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Originally posted by rileydog22 rileydog22 wrote:

Wasn't Dedicated to You but You Weren't Listening a Soft Machine song? 


Yes it was.

It was written by Hugh Hopper.

However, Robert Wyatt guests on The Keith Tippett Group's album Dedicated to You, But You Weren't Listening and of course, Tippett guested on King Crimson and Soft Machine albums and live performances.

Tippett was on Lizard, for example.

Tippett's project Centipede features all of Soft Machine and was produced by Robert Fripp and also featured Mel Collins I think... or did it?  I forget... but I think Lyn Dobson was on it and he's guested with Krimson.

So Tippett was just giving a nod to his friends in Soft Machine.

Oh and Elton Dean was also a guest on it.
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Originally posted by rileydog22 rileydog22 wrote:

Wasn't Dedicated to You but You Weren't Listening a Soft Machine song? 
 
It was, and the album features a stellar line up of (at the time) past, present and future Soft Machine members. I haven't heard it in yonks, though, and I can't remember if a version of the Soft Machine song is actually on the album or not.
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Originally posted by Syzygy Syzygy wrote:

Originally posted by rileydog22 rileydog22 wrote:

Wasn't Dedicated to You but You Weren't Listening a Soft Machine song? 
 
It was, and the album features a stellar line up of (at the time) past, present and future Soft Machine members. I haven't heard it in yonks, though, and I can't remember if a version of the Soft Machine song is actually on the album or not.


There's a 30 second version of Dedicated on there, without any vocals, if memory serves.

I have The Keith Tippett Group's first album too and it's just as excellent.

For anyone interested in Nucleus, you should all try and listen to some Graham Collier Sextet, which features John Marshall, Karl Jenkins and a few others.


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Just like Soft Machine.  

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anybody have any commentaries on some of the earliest avant-garde progressive jazz musicians from Germany?
Like Rolf Kuhh, Peter Trunk, Peter Herbolzheimer, Dieter Reith, Albert Mangelsdorff, etc?
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I do not think there is any such thing as "Bad RIO/Avant prog"......

you may not like their style, but they are in no way BAD!


and what is with all the Thinking Plague dislike?  they are one of my faves!

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Originally posted by avalanchemaster avalanchemaster wrote:

I do not think there is any such thing as "Bad RIO/Avant prog"......

you may not like their style, but they are in no way BAD!


and what is with all the Thinking Plague dislike?  they are one of my faves!


I agree with that sentiment, though I haven't heard all RIO/Avant Prog, of course.

I need to hear Thinking Plague; I haven't required any of their stuff yet.
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Originally posted by avalanchemaster avalanchemaster wrote:

I do not think there is any such thing as "Bad RIO/Avant prog"......

you may not like their style, but they are in no way BAD!


and what is with all the Thinking Plague dislike?  they are one of my faves!


Why don't I like Thinking Plague?  Like you said, I just don't like their style. 

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Has anyone heard Zs' new EP? I'm interested and it's super cheap on eMusic.
 
What about Circulations by Pierre-yves Macé? I wasn't particularly impressed by his debut on Tzadik on my first listen, but I hear that one is better.
Originally posted by avalanchemaster avalanchemaster wrote:

I do not think there is any such thing as "Bad RIO/Avant prog"......

you may not like their style, but they are in no way BAD!


and what is with all the Thinking Plague dislike?  they are one of my faves!
They're too repetitive and I find the writing more than a bit dull. It's like they're trying to write pop/rock, but are making everything dissonant instead of consonant.


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Originally posted by DataBase DataBase wrote:

anybody have any commentaries on some of the earliest avant-garde progressive jazz musicians from Germany?
Like Rolf Kuhh, Peter Trunk, Peter Herbolzheimer, Dieter Reith, Albert Mangelsdorff, etc?
 
 I think you mean Rolf Kühn , brother of Joachim (who is more known), both bros studied classical piano, Rolf switched then  to Clarinet & sax. Both played mainstream Jazz ,Free Jazz  (Rolf  played among others with with  Albert Mangelsdorff) and Jazz rock
 
Peter Trunk was an underrated double bassplayer  (he is considered by many as the best German DB player), who started with postbop before moving into Free Jazz playing among others with Manfred Schoof and the other artists you mentioned
 
Albert Mangelsdorff is the most famous German trombone player. he started after the war playing in mainstream  big bands, moved then into Free Jazz among others with Alexander  Schlippenbach's Globe Unity Orchestra and Peter Brötzmann and took part also in the United Jazz and Rock Ensemble
 
Peter Herbolzheimer (trombone & arranger) is mainly known for  his Rhythm Combination and Brass (RB&C), which he formed in 1966 , good mainstream big band jazz.
 
