Rush: Heavy Prog or Prog Metal?
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Topic: Rush: Heavy Prog or Prog Metal?
Posted By: SteveG
Subject: Rush: Heavy Prog or Prog Metal?
Date Posted: September 24 2014 at 15:08
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Rush is listed in PA under Heavy Prog. But is Rush Heavy Prog or Progressive Metal? Inquiring minds need to know. What's your thoughts? ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: September 24 2014 at 15:21
I've always thought of Rush as primarily being a hard rock band which certainly has links to classic heavy metal. Heavy Prog is the most apt category.
The most important period froma prog perpective for Rush is the 70s through early 80s, and that music does not befit what is now known as Prog Metal as well as what we call Heavy Prog. Prog Metal bands in PA were influenced by Rush, so it's more Proto Prog Metal. Heavy Prog is just right, I think. |
SteveG wrote:Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: September 24 2014 at 15:21
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I don't think Rush is Progressive Metal. BUT...I believe the first side of 2112 is one of the earliest examples of it, or "Proto"-PM, if that makes any sense. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: September 24 2014 at 15:26
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^Makes sense to me. Thanks. ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: September 24 2014 at 16:35
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There are ways of telling whether Rush is Prog Metal. Are there? What are they? Tell us. Do they hurt? Tell me, what do you do with Rush? Burn them! And what do you burn, apart from Rush? More Rushes! Wood! So why does Rush burn? 'Cause they're made of wood? Good! How do we tell if Rush is made of wood? Build a bridge out of them. But can you not also make bridges out of stone? Oh, yeah. Does wood sink in water? No, it floats. Throw them into the pond! What also floats in water? Bread. Apples. Very small rocks. Cider! Great gravy.Cherries. Mud. Churches. Lead. A duck! Exactly. So, logically-- If Rush weighs the same as a duck... Rush's made of wood. And therefore? Prog Metal! A duck! A duck! Here's a duck. ------------- What? |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: September 24 2014 at 16:44
^Hmmm, not really sure if that's a yes or a no.  ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: September 24 2014 at 17:08
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You're not sure whether three middle-aged men weigh more than a duck... o-kay...
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: September 24 2014 at 17:29
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Between the two listed I would vote Heavy Prog. In that there is a heavy does of progressive elements in all their music. I don't think there is a heavy does of metal in all their music.
Many middle of the road rock bands, a la Foo-Fighters, are influenced by Rush, as well as metal bands. Based on their whole catalog, as an average, Heavy Prog works well. Its really called "Rush Music" -------------   
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: September 24 2014 at 19:11
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: September 24 2014 at 19:13
| Heavy Prog. |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: September 24 2014 at 19:27
As much as I dislike Gene Simmons and all his antics, the one intelligent comment he made in Beyond The Lighted Stage...when asked what kind of music is it...he simply said "it's Rush music.." PA needs no more sub-sub-sub-sub genres  -------------
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: September 24 2014 at 19:31
^Agreed! Heavy Prog it is! Hail Rush! 
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Posted By: fudgenuts64
Date Posted: September 24 2014 at 20:47
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Heavy Prog. Crossover would for a lot of the stuff they did in the 80s and afterwards though.
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Posted By: Billy Pilgrim
Date Posted: September 24 2014 at 21:27
| Not heavy enough to be considered metal to me. But much heavier than the other classic bands, heavy prog is perfect I think, but it is interesting to hear the influence they had on many different aspects of metal in general, I hear Rush in Iron Maiden, Dream Theater, certain thrash bands. Rush have made their mark on a few different genres, but heavy prog makes the most since. |
Posted By: zravkapt
Date Posted: September 24 2014 at 23:07
Here in Canada they are considered 'classic rock'.
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: September 25 2014 at 00:59
In the old days there was Art Rock. Art Rock was a mess, with Mike Oldfield, King Crimson and Rush all sharing space on the same PA shelf. So we split it into three, the first we called Eclectic, the second we called Crossover, the third we called ... well we called it Heavy but really it was a subgenre invented purely to contain Rush.
