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MikeEnRegalia 
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21598 |
 Posted: December 21 2006 at 05:51 |
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*Sigh* ... you always lash out and deeply hurt people and then later say you don't mean it. Well - it's not funny today, and it wasn't funny a year ago. You'll probably laugh at this post and make fun of it too, or say that I can't take a joke. Peter, please simply admit that you really think that prog metal fans are idiots (or as you put it "less intelligent than you"), and stop pretending that you're only joking. BTW: Happy christmas!  Edited by MikeEnRegalia - December 21 2006 at 05:52 |
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Easy Livin
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Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: February 21 2004 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 15585 |
Posted: December 21 2006 at 06:05 |
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Time to lighten up guys, goodwill to all men, 'tis the season to be jolly, and all that.
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Chris H
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Joined: October 08 2006 Location: Charlotte, NC Status: Offline Points: 8191 |
Posted: December 21 2006 at 19:30 |
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Thank you Mike, I fully agree. Some people need to know where their brand of tasteless comedy is not welcome.
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1800iareyay
Prog Reviewer
Joined: November 18 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2492 |
Posted: December 21 2006 at 19:45 |
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I tend to give out too many five star reviews, but I'm new and I'm reviewing the album that I know by heart first. But when I rate a five star, or any star, album, I sum up the tracks and/or how the album as a whole strikes me. If it's one of my favorites, I write review mainly to convince myself whether or not its a five star. It helps me weed out my favorites from true classics. For instance, Pink Floyd's Animals is one of my favorite releases, but I gave it four stars (or I would if it would stop saying that I've already posted a review for it). I do read other reviews before I post. I give another listen to the album I'm reviewing right before I write the review, and others' reviews can point you where to look, though I still listen to the whole thing. |
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Chus
Prog Reviewer
Joined: October 16 2006 Location: Venezuela Status: Offline Points: 1991 |
Posted: December 21 2006 at 19:58 |
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Why is it not welcome?? because you say so?... everyone is exposed to intervene in the subject, just because one guy dared to disagree with you means that he's sabotaging?? if you ask me you're the one who's acting harsh here, saying that there's a sort of "conspiracy" here... I'm sorry but those bands you mentioned, as Peter said, are popular, and not you, nor I, can change that fact; if they want to give 5-stars review is their business, not because of some stupid conspiracy to bring those bands to the top 20 or something (which is very stupid, no one should care for the top 20 in the first place)... everyone just happens to have their opinion and if their own is the same as the rest, then let them say it anyway. EDIT: Peter came out a bit harsh too... but he clearly says he's joking, so there's no reason to get all worked up with his game Edited by Chus - December 21 2006 at 20:04 |
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Chris H
Prog Reviewer
Joined: October 08 2006 Location: Charlotte, NC Status: Offline Points: 8191 |
Posted: December 21 2006 at 20:58 |
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Ok then I guess I should clarify things here. First off, about my original post, I am aware of the popularity of the bands but I was just using them as examples because they are the biggest examples of this (in my opinion). I don't have a problem with people rating these album five stars, I just would like people to have actually justifiable reasons, not just two sentences saying "it was a masterpiece" or "i liked every song". And about the whole "Top 20 conspiracy" you mentioned, I would prefer this site not even have a top 20 just for the fact people will be compelled to rate the favorite albums higher just to see it succeed, with no regards to the musical content.
And on the other hand, I don't believe I'm the one acting harsh here, I was just trying to keep Peter's comments under control.
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Chus
Prog Reviewer
Joined: October 16 2006 Location: Venezuela Status: Offline Points: 1991 |
Posted: December 21 2006 at 22:13 |
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I didn't see at all harshness in Peter's words (other than the usual DT jokes  , which I understand why it's offending to some people)... but anyway, why create such a controversy over such meaningless things??... well, back to topic...
about your complain: the fact remains that if they want to see their favourite album succeed, it's simply because IT IS their favourite album!! ... in the end people are being honest about it (I can't conceive a person writting a review without even listening to the album... even so, it's their business after all) also, there are guidelines for writting reviews (concerning minimum number of characters and such) so if there's a person who only writes things like "it's a great album, buy it", that review should be, according to the guidelines, deleted... but believe me, it is a very exhausting task to clean up all review pages, but they should be working on it  .
