Krautrock noob needs advice ...
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Topic: Krautrock noob needs advice ...
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Subject: Krautrock noob needs advice ...
Date Posted: August 10 2005 at 16:20
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I'm new to Krautrock and bought CAN - Landed today. I know it's not their best album, but it's not that bad - I've listened twice to it so far. My question: how does the album related to Krautrock as a genre - are there albums/bands entirely different from it? Which albums should I go for, if I'm interested in freaked out improvisation/free-style songs like Vernal Equinox or Unfinished? ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to: 
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Posted By: lovecraft
Date Posted: August 10 2005 at 16:44
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I would work your way back from Landed through Cans' discography..avoiding the irrelevant Unlimited Edition...it's all good. For the more free form, cut and paste style,try the first couple of Faust albums..both a little insane but quite excellent. My personal Krautrock favourite you ask? Agitation Free.......Malesch, Second and Last are all masterpieces that should adorn every home - a band who are remarkably 'in tune' with each other, spacious and melodic in an effortless way.  |
Posted By: Joren
Date Posted: August 10 2005 at 16:50
I suggest you send a PM to Philippe. He is the kraut master and he is always willing to help someone who is interested in his favourite genre of music! 
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Posted By: krauthead
Date Posted: August 10 2005 at 17:30
Go for Amon Düül II and grab their early stuff like Tanz Der Lemminge, Yeti, Phallus Dei... grab the remastered cd's with bonus tracks. ------------- *Dancing madly backwards on a sea of air* - Captain Beyond |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:Posted By: pepolo
Date Posted: August 10 2005 at 17:30
| Try Kraan |
Posted By: krauthead
Date Posted: August 10 2005 at 17:32
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------------- *Dancing madly backwards on a sea of air* - Captain Beyond |
Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: August 10 2005 at 17:37
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Friede and I know a lot about Krautrock too. our collection is full of it. try "Känguru" by Guru Guru, "Schwingungen" by Ash Ra Tempel and "Rocksession" by Embryo for a start. then you will have a good feeling for the bandwith of Krautrock -------------  A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: August 10 2005 at 17:39
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the suggestion of Amon Düül 2 is a good one too ------------- A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: krauthead
Date Posted: August 10 2005 at 17:50
Very good starters, when I started with kraut I didn't knew any of them but it's top recommendations here from BaldJean. These bands are some of the spine of the kraut rock ------------- *Dancing madly backwards on a sea of air* - Captain Beyond |
Posted By: Logos
Date Posted: August 10 2005 at 18:04
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I don't know much about kraut rock myself, but "Tago Mago" by Can , "Phallus Dei" by Amon Düül II , "Second" by Agitation Free and "Neu!" by Neu! are among my favourites! I suggest you to listen to the experts of this genre more than me tho!
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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: August 10 2005 at 18:17
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Rather surprised but pleased to see Amon Duul 2's Dance Of The Lemmings in the Q/Mojo Prog Rock Special Edition's top 40. Kraan: Live Can: Tago Mago seems to be the one most folks refer too - but seee a couple fo reissues int he shops in the last week, included Landed. Several books on the subject - one by 80's pop singer Julian Cope; Cosmic Egg by the brothers Freeman is onl yavailable 2nd hand. And the brothers Freeman in their store have a stock of an English translation of a German book on the subject, which looks to be an extensive discography with lots of cover art. Last Saturday Alan Freeman's showed me how they had progressed with their software version of the 2nd edition of Cosmic Egg - it looks impressive and very comprehensive - however, it is still in progress (for instance I've just supplied them with some info on a Max Lasser album). There used to be a connection to parts of this database via their website Audion Ultima Thule. |
Posted By: Hemispheres
Date Posted: August 10 2005 at 21:48
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I think the easiest album to start with in cans discography for a prog fan would be future days ------------- [IMG]http://www.wheresthatfrom.com/avatars/miguelsanchez.gif">[IMG]http://www.rockphiles.com/all_images/Act_Images/TheMothersOfInvention/mothers300.jpg"> |
Posted By: krauthead
Date Posted: August 11 2005 at 04:02
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Why? You seem to be an expert yourself Good recommendations ------------- *Dancing madly backwards on a sea of air* - Captain Beyond |
Posted By: Intruder
Date Posted: August 11 2005 at 05:59
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Not a big Kraut rock fan, but early Can is hard to beat. Love their sound and they're funny as hell....mushroom head! ------------- I like to feel the suspense when you're certain you know I am there..... |
Posted By: Intruder
Date Posted: August 11 2005 at 06:04
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Ohhhhh, almost forgot that Tangerine Dream is a German band. Picked up the live Lagos LP last week for $1 at a charity shop.....one of those "best dollar ever spent" moments. Conversely, also picked up the first Robert Plant solo LP for the same $1.....would gladly GIVE someone a dollar to take it off my hands....what muck! ------------- I like to feel the suspense when you're certain you know I am there..... |
Posted By: abyssyinfinity
Date Posted: August 11 2005 at 06:45
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DOM - Edge of Time. A
Absolutely freak-out! |
Posted By: Logos
Date Posted: August 11 2005 at 08:36
Thanks! 