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Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: September 25 2014 at 01:19
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Heavy prog best fit ------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: September 25 2014 at 03:24
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I am not a great fan of Rush to be honest, Geddy's vocals are high pitched although through the years it got better, so are the vocals of Budgie vocalist however Parents is one of my ultimate fav tracks ever Ok back to topic, considering that prog got a bad name due to the music industry corporate suits in the 80's, many bands turned pop, Rush was a breath of fresh air to be honest instead of punk or pop alternatives for sure. No doubt they are outstanding musicians, somehow I prefer 4 member bands compared to 3 it seems.
Neil Peart double kicks *ss and yes I read his book, however (awww please don't kill me) he is partly to blame to Geddy's singing too because most times I don't like the singing, love the bass line too much, but the lyrics at times are a bit corny too   pls do not shoot me!!  hugs 
I would describe them as prog rock yes I will especially during the 80's. |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: September 25 2014 at 04:33
A bit of everything.. 
In their career they've been heavy rock, prog metal, heavy prog, prog related... For now I think heavy prog or crossover are fine. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: September 25 2014 at 04:43
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Metal? Good grief. Ain't never been nohow near as I reckon.
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Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: September 25 2014 at 04:53
I second that, Atavachron big hugs
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: September 25 2014 at 08:20
Then you're dead to me. |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: September 25 2014 at 09:18
I like Rush and I don't like most prog metal.....so they must be heavy prog.
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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: September 25 2014 at 09:55
Neil's lyrics weren't very inspiring on quite a few songs across Presto, Roll The Bones and Test For Echo, though the good ones are very good. Counterparts is their best '90s album when it comes to both music and lyrics. And while many hate the album, Vapor Trails turned out to be one of his best lyrical showcases ever. I love the music, too. Very heavy. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: September 25 2014 at 11:29
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Vapor Trails is a beast of an album....Great lyrics with hard, heavy, thick music.
Considering the reason for the bands hiatus, one would think they would have released a fluffy, melancholic, sobering album. Nahhh...balls to the walls sound saying "we are back!" -------------
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: September 25 2014 at 12:05
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: September 25 2014 at 12:16
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: September 25 2014 at 12:25
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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: September 25 2014 at 12:28
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: September 25 2014 at 12:31
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^ Gotta sign off, have a good day, Steve! ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: September 25 2014 at 12:32
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You too, bud. :)
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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: September 25 2014 at 12:43
I believe the album sounds as aggressive as it does due to the tragedy that befell Neil. He hadn't played the way he does on VT since at least the mid-80s. Lyrically and musically, it's their best album, IMO, since Power Windows. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: September 25 2014 at 13:25
I have the original CD which I love, always have..... The remix on vinyl is fantastic, there are sounds/bits I do not hear on the original mix, so it has a different presentation in spots  -------------
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: September 25 2014 at 14:05
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^Awesome, Catch. Thanks! Next on my list! ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: Argonaught
Date Posted: September 25 2014 at 15:20
Quoting from (fading) memory: when I started listening to Rush, which would have been good 35 years ago, the word "prog" was being used a lot more sparingly than it's now. I certainly don't remember Rush being called prog back then; just hard rock or heavy metal. But it's also true that they came up with markedly more complex lyrics and melody lines than many others in the genre.
Should we say, Prog Metal in the 1970s and more like Heavy Prog afterwards? |
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: September 25 2014 at 16:46
I am going to tell my mom...
