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    Posted: September 24 2006 at 11:06
This thread is inspired by another recent one on the samples in this site. But I'm not asking about which sample is the best. The question is -- are the samples representative?
 
I don't know anything about the restrictions and limitations on samples listed in PA, don't know anything about the policy of the site, what is possible and what is not, and why just those samples are chosen, and not others. I'm not saying there should be more samples / less samples / other samples... I'm speaking about what we have currently, and asking -- do these samples really represent the groups/artists, do they give a sufficient picture (or information) about the groups/artists?
 
Of course, there is any sense to speak mostly of the groups with at least four-five samples, to get any information about them. I expect the answers from the people who are acquainted with all (or most) of the groups/artists albums.
 
As an example, I wanted to know whether the Rush samples are representative. But don't answer only about Rush, please. Speak about all the groups you know well.
 
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Points: 2099 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2006 at 11:18
Yea, sme of the mp3 samples on PA are quite oblique. 
 
Usually, if I am investogtaing a ne band I check if Amazon is carrying the album in question then listen to the mp3 from PA from the album. 
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Points: 28057 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2006 at 11:30
The single sample for Tangerine Dream is completely off the mark. Confused
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Points: 4828 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2006 at 11:32
There should be one good sample from all clearly different phases of the band:
F.ex. two for TASAVALLAN PRESIDENTTI, one for the line-up with FRANK ROBSON, and one from the line-up with EERO RAITTINEN.
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The only Deep Purple sample is not really representative.
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Points: 24429 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2006 at 11:33
As regards Rush, probably yes, as there are samples from all the major 'eras' of the band's output. Same applies, for instance, to King Crimson, Genesis and Yes - but these are very well-known bands. Lesser-known bands are obviously not as well-represented, and many have no samples available at all.

However, I've noticed that a very well-known band like Deep Purple has only one sample, and from one of the MK1 albums. Now, it is true most of DP's later output is not considered prog (though of course I don't subscribe to this point of view), but as the band is present here with ALL its albums, it might have been a good idea to have more samples available, at least of the proggier tracks like "Child in Time".
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Points: 4828 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2006 at 11:38
Originally posted by proglil49 proglil49 wrote:

The only Deep Purple sample is not really representative.
I think it represents line-up 1 well, but there should be a sample from their 70's hard rock days too.

Edited by Eetu Pellonpää - September 24 2006 at 11:38
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Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

The single sample for Tangerine Dream is completely off the mark. Confused

True, it doesn't really give a good picture of their music. I suggest something from Phaedra.
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Points: 24429 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2006 at 15:14
Originally posted by Eetu Pellonpää Eetu Pellonpää wrote:

Originally posted by proglil49 proglil49 wrote:

The only Deep Purple sample is not really representative.
I think it represents line-up 1 well, but there should be a sample from their 70's hard rock days too.


I posted my answer after proglil49's Cry... I think that one sample is insufficient for such an influential band. As I have already said, some of the proggier tracks could be chosen, such as "Child in Time" or "Space Truckin", or even "Perfect Strangers"(which has been covered by the ubiquitous DT).
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Eloy should defenatly have samples from "Floating", "Inside" and "Ra". To give a wide picture of their music.
And yes, tangerine dream should really have something from their golden years in the mid 70's.
 
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Points: 11979 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2006 at 16:02
Originally posted by Ghost Rider Ghost Rider wrote:


Originally posted by Eetu Pellonpää Eetu Pellonpää wrote:

Originally posted by proglil49 proglil49 wrote:

The only Deep Purple sample is not really representative.
I think it represents line-up 1 well, but there should be a sample from their 70's hard rock days too.
I posted my answer after proglil49's ... I think that one sample is insufficient for such an influential band. As I have already said, some of the proggier tracks could be chosen, such as "Child in Time" or "Space Truckin", or even "Perfect Strangers"(which has been covered by the ubiquitous DT).


You must be blind:

http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_BAND.asp?band_id=1969
     
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Points: 3497 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2006 at 16:06
Very sadly... I have to say two things:
 
a) this thread has been moved to the "Improving suggestions" section, whereas its purpose wasn't any improvement;
 
and b) [logically connected with a)] the question wasn't "what the samples should be?", but "are the existent samples sufficiently representative for the corresponding groups?".
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Points: 11979 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2006 at 16:06
Originally posted by Vompatti Vompatti wrote:


Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

The single sample for Tangerine Dream is completely off the mark.
True, it doesn't really give a good picture of their music. I suggest something from Phaedra.

You guys really need glasses:
http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_BAND.asp?band_id=1295

     
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Points: 24429 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2006 at 16:06
You put it there today, because a few hours ago I checked and there was only "Anthem"...Wink
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Points: 3497 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2006 at 16:11
Still...
 
Originally posted by Fassbinder Fassbinder wrote:

Very sadly... I have to say two things:
 
a) this thread has been moved to the "Improving suggestions" section, whereas its purpose wasn't any improvement;
 
and b) [logically connected with a)] the question wasn't "what the samples should be?", but "are the existent samples sufficiently representative for the corresponding groups?".
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Points: 11979 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2006 at 16:15
Originally posted by Abstrakt Abstrakt wrote:

Eloy should defenatly have samples from "Floating", "Inside" and "Ra". To give a wide picture of their music.
And yes, tangerine dream should really have something from their golden years in the mid 70's.

 

    
http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_BAND.asp?band_id=95
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Points: 11979 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2006 at 16:16
Originally posted by Fassbinder Fassbinder wrote:

Still...

 

Originally posted by Fassbinder Fassbinder wrote:

Very sadly... I have to say two things:
 

a) this thread has been moved to the "Improving suggestions" section, whereas its purpose wasn't any improvement;

 

and b) [logically connected with a)] the question wasn't "what the samples should be?", but "are the existent samples sufficiently representative for the corresponding groups?".


well surely if the answer was (and it certainly seems to be) "no",then an improvement would be required....
    
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Points: 3497 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2006 at 16:26
I just wanted to know, for example, whether (in general) Rush sound like their samples. If "yes", then I can continue to live peacefully without them as I wasn't impressed by the samples. If "no", then the story is different. The same is right about any other band.
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Points: 11979 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2006 at 16:40
The samples of Rush are fairly representative but we cant just go putting a "Best Of" up or that would really be pushing our luck.

Next time try this:

"I have been listening to the tracks on the Rush page and was fairly unimpressed.Are these tracks representative of Rush's output,if so I can give them a miss."

I find it is easier to be understood if you just say what you are thinking instead of beating about the bush...
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Points: 46301 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2006 at 16:42
Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

The single sample for Tangerine Dream is completely off the mark. Confused


There are three.
And there are all quite fine "indications". Wink
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