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Topic: Cheeky Genesis?Posted By: Matthew _Gill
Subject: Cheeky Genesis?
Date Posted: May 30 2014 at 11:44
STRICTLY FOR OVER 18'S ONLY!!!
Every time I look at the famous album cover it seems more and more obvious.
A Trick of the eye that's all?
Are Genesis secret perverts with most of their songs having subliminal sexual meanings?
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Replies: Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: May 30 2014 at 11:47
You're right, by God.
The band asked a really nice artist to draw special pictures which were a visual representation of the songs contained within the album.
Cheeky blighters, eh?
Of course, it could be that I have no idea what it is you are alluding to
EDIT. I note you added another line. I still don't know what you mean, though.
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Posted By: Matthew _Gill
Date Posted: May 30 2014 at 11:51
We followed his gaze and we thought that maybe we saw.... f**k
...no, a trick of the eye that's all,
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Posted By: Matthew _Gill
Date Posted: May 30 2014 at 12:18
TBH I think the title track is a song about endless virginity... ...and a cheeky nod towards the trick album title!
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Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: May 30 2014 at 14:06
Good eye!
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: May 30 2014 at 14:28
no clue......
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Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: May 30 2014 at 14:39
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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: May 30 2014 at 14:43
If you look closely, there is actually three of them :0
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Posted By: Xonty
Date Posted: May 30 2014 at 14:52
???
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: May 30 2014 at 15:00
The Test That Stumped Them All. Oh wait , wrong band.
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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: May 30 2014 at 15:02
If you look really closely at the inside of the gatefold cover, you discover that Peter Gabriel is no longer in the band.
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Posted By: Michael678
Date Posted: May 30 2014 at 15:05
i know nothing about this except that Hipgnosis (the guys behind the artwork) did really, really well
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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: May 30 2014 at 15:07
HolyMoly wrote:
If you look really closely at the inside of the gatefold cover, you discover that Peter Gabriel is no longer in the band.
Thus the album is bad!!!!!!!
puzzle = solved
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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: May 30 2014 at 16:13
The 'T' at the start of Trick looks like an 'F'. The 'T' at the start of Tail looks more like a 'T'.
Posted By: Matthew _Gill
Date Posted: May 30 2014 at 17:01
It incontrovertibly reads 'A Fuᴄk of the Tail' and the lyrics in the title track confirms it.
What I want to know is why? Genesis wanted a taste of the OZ mystery and came up with their own little sync?
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Posted By: Matthew _Gill
Date Posted: May 30 2014 at 17:03
Thinking about it 'Mad Man Moon' is also about Virginity or not having sex. - "Was it summer when the river ran dry, Or was it just another dam. When the evil of a snowflake in June Could still be a source of relief."
Obvious reference to masturbation.
There must be some theme to the album about fulfillment etc.
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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: May 30 2014 at 17:09
i don't see the reference to masturbation
but maybe im just not trying as hard as you to see it
i mean if relief means masturbation every time it's used
or not
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Posted By: Matthew _Gill
Date Posted: May 30 2014 at 17:17
The only drop of the white stuff in June that brings relief after a drought can only be....
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: May 30 2014 at 17:20
The first T could be a P and the second T could be a F.....If I look hard at it and add some lines.....but alas I still don't see it.
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Posted By: Matthew _Gill
Date Posted: May 30 2014 at 17:21
"And broke down the door of the cage and marched on out. He grabbed a creature by the scruff of his neck, pointing out: There, beyond the bounds of your weak imagination"
Obvious reference to masturbation. I bet there are many more in the album.
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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: May 30 2014 at 17:21
i suppose so, when said like that.
hmmmmmmm ;000000
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Posted By: Matthew _Gill
Date Posted: May 30 2014 at 17:30
"Bored of the life on the city of gold He'd left and let nobody know. Gone were the towers he had known from a child,"
Looks like a reference to leaving the womb and outgrowing breastfeeding.
"They've got no horns and they've got no tail They don't even know of our existence Am I wrong to believe in a city of gold That lies in the deep distance."
Sounds like he's describing disinterested women, no tail etc no horniness, 'our existence' seems to suggest he's thinking of his penis and girls not paying them attention, city of gold must be the vagina...
"Hello friend, welcome home."
Sound like at the end of the song the Tail (beast) entered a vagina, the place he resided 'on' as a child!
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Posted By: Matthew _Gill
Date Posted: May 30 2014 at 17:34
"After many days journey we came to a peak Where the beast gazed abroad and cried out."
