Robert Fripp or Tony Iommi
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Topic: Robert Fripp or Tony Iommi
Posted By: Icarium
Subject: Robert Fripp or Tony Iommi
Date Posted: January 14 2014 at 08:20
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Posted By: LSDisease
Date Posted: January 14 2014 at 08:28
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Iommi. He isn't a virtuoso I just prefer Black Sabbath. Even as a prog fan.
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: January 14 2014 at 08:40
| Who the hell is Tommy Iommy? |
Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: January 14 2014 at 08:48
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In a prog site it's an easy win for Fripp, but not so obvious for me.
I'm gonna bail out and vote both! |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: January 14 2014 at 08:51
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Iommi. Or at least I assume Iommy means Iommi. Anyway, the guy missing the tips of his fingers that played for Black Sabbath. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: January 14 2014 at 08:55
| Fripp--he's not one of my favs but he is innovative. |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: January 14 2014 at 09:18
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Nothing wrong with Yummy Yummy... er... Tony Iommi, but I agree with twosteves. ------------- 
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Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: January 14 2014 at 09:39
| Both great guitarists/composers on their own right. Fantastic musicians and innovators, with very different styles of music, but highly influential for the generations to come, so don't ask me to choose between them. |
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: January 14 2014 at 10:34
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: January 14 2014 at 10:35
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Fripp, but then I prefer King Crimson to Sabbath. Totally different styles. Difficult to compare really. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: January 14 2014 at 11:07
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Everything King Crimson related > Everything Black Sabbath related. ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: January 14 2014 at 11:16
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Both, for entirely different reasons though. One for brute hellish feel and thunderous sound - the other for the imagination. Btw I moved this to the right forum. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Xonty
Date Posted: January 14 2014 at 11:35
So close, so I went for both 
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Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: January 14 2014 at 14:00
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Both are my favourites and a matter of heart. Both are pioneers of their genres. Tony is the King of Riffs, Bobby is the King of Prog. I can't decide. ------------- A Elbereth Gilthoniel silivren penna míriel o menel aglar elenath! Na-chaered palan-díriel o galadhremmin ennorath, Fanuilos, le linnathon nef aear, sí nef aearon! |
Posted By: Roj
Date Posted: January 14 2014 at 14:01
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Now this really is a bizarre one.
Iommi for me. |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: January 14 2014 at 14:01
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Fripp of course. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: January 14 2014 at 14:10
------------- A Elbereth Gilthoniel silivren penna míriel o menel aglar elenath! Na-chaered palan-díriel o galadhremmin ennorath, Fanuilos, le linnathon nef aear, sí nef aearon! |
Blacksword wrote:Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: January 14 2014 at 14:28
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Too easy......Iommi. The only place where I resonate with Fripp is on Red. For me all other albums everyone else is head and shoulders over Fripp, great creativity. Iommi is wayyyyyy more influencial and better. -------------   
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Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: January 14 2014 at 14:30
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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: January 14 2014 at 14:46
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Posted By: proggman
Date Posted: January 14 2014 at 16:16
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One vote for Tommy Fripp. I mean both.
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Posted By: adace1
Date Posted: January 14 2014 at 16:18
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Iommi.
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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: January 14 2014 at 17:01
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Wow. Two wildly different, groundbreaking guitarists in two different genres...!
Fripp has done some amazing stuff, as we all know, but Tony's tone and approach to a hard guitar style has resonated so deeply throughout the rock world (not to mention I own more Sabbath albums than KC albums!!!), that I have to go with Mr. Iommi. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: January 14 2014 at 17:49
| Fripp for me. |
Posted By: ole-the-first
Date Posted: January 14 2014 at 17:50
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I love Iommi's style and sound, but Robert Fripp is indisputable.
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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: January 14 2014 at 18:49
| Robert. The man has given us different worlds of guitar music. |
Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: January 14 2014 at 19:12
| Fripp |
Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: January 15 2014 at 11:40
 ------------- A Elbereth Gilthoniel silivren penna míriel o menel aglar elenath! Na-chaered palan-díriel o galadhremmin ennorath, Fanuilos, le linnathon nef aear, sí nef aearon! |
Posted By: schizoidman
Date Posted: January 15 2014 at 14:46
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Fripp. ------------- Making the useless useful 24/7. |
Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: January 15 2014 at 14:59
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Tom Me Oh My !
