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Originally posted by mystic fred mystic fred wrote:

Christians damn Catholics,   Muslims  damn Christians ,   Jews dam Palestinians,  Atheists damn everybody,  Hindus and Bhuddists  quietly get on with it,   everybody damns Satanists, Pagans, Atheists and Scientists. Ermm
 
 
 
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I'm an atheist, I believe that religion was created in ancient times to give hope to and answer the questions of ancient people. As government and leadership were developed, these concepts were twisted into tools of the leaders- religion was used to control the masses, give them reason to kill other masses, and be quiet for the rest of their 20 year lifespan of back-breaking labor, because if you do what you're told and obey your orders, God will give you a nice time in heaven. So, to conclude that little story, I distrust organised religion, because eventually you don't believe in God anymore, you believe in the church, the system, the rituals and whatnot (see Small Gods by Terry Pratchett). There's too many holes in organised religion for me to ever believe in it.


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Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by mystic fred mystic fred wrote:

Christians damn Catholics,   Muslims  damn Christians ,   Jews dam Palestinians,  Atheists damn everybody,  Hindus and Bhuddists  quietly get on with it,   everybody damns Satanists, Pagans, Atheists and Scientists. Ermm
 
 
 
I am reading a book on Humanism.... they don't damn anybody... Hug
 
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 but everybody damns them...Ermm
 
 

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Originally posted by Neurotarkus Neurotarkus wrote:

I'm an atheist, I believe that religion was created in ancient times to give hope to and answer the questions of ancient people. As government and leadership were developed, these concepts were twisted into tools of the leaders- religion was used to control the masses, give them reason to kill other masses, and be quiet for the rest of their 20 year lifespan of back-breaking labor, because if you do what you're told and obey your orders, God will give you a nice time in heaven. So, to conclude that little story, I distrust organised religion, because eventually you don't believe in God anymore, you believe in the church, the system, the rituals and whatnot (see Small Gods by Terry Pratchett). There's too many holes in organised religion for me to ever believe in it.
 
 
This is how Kings and Emperors would get thousands of their subjects to be massacred in huge battles, each faction convincing their soldiers that "God was on their side...",  the people were kept so poor the Army was the better option for a working lad than toiling in  the fields from dawn till dusk, this notion persisted right up until the 20th century and is still prevalent inb some countries today Ermm 
 
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^ thanx for that Ian - very funny man who talks sense LOL
 
 
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Thanks for that one Ian, miss that guy
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When I was twenty years old, I saw this beautifiul white cross in my living room. At first I was shocked. But I realized I had to figure where it was coming from. So I went all around my room looking for the origin of the light (know what i mean). When I couldn't find where the cross was beaming from, I was frustrated and sat back down only to stare at the cross. So I got up and performed the same ritual of looking all around my room for the origin of the light. I remember thinking "I know I'm not going to find out where this cross is coming from" and as I kept moving the curtains and such, I remember thinking "I feel like a monkey" I would look at the cross and say Damn it! I have to get up and do this stupid ritual of looking for the origin of the cross and I know I'm not going to find it. So this goes on and on for about twenty minutes until I am depleted of all logic and fall asleep. And when I wake, I tell myself "youv'e been sleeping" Why? What Happened? Then I remember the cross. I'm standing in my kitchen and turn with absolute joy to look at the cross on my wall, But it's not there. I was pissed supreme,.Not because the cross wasn't there, but because I thought It was there and I anticipated the joy of seeing it So now I'm really feeling wierd: At this point I wish I could "feel like a monkey" and see the cross again. Where did it go?  The moral of this story is that when I saw the cross, I didn't believe it and when I didn't see the cross, I believed it. What A Testimony To My Unbelief. I suppose. Religion today is a preety hard sell, don't ya think?