Sounds like climaxing!
"And wept as they led him away to a cage
Beast that can talk, read the sign. The creatures they pushed and they prodded his frame And questioned his story again. But soon they grew bored of their prey Beast that can talk? More like a freak or publicity stunt. Oh No."
To me this passage is about a penis' owner "the beast" getting masturbated by a woman and he ultimately fails to get fully aroused so they eventually loose interest and ridicule him.
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Posted By: Matthew _Gill
Date Posted: May 30 2014 at 17:49
Actually the songs narrator could be sperm describing his owner "the beast" as having erectile dysfunction but in the end the sperm get's ejected into a vagina.
Either way it isn't about a devil like creature and cities of gold.
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Posted By: zravkapt
Date Posted: May 30 2014 at 18:11
I knew it! The members of Genesis are Satanists.
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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: May 30 2014 at 18:12
I think someone's reading too much of the wrong thing into these lyrics.....
Now why don't we analyse ELP's Love Beach lyrics instead
Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: May 30 2014 at 18:27
I wouldn't mind dancing on a volcano if you know what I mean
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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: May 30 2014 at 18:41
I've always thought the lyrics were the remainder of Genesis trying their very best to sound as cryptic and profound as Peter. Hell even Collins sounds like him singing.
I'm not really sure I agree with the interpretation on offer in this thread. The lyrics themselves are as elusive as your every day horoscope scribble. They could mean anything.
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Posted By: Matthew _Gill
Date Posted: May 30 2014 at 18:49
Guldbamsen wrote:
I've always thought the lyrics were the remainder of Genesis trying their very best to sound as cryptic and profound as Peter. Hell even Collins sounds like him singing.
I'm not really sure I agree with the interpretation on offer in this thread. The lyrics themselves are as elusive as your every day horoscope scribble. They could mean anything.
Unreleased song from 'A fu*k of the Tail' - It's Yourself.
"Hoping nobody sees
Feeling can be easy Think how I feel What will (can) you say? What will you do? Why can't you see? It's yourself I love"
Seems to be more obvious masturbation references.
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Posted By: Matthew _Gill
Date Posted: May 30 2014 at 18:56
Crikey Dance on a volcano is very salacious!
"You're halfway up and you're halfway down And the pack on your back is turning you around. Throw it away, you won't need it up there, and remember You don't look back whatever you do. Better start doing it right."
Obviously a condom his stopping him achieve full erection, he doesn't need it as the smoking? hot? woman in the song is obviously too old to conceive.
"You've got to go faster than that to get to the top. Dirty old mountain All covered in smoke,"
Sounds like a right mucky old bewer he's shagging, wants it fast to make her get to the destination too!
"Your friends didn't make it through.
Out of the night and out of the dark Into the fire and into the fight Well that's the way the heroes go, Ho! Ho! Ho! "
Looks like his friends couldn't make her climax, she must be a fat smoking prostitute!!!
"Through a crack in Mother Earth, Blazing hot, the molten rock Spills out over the land. And the lava's the lover who licks your boots away. Hey! Hey! Hey! If you don't want to boil as well."
This seems too dirty to believe, he's in the crack, she's climaxed, the lava "juice" get's him excited he's trying not to "boil" and spill over. It's all a bit relax don't do it!!!
This album is mental. I've always loved it but because it was beautiful and pretty easy listening but crikey it's pretty dark now I'm scrutinising it.
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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: May 30 2014 at 19:05
Yeah..................I'm still not really sold though:-P
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Posted By: Matthew _Gill
Date Posted: May 30 2014 at 19:06
http://songmeanings.com/songs/view/1733/#comments
songmeanings.com - they don't have a clue!
It's utter filth and nothing else.
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Posted By: smartpatrol
Date Posted: May 30 2014 at 19:07
Horizons wrote:
i don't see the reference to masturbation
but maybe im just not trying as hard as you to see it
i mean if relief means masturbation every time it's used
Posted By: Matthew _Gill
Date Posted: May 30 2014 at 19:10
"Marching to the promised land Where the honey flows and takes you by the hand Pulls you down on your knees While you're down a pool appears"
Hmm...
...I'm off to bed.
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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: May 30 2014 at 19:21
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Posted By: Matthew _Gill
Date Posted: May 30 2014 at 19:23
I'm back I can't get enough...
"But if you don't stand up you don't stand a chance.