Dieter Reith (piano and organ) played  in the mainstream field like Herbolzheimer with whom  he played a lot
 
 
BTW Han Bennink and Peter Brötzmann are far more into AvantGarde Jazz
 
 
 
 
 
 


Edited by Alucard - September 11 2008 at 07:59
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Han Bennink happens to be the brother of saxophonist Peter Bennink, who ran workshops in Arnhem in the 1980s.  Peter is briefly mentioned in the Nine Tobs biography (courtesy of Han Buhrs).

Steering away from Germany and focusing on the Netherlands again, I thoroughly recommend any avant-jazz fans check out The Willem Breuker Kollektief. Big%20smileThumbs%20Up


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Originally posted by James James wrote:


Steering away from Germany and focusing on the Netherlands again, I thoroughly recommend any avant-jazz fans check out The Willem Breuker Kollektief. Big%20smileThumbs%20Up


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Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Has anyone heard Zs' new EP? I'm interested and it's super cheap on eMusic.
 
What about Circulations by Pierre-yves Macé? I wasn't particularly impressed by his debut on Tzadik on my first listen, but I hear that one is better.
Originally posted by avalanchemaster avalanchemaster wrote:

I do not think there is any such thing as "Bad RIO/Avant prog"......

you may not like their style, but they are in no way BAD!


and what is with all the Thinking Plague dislike?  they are one of my faves!
They're too repetitive and I find the writing more than a bit dull. It's like they're trying to write pop/rock, but are making everything dissonant instead of consonant.


your ears are broken....Big%20smile

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Kultivator - Barndomens Stigar is excellent and highly recommended, though I think it's more Canterbury than Zeuhl.  Available in new digipak from Wayside but a bit pricey at $28.
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Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

Kultivator - Barndomens Stigar is excellent and highly recommended, though I think it's more Canterbury than Zeuhl.  Available in new digipak from Wayside but a bit pricey at $28.


Alas, I'm still waiting for my current Wayside order... it's been a while... so it's rather premature to make another one yet. Confused

However, this will go on my next order. Big%20smile

And I agree, it's more Canterbury orientated but doe shave a Zeuhl influence in places.
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Originally posted by James James wrote:

Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

Kultivator - Barndomens Stigar is excellent and highly recommended, though I think it's more Canterbury than Zeuhl.  Available in new digipak from Wayside but a bit pricey at $28.

Alas, I'm still waiting for my current Wayside order... it's been a while... so it's rather premature to make another one yet. Confused

However, this will go on my next order. Big%20smile

And I agree, it's more Canterbury orientated but doe shave a Zeuhl influence in places.

That sounds lovely.  I just got word that my order shipped, so hopefully this should be with me soon... Smile
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Originally posted by song_of_copper song_of_copper wrote:

Originally posted by James James wrote:

Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

Kultivator - Barndomens Stigar is excellent and highly recommended, though I think it's more Canterbury than Zeuhl.  Available in new digipak from Wayside but a bit pricey at $28.

Alas, I'm still waiting for my current Wayside order... it's been a while... so it's rather premature to make another one yet. Confused

However, this will go on my next order. Big%20smile

And I agree, it's more Canterbury orientated but doe shave a Zeuhl influence in places.

That sounds lovely.  I just got word that my order shipped, so hopefully this should be with me soon... Smile


If you're enjoying National Health you will definitely like Kultivator.  Tongue
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Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

If you're enjoying National Health you will definitely like Kultivator.  Tongue

Well, so far I like it, although not as much as Hatfield and the North.  But I only have the first album of National Health so far. Smile  Early days...
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Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Has anyone heard Zs' new EP? I'm interested and it's super cheap on eMusic.
 
What about Circulations by Pierre-yves Macé? I wasn't particularly impressed by his debut on Tzadik on my first listen, but I hear that one is better.
Originally posted by avalanchemaster avalanchemaster wrote:

I do not think there is any such thing as "Bad RIO/Avant prog"......

you may not like their style, but they are in no way BAD!


and what is with all the Thinking Plague dislike?  they are one of my faves!
They're too repetitive and I find the writing more than a bit dull. It's like they're trying to write pop/rock, but are making everything dissonant instead of consonant.
 
I couldn't have put it better myself.Of course, it's all a matter of personal taste...
'Like so many of you
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to the already rich among us...'

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