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Certif1ed
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Posted: October 24 2008 at 17:13 |
Did someone just fart?
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The important thing is not to stop questioning.
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Visitor13
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Posted: October 24 2008 at 17:26 |
Avantgardehead wrote:
I definitely wouldn't mind Sonic Youth and shoegaze being here!! I'd actually have something to do other than troll and make smart-aleck comments.
I might actually... like this site... again...!
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Hey Dianne, welcome back! I trust you've had a good time away from the site, gazing at shoes.
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Jonny Two Shoes
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Posted: October 24 2008 at 19:07 |
On a further note....apologies to the mods.....passion took over reasoning :)
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Atavachron
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Posted: October 24 2008 at 19:34 |
^ I probably should let your last post go but I won't-- Insulting young people? Not understanding why the Beatles are here and then screaming about it? We should get our heads out of our asses? No, no, no, that won't do at all.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: October 25 2008 at 03:04 |
Jonny Two Shoes wrote:
The exclusion of bands such as Stratovarius and the flaming of an awesome Evergrey album...I really think some of you need to get your heads straight.
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I really like Evergrey, but you have to admit that their music has been getting less progressive with each release ... Torn and Monday Morning Apocalypse are only a shadow of their former music, as far as the progressiveness is concerned. Mind you: That doesn't necessarily mean that the new albums are bad ... there is not fixed relationship between progressiveness and quality, at least not for me.
Why not some more praise for the likes of David Bowie? and yet you get some guys who try to get the likes of Metallica in here without inclusion of more deserving bands.
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Bowie was added months before Metallica ... what's your point?
The Beatles???????????????????????? FFS! and metallica wish they were prog! not to say they are bad...but come on lets try exclude the popular bullSh** just because you love 'em.
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Metallica were not excactly a popular band during the 80s ... of course they were praised in metal magazines, but their mainstream popularity essentially began with the Black Album. In any case, popularity or personal preference has nothing to do with whether their music contained progressive elements or not. However, popularity and personal preference may help to speed up the addition process, because it simply means that the band gets suggested more often and it is more likely that those who make the decision have access to the music and know it well enough.
*sigh....total lack of what to say here :( feelings beyond words.
However to all who agree with this sentiment I give you my utmost respect. Peace :) |
And all others can go to hell? Why are you so angry?
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Windhawk
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Posted: October 25 2008 at 03:52 |
Oh my - Monday Morning Apocalypse was my first meeting with Evergrey, and one of the first CDs I reviewed when I started writing for prog4you a couple of years ago.
Somehow I was never tempted to check out any of their other stuff after going through that particular artistic doomsday...
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: October 25 2008 at 09:48 |
^ not the best album for "first contact". I'd recommend Recreation Day!
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aapatsos
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Posted: October 25 2008 at 13:01 |
^ I'd recommend Solitude • Dominance • Tragedy (1999)and The Dark Discovery (1998)instead... (hope you don't mind)
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The Prognaut
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Posted: October 26 2008 at 22:32 |
I'm a headbanger alright, but I'm aware the Frisco band ain't got nothing to do in the depths of the Archives, that's for sure.
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break the circle
reset my head
wake the sleepwalker
and i'll wake the dead
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Certif1ed
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Posted: October 27 2008 at 03:26 |
^Wow, I really understand the deep thought and appreciate the constructive criticism you've put into your post - most befitting of a collaborator.
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The important thing is not to stop questioning.
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: October 27 2008 at 04:26 |
Cloud Zero wrote:
I'm a headbanger alright, but I'm aware the Frisco band ain't got nothing to do in the depths of the Archives, that's for sure.
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Oh oh.....
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Atavachron
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Posted: October 27 2008 at 04:27 |
"Frisco" ? ..please
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Windhawk
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Posted: October 27 2008 at 04:55 |
It's kinda funny in a sad way to see some of the reactions coming here.
For about a month there was a thread going discussing this band's addition, where arguments were called for from both sides to get as fair a verdict and as good grounds as possible for evaluation.
Where were the people complaining now when this went on?
And even after the addition when people complain in here, the line of reasoning rarely ventures beyond the lines of "Metallica aren't progressive because I think so", "It's obvious that Metallica aren't progressive" od the classic "they don't belong here".
As when the possible addition was first discussed, there are no arguments, just statements.
Is it really that hard to find a line of reasoning and to actually analyze a little to be able to post some opinions based on a more factual foundation - rather than throwing knee jerk reactions around?
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: October 27 2008 at 05:02 |
^This whole thread was a bad idea (no offense intended to original poster). It was obvious straight away where this thread would lead. Someone was banned over this thread and we have the same unsubstantiated arguments happening again and again.. just a vicious cycle really. It's probably just best people leave their post "yes, there were a great/soso/bad inclusion" to the site, rather than stirring up more flames and arguing over their perceived lack of progressiveness.
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Chris S
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Posted: October 27 2008 at 05:26 |
Windhawk wrote:
It's kinda funny in a sad way to see some of the reactions coming here.
For about a month there was a thread going discussing this band's addition, where arguments were called for from both sides to get as fair a verdict and as good grounds as possible for evaluation.
Where were the people complaining now when this went on?
And even after the addition when people complain in here, the line of reasoning rarely ventures beyond the lines of "Metallica aren't progressive because I think so", "It's obvious that Metallica aren't progressive" od the classic "they don't belong here".
As when the possible addition was first discussed, there are no arguments, just statements.
Is it really that hard to find a line of reasoning and to actually analyze a little to be able to post some opinions based on a more factual foundation - rather than throwing knee jerk reactions around?
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Comes with " post controversial addition territory" Olav The thread is almost frazzled and the circle long complete. The reviews in the main have been very good too I might add.
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Windhawk
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Posted: October 27 2008 at 06:24 |
Yeah, good reviews what I have seen - without the site ever being in danger of turning into metallicareviews.com too
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Atavachron
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Posted: October 27 2008 at 06:38 |
would of been nice if Steeleye Span got the same sort of positive reviews
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Avantgardehead
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Posted: October 27 2008 at 14:52 |
I too am glad to see that the site hasn't turned into MetallicaArchives with 40 topics a day on how great Metallica is and so forth. I've realized that this is probably just another passing fad like when everyone wanted to add hundreds of jazz artists here oh so long ago.
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russellk
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Posted: October 27 2008 at 15:04 |
Not all Metallica reviews have been positive :)
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The Prognaut
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Posted: October 27 2008 at 15:15 |
Certif1ed wrote:
^Wow, I really understand the deep thought and appreciate the constructive criticism you've put into your post - most befitting of a collaborator. |
Don't get me wrong Cert. It's not only about splattering a flaming comment on the thread to deeply explain our likes or dislikes upon Metallica based on retrospectives, facts or grounds. Think it's all about respectable opinions wheter they're possitive or negative and never offensive.
I love the crunch and vicious harshness of Metallica, but to me they don't belong here. I believe there's a place for them within the warps of heavy metal or whatever you wanna call it. They ain't prog, that's for sure.
Before performing my part of Collab in the PA, I'm like many other around here, a voice and an opinion. The tag I'm entitled to, means nothing to a personal matter of perspective. And you should now better than that for all the seniority over the PA that back you up. So I rather believe that with your comment you were just being moronic instead of sarcastic!
Cheers amigo!
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break the circle
reset my head
wake the sleepwalker
and i'll wake the dead
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