Go a little faster now, you might get there in time."
Ok.
"A red rag hangs from an open mouth."
Oh yes, clitoris and the vagina!
"The hunter enters the forest. All are not huntsmen who can blow the huntsman's horn"
This dark Forrest isn't a shaven haven.
"I am a friend, I'd really like to play with you.
Making noises my little furry friend would make I'll trick him, then I'll kick him into my sack."
Here we go again.
"Walking home that night The sack across my back"
Limp.
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Posted By: Matthew _Gill
Date Posted: May 30 2014 at 19:34
"Not flesh nor fish nor bone A red rag hangs from an open mouth. Alive at both ends but a little dead in the middle"
Very risky from Genesis - Smelly Fishy vagina, that isn't really flesh, fish or bone. The opening works but she can't conceive. To be honest I think this is another song about prostitution. In this case it seems to be a song about an older prostitute maybe who can't have kids.
"His heart was broken long before he ever came to you. Stop your tears from falling, The trail they leave is very clear for all to see at night All to see at night."
Clearly visiting a prostitute.
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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: May 30 2014 at 19:58
Don't delay, dock the dick. Peter knew.
Posted By: Matthew _Gill
Date Posted: May 30 2014 at 20:06
Ripples obviously applies to the ripples of skin on a flaccid penis.
I believe the song Ripples is about a man who has ejaculated on a picture of a girl in a porn mag and he realiseshis penis is stopping working.
"The face in the water looks up
And she shakes her head as if to say That it's the last time you'll look like today
Sail away, away Ripples never come back Gone to the other side Sail away, sail away"
Basically the showered face in the pic is looking at him and through his ever diminishing sex-drive he's becoming no longer sexually attracted to it, he knows his member ripples are getting more common and he wishes the problem away.
"The face that launched a thousand ships
Is sinking fast, that happens you know"
Here the song makes it clear that the girl in the magazine has given him copious amounts of erections in the past. But as pointed out his desires are failing with age.
"Angels never know it's time
To close the book and gracefully decline"
He's a good guy but he needs to close the John Rorno magazine and just grow old as nature intends.
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Posted By: Matthew _Gill
Date Posted: May 30 2014 at 20:09
Tom Ozric wrote:
Don't delay, dock the dick. Peter knew.
I'm Counting Out Time to hear that song again, though I do like the sound of my Musical Box for now.
I don't believe Genesis ever wrote about sex whilst Angel Gabriel was pulling the strings.
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Posted By: Rick Robson
Date Posted: May 30 2014 at 20:12
That guitar solo in The Lamia is always nice to listen to, btw the whole track is amazing too, and everything in The Lamb is worth listening to...
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Posted By: Michael678
Date Posted: May 30 2014 at 20:57
Matthew _Gill wrote:
Actually the songs narrator could be sperm describing his owner "the beast" as having erectile dysfunction but in the end the sperm get's ejected into a vagina.
Either way it isn't about a devil like creature and cities of gold.
........what........the f**k......????
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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: May 30 2014 at 22:05
Counting Out Time :
Without you, what would a poor boy do ??
Without you, mankind handkinds through the blues.....
Pete knew.
Posted By: Kazza3
Date Posted: May 31 2014 at 00:49
So, Freud has risen from the dead and joined PA, with a new-found love for Genesis.
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: May 31 2014 at 02:28
^ No, not Genesis. Masturbation.......
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: May 31 2014 at 02:40
It's no wonder I didn't have a clue what on earth he was wittering on about when I responded yesterday.
Couldn't someone lock this nonsense, please?
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Posted By: Kirillov
Date Posted: May 31 2014 at 02:51
I've squinted at the lettering, but it still says 'Trick' to me. Then again, I could never 'see' those Magic Eye pictures that you used to find everywhere.
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: May 31 2014 at 04:11
Cheeky? Not even tongue-in-cheeky, or is that a Freudian slip of the tongue (nudge nudge, wink wink ) as well?
Okay, this is a sort of Just For Fun thread.
Find Freudian meanings in Genesis songs and art work.
Not so difficult, but an expensive hobby.
Entangled says that the nurse will present you the bill of your Freudian in depth-analysis, right?
The thread should be moved to the JFF section IMHO.
I've been mesmerized enough mysel, though.
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: May 31 2014 at 05:19
Looked like f**k to me when I first bought the album. Just the font they used of course...
