The dad-prog appreciation zone!
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Topic: The dad-prog appreciation zone!
Posted By: M27Barney
Subject: The dad-prog appreciation zone!
Date Posted: January 16 2014 at 10:32
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Right OK - So if Comedy of Errors - "Fanfare & Fantasy" is to be the paradigm for CD's in this fairly General Genre...What other CD's are in this collection? ------------- Play me my song.....Here it comes again....... |
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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: January 16 2014 at 10:44
Brilliant thread title Barney, and I hope you don't think of my "dad-prog" term as being too derogatory. It was said tongue-in-cheek. Another one that could qualify is I and Thou's Speak, an album I really dig actually thanks to my friend who kept playing it for me. Anyway, it's got all of the characteristics of what I'd call dad-prog, yet here it works for me
 ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: M27Barney
Date Posted: January 16 2014 at 11:04
I suppose there will be some grumpy-old-men on this site - who may take offence, they'll be mumbling about young whipper-snappers not being around when Gabriel was a lad... 
I just thought it was funny - my son's are always taking the piss out of what I wear/listen to/watch on telly - so it's like water off a ducks back, I am just wondering if CoE first CD is as good - I ordered it a week ago and it still hasn't arrived Grrrrr..... ------------- Play me my song.....Here it comes again....... |
Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: January 16 2014 at 11:07
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I can't say I have any recommendations as this is not really my strong area, but I just wanted to applaud the very idea of this thread. ------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: January 16 2014 at 11:11
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Cheers, I'm glad you feel that way.
If I remember correctly, the debut got equally positive reviews when it first got out - and in the wake of the second album, even more folks chimed in to sing it's praises. My guess is that you're in for a real treat.
------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: January 16 2014 at 11:16
| Bah, humbug, my son always asks me what albums are new and good. He grew up with Dad's music which meant every genre under the prog banner, which translates to his latest find Wishbone ash...Argus instead of Katy perry's roar. |
Posted By: Roj
Date Posted: January 16 2014 at 11:27
Count me in  . Great idea for a thread.Can I nominate Big Big Train, and especially EE Part 2, the epitome of pipe-and-slippers prog. |
Posted By: M27Barney
Date Posted: January 16 2014 at 11:33
I have that on vinyl - The flying saucer & Guard with helmet & spear - Brilliant cover and good solid hard rock if I remember - must get it on CD when I get a round tuit! ------------- Play me my song.....Here it comes again....... |
timothy leary wrote:Posted By: M27Barney
Date Posted: January 16 2014 at 11:37
I am going to have to buy that now - I have part I which wasn't too memorable on the first spin - I am going to have a re-spin me-thinks. ------------- Play me my song.....Here it comes again....... |
Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: January 16 2014 at 11:39
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Here is a candidate, mom will like this too
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Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: January 16 2014 at 11:50
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and I loooooooooooove it! ------------- |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: January 16 2014 at 11:58
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I think that a good chunk of Neo, modern Symphonic, and a dose of crossover would all fit under the dad-prog banner. Currently listening to Magenta's The Twenty Seven Club and this certainly fits the bill.
