Phaedra or Rubycon?
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Topic: Phaedra or Rubycon?
Posted By: Xonty
Subject: Phaedra or Rubycon?
Date Posted: December 30 2013 at 06:47
Hi again! Wondering which of these albums by Tangerine Dream to listen to so I made this poll!  I have listened to each album here but only a couple of times, and it's been aaaages since then. I noticed they were quite close together judging by the ratings on PA (Rubycon just taking the lead), but other websites/lists/etc. show them equally being as good as each other in the big picture. Please vote for one of the options and, if possible, comment on why you chose it. Also, I'd like to know if you hear any big differences on the two albums or are they pretty much the same sort of electronic stuff. As always, thanks for any feedback
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Posted By: zravkapt
Date Posted: December 30 2013 at 07:32
Those are the two TD albums from the '70s that sound the most similar. However, Rubycon has more keyboards and some things not on Phaedra (like backwards guitar for example). Phaedra sounds like improvisations (albeit good ones), while Rubycon sounds like it was designed to be a 2-part album. Beginning with Rubycon the studio music of TD starts to become more composed and less improvised, but they still continued to improvise in concert. ------------- Magma America Great Make Again |
Xonty wrote:Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: December 30 2013 at 07:34
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Rubycon. It's just that I like it more because Ricochet (still my favourite) was my first TD album and Rubycon is a bit more simuilar to Ricochet.
My favourite TD era starts with Rubycon and ends with Cyclone. ------------- 
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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: December 30 2013 at 07:40
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Phaedra is a very special album for me. Rubycon is great too but not on the level of Phaedra.
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Posted By: digdug
Date Posted: December 30 2013 at 08:02
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both are awesome but Phaedra ------------- Prog On! |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: December 30 2013 at 08:15
Phaedra, my first Tango's purchase way back in 1974 and not the last. 
------------- What? |
Posted By: PabstRibbon
Date Posted: December 30 2013 at 08:22
| Phaedra is my favourite of the 2 but my ultimate album by TD is Live Encore. My first album by them and it is still amazing |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: December 30 2013 at 09:40
| Rubycon. Love it. Not to belittle Phaedra, which is the album that got me into TD. |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: December 30 2013 at 10:00
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I can't split them ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: December 30 2013 at 10:13
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Rubycon! ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: December 30 2013 at 10:33
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My fav TD album is Zeit, and Phaedra is closer to it than Rubycon. However they are two great albums if one likes the genre.
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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: December 30 2013 at 10:34
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ehm.. voted for "both"
------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: December 30 2013 at 11:34
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always saw them as brother/sister !
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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: December 30 2013 at 12:16
| I love both of them equally. Amazing albums !! |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: December 30 2013 at 14:53
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Phaedra ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: December 30 2013 at 15:07
| I prefer Phaedra to Rubycon, but I prefer Tangerine Dream's first four albums (Electronic Meditation, Alpha Centauri, Zeit and Atem) to later efforts. Phaedra was the first TD album I got, but it was the debut that really turned me on to Tangerine Dream. |
Posted By: ole-the-first
Date Posted: December 30 2013 at 15:09
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Phaedra
------------- This night wounds time. |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: December 30 2013 at 19:01
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Love them both, but I prefer R U B Y C O N ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: infocat
Date Posted: December 30 2013 at 20:56
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Phaedra seems to me a bit more of an all time classic.
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Posted By: uduwudu
Date Posted: December 31 2013 at 04:33
| Wouldn't want to be without either but if I had to pick it's the great Phaedra over an excellent Rubycon. Now pairing that up with Ricochet... a different story. |
Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: December 31 2013 at 04:46
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Find it pretty difficult to split them. I would probably go for Phaedra but just. (The giants for me are Zeit and Ricochet ) ------------- Help me I'm falling! |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: December 31 2013 at 08:01
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Hi,
I was thinking that "Phaedra" might have been the more important of the two, having finally "conquered" the sequencer, and showing it off. That's my understanding a bit, on that, though Dean might elaborate on that a bit more as he knows that physical stuff better.
"Rubycon" was, for me, almost a continuation of some of their stuff in "Atem", though it was more melodic this time, than it was "ambient" the first time. The sound effects are still quite vivid in both. I think that by this time they figured out how to make notes and sounds out of the effects, which I would imagine was probably new at the time. ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: December 31 2013 at 14:58
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Up to that point, the title side of Phaedra definitely put the pedal to the metal as far as sequencers circa 1973 went. Rubycon ups the ante and with the addition of more keyboards and lush Mellotron work sounds like an unofficial soundtrack to Dante's Nine Circles. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: December 31 2013 at 18:01
| ^ Very well said. |