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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: May 31 2014 at 05:29
I agree with the Belgian moog, so I moved this to just for fun:-)
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Posted By: Matthew _Gill
Date Posted: May 31 2014 at 05:54
lazland wrote:
It's no wonder I didn't have a clue what on earth he was wittering on about when I responded yesterday.
Couldn't someone lock this nonsense, please?
Might be for the best, I'm about to break Robbery, Assault and battery down...
"Come outside with your hands held high"
"With that he fired"
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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: May 31 2014 at 08:01
Don't lock it yet, I want to see what Ripples is really about.
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Posted By: Matthew _Gill
Date Posted: May 31 2014 at 14:41
I'm struggling to sexualise Entangled. It could be about someone suffering from priapism.
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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: May 31 2014 at 16:38
Matthew _Gill wrote:
I'm struggling to sexualise Entangled. It could be about someone suffering from priapism.
ironically, that's the one song that does mention Freud.
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Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: May 31 2014 at 16:57
I might consider it with Peter Gabriel (or more likely Ian Anderson), but think back to Invisible Touch. Phil Collins is not that subtle of a lyricist. It's all actually pretty literal as that's the only way that they have any sort of consistency. There might be some double entendres (less than you're seeing, I think) but it certainly isn't main point of the album. This is my take:
Dance on the Volcano: A man is climbing a volcano. "She can turn you to stone" is petrification via lava. The "halfway up/halfway down/pack on your back is turning you around" indicates that he is tired and is attempted to turn back. I have no idea what "crosses are green/crosses are blue" means, but I don't know how that would indicate anything sexual.
Entangled: a man goes to see a hypnotist doctor to get rid of his dreams. This one is hard to interpret because of weird phrases like "over the rooftops and houses" (if it's over the rooftops is not already over the houses, and vice versa?)
Squonk: the red rag hanging from the open mouth is blood. Red clothing is used often in poetry to indicate blood. The main character is alive at both ends and dead in the middle because he's been stabbed. The character is an animal (called a "squonk"). He is being hunted and turns into a pool of tears when the hunter gets him. The key to interpreting the song is at the end. I doubt that PC was referencing a male prostitute (pronoun "he")
Mad Man Moon: If I were going to say that there was anything nefarious about the snowflake in June, it would probably be because I assumed it was about cocaine. I'm too tired to interpret this one right now, though. It's filled with rather vague phrases.
Robbery, Assault and Battery: is about a bank robber. Easily.
Ripples is about a man going out to sea to find a land of prosperity and getting himself lost. The "pulls you down to your knees" line indicates begging and the pool that appears is the ocean. Basically, before he knows it, he's sailing off to find this land of flowing honey. Bluegirls are bodies of water.
The title track is about that satyr on the cover leaving his "city of gold" to find love, ending up in the human world and finding that they have no "horn" or "tail" like he does. They're disgusted and afraid of him, and imprison him. He escapes and goes back home and the humans see a glimmer of that city of gold. Or perhaps it's just a trick of the eye? And why would you say it isn't about a satyr leaving a city of gold? More likely that than from the perspective of a lonely sperm in an owner with erectile dysfunction.
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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: May 31 2014 at 17:31
Matthew _Gill wrote:
Tom Ozric wrote:
Don't delay, dock the dick. Peter knew.
I'm Counting Out Time to hear that song again, though I do like the sound of my Musical Box for now.
I don't believe Genesis ever wrote about sex whilst Angel Gabriel was pulling the strings.
This thread is a pile of overly sexualized poppycock and I shouldn't take the effort to post in it, but I have a weak moment. Just a few remarks:
The artwork is slightly derivative:
The original is named Stunning Cs, I presume.
The Father Tiresias-chorus in The Cinema Show is about sex.
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Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: May 31 2014 at 19:30
Matthew_Gill wrote:
Or was it just another dam.
When the evil of a snowflake in June
Could still be a source of relief
An obvious reference to masturbation
Maybe it's not about masturbation. Maybe June is a woman.
Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: May 31 2014 at 19:44
HackettFan wrote:
Matthew_Gill wrote:
Or was it just another dam.
When the evil of a snowflake in June
Could still be a source of relief
An obvious reference to masturbation
Maybe it's not about masturbation. Maybe June is a woman.
Or maybe June is a man, and sperm comes in flakes.
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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: May 31 2014 at 20:15
Maybe June is the start of the Summer season - why would there be a snowflake in Summer, and why is it evil ?? Surely Banks wouldn't be sitting there, pen in hand, thinking "now how can I word sexual references subliminally??" C'mon, these comparisons are really preposterous.
Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: May 31 2014 at 22:49
Tom Ozric wrote:
Maybe June is the start of the Summer season - why would there be a snowflake in Summer, and why is it evil ?? Surely Banks wouldn't be sitting there, pen in hand, thinking "now how can I word sexual references subliminally??" C'mon, these comparisons are really preposterous.
Before I went into linguistics I got my Bachelor's in Fine Arts. It was actually a common practice for artists to intentionally incorporate phallic symbols into artwork precisely because of prior far-fetched analyses. It was quite a conscious effort and a little joke on those who want to read an artist's subconscious. I could see Banks being of a mind to intentionally burying sexual references. Whether he actually did here... And whether it was done through the whole album... Well, it seems far-fetched to me too.
Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: May 31 2014 at 22:57
HackettFan wrote:
Tom Ozric wrote:
Maybe June is the start of the Summer season - why would there be a snowflake in Summer, and why is it evil ?? Surely Banks wouldn't be sitting there, pen in hand, thinking "now how can I word sexual references subliminally??" C'mon, these comparisons are really preposterous.
Before I went into linguistics I got my Bachelor's in Fine Arts. It was actually a common practice for artists to intentionally incorporate phallic symbols into artwork precisely because of prior far-fetched analyses. It was quite a conscious effort and a little joke on those who want to read an artist's subconscious. I could see Banks being of a mind to intentionally burying sexual references. Whether he actually did here... And whether it was done through the whole album... Well, it seems far-fetched to me too.
References? Sure. A concept album about virginity? Well...
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Posted By: Matthew _Gill
Date Posted: June 01 2014 at 05:49
Polymorphia wrote:
I have no idea what "crosses are green/crosses are blue" means, but I don't know how that would indicate anything sexual.
"On your left and on your right Crosses are green and crosses are blue Your friends didn't make it through."
It's obvious, it's a references to ejaculating early or going the distance and still not satisfying the harlot in the tail.
Green for go, blue for blue balls.
Left & right/crosses may be vague symbolisations of balls and the penis/balls combo or a term for sex I can link.
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Posted By: Matthew _Gill
Date Posted: June 01 2014 at 05:58
Polymorphia wrote:
HackettFan wrote:
Tom Ozric wrote:
Maybe June is the start of the Summer season - why would there be a snowflake in Summer, and why is it evil ?? Surely Banks wouldn't be sitting there, pen in hand, thinking "now how can I word sexual references subliminally??" C'mon, these comparisons are really preposterous.
Before I went into linguistics I got my Bachelor's in Fine Arts. It was actually a common practice for artists to intentionally incorporate phallic symbols into artwork precisely because of prior far-fetched analyses. It was quite a conscious effort and a little joke on those who want to read an artist's subconscious. I could see Banks being of a mind to intentionally burying sexual references. Whether he actually did here... And whether it was done through the whole album... Well, it seems far-fetched to me too.
References? Sure. A concept album about virginity? Well...
After more analysis I think it's more an album about sexual goals.
Seems pretty obvious at times, especially when you consider the trick, tail elements and the fact the previous album wasn't about Rael but Gabriel himself and the last song Los Endos is a tribute to Gabriel.
All seems elementary.
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Posted By: Xonty
Date Posted: June 01 2014 at 07:41
Really don't think any of this is true... You can find tons of these sorts of references on any album, practically song, if you want. Just pick out a random song that has lyrics that can be interpreted in many ways (i.e. just about every Genesis song) and I'm sure you'll find a few.
Posted By: refugee
Date Posted: June 01 2014 at 08:38
This thread is hilarious! I understand now that I’ve been misinterpreting the lyrics all the time. I thought Dance … was about carreering, Mad … was about how you always feel that what you don’t have is better than what you have, and that Ripples was about aging (btw, "The face that launched a thousand ships" is a famous quote by Christopher Marlowe, and it refers to Helen of Troy: "Was this the face that launch'd a thousand ships, / And burnt the topless towers of Ilium.").
I don’t think Robbery … is more than an attempt to write a witty Gabrielesque song in the vein of The Battle of Epping Forest. They even have a musical quote from Battle … : The lines
Amidst the battle roar, accountants keep the score
and
He's leaving via the roof, the b*****d’s got away
have the same melody.
But by all means, go on and find more sexual imagery. It’s good fun.