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Posted By: bloodnarfer
Date Posted: January 16 2014 at 12:04
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This thread is my hero. Make a new sub please. for neo how about IQ - Frequency and Pendragon - Pure. Sounded pretty 'dad proggy' if I understand the term, but sometimes you're just in the mood. Lots of modern symph... do the Flower Kings count as dad prog? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ramza1316" rel="nofollow - www.last.fm/user/ramza1316 https://open.spotify.com/user/1211221845" rel="nofollow - https://open.spotify.com/user/1211221845 |
Posted By: M27Barney
Date Posted: January 16 2014 at 12:15
I was just thinking about this logically (as you do) - I reckon that any CD that has a sudden burst of "strangeness" cannot be classified as dad-prog. Thus a track like "I am the Sun" (Pt 1) is happily trundling down the dad-prog rails then...whammo - you have a weird-bit, I am not averse to a bit of ambience but "SILLYNESS" is not allowed (Imagine the bowler hatted geezer from Monty Python at this juncture) - Or league of gentlemen - "Whats all this, this is a dad-prog track for proggy-dads" WE'LL have no STRANGENESS here !!!  ------------- Play me my song.....Here it comes again....... |
Posted By: M27Barney
Date Posted: January 16 2014 at 12:18
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Oh, and I approve of the "Bluebells" track -Nice to see that they happily repeat the title of the song - all the way through - very thoughtful of those dads with the on-set of Alzheimer's - Don't want dad forgetting the title do we !!! ------------- Play me my song.....Here it comes again....... |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: January 16 2014 at 12:33
| I've always thought Alan Parson's Project had a 'dad-prog' vibe to it..... |
Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: January 16 2014 at 12:45
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How about Happy the Man? They go down easy with the morning coffee and paper. They're also one of the few prog bands my dad (nearing age 70) likes, so there's something. Of course, he also likes King Crimson's Lizard, so you never know. ------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: January 16 2014 at 13:37
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Love it To the excellent suggestions thus far, how about the likes of Nick Magnus, David Minasian, and, of course, the great Marillio's. Discerning music for the discerning Dad ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: M27Barney
Date Posted: January 16 2014 at 13:58
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David Minasian, I think I have that in my collection too....Jebus! I've got dad-prog permeating throughout my CD collection. Have I suddenly morphed into that late-middle aged man who fantasizes about doing a spot of market-gardening with Felicity Kendall ??? ------------- Play me my song.....Here it comes again....... |
Posted By: silverpot
Date Posted: January 16 2014 at 15:18
I'd like to nominate Airbag. I've just discovered them and since I like it, it must be Dad-prog. 
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: January 16 2014 at 16:13
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Glass Hammer Gordon Giltrap and Oliver Wakeman and I enjoy David Minasian , Nick Magnus , Big Big Train occasionally I take a trip on the wild side with Kansas or Kayak
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Posted By: proggman
Date Posted: January 16 2014 at 17:01
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I really like this dad-prog. Maybe I should also say that I am not a dad. ------------- When he rides, my fears subside. For darkness turns once more to light. Through the skies, his white horse flies. To find a land beyond the night. |
Posted By: infocat
Date Posted: January 16 2014 at 22:53
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Hopefully soon to be added to PA, http://lostkite.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - Lost Kite is some real dad prog, being the product of a father/son team! Listening to Fanfare & Fantasy right now, FWIW! ------------- -- Frank Swarbrick Belief is not Truth. |
Posted By: BirdzzZ on day Flu
Date Posted: January 17 2014 at 00:47
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I've always thought of dad-prog as falling more in place with dad-rock or like cheap art rock. Pink Floyd is the perfect dad-prog band imo: progressive but radio friendly. Money the dad-prog anthem. Songs with that kind of accessible quirkiness dads use to impress their 13 year old kids. |
Posted By: Roj
Date Posted: January 17 2014 at 03:06
Rob, I'd recommend you to definitely not buy EE Part2. It's nowhere near as good as Part 1. Apart from the opening track it's pretty lame and watered down in comparison. If you didn't like Part 1 then Part 2 is a total no no. Part 2 is a real step down after the quality of their last 3 releases, in my humble opinion. Whilst BBT fit the bill perfectly, my post was not meant to be complimentary of Part 2 which is as I pipe-and-slippers prog, as opposed to dad prog . |
Posted By: M27Barney
Date Posted: January 17 2014 at 05:35
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I listened to part I last night and I was far more impressed than I was for the first spin that's for sure. I also took out Lifesigns and will have to listen to the Shadow Circus that I found whilst filing away the new one I'd bought. I still have a couple of dozen CD's that I haven't spun! And probably 100 that I have spun just once!!! ------------- Play me my song.....Here it comes again....... |
Posted By: VOTOMS
Date Posted: January 17 2014 at 05:41
| My dad favorites are U2 and Talking Heads. Nowadays, he listen to Foo Fighters and Red Hot Chilli Peppers. |
Posted By: infandous
Date Posted: January 17 2014 at 12:24
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Well, The Flower Kings can't qualify, as they are so far the only band I've played for my 12 year old son that didn't get a negative reaction. His exact words were, "this music isn't too bad Dad". Usually he asks me to turn it down / off / switch to his favorite radio station. As to Dad Prog in general, I applaud this thread! Though I'm not really a fan of much of what is being categorized here as Dad Prog, I do like IQ (who certainly fit that category), but they are my one concession to Neo Prog.........the rest I find terribly dull. I have listened to the Fanfare & Fantasy CD (loaned to me from a friend), and so far it does nothing for me and strikes me as "typical" Neo Prog. |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: January 17 2014 at 12:26