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Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: September 25 2014 at 17:31
Frankly speaking Padraic, I simply ignore what you said. I don’t judge people by their political choices, their beliefs being religions or not and certainly will not judge them by their musical preference. When someone doesn’t particularly like a band that I do, I try find out what they like and possibly find similar choices to suggest some of my favorite tracks of the band to them because maybe the songs they heard were not the band’s best work etc. this happens especially in prog because of the diverse range. I have been lucky to change some friend’s opinion when it came to TFK and Pain of Salvation for instance. I am very open to trying new albums and love discovering old bands that I never heard before in my life, those are real gems. I do not own any Rush albums, never seen a gig from them although given the opportunity I would because I know their concerts are a big event. My opinion will make no difference whatsoever to RUSH, it has no affect to their livelihood, they have a huge following, worked hard for it, made it into the hall of fame and deserve it too. Your closed comment to me is ok however does make my openness to the band even a more negative one. P.S. This goes for you too,Rushfan4
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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: September 25 2014 at 17:37
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I obviously can't speak for the fox, Sonia, but I am pretty sure he was pulling your leg ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: September 25 2014 at 17:46
Thank you, Guldbamsen, I was unsure, well I still am a bit hehehe because I do know that some people could get upset regarding this matter but I certainly did not mean to offend anyone or impose my opinion whatsoever hugs
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: September 25 2014 at 17:49
Of course I was joking - who would seriously say something like that? 
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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: September 25 2014 at 17:52
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Ahh don't worry dear lass - it's all good
I am off to bed. I have some dreams to attend. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: September 25 2014 at 18:36
The core of your post is that your mind may be closed to what you have obviously convinced your friends to try out and be open with TFK and PoS....It matters to me nothing if you try to listen to Rush or not, and I doubt others too...but maybe try a dose of your own medicine. If you have then I recall this post. -------------
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Posted By: Prog_Traveller
Date Posted: September 25 2014 at 18:59
| I'd say that there albums from the mid seventies to early 80's(up to and including MP)were proto prog metal. There is some power chords and roaring guitar but I don't think that they were pure prog metal because that sub genre had not been developed yet. They were certainly a major influence on it though. Heavy prog is a good category for them. |
Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: September 25 2014 at 19:15
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Heavy-prog in my opinion, they may have had a huge influence on Prog-Metal but I just don't see them as a Metal band. The 2112 suite has it's share of metal though. ------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: September 25 2014 at 19:19
^Yeah man! 
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Posted By: Prog_Traveller
Date Posted: September 25 2014 at 19:20
I agree and there were other moments of metal as well. It's like this Led Zeppelin also had metal moments but I don't see them as a metal band either and heck even YES had metal moments.  |
Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: September 25 2014 at 19:21
Man i'm still laughing at that one.------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
Posted By: Metalmarsh89
Date Posted: September 25 2014 at 19:37
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: September 25 2014 at 19:41
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^No way, Jose!
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: September 25 2014 at 20:02
Bull. Rush has never even flirted with heavy metal. Judas Priest, Sabbath, Scorpions... Rush ? No I don't at all think so. ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: September 25 2014 at 22:26
Hey I resemble that remark....! -------------
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Posted By: Jeffro
Date Posted: September 26 2014 at 07:05
Yup, other metal moments Lots of metal moments on Caress of Steel. Then, there's Cygnus X-1 |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: September 26 2014 at 09:05
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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: September 26 2014 at 09:10
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Min. 87% Heavy Prog Max. 13% Progressive Metal ------------- 
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: September 26 2014 at 09:10
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: September 26 2014 at 09:14
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^Absoutely true, but this is not one of thse times.
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: September 26 2014 at 09:15
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And why is that? ------------- What? |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: September 26 2014 at 09:19
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^Being serious this time, it's the discussion that's generated that's important. Obviously some members see a metal side to Rush and others do not, and that's a skewed view of this band, IMO.