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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: June 01 2014 at 10:04
A Trick Of The Tail all about 'masturbation'.....who would have thought ? I can't wait to hear what Wind And Wuthering is all about.
Frankly I never really cared much for Collin's lyrics or whoever wrote them post Gabriel...and after Wind I stopped buying Genesis albums anyway.
A just for fun thread indeed.
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Posted By: refugee
Date Posted: June 01 2014 at 12:03
dr wu23 wrote:
A Trick Of The Tail all about 'masturbation'.....who would have thought ? I can't wait to hear what Wind And Wuthering is all about.
Frankly I never really cared much for Collin's lyrics or whoever wrote them post Gabriel...and after Wind I stopped buying Genesis albums anyway.
A just for fun thread indeed.
That’s easy. It’s about farting:
Whose seen the wind not you or I,
But when the ship moves she's passing by.
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Posted By: Matthew _Gill
Date Posted: June 01 2014 at 13:32
Basically wind and Wuthering is a follow up, almost a double album in the mould of Kid A/Amnesiac. It picks up the theme of sexual goals and mishaps.
"The signpost says inside me, let me bear your heavy load."
"Then comes this monster mouse"
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Posted By: Matthew _Gill
Date Posted: June 01 2014 at 13:36
All in a mouses night is about a man going out for sex with a lady of the night but he ejaculates during oral sex. 'Mouse' and 'cat' are euphemisms.
Pink Floyd used recurring themes in their albums that centered around mental illness or war. Most Genesis tracks revolved around sex or mythical tales.
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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: June 01 2014 at 13:47
Now you're just being annoying.
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Posted By: Matthew _Gill
Date Posted: June 01 2014 at 13:52
Genesis not me, the Musical Box tackles Paedophilia.
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Posted By: Matthew _Gill
Date Posted: June 01 2014 at 14:05
The palpitating cherry-red organ was returned to its rightful place and began to beat faster as it led our hero, counting out time, through his first romantic encounter.
Counting out time has been linked to sex and masturbation by many music reviewers down the years. I'm not so sure though.
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"Lilywhite Lilith, She gonna take you thru' the tunnel of night"
"I can hear a whirring sound growing near. I can see the corner of the tunnel, Lit up by whatever's coming here. Two golden globes float into the room And a blaze of white light fills the air."
Growing refers to a swelling penis making repetitive rubbing noises, seeing the corner of the tunnel is Rael watching it go in, lit up mean getting moist by Rael's increasing strokes, two golden globes floating means the tightening of the nuts and the last line is elementary.
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Posted By: Matthew _Gill
Date Posted: June 01 2014 at 14:29
The Lamia is one of the most sexual songs I've ever listened to, it symbolises a very sensual orgy.
Look at this for a song opening:
"The scent grows richer, he knows he must be near, He finds a long passageway lit by chandelier. Each step he takes, the perfumes change From familiar fragrance to flavors strange. A magnificent chamber meets his eye."
Obviously performing oral on a female. 'Chamber,' 'passageway' and 'room' are all euphemisms.
"Inside, a long rose-water pool is shrouded by fine mist. Stepping in the moist silence, with a warm breeze he's gently kissed."
Obviously she's moist from Rael stepping it up and after a soft kiss he's ready to penetrate her
"Thinking he is quite alone, He enters the room, as if it were his own,"
I think this means he's comfortable and is getting carried away
"But ripples on the sweet pink water Reveal some company unthought of..." oh oh, more female company, Rael senses it via a tightening or increased moistness!!!!
Hmm wonder if the song Ripples is a nod to this in the longing/wistful sense..
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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: June 01 2014 at 14:38
Guldbamsen wrote:
I agree with the Belgian moog, so I moved this to just for fun:-)
Yeah, Freudian slumbers shouldn't be taken too seriously.
Often they're empty of sound.
Posted By: Matthew _Gill
Date Posted: June 01 2014 at 14:44
Moogtron III wrote:
Guldbamsen wrote:
I agree with the Belgian moog, so I moved this to just for fun:-)
Yeah, Freudian slumbers shouldn't be taken too seriously.
Often they're empty of sound.
Sometimes I look at the Genesis lads of 75 and think, yeah, they aren't sleeping with many groupies. They aren't slipping it into the nectar.
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Posted By: Matthew _Gill
Date Posted: June 01 2014 at 14:51
It
The Lamb Finishes with a track called It that seemingly declares sex as the be all and end all, the meaning of life.