But I really wouldn't worry much about that if I were you If you have an example of these reviews you should show them to Easy Livin MERRY CHRISTMAS  Edited by Chus - December 21 2006 at 22:17 |
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MikeEnRegalia
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21598 |
Posted: December 22 2006 at 08:09 |
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I'm sorry if my response came out a little bit harsh too ... but I'd like to stand by it. I'm not deeply offended by Peter's post, and I hope that he's not offended by my answer, but PM bashers should not get away with the constant criticism just by adding an ironic/joking touch.
Think about it: When do PM fans ever bash other genres? I may have made some negative comments about Krautrock, but only in threads about the genre, where people were asking about my opinion. And of course negative comments are not bad per se, but if they also question the intellectual capabilities of the fans of the genre, or imply that it's immature and not suitable for grown up people, it *is* offensive IMO. |
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Snow Dog
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 23 2005 Location: Caerdydd Status: Offline Points: 32995 |
Posted: December 22 2006 at 08:16 |
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I agree with Mike here...after all true feelings are often disguised as jest. |
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eugene
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Joined: May 30 2005 Location: Ukraine Status: Offline Points: 2703 |
Posted: December 22 2006 at 09:08 |
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so true so true so true
i thought about it for a very long time - just thought about it - that' s it
i am blatant prog-metal fan just because this is best thing that ever happened to me - metal - i love metal
and, yes, i never ever bashed any other genre, how could i - i do not know any other genre, do they really exist? even if they do - who the hell needs them...
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look, people, above is just parody on my neighbour next door - very nice chap actually - he is getting all the metal, which I want to get rid of, from me.
He really knows very little else in music apart from metal and prog-metal, and not because he's stupid - he is just young boy, and metal is his preference at the current stage of his development. Apart from music he knows a lot of things and it's normally very nice talking to him. I'm often joking with him in the manner close to what Peter Rideout tells you here, and believe me, there is nothing diminishing or offensive in these jokes, it's more like a father making a bit of mockery of his son. I really don't think it's meant to hurt your feelings. I also have friends of my age who are fans of metal, and we also joking with each other about our musical "idols" and no one get hurt.
Anyway, Christmas is on the way, wonderful time of replete laziness and relaxation, enjoy your Holidays Season. Best wishes to you all!!!
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Peter
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: January 31 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 9669 |
Posted: December 22 2006 at 09:14 |
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No Mike, I WON'T admit that, because it's simply not true.
How could I, a rational, adequately-intelligent person, actually believe that all fans of a certain form of music are "idiots?" That's just silly.
Beyond the fine, obviously smart (and often funny/good-humoured) metal fans I encounter & exchange PMs & banter with here, I teach, you know -- I am exposed to intelligent young metal fans all of the time.
I was even listening to (and thoroughly enjoying) Crimson's Power to Believe yesterday, and thinking "wow, this is almost metal!" I have other music (Steve Unruh, Steve Morse, Rush, etc.) with some strong metal elements in it, and I like it very much. More than once, I have taken pains to post, in a spirit of fairness and honesty, that while I don't care for prog metal overall, I can see why it's called that, why it's here, and why it should remain here. Have you honestly never read such words from me?
 You really think my above silly, tongue-in-cheek post was "lashing out?"
Why don't YOU just admit that you can't take ANY teasing on this subject (at least not from me), and that you will always take any of my joking references to metal in a deeply personal fashion?I will NOT be censored by you as to what I can say here (along those lines). I make it very clear that I'm joking (note the HUGE winking emoticon, above), and if not, where is the huge righteous outcry from all the other incensed metal fans? Where are Bryan, Cyggie, Tricky, OG and Progto on this? No, it's always you.
 Your constant taking of personal offense at (parts of) posts not addressed to you, and now implying that I've somehow sullied your entire Christmas is rather wearying, and overdone. I am starting to think that you really don't have a detectable sense of humour, and have a real chip on your shoulder re your tastes in "your" music. Re your "it wasn't funny a year ago," I have actually been here for twice that long, and more (well before you joined) and have been writing such posts as my above one all along. Yet metal fans still join here, and happily remain. Hmmmm. Perhaps most people really DO believe me when I say I'm joking?? (Or at least they have thicker skin -- it's just MUSIC, after all.)
