The "Big Six": 1969
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Topic: The "Big Six": 1969
Posted By: Xonty
Subject: The "Big Six": 1969
Date Posted: August 11 2014 at 06:04
Thought I'd start a series of polls on the Big Six per year, starting with 1969 (even though ELP is missing). Just pick your favourite album and maybe comment what you think about the others  Actually stuck between King Crimson and Genesis on this, but I'll vote Genesis because there's more stuff on there and ITCOTCK is going to get loads of votes  Stand Up is another great album (as good as TAAB for me), then the Pink Floyd ones.As always, thanks for any feedback
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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: August 11 2014 at 06:43
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ItCotCK is an album of great historic signifcance because it can be regarded as the first sign of prog's maturity and it contgains a number of classic prog songs. Nevertheless I find it easy to vote for Ummagumma. Pink Floyd proved to be able to create some good 12-minute pieces where King Crimson failed dramatically. ------------- 
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Posted By: uduwudu
Date Posted: August 11 2014 at 06:45
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You can always get the Nice to sub for ELP... |
Posted By: Imperial Zeppelin
Date Posted: August 11 2014 at 06:51
| The Crims |
Posted By: Mormegil
Date Posted: August 11 2014 at 06:56
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King C
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Posted By: PrognosticMind
Date Posted: August 11 2014 at 07:04
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At that period in history, I have to give it to ITCoTCK. Great poll!
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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: August 11 2014 at 07:07
| They're all alright except for In the Court... which is a genredefining album and a true classic. |
Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: August 11 2014 at 07:07
| Hard choice, since I have a very deep personal relationship with these albums, being that I started listening to progresive rock during this era. I will have to wait and think before choosing. |
Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: August 11 2014 at 07:10
| ITCOTCK |
Posted By: tboyd1802
Date Posted: August 11 2014 at 07:29
| Ditto - ITCOTCK |
Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: August 11 2014 at 08:28
| ITCHYCOCK for me. |
Posted By: hellogoodbye
Date Posted: August 11 2014 at 08:29
| Crimson without a doubt. |
Posted By: The-time-is-now
Date Posted: August 11 2014 at 08:43
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In the court :) -------------  One of my best achievements in life was to find this picture :D |
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: August 11 2014 at 08:47
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Hard to choose between Crimson, Tull and Yes. Okay, I'll vote for Yes, but it's really close.
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Posted By: Michael678
Date Posted: August 11 2014 at 09:27
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great debut from Yes, but Crimson takes the cake here. what a f**kin' surprise xD ------------- Progrockdude |
Posted By: Meltdowner
Date Posted: August 11 2014 at 09:53
| ITCOTCK -> More -> Yes -> Ummagumma |
Posted By: b_olariu
Date Posted: August 11 2014 at 10:08
I have a soft spot for Jethro Tull - Stand Up (4.03), so my vote easely
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Posted By: Stool Man
Date Posted: August 11 2014 at 13:25
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Ummagumma is the best album by any of the big six in any year in my opinion ------------- rotten hound of the burnie crew |
Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: August 11 2014 at 13:39
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Another Tull-skull for Jethro! ------------- The world of sound is certainly capable of infinite variety and, were our sense developed, of infinite extensions. -- George Santayana, "The Sense of Beauty" |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: August 11 2014 at 13:56
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Vompatti wrote:Posted By: genbanks
Date Posted: August 11 2014 at 14:18
| King Crimson easily. In any case, I love From Genesis to revelation too. Ummagumma is not bad too. |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: August 11 2014 at 14:23
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In The Court Of The Crimson King. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: melotron98
Date Posted: August 11 2014 at 14:27
 Of course Ummagumma
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Posted By: Hnrz
Date Posted: August 11 2014 at 14:38
| ITCOTCK is overrated, Stand Up for me! |
Posted By: Kirillov
Date Posted: August 11 2014 at 15:37
| Crimso the Great |
Posted By: Mirror Image
Date Posted: August 11 2014 at 15:49
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King Crimson's In the Court of the Crimson King definitely wins here. Not only is it of historical importance, but it's just a great album. ------------- “Music is enough for a lifetime but a lifetime is not enough for music.” - Sergei Rachmaninov |
Posted By: Mirror Image
Date Posted: August 11 2014 at 15:51
Overrated? How? I don't really see how any prog album could be overrated? I mean the genre is already on the fringes of popular music. ------------- “Music is enough for a lifetime but a lifetime is not enough for music.” - Sergei Rachmaninov |
Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: August 11 2014 at 16:04
Mirror, he means overrated within the Prog genre and I happen to agree with him ------------- “War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.” ― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four "Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart |
Posted By: Mirror Image
Date Posted: August 11 2014 at 16:13
Oh, okay. I still disagree.  ------------- “Music is enough for a lifetime but a lifetime is not enough for music.” - Sergei Rachmaninov |
Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: August 11 2014 at 16:14
That's cool, it's a good record but I happen to think(in my opinion) that it may be their worst from the 70s  ------------- “War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.” ― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four "Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart |
Posted By: Mirror Image
Date Posted: August 11 2014 at 16:22
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From that period, I find In The Wake of Poseidon to be much more disappointing, but even this album has some redeeming qualities. ------------- “Music is enough for a lifetime but a lifetime is not enough for music.” - Sergei Rachmaninov |
Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: August 11 2014 at 16:24
^^^I just remembered that In the Court was released in 1969. For a second I forgot  ------------- “War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.” ― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four "Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: August 11 2014 at 16:27
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This one is between KC and Yes for me. I went with Yes because I am more likely to listen to the Yes album than the KC album. -------------
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: August 11 2014 at 17:18
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KC fo sho. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: August 11 2014 at 22:15
| King Crimson for me. Though I was tempted to vote for Ummagumma because of the Live album. However, the studio album is part of the album too, and it's got some songs I would rather not listen to. |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: August 11 2014 at 22:22
I can't stop thiking how much I dislike the use of the word overrated. I guess most people who use it just mean they don't really like an album that is generally accepted as great... but in the end it sounds (at least to me) as if you were saying that you are right and everybody else who likes said album are wrong. Just as a poll I read a while ago about "The Yes Album", which most people love and I just don't get it, but that's just about as much as I would say, that I don't like it, or it hasn't clicked with me... or perhaps I could say that I don't understand why people like it so much. But call it overrated would be disrespectful for the people who like it. |
Posted By: ole-the-first
Date Posted: August 11 2014 at 22:28
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King Crimson by a mile. People who believe it's underrated just dont get that it was the shape-former of the whole prog genre. There would be literally no progressive rock without this album, despite of all the proto-prog records from 1967–69 ------------- This night wounds time. |
Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: August 11 2014 at 23:34
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^^^ I disagree and it's most definitely not underrated ------------- “War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.” ― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four "Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: August 12 2014 at 01:19
actually you are mistaken as someone would have done an album like this eventually. Music was going this way. Fripp is not a some musical prophet but rather he was just able to process what was happening and decipher it in a coherent way. It was certainly a big bold statement that made a massive impact and helped other bands to establish themselves. Was it the most important album of that time? Yes certainly but it didn't create new music. IMO
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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: August 12 2014 at 04:57
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Ummagummagumma first, then Stand Up. ------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: BarryGlibb
Date Posted: August 12 2014 at 05:10
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The only one on this list that reached number 1 on the UK album charts. Most would know what that album is.
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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: August 12 2014 at 05:23
There would be literally no overrating without such a statement, in spite of all the attempts to do so with this album that inundated PA since 2004.-------------
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: August 12 2014 at 07:38
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Crimson by far.
That album outclasses everything else on that list imo. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: ole-the-first
Date Posted: August 12 2014 at 09:41
Not necessarily. I believe there could've been something different without Crimso's debut LP, but one has to have real talent and some special feeling of music for picking up the ingredients to create a finished genre, not just another tendency. ------------- This night wounds time. |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: August 12 2014 at 11:09
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Ummagumma for me. In the Court.., while a historically important album - is nothing more than a 3* album to me. I'm not going to feed the overrated argument towards it. ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: The Bearded Bard
Date Posted: August 12 2014 at 15:08
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Yet another one for In the Court... -------------  
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Posted By: Varon
Date Posted: August 12 2014 at 17:13
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As ITCOTCK will win for sure I'll vote fore another great album - Stand Up ------------- Would you catch the final words of mine? Would you catch my words??? |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: August 12 2014 at 17:25
I think of it like this: Remove In the Court... from modern music history and progressive rock would have ended up as something else than what we consider it to be. Remove any, or all of the other titles in the poll and it wouldn't really have made much of a difference at all.
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Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: August 12 2014 at 20:29
| ITCOCK. I'd go with Hot Rats if it were a choice. |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: August 13 2014 at 01:57
sorry I remain unconvinced although it was very important. Would Tarkus have happened if Court hadn't? Possibly but then only because Greg Lake wouldn't have met Keith Emerson not because Emerson couldn't have though it up. Remember he did Ars Longa Vita Brevis a year before Court.
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Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: August 13 2014 at 02:11
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One for Ummagumma ------------- Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours |
Posted By: Roj
Date Posted: August 13 2014 at 08:12
| ITCOTCK is of course a classic but I'll be going for one of the Floyd options (a Nice Pair they are too). The live disc of Ummagumma is by some way the best disc amongst these, it is totally outstanding with each track miles better than the studio versions - a sure fire sign of a great live album. However the studio album, whist fabulous in parts really is all over the place. That leaves More, a wonderfully atmospheric and spacey masterpiece. I know it's not popular but it's always been a big favourite of mine, one of those albums that you love whilst nobody else seems to rate it. More gets the vote (it needs it!!) |
Posted By: proggman
Date Posted: August 16 2014 at 20:10
King Crimson, In the Court of the Crimson King.------------- When he rides, my fears subside. For darkness turns once more to light. Through the skies, his white horse flies. To find a land beyond the night. |
Posted By: SquonkHunter
Date Posted: August 16 2014 at 20:33
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In The Court Of The Crimson King without question. No comparison really. While elements of Prog were being kicked around by others for a few years prior, this is where it all came together and actually became Prog. ------------- "You never had the things you thought you should have had and you'll not get them now..." |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: August 16 2014 at 20:41
| Took a bit of thought, but Crimso out of this lot. |