Alright, only joking, Frippin Heck! ------------- Help me I'm falling! |
Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: January 16 2014 at 02:25
This but in reverse ------------- “War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.” ― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four "Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: January 16 2014 at 03:22
I am not reading wrong, he's edited it since my post (which is why the OP says "fixed" and has an edit). The least you can do is get the guy's name right. |
Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: January 16 2014 at 06:14
Exactly, so a comparison? 
These two guys could arguably be described as the inventors of their particular genres, so their influence within progressive rock & heavy metal cannot be understated. Further, they're both still writing & performing music to (varied) critical acclaim. The masters: 
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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: January 16 2014 at 06:20
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I corrected the thread title. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: January 16 2014 at 06:41
Thanks, i show my blunt ignorance  -------------
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Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: January 16 2014 at 08:45
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They are both innovators of inventive styles on guitar that changed the way music was being played prior to the surfacing of the 2 in the music business. They are both important regarding change.
Technique is a entire different observation. First of all...Fripp was very schooled or sounded extremely schooled dating back to 68' on the Giles, Giles, & Fripp album. Tony Iommi had a short spell with Jethro Tull during that time and I'm unsure if he was to Fripp's level then. I believe he appears on the film "Rock n' Roll Circus"? Fripp had an amazing technique early on with cross picking 24 notes of the Tri Tone ..Devil's interval and then in reverse with absolute precision like a Jazz guitarist. I'm unsure if Tony Iommi was playing this sort of guitar style and it's possible that Fripp was more advanced.
Iommi may have had no interest in playing that way and in some sense..it is pointless to bring this to the table..however ..it comes to mind due to the extreme difference between the 2 of them regarding technique. Iommi had damaged his hand and he had a lot going for him in the area of re-development. He must get credit for that because it's a task that many musicians may have dismissed and threw in the towel. Iommi progressed as a player on Heaven & Hell. That was obvious. He even changed his sound a bit. His licks were faster and cleaner by that point in time. Fripp had been playing pieces by Paganini in the 60's and Iommi may have been playing more of a Blues style then...which...is self explanatory as to how he may have impressed Jethro Tull and got the gig. What I've heard from Mick Abrahams on This Was really didn't differ all that much from Iommi's abilities as a guitarist. Martin Barre also added a heavy attack on bass strings...just like Iommi did on Master of Reality. Iommi had a "hot lick" style where he added trills between note passages and it was appealing for the times. He may be more progressive than any of us are aware of today. I pick both. |
Posted By: AEProgman
Date Posted: January 16 2014 at 15:59
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^ Nice insight Toddler! This Apples and Oranges to me, so I pick both...
I almost referenced a poor attempt at humor with The Who's - Tommy in here, but I see Aginor has had enough grief..... ------------- 
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Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: January 16 2014 at 17:53
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Fripp is better but I like Sabbath more during the 70s. ------------- All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock. |
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: January 16 2014 at 17:57
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: January 16 2014 at 18:40
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Is Iommis playing technic, is it alternate picking or crosspicking, he is verry delicate and elegant in his lefthand playing, intricate -------------
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Posted By: Genital Giant
Date Posted: January 16 2014 at 22:16
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Well, if we are talking as Prog guitarist than Fripp, no question. Iommi is a heavy metal guitarist and he's better at making killer riffs. If you want to talk technique than that's also Fripp by a mile. Fripp's right-hand picking technique is at a level that maybe only a handful of guitarists in the world could replicate. |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: January 16 2014 at 22:45
| Gotta go with Tommy |
Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: January 17 2014 at 07:58
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Posted By: VOTOMS
Date Posted: January 17 2014 at 08:04
| As a guitar player, I respect Iommi and he was kinda impressive with his hand. But Fripp is Fripp, he's the badass amongst badasses |
Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: January 17 2014 at 08:20
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I'm really going off thread to announce some insight on my personal experience with the social environment in 1971, but hell....we are on the subject of Iommi so be it. In 71' I was 15 years old, had just purchased the first Black Sabbath album...and was attempting to learn the songs on guitar like a few other kids in my age group. There were hippies all around me and not just my older sister's friends..but in school. They were seniors and when we brought our albums to school for music class...they picked on us. I still recall those shrude remarks at age 15 ...."Hey kid...that album you have?" "It really sucks!" "That guitar player is horrible!" "He can't play like Clapton". Clapton is God had only been written on a wall in London England (I believe?), a few years before and the majority of the hippie movement made fun of bands like Sabbath and linked them in with the NO TALENT of Grand Funk Railroad.