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: September 26 2014 at 09:44
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Skewed maybe, but I fail to see why this requires us to reconsider which subgenre they should be placed in. Discuss away by all means, but you did not open this thread as a general discussion about the various styles of music that Rush produce, you are specifically asking us to reconsider their subgenre placement. If this is not the case then rename the thread and change the OP. Lots of bands straddle the gaps between genres, this does not mean we should vacillate for hours on end about where they should be or whether they should be moved. If there is a choice of two then there will never be a perfect fit so we pick one that fits best. That is the pragmatic approach and the one we go by and that is why they reside in Heavy Prog. In this instance moving Rush to Progressive Metal would be misleading and even more inaccurate than leaving them in Heavy Prog, their Metal has a far closer relationship to 1970s Heavy Rock than it ever does to the Progressive Metal that emerged in the late 1980s. Surely we can be sensible enough to appreciate the history of Heavy Rock and Heavy Metal from both a 1970s perspective and a 2014 perspective without kicking up a fuss about whether some members see the metal side of a particular band or not. ------------- What? |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: September 26 2014 at 09:51
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^The posted question was not if PA should reconsider Rush as Prog metal but how PA members view the band's music.
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: September 26 2014 at 09:54
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In 1974, I would have considered Working Man more metal than anything else. And not as a label but what the music sounded like, was it Black Sabbath metal, don't think so...Was it Led Zeppelin metal, yea. But if Ozzy sang Working Man, it might have a harder metal tone to it.
It did not sound like Genesis, Pink Floyd or Yes....more Schizoid Man than anything. So many people give that song a metal tag than a prog rock tag...which I agree with I can see Working Man and Schizoid Man on the same album... -------------
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Posted By: Friday13th
Date Posted: September 26 2014 at 09:59
They have some moments of legit prog metal. The early years didn't have a whole lot of prog though lots of Zep/Sabbath type metal. Maybe "Anthem?" After "2112", "Cygnus X-1" is the only very good example of prog metal. My beef with the whole prog metal label is it's not at all representative of the band's sound, and as some have said, did not even Yes have a similarly metallic prog sound on "South Side of the Sky"? King Crimson honestly blew them out of the water in terms of heaviness. "De Futura" by Magma is also heavier than anything by Rush, though I'd also hesitate to call it metal cause it's so weird  I'm writing a bit out of bitterness. Back when I only listened to metal and talked with metal fans, I was led to believe prog mostly sounded like Pink Floyd and Rush was the closest to metal classic prog ever got. WRONG! There still seems to be a deep disconnect between prog metal fans and prog rock in general, but anyways...I say heavy prog is a good label.
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: September 26 2014 at 10:48
I beg to differ:
Now, what that meant inside your head may be something completely different. All we can go by is the words you post.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: September 26 2014 at 12:24
Maybe more like people thought of as being Prog Metal in the 1970s, but different from what most people think now as being Prog Metal. I'd say more like classic heavy metal with a prog edge with early albums, and becoming increasinly symphonic hard prog rock as they progressed. Thing is, classic heavy metal, or progressive heavy metal, is not the same thing as what we know consider to be metal, or progressive metal. Early Rush has a harder blues edge to me,with some heavy riffin', which is what Heavy Prog is really about to my ears (that and it's Prog, of course). Working Man has been mentioned as one of those kinds of tracks. It's got that bluesy classic heavy metal edge. Or Anthem. Or Bastille Day. I think Anthem's a great one. I actually like Rush best when they had that driving classic hard rock sound. Heavy Prog is perfect to me to describe 70s albums by Rush. In terms of category for Rush over all, after Heavy Prog I would say that Crossover fits them best, but not Prog Metal as we know it (and not what I would call Prog Metal though it can cross into that territory) By the way, I once argued for AC/DC's addition at a metal sister site to Prog Archives, and was told that it's just hard rock, but I said back in the 70s, and early 80s, we often considered what is often just labelled as hard rock these days to be heavy metal then. Music by Iron Butterfly (overplaed perhaps, but I still love In a Gadda da Vida), Black Sabbath (duh), Led Zeppelin etc. |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: September 26 2014 at 12:49
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Just an FYI for Logan, but AC/DC is now listed on MMA as hard rock/proto-metal.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: September 26 2014 at 13:00
| Ah good, thanks, I agree with that designation. |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: September 26 2014 at 13:15
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: September 26 2014 at 13:22
Just to get back to the posted question, I'll state it again: Is Rush Progressive metal? |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: September 26 2014 at 13:50
Not to open another can of worms, but I don't think the term "progressive metal" was around in the '70s. It was all art rock/prog rock and hard rock/heavy metal (etc.) back then. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: September 26 2014 at 14:06
Considering Rush is not metal: no. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: September 26 2014 at 14:11
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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: September 26 2014 at 14:27
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Affirmative. That's why I wrote "art rock/prog rock" and "hard rock/heavy metal." ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: September 26 2014 at 14:27
Both true, and I rather misspoke. My response was meant to imply that the metal descriptor came closer to what some people thought of as "metal", or heavy metal, in the 1970s. It was an attempt at parallelism with the post I was responding to which didn't quite work. |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: September 26 2014 at 14:38
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And what does the OP think?
