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sydbarrett2010
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Hi, I'm hoping to get an answer on where to start with Gong, are they really that big a deal? I just listened to Radio Gnome Invisible from Flying Teapot and I'm, well not impressed (not that I didn't like it), but I guess I know what's going on with them. Recommendations would be appreciated.
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^ I'd start with the Downwind album by Pierre Moerlen's Gong, which is just upwind of Daevid Allen's Gong and downwind of Gilli Smythe's Mother Gong - or vice versa.
The Gong Family Albums 1970: Daevid Allen's Gong - Magick Brother - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzA_xQv6oHwIUpm6O0YaJUrT 1971: Daevid Allen's Gong - Camembert Electrique - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzCPwOsH5kkDBkJzDVxf5lHa 1972: Daevid Allen's Gong - Continental Circus (soundtrack) - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzDmGde7hOFRW315yc6rLOMM 1973: Daevid Allen's Gong - Flying Teapot - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzCkdxUoZ65KgEAxUk0AuSmC 1973: Daevid Allen's Gong - Angel's Egg - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzCPZ-35b9RZgaAcPp5SW2ga 1973: Daevid Allen's Gong - Live at the Bataclan - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzAQ_ArLxqTzKrsFluPVIl4z 1974: Daevid Allen's Gong - You - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzAgcgJztrOoWj1ujCdfTVZv 1974: Daevid Allen's Gong - Live at Sheffield - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzA-OaGx0F5F_t46dq71oRMh 1975: Daevid Allen's Gong - Live in Sherwood Forest - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzA1W1xYb31oFAcc1tIjrdmF 1975: Shamal Gong - Shamal - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzCkall70oCJKXfPG4mjdJ3K 1976: Pierre Moerlen's Gong - Gazeuse! - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzCZijlNll9ZUqIi4A2w7bzG 1977: Daevid Allen's Gong - Gong Live, Etc - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzDurkqIqqbu0GC6M_EkjW8i 1977: Planet Gong - Live Floating Anarchy - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzCbMAuNSLQTxaQoMabLqDir 1978: Pierre Moerlen's Gong - Expresso II - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzBlHQDu87X3XUHFOiVhxkq5 1979: Pierre Moerlen's Gong - Downwind - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzB4Aa4nRT4SkEZTCAK28ce_ 1979: Pierre Moerlen's Gong - Time is the Key - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzDKyY8Tj8kbtO3YxsJsPhjR 1979: Mother Gong - Fairy Tales - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzCbP5vtHK6iE1Bnt3-EjNtB 1980: Pierre Moerlen's Gong - Live - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzDeWx1Q13uEBf0kXNea2f7a 1980: New York Gong - About Time - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzBybxE1JUqOSWAf3rzHq-0f 1981: Pierre Moerlen's Gong - Leave It Open - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzBNk-N3NgZmKDlgg--pOnJt 1981: Mother Gong - Robot Woman - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzCikBuMHjMepmwI0WquoGNw 1982: Mother Gong - Robot Woman 2 - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzBELblhQ-tezORVJyRIsMMg 1986: Pierre Moerlen's Gong - Breakthrough - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzAfRRLH8XIq-qV1gHzOVLVi 1988: Pierre Moerlen's Gong - Second Wind - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzAdEC3MhYiLM8hVUUkymOB5 1988: Pierre Moerlen's Gong - Full Circle Live - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzBzvSkHD6G6e9sB1ZPrzqZi 1988: Mother Gong - Fish in the Sky - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzAnQrgj4Z2629QY8Ts7ZAtA 1989: Mother Gong & Daevid Allen - The Owl and the Tree - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzAL1lk9yo7Ors_FzStGDBru 1989: Gong Maison - Gongmaison - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzDU1ezrNv4wkj2GIFA3_BuW 1990: Daevid Allen's Gong - Access All Areas - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzCSNtBDb_QyH7FXPsQhCH3W 1991: Mother Gong - Wild Child - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzBlzpSqG9THdQ_MB5ucJRT0 1992: Mother Gong - Live 1991 - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzAPEj6G1QKjdNtyGVE6nWNI 1992: Daevid Allen's Gong - Shapeshifter - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzC7ZPzHe0mKlQVGKKqb3J3V 1993: Mother Gong - She Made the World Magenta - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzBveJKRmYMEiwHebztPECm_ 1994: Mother Gong - Eye - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzB-QxbA_Ula3upQ1ouSR4UQ 1994: Mother Gong - Tree in Fish - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzBGoK_Ztpx6wW-IF7TbQLiX 1995: Daevid Allen's Gong - The Peel Sessions 1971/74 - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzDve5EqZopWjRN6xkNk5mQw 1995: Daevid Allen's Gong - 25th Birthday Party, The Forum, London - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzD3NyonOAlKX7mw-aSLqiS8 1995: Gongzilla - Suffer - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEeqz9tYuBw 1998: Mother Gong - The Best of Mother Gong - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzAlvopTk5gUKKpwZ3yDjZ9E 2000: Daevid Allen's Gong - Zero to Infinity - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzA1FjocEST5bajlpDqr717m 2000: Daevid Allen's Gong - Live to Infinitea - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzDB9QH-WEgZ6XzM5uueCG18 2000: Daevid Allen's Gong - High Above the Subterranea Club - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzC_CC5nlAh5Ii9dD9o01a3v 2003: Gong - The World of Daevid Allen & Gong, Vol. 1 - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzCbDB0MDnW3iSCxJZGlJIq6 2003: Gong - The World of Daevid Allen & Gong, Vol. 2 - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzBP3ewL2klIa5mwSmM2rSmJ 2003: Gong - The World of Daevid Allen & Gong, Vol. 3 - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzABxi58AIvRr2pjiSxXqqYw 2004: Daevid Allen's Gong - Magick Invocations. Vol. 1 - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzCmPThqF_L6167WLAwk1FAd 2004: Daevid Allen's Gong - Magick Invocations, Vol. 2 - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzBV5EbBogrMzYGjfVqVPzw2 2004: Acid Mothers Gong - Acid Motherhood - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzAEfa3R3V4d_wUfLIqGgGrp 2004: Pierre Moerlen's Gong - Pentanine - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzC0VyMDJWvFVelgJ4u6ScBd 2005: Mother Gong - Glastonbury Festival 1979-1981 - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzA14vnBGVYHLb7-Cm5zxQ0u 2006: Mother Gong - Mother Gong 2006 - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzB4ndJrO6fbUuJdP7JH-A5w 2007: Mother Gong - Live in Amsterdam - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzCYNQTuH8NSlv-lvq61eTDs 2009: Daevid Allen's Gong - 2032 - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzDsLCfWlR44zX3d7JbFvruE 2010: Pierre Moerlen's Gong - Tribute - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzA9kvMvM1rgmSeJ_JnKumnF 2013: Daevid Allen's Gong - A Storm in a Teapot - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzBMED_qzmjcEGeX53toqqa1 2014: Daevid Allen's Gong - I See You - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzBoipvAMRbNO2zHhbMSTL9u 2016: Gong - Rejoice! I'm Dead - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzA6DSORKqZlLW8J14y5_WGQ 2019: Gong - The Universe Also Collapses - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLikNHjJ_cxzDVoprYkTbtxPHPvPvwdRI5 Edited by Psychedelic Paul - September 27 2023 at 09:38 |
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My favorites are probably You and Shamal. The first one is the third and last chapter of the Flying Teapot trilogy. More space/jazz fusion than the previous two (and less "silly", I personally love their silly stuff, but it's not for everyone), the latter a sort of transitional album in between Allen's and Moerlen's Gong. Spiritual jazzrock fusion. Pure magick to my ears. |
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Maybe not their best, but this is my favourite.
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Start with You and Gazeuse, will give you the best examples amongst the two camps.
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sydbarrett2010
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Thanks for the replies, I already started with Downwind and some Shamal, now I'm just going through the albums, will check You, next
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@Octopus II
There was a time I would play that one on repeat and love it to death! I really like the Dada structure of this one and the one before that (Brother). Allen was an early member of Soft Machine so I assume the Dada nature of the debut and Vol 2 was influenced by him. It's not for everyone, but I am partial to early Gong!
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I bought the album for the princely sum of 59p back in the day. |
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My favourite is You. "Master Builder" off it is so masterful. If the "The Isle of Everywhere" playing in grocery stores (supermarkets) here, that is a grocery store aisle which I would almost wish could be everywhere. Sorry, that was really bad. Great album. And I love Angel's Egg about as much and I really like Flying Teapot too. When it comes to Gong, I most am into the Radio Gnome Invisible trilogy (Flying Teapot, Angel's Egg and You), but I also love Camembert electrique, and Shamal. And I really like Magick Brother and Gazeuse! too.