"When it's cold, it comes slow It is warm, just watch it grow All around me It is here, it is now
Just a little bit of it can bring you up or down Like the supper it is cooking in your hometown It is chicken, it is eggs, it is in between your legs It is walking on the moon, leaving your cocoon"
The first two lines describe a penis' reaction to temperature.
Though all this has been ascertained from the serendipity of realising an album title's trick name the salacious side of the band is explicitly obvious when you break Genesis down and get in their collective head.
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Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: June 02 2014 at 01:24
Yep, I don't think there's any doubt about the Lamb. And I think it was all quite intentional on the part of Gabriel.
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: June 02 2014 at 02:32
HackettFan wrote:
Yep, I don't think there's any doubt about the Lamb. And I think it was all quite intentional on the part of Gabriel.
Exactly
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: June 02 2014 at 02:46
The Fountain Of Salmacis is a good one to analyse.....
Posted By: Matthew _Gill
Date Posted: June 02 2014 at 04:21
"The creature crawled into the lake."
Is that possible?
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Posted By: Matthew _Gill
Date Posted: June 02 2014 at 04:48
"Listen, you know I love you, but I just can't take this, You know I love you, but I'm playing for keeps, Although I need you, I'm not gonna make this, You know I want to, but I'm in too deep."
Basically here Collins sings about a man who is making love to a woman he thinks is wanting to leave the relationship, he want's to ejaculate inside her but fears it could lead to pregnancy.
The Genesis song Tonight, Tonight is also a cleverly disguised song and it covers the topic of addiction... ...sex addiction.
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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: June 02 2014 at 05:11
^ I don't believe you.......
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: June 02 2014 at 06:22
Matthew _Gill wrote:
"And broke down the door of the cage and marched on out. He grabbed a creature by the scruff of his neck, pointing out: There, beyond the bounds of your weak imagination"
Obvious reference to masturbation. I bet there are many more in the album.
I think you need help.
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: June 02 2014 at 09:32
chopper wrote:
Matthew _Gill wrote:
"And broke down the door of the cage and marched on out. He grabbed a creature by the scruff of his neck, pointing out: There, beyond the bounds of your weak imagination"
Obvious reference to masturbation. I bet there are many more in the album.
I think you need help.
Its usually a solo venture I believe
Posted By: Matthew _Gill
Date Posted: June 02 2014 at 11:19
Tom Ozric wrote:
^ I don't believe you.......
Honest, most think it's a drug related song but it's definitely not.
"I'm coming down, coming down like a monkey, but it's alright Like a load on your back that you can't see, ooh but it's alright Try to shake it loose, cut it free, just let it go, get it away from me.
Cos tonight, tonight, tonight - oh, I'm gonna make it right Tonight, tonight, tonight - oh."
"We're gonna make it right Tonight, tonight, tonight - oh."
No matter how much he masturbates, trying to shake that load loose, he can't quench his sexual urges, he hopes a visit to a lady of the night will abate his insatiable desires.
Plenty of 'oh' and 'ooh's' thrown in for effect too.
Collins also explored extreme perversion in his song Thru These Walls:
"I can hear through these walls
I can hear it when they're foolin' around I can hear through these walls and I hear every sign, every sound I can hear through these walls In the dark with the shades pulled down Every word that they say Every move they make feels it's coming my way
My favorite moment putting the glass up next to the wall Imagination though I see nothing, I hear it all Putting my sign up do not disturb me, speak or shout, inside out Oh when my clothes, they're all laid out
I can see through my windows I can see the girls and the boys I can see through my windows and I can imagine the noise I can see through my windows I can see them playing with toys Oh I hope it won't end If I promise not to touch, just be a friend
Life is so lonely and I don't get high off just being me I like pretending wanting to touch them, wanting to see It's only normal creeping behind you, now don't shout, 'cause it's alright They keep the windows locked and the door shut tight
Oo I'm feeling like I'm locked in a cage no way in, no way out And it gets so lonely am I really asking a lot Just to reach out and touch somebody? 'Cause when I look through my windows or open my door I can feel it all around me
And I can hear through these walls I can hear it when they're foolin' 'round I can hear through these walls I can hear every sight, every sound I can hear through these walls In the dark with the shades pulled down And every word that they say Every noise they make feels it's coming my way
Ah yeah Ah yeah Ah yeah Ah yeah"
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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: June 02 2014 at 11:50
All right, you lost me with "Tonight Tonight Tonight". If that song isn't about drugs then my name ain't Nathan Arizona.