I have to split for the weekend so I'd best say something. Rush really comes in too many flavors to put them in one specific category for me. As one member reminded me, "its Rush Music". True. But to me 2112 is the epitome of Progressive Metal and I see Rush as at least forerunners of Prog metal at specific times and with specific albums. But I emphasize, not at all times and with all albums. I frankly cannot envision a group like Dream Theater, with their diverse influences from classic prog to thrash, existing without a big nod to Rush. Heavy Prog fits just fine, because they are heavy in more ways then one! Great posts by everyone. Thanks and have a great weekend! |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: September 26 2014 at 14:39
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Dream Theater is easily discernible as a fusion of Rush, Yes and Iron Maiden.
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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: September 26 2014 at 14:41
With the first side of 2112, Rush was categorized 'neath that header more so than ever, which brings us/me full circle to my remark that Side A of that pivotal recording is solidly an early example of "proto" progressive metal. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: September 26 2014 at 14:57
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^Absolutely V. I'm not taking anything away from your post, you said it first. ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: September 26 2014 at 15:09
These kinds of topics always go around in circles.  Yes, I agree with you, and you made a good point, and I said just before that post you referred to of your own, Rush has influenced many Prog Metal bands, which lends some support to it being considered Proto Prog Metal (sorry, not that that bears repeating, nor is a useful comment). As one fellow I knew might have once said about 2112, "That's some heavy sh*t, man, and I do mean, ah... heavy ... and, you know, rockin! ". |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: September 26 2014 at 15:15
That reminds me of that old infomercial for a '60s protest music collection called Freedom Rock, with two hippies going "Is that Freedom Rock, man?!" "Yeahhh, man!" "Well...turn it UP!" ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: September 26 2014 at 15:17
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^A quick one before I'm out the door. Rush is too diverse to be tagged as just Proto Prog metal only. Peace. Out. ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: September 26 2014 at 15:21
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^Proto Prog Metal......?? ------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: September 26 2014 at 15:25
I remember that. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eGWW8KOQio" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eGWW8KOQio |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: September 26 2014 at 15:25
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Proto:
1.First in time; earliest. 2.First formed; primitive; original. At least it's better than Prog Related... ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: September 26 2014 at 15:27
I think PA could benefit from that category, but not before Proto Post-Rock, Proto Neo-Prog, and Proto Prog Related. |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: September 26 2014 at 15:33
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^You forget my suggestion for Proto Jazz Rock/Fusion. ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: September 26 2014 at 15:54
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^ Oh yes, and it shall be known as jazz.
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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: September 26 2014 at 16:02
It's in there: symph! ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: September 26 2014 at 16:04
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Vangelis needs Proto New Age to escape the treachery that is Prog Related. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: September 26 2014 at 16:23
True, that was also in my mind. 