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The Flower Kings pretty much sums up dad-prog for me, but then again that's just me. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: January 17 2014 at 12:31
| A non Dad trying to describe the pinnacle of Dad prog, what are you going to do with these whippersnappers^ |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: January 17 2014 at 12:37
| This Dad is really not a fan of dad-prog. |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: January 17 2014 at 12:38
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^but he sorta gets the gist of the term? ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: uduwudu
Date Posted: January 18 2014 at 02:42
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Oh, a Dad prog moment from Alan Parsons Project. "What shall we do now the kids have left home" - has that vibe to it, from Eye In The Sky. I suppose it's a good thing. (Un)fortunately I'm a non parent (afaik) I cannot be truly, madly sure so I s'pose that fits... |
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: January 18 2014 at 02:54
Kayak, yes, those young'uns don't always know how to appreciate a band like that. Not wildly innovating, no, but does it always have to be? (Hum) In this rat race which we see so often in life, shouldn't prog be an oasis of calmness? Mind you, those Kayakians know how to rock. But even their calmer albums have beauty in it (e.g. Phantom Of The Night) And they did a unique thing... they started a second career once their children were out of the house. At least then you have time to develop your music. Because music needs to develop calmly, those youngsters don't always realize! All those modern bands which keep releasing albums with more than an hour music on it... Long live the slow movement... Easy does it (hum)...
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Posted By: Aussie-Byrd-Brother
Date Posted: January 18 2014 at 03:08
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Pretty much Yes' `Fly From Here' and Crimson's `Scarcity of Miracles' define dad-prog for me. So `bland' and `pleasing'....
I do listen to them once in a while, amd I don't actually think they're bad as such, just.... |
Posted By: Rick Robson
Date Posted: January 18 2014 at 04:05
I've listened to quite a few of these dad-prog, but I soon wipe their names from my memory... For example this occured when I listened to Magenta's SEVEN (The Instrumentals) album, the only song I could retain was an instrumental version of "Envy" with it's "calm down" melody, and from The Twenty Seven Club I listened to two songs and can not even remember their names too.. -------------  "Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy." LvB |
Posted By: infandous
Date Posted: January 20 2014 at 11:28
Huh, that seems odd to me. They are not "smooth" or predictable (unless you don't really listen to their albums from start to finish....if you just take the tunes that are most popular from them, you might think this I guess) . They delve into multiple genres, from jazz to avant guard, blues to classical, German ambient to mainstream pop. Of course, all of this is just opinion from both of us. However, I got into the Flower Kings when I was still in my 20's and had no children or a wife. Therefore, they don't qualify as dad-prog |
Posted By: infandous
Date Posted: January 20 2014 at 11:29
Have yet to hear the Fripp 'Scarcity of Miracles' (it's not a King Crimson album, never was meant to be anyway), but I think a better genre for Fly From Here would be Geriatric Prog |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: January 21 2014 at 00:58
No, you're right. FFH is uninspiring. There's that one nice part in the second-longest song, but could it be because that's the one thing touched by Oliver W. on the entire album, or...? The title "epic" is forgettable and some stuff on the album is downright embarrassing. It's not even as good as Talk. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: M27Barney
Date Posted: January 21 2014 at 10:25
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I still haven't got the first CoE CD yet....might be coming from ulan-bator or some where like that! I think that a lot of more modern symph/neo prog bands are sort of in horns of a dilemma ! - Do they do stuff very 70's derivative and get slaughtered! or do they try and be more experimental and produce a pile of horse-sh*t....(This is because I just don't like experimental stuff - this is a very dad-proggish way of looking at it I suppose.) ------------- Play me my song.....Here it comes again....... |
Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: January 22 2014 at 04:13
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I got partly into progressive rock through my father being a Procol Harum fan, so I guess they count. On a serious note, I'm not sure exactly what is the definition of "dad rock". Is it just a catchall slang term for classic rock, or does it mean music from that era that doesn't appeal to younger generations too? ------------- "The past is not some static being, it is not a previous present, nor a present that has passed away; the past has its own dynamic being which is constantly renewed and renewing." - Claire Colebrook |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: January 22 2014 at 06:31
Well it seems that we hear this music differently. I have tried time and again with Flower Power, The Sum of no Evil and Banks of Eden and the one thing that I personally feel is omnipresent, is a distinct 'smoothness' to the overall sound, as well as the good old trusty game called "spot the influence". I do rather enjoy some of the instrumentals sections, but similarly to a group like Transatlantic, I still have to wade through vocals that I really can't stand, sorry Stolt and Morse fans. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: January 22 2014 at 06:46
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I get the feeling that the whole definition of "dad-prog" is generation-dependent. If I have to define dad-prog based on my own perception, I think that Big Big Train's Leopards is a fine example. It may be hardly prog, or not at all, but I can imagine my late old man listening to such a song on a Saturday morning between eleven and twelve.