The pressure was on us from the hippies to dislike the music of Sabbath. If you listen to the band Mountain playing "Blood of the Sun" on the Woodstock recordings, after the applause there is silence...where upon some snooty character screams out very clearly...."They suck!" Many hippies on the east coast of the U.S. disliked the heavier bands and hated the fact that they would over throw the more melodic psychedelic and British Blues Boom scene. All of my sister's hippie friends complained about it at my parents house. That was a strange time for a 15 year old to live in. I liked Peter Green , Mike Bloomfield, and John Mayall....but Sabbath seemed like it invaded their good time. Now...that is strange to think of. It seems like a reality that never existed and it surely did. I wonder if that went down in England as well? |
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: January 17 2014 at 08:35
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here is some nice guitarplaying Toddler -------------
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Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: January 17 2014 at 09:04
| Thanks for posting this vid! Very cool! Don't forget to read my last post on the thread Black Sabbath vs. Rush. I remember a vid where Iommi was pulling gifts out of a bag. He pulls out a book on witchcraft and he says.."I'm not going to say anything". He was well aware of the hype and accusations of the band for years and needed to say that. I think it's hilarious. |
Posted By: MonsterMagnet
Date Posted: January 17 2014 at 14:22
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Incomparable... but I prefer Fripp by a mile
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Posted By: uduwudu
Date Posted: January 17 2014 at 23:35
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Tommy, (really, Tommy?) (sic) and Bob (well as he used to be) Fripp are both great examples of how youcan get an electric guiatr, plug it in (the important bit before the strumming) and get two unique identities that I would not be withoutin my collection. |
Posted By: Imperial Zeppelin
Date Posted: March 08 2014 at 01:44
| Fripp is the King |
Posted By: uduwudu
Date Posted: March 08 2014 at 02:14
He is. Iommi used not just the tri tone but minor major 7th intervals in his work. This is how he generates his riffs and gives Sabbath that rather unique sound some try and copy and fail. It's not just detuning guitars for heaviness. The Rock And Roll Doctor didn't get his honorary doctorate for just keeping Sabbath on a resuscitator in the 80s you know.  Just wonder why Fripp has no honorary doctorate or knighthood... Naturally both gents are essential listening. |
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: March 08 2014 at 02:26
Fripp gets my vote, inc. for most Grumpy "prog God" 
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Posted By: Kentucky_Hawkwindage
Date Posted: March 08 2014 at 14:50
| Extremely tuff call...............Let me think.....................Mr. Iommi gets my vote.I was cranking Black Sabbath up long,long before i discovered King Crimson.What's ironic is i now listen to K.C. more than Sabbath. Uh i think we all knew the Poll maker meant "Tony". |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: March 08 2014 at 16:11
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Both good guitarists for sure , but being a KC fan I gotta go with Fripp.
And Sabbath only wishes they ever made an album as truly heavy as Red.
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Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: March 08 2014 at 19:51
| Robert Fripp. I like Sabbath, but Tony Iommi's playing is not anything special. |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: March 08 2014 at 23:48
And here comes the good ol' No True Scotsman fallacy. It's quite infallible as a fallback though. I wonder what truly heavy is supposed to mean. There is no rock album (that is prog plus non prog) that I love more than Red but I don't think it is as heavy as Dehumanizer. There's a video of a concert that aginor posted and it helps for the sake of comparison. Unfortunately, post-Ozzy Sabbath is for whatever reason excluded from discussion as if that band didn't exist. Red was tremendously heavy for 1974. But 1992 even Dehumanizer was just heavy metal.
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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: March 08 2014 at 23:50
| FWIW, there's even a War Pigs-like riff lurking in the background during the beautiful saxophone solo on One More Red Nightmare. Black Sabbath could well have been the inspiration for Fripp wanting to make a 'heavy metal' album. I don't know that he has confirmed that and given that he tends to describe any regular rock guitarist as some loathsome hairy creature, I wouldn't be surprised if he hasn't. |
Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: March 12 2014 at 10:40
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: March 12 2014 at 10:51
Not so much ignorance as some weird refusal to spell anything correctly. At least that's what I glean from all your Shred Room posts. |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: March 12 2014 at 11:10
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Possible ProgArchives answer to this thread: "Where is Steve Hackett??  "------------- 
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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: March 12 2014 at 11:34
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: March 12 2014 at 15:27
The simularity stops at the fact that both play electric guitars, sometimes distorted... Imo.