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: August 11 2005 at 08:51
if you have any questions about krautrock, ask philippe, who has an excellent knowledge there. krauthead hasn't chosen his name for nothing either. Dallas Bryan also comes to my mind. and of course you can always ask BaldFriede and me, who know a little bit of krautrock too  ------------- A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: August 11 2005 at 08:54
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Thanks for all your advice so far - it is greatly appreciated. I bought CAN - Future Days today, the other bands mentioned are not available in my local CD store. I'll see where I can get the more "obscure" items ... ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: Politician
Date Posted: August 11 2005 at 09:38
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POPOL VUH was a fascinating band, with an extremely varied oeuvre -
starting off electronic avant garde, then turning to mystical folk/rock, ethnic and neoclassical hybrids, then finally issuing a couple of (much less interesting) bhangra and techno-style albums during the late nineties. |
Posted By: krauthead
Date Posted: August 11 2005 at 11:23
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Mike, there's something named "online shopping" There's this one in Sweden and they ship worldwide: http://www.recordheaven.net/ - http://www.recordheaven.net/ And for the Germans I guess there's lots of online places, this though have great albums and you can also listen to samples on some of their albums, but I haven't bought from them: http://www.mydvdbox.de/ - www.mydvdbox.de/ For example Amon Düül II - Phallus Dei (2005 remaster with bonus tracks and listening samples): http://www.mydvdbox.de/show3572508.html - http://www.mydvdbox.de/show3572508.html
Happy hunting Mike ------------- *Dancing madly backwards on a sea of air* - Captain Beyond |
Posted By: krauthead
Date Posted: August 11 2005 at 11:33
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Just a little you say? ------------- *Dancing madly backwards on a sea of air* - Captain Beyond |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: August 11 2005 at 12:19
Thanks, I will - but in the record store I can listen to the CD's as long as I want and browse the booklet, so first I see what they offer, and then I go for the online stores. So far I really like CAN - Future Days ... ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: Progbear
Date Posted: August 11 2005 at 14:35
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Future Days was my first Can album, and it started a big time
love affair with the group. I was really into Pink Floyd at the time,
and FD was most Floydian (particularly “Bel Air”, which was practically
“Echoes II” and thus manna sent from heaven for me). My other favourite Can album is Ege Bamyasi. A harder-edged sound on this one (check out “Pinch” and “Soup” for Can at their most raucous and abrasive, particularly that nasty, growling fuzz-organ on the latter). Considering your love for the more “out there” edge of their sound, I see no reason not to recommend their sprawling double album Tago Mago to you. There’s moments there that are too much even for me (hello, “Aumgn”), but it’s for the most part excellent. “Halleluwah” is Can at their hypnotic best. Amon Düül 2 are definitely a bizarre group. They have a thing for wacky vocal parts, particularly when Chris Karrer gets into his freaky falsetto mode. Some of the early albums also feature guest appearances by avant-garde weirdo Rolf Zacher who...well, it’s kind of hard to describe what he does. You just have to experience it for yourself. I think Wolf City would probably be your best starting point for them. It’s basically all they are in the most concentrated package. Yeti and Dance of the Lemmings are both expansive feature-length discs that were originally released as deluxe double LP’s. The former has some of their hardest-edged guitar-oriented stuff on Disc One and some of their most sprawling improvisations on Disc Two. The latter is all over the map, starting off deceptively with a suite that’s close to “conventional” prog, then going off into some of their most freaky and bizarre music. It’s grown to be my favourite, so diverse is it. Phallus Dei is a good debut, definitely bizarre with a tribal feel. Carnival In Babylon is more of a “mainstream” prog album with psych-folk tendencies, but it’s well-done, with a great spacy album-closer in “Hawknose Harlequin”. Vive La Trance is on the border, with a decided turn towards shorter songs and more conventional musical constructs, but some of these songs are still quite weird (“A Morning Excuse”) and there’s a couple of fantastic, more epic pieces in “Mozambique” and “Apocalyptic Bore”. ------------- [IMG] http://www.denness.net/rpi/u/Progbear/fs/8/w/500/cp/2/s/5/si g.png"> |
Posted By: Minstrel X
Date Posted: August 22 2005 at 10:21
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Try Popol Vuh and Grobschnitt... you won't be disappointed ------------- Minstrel X: Burning down the gallery |
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: August 31 2005 at 10:34