It's in there: Progressive Electronic. ;) I think he should be in Crossover. |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: September 26 2014 at 16:35
Definitely Crossover. He could never be Progressive Electronic because his synths share space with drums, piano, bass, guitar, harp, etc. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: September 26 2014 at 16:42
There are a number of acts in Progressive Electronic that incorporate lots of non-electronic music. My favourite Vangelis albums are Hypothesis and The Dragon which are not electronic albums -- more jazz fusion/ Prog. I also like his debut. I happen to also like his albums Beauborg, Albedo (some number), and Spiral which would fit electronic. His music is really diverse, and I think he should be primarily evaluated on his 70s stuff. Eclectic would work well, but because of his mainstream sort of career I think Crossover is a better fit overall. |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: September 26 2014 at 17:43
As an avid electronic music listener since '85, I heartily concur. Unlike Tangerine Dream, where the sound is typically synths/samplers + electronic rhythms topped by electric guitar (except for the early records), Vangelis has alternately recorded stuff that's symphonic, experimental, and purely electronic (and his collab with Neuronium was awesome), but his approach has never been steadfastly nailed down. Hypothesis, L'Apocalypse L'Animaux, Albedo 0.39, Beauborg, Blade Runner and Direct all sound like they could have been recorded by five different personalities, with the exception of those few distinct stylistic aspects that give him away. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: September 26 2014 at 21:03
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Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: September 26 2014 at 23:17
Dreamcatcher great Peart profile pic btw and no not the same, if you read the whole thing I try to find similarities in terms of taste that others might like and suggest similar to the best I can in what friends might like, try to show a different side of a band. For instance, I am not a big fan of Flying Colour nor Neal Morse's Singing however I absolutely adore Spocks Beard and Transatlantic, I do not like recent Uriah Heep but adore David Byron and Ken Hensley era, bands who have released many albums tend to be very diverse and I don't easily give up when someone doesn't like a band that I truly believe is good, I give it my best shot to try convince them otherwise. Look at Genesis, they sound nothing like Gabriel era nor like right after that era even when Phil stopped playing drums and decided to be the singer, nothing compares new Genesis to any of that. It's all very relative I think. I just think I have not come across or convinced how astonishing Rush is maybe it might be due to lack of knowledge about them I admit but so far this is what I think. I know people's taste vary and thankfull for this too coz there is really horrid music out there and rush is absolutely not one of them (horrid as in pop) I am just saying that I have other preferences to listen and this is good too! I love Floyd and some Pink Floyd fans will only listen to Floyd not give another band a change atleast to listen to see if they like it and this is a shame because there is so much great moozik out there!
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Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: September 26 2014 at 23:24
 that's it now you are stuck with me don't run lol
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Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: September 27 2014 at 05:03
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to all you Grumpies here, I am not sure who has a higher pitch, Geddy or the singer from Budgie (he sounds even like nancy Sinatra) however Budgie's song Parents is to me one of my ultimate favorite songs to date, I adore that song! Foxy above here is my new fav Grumpy btw
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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: September 27 2014 at 10:11
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Geddy, easily. In the '70s he could hit insanely high notes, though I prefer his vocals ca. '78-'88. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: September 27 2014 at 11:52
Sounds good to me. I never push anyone to listen to something I don't think they might like. -------------
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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: September 27 2014 at 12:02
How about John Lawton? Firefly ('77) is my favorite Heep. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: September 27 2014 at 12:03
I don't like posting from I Phones, hard enough for me with a PC, but I will. Metal is also characterized, aside from the obvious power chords, riffs and riffing, by it's songs emphatic rhythms and deliberate stresses. Also prominent is the interplay between bass and guitar (and who does this better than Rush?)with Geddy's bass lines holding down the critical pedal point. I think Peart's drumming speaks for itself, but his obvious use of cymble checking is also a clue. To, me 2112 is not a progressive metal album because it's metal music played with keyboards and a concept thrown in. It's Progressive metal because it's metal music played progressively. If you don't see my points at this stage, it's probably a good time to agree to disagree. Now, I'm off to hear some newly uncovered recordings by Blind Willie Mctell and Pink Anderson. Now that's really heavy s@%#! |