I love Sabbath, don't get me wrong, but a few episodes of imaginative experimentation aside, Iommi is a metal riff merchant. Fripp has probably dabbled in every rock/pop/funk/jazz guitar style going over the last 40 or so years. His playing on the 80' albums for example is a style that Iommi has never played, come close to, or would probably even want to. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: March 12 2014 at 19:37
Iommi has a career beyond Ozzy just like Fripp beyond Lake and Wetton, which is the point I am making.
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Posted By: Kentucky_Hawkwindage
Date Posted: March 13 2014 at 20:35
Most all Sabbath LPs in my opinion would be heavier than Red in my definition of "heavy".I love Both bands,this is just my opinion.
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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: March 13 2014 at 20:48
Just kidding of course.....Sabbath is plenty heavy. ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: Kentucky_Hawkwindage
Date Posted: March 13 2014 at 21:15
| Haha-I knew i'd provoke a comment.I'm just a tad bit bigger Sabbath fan than K.C. but i truly love both bands.Maybe i need a a little straightening out-who knows? I learn something new everyday on here. |
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: March 14 2014 at 06:17
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Give them both a yo.yo and let battle commence, I mean yeah it's just a bit of fun y'all but they ain't even in the same ball park stylistically, aesthetically or intellectually for Fripp's sake. Even though this is Friday night and I am full of Merlot I have not as yet been culpable in typing anything that smacks of being paraphrased from a botched translation of Pilgrim's Progress: satisfie you the nost?
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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: March 14 2014 at 17:16
I think I need a few glasses of Merlot myself to decipher the meaning of that post.
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Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: March 14 2014 at 17:35
I think ExittheLemming voted for The Grumpy Prog God
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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: March 15 2014 at 01:48
We could have our version of the Grammys called the Grumpys Accepted on the condition that you deliver mine in person Kati with a big hug  -------------
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Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: March 16 2014 at 22:33
hahahahaha!!! ExittheLemming deal!!! Hugs 
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: February 18 2018 at 09:04
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Voted for Iommi, but then again Black Sabbath gets more listens from me than KC (I like some of their albums but I need a special mood for them). now I go hide... :))))
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Posted By: Mascodagama
Date Posted: February 18 2018 at 12:20
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^ Previous post in the thread was four years ago, I think tempers have cooled on this one by now ------------- Soldato of the Pan Head Mafia. We'll make you an offer you can't listen to. http://bandcamp.com/jpillbox" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp Profile |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: February 18 2018 at 12:34
| ^ well, newcomers can join in and argue some more. :))) |
Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: February 18 2018 at 12:35
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Both. My 2 favorite guitarists ------------- https://wytchcrypt.wixsite.com/mutiny-in-jonestown" rel="nofollow - Mutiny in Jonestown : Progressive Rock Since 1987 |
Posted By: DeadSouls
Date Posted: February 18 2018 at 14:10
| Fripp |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: February 18 2018 at 14:38
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Both, of course. Love them both, even if they are so different from each other. I don't care about who is the more technically accomplished, or the more influential, of the two - I just know that their music speaks to me in a special way. |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: February 18 2018 at 15:19
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Both are amazing. But it's Iommi's tone that I dig more than Fripp's. Capisce? ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: February 18 2018 at 15:25
yeah that was a bit bizarre hahah ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: February 18 2018 at 15:26
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and screw you Captcha.... ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Squonk19
Date Posted: February 18 2018 at 16:39
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I love these old resurrected posts from before my time! What fun you must have had! Judging Fripp v Iommi must be like comparing Mother Teresa v Princess Di (did you ever have that poll?). I'll vote both as a nod to the wonderful diversity of rock music. ------------- “Living in their pools, they soon forget about the sea.” |
Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: February 18 2018 at 18:53
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Something tells me Fripp would butcher "Lord of This World" almost as bad as Iommi would butcher "Fracture". ------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow">  https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |
Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: February 18 2018 at 23:06
| I love both. |
Posted By: TexasKing
Date Posted: February 22 2018 at 05:37
| Iommi! |
Posted By: AEProgman
Date Posted: February 22 2018 at 06:48
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This is Apples and Oranges choice to me, picked both. -------------
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