Please Mike, lighten up -- make fun of my lack of hair, my fondness for some country music, or something.
Alternately, just ignore my posts -- others have attacked metal's presence here in no uncertain, non-humourous terms, in the recent past, and you have not responded to their posts, I noticed.
 I don't recall ever so personally questioning your character here, as you do mine (at least, until now), but you have publicly called mine into question, so I must respond.
Not much fun, is it?
 In any case, a Merry Chistmas to you, too. I do wish we could manage to get along better!
 Sincerely,
Peter Rideout Edited by Peter Rideout - December 22 2006 at 09:21 |
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
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progismylife
Forum Senior Member
Joined: October 19 2006 Location: ibreathehelium Status: Offline Points: 15535 |
Posted: December 22 2006 at 09:19 |
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Back on topic:
I think that the people who write the one star reviews are trying to force their opinions on other people, and thats not cool man. I wonder if they see any good things in the albums they bash. I mean I didn't like Moving Pictures but I gave it a 3 out of 5 stars because I recognise the brilliance of Rush. |
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martinn
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Joined: October 09 2006 Location: Argentina Status: Offline Points: 360 |
Posted: December 22 2006 at 09:21 |
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@Peter
Try using Mike's signatures, I think you will get along so much better.. |
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eugene
Forum Senior Member
Joined: May 30 2005 Location: Ukraine Status: Offline Points: 2703 |
Posted: December 22 2006 at 09:27 |
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I think that the people who write a review with any rating are trying to impose their opinion on other people, and that's very cool, man, as long as there are people who can be easily forced to accept and adopt same.
You are free to give any rating to any album, and so are the others. As long as "one star" rating exists, it should be used to serve it's purpose.
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progismylife
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Joined: October 19 2006 Location: ibreathehelium Status: Offline Points: 15535 |
Posted: December 22 2006 at 09:30 |
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Well I ,uh, hmmm. Good point. |
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Peter
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: January 31 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 9669 |
Posted: December 22 2006 at 09:34 |
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Well, to hell with it -- that's sure put a damper on my day.
I really do think that a sense of humour is becoming steadily rarer here, and that too many otherwise wonderful people take music MUCH too seriously. I suppose, to appease the over-sensitive few, I should simply NEVER mention metal again.
(I'll herewith give that a go -- my Christmas gift to Mike. I'll be watching though, for a united outcry from all of the metal fans whenever someone else dares to say anything -- joking or not -- at metal's expense.)
ho
ho
ho.
PS: I still LOVE that Spinal Tap Christmas song! And the Metallica/TSO one....
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
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Peter
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: January 31 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 9669 |
Posted: December 22 2006 at 09:42 |
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
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Peter
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: January 31 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 9669 |
Posted: December 22 2006 at 09:48 |
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That's it from me -- peace to all.
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
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MikeEnRegalia
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21598 |
Posted: December 22 2006 at 13:07 |
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It's not so much what you said about metal. You said that people who like metal are less intelligent than you ... you might as well have said "you're idiots", it's essentially the same thing, even if you don't mean it it's how it comes across. I guess I'll never understand why you have to add things like that to your comments about that genre. Well, I knew that would "put a damper" on your day ... but your post had that effect on me too. Of course I'd rather have a situation where we're both happy rather than us both feeling bad ...  |
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Chris H
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Joined: October 08 2006 Location: Charlotte, NC Status: Offline Points: 8191 |
Posted: December 22 2006 at 17:09 |
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Okay since this is my post, I'm gonna have to play father here but it seems kind of weird because im newer to the site by two years and younger by over twenty. =] So yeah, just so we can all stay on good terms, why don't we just try and keep negative opinons inside our heads? Personally, I am not the biggest fan of progressive-metal either, but I'm not going to call them idiots. MikeEnRegalia is probably one of the most informed member I have noticed on this site. So lets only voice our positive non-musical opinons here please, and have a safe and happy holidays guys!
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