Can't really go wrong with trying the other Radio Gnome Invisible albums, imo, even if you don't like them, or actually you can of course. I would have gone Angel's Egg next followed by You. I also do think there's something to be said for following a band chronologically, that said, it is important that one starts in the right place because first impressions do matter. Happy hippy listening, or not. Edited by Logan - September 27 2023 at 16:20 |
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Hi, Suggestions here will be all over the place. I do not recommend following any of them, including mine, but starting with "Downwind", which really is no longer GONG, and what it started with AT ALL ... I'm not sure it is a good idea. The whole band, coming from Canterbury (Daevid specially!), is not your average rock band, and neither is it a jazz band, and it is mostly a theatrical music experience, something that rock audiences do not always like ... so the pick of Downwind, is already not the theatrical material that the band started with ... that's not to say that the music is not great ... of course it is ... but it is a version of GONG that is nowhere near what the band started out with, and pretty much "finished" before Pierre Moerlin decided to do his own version, which is far out, no question about it, but in many ways it does not relate to GONG a whole lot, although I'm not sure that Pierre Moerlin would have sold as well, WITHOUT the word GONG in the band's name. I would say, usually, to start at the beginning, and MAKE YOUR OWN IDEA AND JUDGEMENT. You might find a lot of excellent musicianship along the way, with uncanny timing ... but expecting/hoping that someone tell you which album is better? Good luck!
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Hi, Daevid lived in London with Kevin Ayers, and many other folks and artists and writers. Both Burroughs and Ginsberg are often mentioned and you know that they influenced what these folks ended up doing, not to mention that Robert Wyatt became the best "beat poet" of all in all of his albums ... all different and all interesting, and all ... many times way out of this world! By the time Burroughs comes around, it really is not anymore "dada" per se, but it has a bit of that flavor for folks not quite on par with the literature around it, is my take on it ... you gotta remember the most important part of it all ... this came from an ARTISTIC SCENE, that was not just music! We still, even here on PA, don't like to hear that because we think a screaming guitar created progressive garbage! You can get a better idea of the time period and its folks in the special "Tonite We All Love in London" and realize that the bands are not listed that play in the art venue which makes things more confusing and takes the "moment" away from the ensuing music and arts, as the film then changed to focus on John and Yoko! Dada, just became ... nothing! But both Burroughs and Ginsberg are well remembered ... and we still don't seem to understand this part of the scene that gave us so many bands, and a scene outside London.
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I actually didn't mean to say that I didn't like radio gnome, I might have been looking for the album in which they proved to be a defining part of the early prog scene, something like King Crimson's In The Court, for example.
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That's always been my approach too - to start at the beginning of a discography and work my way through to the end, judging each album on its own merits along the way, just as I did with Gong and every other artist I've ever listened to online.
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You is my favorite album by them and usually the one many recommend starting with. From their earliest stuff pre-Radio Gnome, I like Continental Circus best. From the Moerlin period, Gazeuse! and Expresso II are great albums. For 21st century Gong, I really enjoyed Rejoice! I'm Dead and The Universe Also Collapses. They're supposed to have a new studio album out in November.
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Gong isn't for everyone so maybe not a big deal for you. Edited by Grumpyprogfan - September 27 2023 at 14:51 |
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Your username suits you, grumpyprogfan. I didn't mean to devalue their work, i just wanted to find an album in which they prove their worth in the progressive music circle. Because there have been great bands who have released albums that are not worthy of mentioning. I just didn't want it to leave a bad first impression on me.
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As your name suits you, sydbarrett2010. What albums do you believe they "proved their worth in progressive music circles"? And what albums from great bands are not worthy of mentioning?
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The band is very worthwhile to me, it doesn't need to prove its worth to me, it just is. And Gong is quite unique so I would not want to readily compare it to most other ones in the prog circle. If you are big on plenty of Canterbury Scene, Space Rock/ psych, various hippy-dippy stuff, and classic jazz-rock then that likely would help. I do think it's best to judge on its own merits and just if it connects with you and try not to worry about what others think of it or how it fits into Prog. Reviews can be a good guide, but ultimately you are the arbiter of your own tastes and it is about personal taste and what connects with one personally. Sometimes people do come in with the wrong expectations, hoping for something else, and that leads to disappointment. I would not phrase it as proving their worth, it should about your tastes and finding something you like. I looked through your ratings, but it does not give a strong impression of what to suggest that you might enjoy for what it is.
What is worth mentioning commonly depends on the individual. What is worthy to you might not be to me and in fact looking at your ratings, there's a lot you love that I don't and a lot I love that you do. "Don't ask what worth the music can prove to you, ask what worth you can prove to the music." Sometimes it is not the music that is unworthy, it is the listener that is unworthy of the music -- at least that's one way to consider things. Edited by Logan - September 27 2023 at 16:54 |
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