But that was one generation ago. My daughter (18) calls everything that is proggier than The Beatles or Muse "beaver-music". If that is a synonym for dad-prog it is rather a super- than a subgenre. Speaking for myself, I think "dad-prog" would apply mostly to an album like Fright Pig's Out of the Barnyard because the music on this album has a strong 70's feel (which is no wonder: Fright Pig uses only keyboards from 1983 and before). ------------- 
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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: January 22 2014 at 07:03
As a cantankerous old man who thinks that music sufficiently Prog enough
to fill its own bra disappeared circa 1979, I can only endorse this
brilliantly titled thread. (Though I don't have kids and have never considered breast feeding a spectator sport - which is probably why I abhor the likes of Wobbler, Black Bonzo, Areknames et al as lactose intolerant retro teat hoggers) When I was your age, I was your age. I guess that Dad Prog would be maybe Snow Goose by Camel (which I love) or anything by that Oldfield chap or the Moody Blues (both of whom I loathe heartily) . These three examples share the stylistic qualities of gentle, tonic and conservative music but GOOD gentle, tonic and conservative music trumps S.H.I.T gentle, tonic and conservative music every time. (irrespective of genre so give me Abba/Copland over Beefheart/Webern any day) However, Junior Prog can be every bit as bland and anodyne as Dad Prog surely? (Big Big Train, Riverside, Dream Theater etc) Is Neo considered Dad Prog also? (I hope so as it sucks hugely) The implication that music deemed to be progressive and created in 20XX is somehow less conservative or taking bigger risks than any precursor from 40 years before is palpably ridiculous. Fripp was correct: in the 1970's we had a market economy, we now have a market society. ------------- 
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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: January 22 2014 at 07:08
True. Though what is this German Ambient? ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: M27Barney
Date Posted: January 22 2014 at 11:02
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In response - Horizons - Aye Transatlantic - The Whirlwind - the music is truly magnificent - but the Christian "Jesus loves you! and is the panacea for all the ills of modern society" basically crawls down my urethra and irritates more than Non-specific urethritis!!!
Lemming - I too love Snow Goose, but I also Love Riverside and DT !!! Someone else - Beaver Music ??? - To me "Beaver" possibly means something different than to your 18 YO Daughter Thus that would be music for wimmin - i.e. Boybands & sh*t like that !!!------------- Play me my song.....Here it comes again....... |
Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: January 22 2014 at 13:54
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Kate Bush is Dad Prog for many reasons. ------------- Help me I'm falling! |
Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: January 23 2014 at 05:35
Probably referring to the progressive electronic music that came out of the Kosmische Musik subculture ("Krautrock" to non-Teutons): Ashra, Cluster, Klaus Schulze, Tangerine Dream etc. ------------- "The past is not some static being, it is not a previous present, nor a present that has passed away; the past has its own dynamic being which is constantly renewed and renewing." - Claire Colebrook |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: January 23 2014 at 05:56
She gave me the nickname "beaver" some years ago. And now that she is studying to become an English teacher it won't be long before she becomes aware of the connotation of this word in anglophone countries, which has entered only recently into my mind  .-------------
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Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: January 23 2014 at 06:02
I just think of this: ------------- "The past is not some static being, it is not a previous present, nor a present that has passed away; the past has its own dynamic being which is constantly renewed and renewing." - Claire Colebrook |
Posted By: infandous
Date Posted: January 23 2014 at 11:01
Yes, exactly. I couldn't think of the correct title. "Krautrock" is a bit too broad, and includes bands that did symphonic prog, psychedelic freak out, and other sub-genres; so I didn't want to use that. Progressive Electronic was what I was going for (a minor influence for TFK's, but still present). |
Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: January 23 2014 at 11:22
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