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I own tons of German rock here are a few of my favourite titles: Solar Music Live - Grobschnitt Ballerman- Grobschnitt Grobschnitt-Grobschnitt Dance Of The Flames- Guru Guru UFO-Guru Guru Live-Guru Guru Journey to the Center of Their Third One- Eiliff Clouds & Clowns- Hoelderlin Made In Germany ( double )- Amon Duul II Hijack- Amon Duul II Yeti- Amon Duul II Live In London- Amon Duul II There`s just too many to list. ------------- |
Posted By: robertplantowns
Date Posted: August 31 2005 at 10:55
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Annexus Quam- Osmose Amon Duul II _ Phallus Dei Can -Ege Bamyasi Can- Future Days (my favorite) Can - Tago Mago Neu! - Neu! 75 Neu! - Neu 2 try out the Neu! if you want a change from typical krautrock in the Can or Amon Duul vein |
Posted By: krauthead
Date Posted: August 31 2005 at 13:20
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Beautiful albus there, the best by Grobschnitt for sure IMO and Eiliff is such a band, these guys knows how to pull off progressive acid jazz... SUPER! ------------- *Dancing madly backwards on a sea of air* - Captain Beyond |
Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: August 31 2005 at 17:24
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Lots of good recommendations so far - for a slightly more relaxed vibe, go for Cluster (Sowieso, Zuckerzeit and Grosses Wasser are all fine albums), Harmonia (Cluster plus Michael Rother of Neu!) and the Cluster and Eno albums. If you enjoy Tangerine Dream's mid to late 70s output, check out Klaus Schulze's solo albums and New Age of Earth and Blackouts by Ashra. For really far out avant prog, try Faust - as awesome as Can were, even they sounded like the Carpenters compared to Faust. So Far is probably the easiest of their albums to get into. ------------- 'Like so many of you I've got my doubts about how much to contribute to the already rich among us...' Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom |
Posted By: Eetu Pellonpaa
Date Posted: September 01 2005 at 04:39
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Rufus Zuphall!
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Posted By: Rob tha bank
Date Posted: September 06 2005 at 19:02
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i'm surprised no one mentioned monster movie by Can !!!
exellent piece of work, its the one that got me hooked heard it on the john Peel show in 1970, bless his cotton socks. |
Posted By: BePinkTheater
Date Posted: September 06 2005 at 20:58
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what exactly is it? just german prog rock? or..what?
EDIT: ------------- I can strangle a canary in a tin can and it would be really original, but that wouldn't save it from sounding like utter sh*t. -Stone Beard |
what the hell?!Posted By: Rob tha bank
Date Posted: September 07 2005 at 03:32
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I believe monster movie was Can's first album,
track listing: 1- father cannot yell 7:01 2- mary,mary so contrary 4:16 3- outside my door 4:06 4- you doo right 20:14 the forfathers of avant-garde progrock,track 4-you doo right is stunning!! check it out ,happy listening
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Posted By: Alucard
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 10:54
'Krautrock' was a slightly pejorative term for the first wave of german rock groups in the end of the 70'slike Embryo and Amon Düll .The Pilz/ Ohr productions were still labelled 'Krautrock' in spite of their psychedelic orientation . I would say with the beginning of the 'Brain' label the term changed to 'German Rock'. 'Brain' organized 'German Rock Festivals' to support their label bands : 'Grobschnitt', 'Novalis', 'Jane',and others. Like for Italian Prog the 'german rock bands have very different orientations from psychedelic : Ammon Düll/ symphonic : Triumvirat /folk Ougenweide, Jazz_Rock : Kraan / Hard: Jane and bands you can't classify like Neu, Can and Faust. ------------- Tadpoles keep screaming in my ear "Hey there! Rotter's Club! Explain the meaning of this song and share it" |
Posted By: italprogfan
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 14:33
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my overall krautrock recommendations: Agitation Free/At The Cliffs of River Rhine 1974
guru guru may be of particular interest in the 'improv' area, but in a lot of cases, a lot of krautrock is about that. some great stuff in the classics are the ash ra (1st), agitation free, popul vuh, wallenstein, and grobschnitt. for those who are into more straight forward stuff, you may want to start on triumvirat - spartacus & illusions and eloy - maybe a little easier to get you arms around first off... amenophis/s/t is a symphonic masterpiece. aera's a relatively unknown band, but a great listen - i believe there's a legit release of the first two on one cd that i'd also recommend highly. |
Posted By: anael
Date Posted: September 09 2005 at 22:15
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all are good recomendations but there's nothing of kosmiche music: -The Cosmic Jokers: Planeten Sit In -Ash Ra Tempel: Join Inn -Sergius Golowin: Lord Krishna Von Goloka -Walter Wegmüller: Tarot ------------- 
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: September 10 2005 at 04:37
"Monster Movie" is indeed the first release of Can, but their oldest material can be found on "Delay" (which is rightfully named, because it appeared with a delay of over a decade) ------------- A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |