Metropolis Pt. 2 or The Mountain?
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Topic: Metropolis Pt. 2 or The Mountain?
Posted By: Xonty
Subject: Metropolis Pt. 2 or The Mountain?
Date Posted: February 20 2014 at 11:14
Both of these albums are similarly rated on PA (around 4.28), and they are both heavy prog rock/metal albums with a strong concept running throughout for over an hour. Very similar in many ways, but released almost 15 years apart from each other (1999 and 2013). All I'm asking is which one is your favourite and why? Personally, I really can't decide - both constantly switch over, usually depending on which one I've heard most recently  As always, thanks for any feedback
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Posted By: Wanorak
Date Posted: February 20 2014 at 11:21
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DT. ------------- A GREAT YEAR FOR PROG!!! |
Posted By: Wanorak
Date Posted: February 20 2014 at 11:22
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Haken is a DT clone(with some differences) IMO and just do prog metal better(or least they did back then). ------------- A GREAT YEAR FOR PROG!!! |
Posted By: Wanorak
Date Posted: February 20 2014 at 11:23
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I mean DT did prog metal better lol Sorry the brain is not working this morning lol.
------------- A GREAT YEAR FOR PROG!!! |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: February 20 2014 at 12:29
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You do know there is an edit button? Haha. ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: Neo-Romantic
Date Posted: February 20 2014 at 12:35
| The Mountain for me, definitely. Metropolis isn't bad by any stretch of the mind, of course, but The Mountain just resonates with me more. The concept is much more relateable and endearing to me, and the music itself is easier to follow, IMO. |
Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: February 20 2014 at 12:40
| Definitely Dream Theater. It's not even close actually. |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: February 20 2014 at 13:08
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It's like a poll between Genesis and The Watch. DT for me. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: February 20 2014 at 14:09
| As much as I hate to vote for Dream Theater, Haken interests me even less than them |
Posted By: m2thek
Date Posted: February 20 2014 at 14:48
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Either of Haken's first two albums would win this for me, but not The Mountain. ------------- Matt |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: February 20 2014 at 15:06
| I don't see that much comparision to be honest. Haken are very ambitious but are struggling to bring out an original idea. That said they are still more interesting than DT ever were. |
Posted By: Metalmarsh89
Date Posted: February 20 2014 at 16:10
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I don't really see Dream Theater and Haken being that similar, aside from the prog metal tag. Actually, PA even lists Haken as heavy prog. Sure Haken was probably influenced by Dream Theater somewhat, but they are their own band, not a DT copy. ------------- Want to play mafia? Visit http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com" rel="nofollow - here . |
Posted By: Metalmarsh89
Date Posted: February 20 2014 at 16:12
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Oh, almost forgot. I think I'll vote Dream Theater. This is a tough choice, and The Mountain is very, very good, but Scenes from a Memory has already stood the test of time for me. ------------- Want to play mafia? Visit http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com" rel="nofollow - here . |
Posted By: The Bearded Bard
Date Posted: February 20 2014 at 16:19
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Easily DT. -------------  
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: February 20 2014 at 16:29
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DT, though the Mountain is enjoyable. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: February 20 2014 at 17:11
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Both are great, but Haken's album appeals most to me. ------------- 
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Posted By: PabstRibbon
Date Posted: February 20 2014 at 17:47
| I'm not a fan of both bands but I must say that I prefer DT. I can still enjoy some Haken but little dose only |
Posted By: proggman
Date Posted: February 21 2014 at 01:49
I don't think The Mountain is a concept album. If it's a concept album, what's the concept? ------------- When he rides, my fears subside. For darkness turns once more to light. Through the skies, his white horse flies. To find a land beyond the night. |
Xonty wrote:Posted By: Neo-Romantic
Date Posted: February 21 2014 at 01:55
| ^Not as concrete a narrative as the one in Metropolis, but it nonetheless has a unifying concept. It centers around the abstract journey "up the mountain" we all experience. It depicts the struggles of climbing, falling, picking oneself back up, and pressing onward with each piece evoking a different mood and capturing a different point of this journey. |
Posted By: proggman
Date Posted: February 21 2014 at 02:05
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So basically it's a theme and not a concept. I think a concept album needs to have a story and or a musical motif that reappears through the album.
------------- When he rides, my fears subside. For darkness turns once more to light. Through the skies, his white horse flies. To find a land beyond the night. |
Posted By: ole-the-first
Date Posted: February 21 2014 at 03:37
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Metropolis Pt. 2
------------- This night wounds time. |
Posted By: Neo-Romantic
Date Posted: February 21 2014 at 11:54
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I see what you mean. It does, however, have both of those things. Even if it may not be an operatic album featuring characters and settings like Metropolis, a story can still be detected in the tracking of the narrator's climb, fall, catharsis, etc. with each new track. Also, there is motivic recollection. Off the top of my head, the main theme from the first track does reappear, and that's not counting any thematic variation that goes on. It's a pretty deep album. |
Posted By: King Manuel
Date Posted: February 21 2014 at 13:14
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Although Metropolis Prt II is not exactly my favourite DT album I still prefer it way above Haken's Mountain. ------------- Don't Bore Us, Get To The Chorus |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: February 21 2014 at 13:32
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Personally, I prefer Billy the Mountain. And his stunning wife Ethell, of course. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: Metalmarsh89
Date Posted: February 21 2014 at 14:57
Well there is a story. It doesn't fall into the rock opera category that Metropolis, being that the connections are a little more vague, but the ideas here are stronger than just a recurring theme, hence why it is a concept. ------------- Want to play mafia? Visit http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com" rel="nofollow - here . |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: February 21 2014 at 16:40
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The Mountain is a fantastic album, my #2 of 2013.....but no competition to Scenes. Scenes is a full concept album it has a storyline, begining, middle, end..defined, great story and brilliant musicianship. I don't see the references to DT and Haken either, but no problem, that's just me. Portnoy era DT will always win over Haken....but post Portnoy DT looses easily to Haken, hands down. -------------   
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: February 21 2014 at 23:05
| I have been enjoying Haken a lot with their 3 albums, and even though I like theam all better than almost any album from Dream Theater (except perhaps for Train of Thought... or the firs CD on 6 Degrees), I still feel I like Dream Theater better. Still, among this two albums as a whole, I like "The Mountain" better. |
Posted By: proggman
Date Posted: February 22 2014 at 18:19
Looks like I've confused concept album with rock opera. A concept album doesn't need to be a rock opera, but a rock opera in recorded form must be a concept album. Thank you for making me understand that The Mountain is a concept album.  ------------- When he rides, my fears subside. For darkness turns once more to light. Through the skies, his white horse flies. To find a land beyond the night. |
Posted By: Neo-Romantic
Date Posted: February 23 2014 at 01:34
^You're very welcome! I'm so glad I could contribute And I really respect you for saying that. You're a good man. God bless you sir. 
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Posted By: proggman
Date Posted: February 23 2014 at 16:22
Thank you, now I am feeling very happy. 
------------- When he rides, my fears subside. For darkness turns once more to light. Through the skies, his white horse flies. To find a land beyond the night. |
Posted By: javajeff
Date Posted: February 25 2014 at 19:59
| I like the Mountain, but I enjoy Haken's other two albums more. |
Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: February 25 2014 at 21:02
| Metropolis Pt.2 |