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Originally posted by halabalushindigus halabalushindigus wrote:

(i refuse to use emoticons)

When I was twenty years old, I saw this beautifiul white cross in my living room. At first I was shocked. But I realized I had to figure where it was coming from. So I went all around my room looking for the origin of the light (know what i mean). When I couldn't find where the cross was beaming from, I was frustrated and sat back down only to stare at the cross. So I got up and performed the same ritual of looking all around my room for the origin of the light. I remember thinking "I know I'm not going to find out where this cross is coming from" and as I kept moving the curtains and such, I remember thinking "I feel like a monkey" I would look at the cross and say Damn it! I have to get up and do this stupid ritual of looking for the origin of the cross and I know I'm not going to find it. So this goes on and on for about twenty minutes until I am depleted of all logic and fall asleep. And when I wake, I tell myself "youv'e been sleeping" Why? What Happened? Then I remember the cross. I'm standing in my kitchen and turn with absolute joy to look at the cross on my wall, But it's not there. I was pissed supreme,.Not because the cross wasn't there, but because I thought It was there and I anticipated the joy of seeing it So now I'm really feeling wierd: At this point I wish I could "feel like a monkey" and see the cross again. Where did it go?  The moral of this story is that when I saw the cross, I didn't believe it and when I didn't see the cross, I believed it. What A Testimony To My Unbelief. I suppose. Religion today is a preety hard sell, don't ya think?
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Anyway, just stick your finger in the light to cast a shadow and then trace the path back from the shadow, through your finger to the source.
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^ depends on who you're trying to sell it to. My parents are both Catholics, but the didn't have me baptized ... they wanted me to decide for myself when I was grown up. Looking back I can only assume that had I gone through intense religious "education" as a child, I probably would be a Theist today. But when most of the other kids were learning about religion in school, I was learning about ethics instead (ironically together with some islamic kids, since there were no islamic classes). Selling religion to me would definitely be much more difficult than selling it to people who grew up with it. Of course those are likely to be religious anyway - but I know some who were raised Christian and then stopped believing, and I guess they would be easier to persuade to come back than people like me to join in the first place.

That's also why I strongly agree with RIchard Dawkins when he says that there is no such thing as religious children ... only children of religious parents.

I'm not going to try to convince religious people to stop believing though ... or to raise their children like my parents raised me. I don't think that would work. But I am critical of personal god religions, and I think that the new atheist movement is important in raising conciousness of the fact that we all should be free to choose whether we want to believe in a deity or not. Freedom of religion must also include Atheism (which is not just another religion, but the rejection of religion).


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The thing that always amuses me about the cross as a symbol of Christianity is that crucifixion is a horrible way to die, if Jesus had been hung, would the noose be adopted as the symbol, if shot to death, the gun?  Lethal injection, syringes, oops sorry, poisonous IVs?

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Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

The thing that always amuses me about the cross as a symbol of Christianity is that crucifixion is a horrible way to die, if Jesus had been hung, would the noose be adopted as the symbol, if shot to death, the gun?  Lethal injection, syringes, oops sorry, poisonous IVs?


what about old age, a wheelchair?
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Crutches if he had just broken a leg...
Good thing he wasn't killed by the Spanish Inquisition, comfy chair...


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http://www.intelligencesquared.com/iq2-video/2009/catholic-church
Stephen Fry and Christopher Hitchens vs The Catholic Church.
An unfair fight, methinks.
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Hitchens really lost my respect, for whatever it's worth, when he embraced the right wingers. I think it was a purely opportunistic move.  Certainly racked up some bulk book sales for it though.


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Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Hitchens really lost my respect, for whatever it's worth, when he embraced the right wingers. I think it was a purely opportunistic move.  Certainly racked up some bulk book sales for it though.


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Originally posted by KoS KoS wrote:

http://www.intelligencesquared.com/iq2-video/2009/catholic-church
Stephen Fry and Christopher Hitchens vs The Catholic Church.
An unfair fight, methinks.
 
I didn't know what you meant when I read this 'Surely Stephen can out manouevre the Catholic Church then I saw the name Anne Widdicombe Dead and I realise the pure terror of the situation - Shocked  Will Stephen survive?
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Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Hitchens really lost my respect, for whatever it's worth, when he embraced the right wingers. I think it was a purely opportunistic move.  Certainly racked up some bulk book sales for it though.


He never embraced the right-wingers. He agreed with the Iraq war. That's about it. Haven't you seen the interviews of him talking about how stupid Palin is?

You know, some people always assume that a person is a Right-wing crazy simply because they don't agree with Liberals 100% of the time. They don't seem to grasp the concept of individuality and personal choice. I knew folks like that existed on here, but never figured you to be one of them.
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