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Posted By: Matthew _Gill
Date Posted: June 02 2014 at 12:28
HolyMoly wrote:
All right, you lost me with "Tonight Tonight Tonight". If that song isn't about drugs then my name ain't Nathan Arizona.
Nope, sex addiction, Genesis are very clever. Sometimes when they performed live they'd change the lyrics around or tell stories just to confirm our suspicions!
"Ooh she's got a body under that shirt but the only thing she'll rub is my face in the dirt."
The Way we walk live revision is slightly more obvious than the studio verse!
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Posted By: Imperial Zeppelin
Date Posted: June 02 2014 at 12:39
This thread is strangely arousing.
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: June 02 2014 at 13:35
HolyMoly wrote:
All right, you lost me with "Tonight Tonight Tonight". If that song isn't about drugs then my name ain't Nathan Arizona.
He Knows, You Know
Posted By: Matthew _Gill
Date Posted: June 02 2014 at 14:01
I know what I like (in your Wardrobe)
I'm going to cut straight to the point here, it's a song about anal sex.
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Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: June 02 2014 at 14:09
I love this thread and how persistent you are
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Posted By: Kirillov
Date Posted: June 02 2014 at 14:36
Go to your room
Posted By: Matthew _Gill
Date Posted: June 02 2014 at 17:02
Denmark and Wales, I'm sure there's a connection somewhere.
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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: June 03 2014 at 00:45
And did you know that Sabbath's self-titled debut is all about a guy who had no tongue. It is, I tell ya' ....
The line 'I was born without you baby, but my feelings were a little bit too strong'. Man, poor guy, what can I say........no cunnilingus for you......
Posted By: HemispheresOfXanadu
Date Posted: June 03 2014 at 06:28
Matthew _Gill wrote:
I know what I like (in your Wardrobe)
I'm going to cut straight to the point here, it's a song about anal sex.
At the absolute most it's about a peeping tom. (From what I understand of knowing what someone likes in someone elses's wardrobe, at any rate.)
I am curious what you believe "keep them mowing blades sharp" means, though.
Wait, wait wait--I got this... it means circumcise your multiple phalluses, right?
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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: June 03 2014 at 07:03
Now you're getting the hang of it.
I said "hang".
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Posted By: HemispheresOfXanadu
Date Posted: June 03 2014 at 07:24
It was surprisingly easy.
...Oops. "Easy."
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: June 03 2014 at 08:13
richardh wrote:
chopper wrote:
Matthew _Gill wrote:
"And broke down the door of the cage and marched on out. He grabbed a creature by the scruff of his neck, pointing out: There, beyond the bounds of your weak imagination"
Obvious reference to masturbation. I bet there are many more in the album.
I think you need help.
Its usually a solo venture I believe
I didn't mean that sort of help.
Mind you...
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: June 03 2014 at 08:15
I bet you're going to tell me Whitesnake's "Slide It In" is about sex as well.
Posted By: Matthew _Gill
Date Posted: June 03 2014 at 08:28
HemispheresOfXanadu wrote:
Matthew _Gill wrote:
I know what I like (in your Wardrobe)
I'm going to cut straight to the point here, it's a song about anal sex.
At the absolute most it's about a peeping tom. (From what I understand of knowing what someone likes in someone elses's wardrobe, at any rate.)
I am curious what you believe "keep them mowing blades sharp" means, though.
Wait, wait wait--I got this... it means circumcise your multiple phalluses, right?
No, the line refers to sustaining an erection. Mowing blade!
"Sunday night, mr farmer called, said:
Listen son, you're wasting your time; there's a future for you In the fire escape trade. come up to town! But I remebered a voice from the past; Gambling only pays when you're winning - I had to thank old miss mort for schooling a failure. Keep them mowing blades sharp...
I know what I like, and I like what I know; Getting better in your wardrobe, stepping one beyond your show."
Basically Mr Farmer calling at night is his erection popping up, Genesis often use 'night' as code word for time/need for sex. Farmer equals plough/fertilizer/grow etc. Loose terms for 'giving it to someone' etc. At this point he's thinking of anal "fire escape!" to improve his sex life but a controlling female or former conquest at some stage or his life has made him a bit of a limp dick, "gambling (on anal) only pays when you hard/winning" so anal might be off the menu. He knows he prefers anal and the reference to stepping one beyond your show is to step up to the next hole.
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