From Genesis To Revelation
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Topic: From Genesis To Revelation
Posted By: Xonty
Subject: From Genesis To Revelation
Date Posted: November 24 2013 at 12:48
Am I the only person out there who loves Genesis' debut as much as their other albums?? I absolutely adore it, and I think it's better than every album after The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway, but I think it's overshadowed a bit by the general excellence of Genesis!  Looking at the 2.58 rating (or something like that) and the 5% of 5-star ratings, I get confused because I can't be the only one (or 1 in 20) who loves this album? What are your ideas on it/my ideas of it?Thanks for any feedback 
P.S. Is anyone else annoyed at the fact that they didn't do an interview for this album, yet they did on practically all of the others?
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Posted By: Michael678
Date Posted: November 24 2013 at 13:46
well, thats because the band doesnt own the rights to that album anymore, and thats because it was on another label (Decca Records to be exact), while the rest of their days were with Charisma. This album is now owned by "Jonathon King" (guess why there's quotation marks there), and all the money that is used to buy a copy of this album goes to him. ------------- Progrockdude |
Xonty wrote:Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: November 24 2013 at 14:03
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It's an ok album. I don't think it's better than any of their other albums tbh. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: November 24 2013 at 14:43
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It definitely has its moments. I'd put "In the Wilderness" up there with their best. ------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: genbanks
Date Posted: November 24 2013 at 15:04
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It is a good album, but not better than any of their other albums. The mixing is not good. I'm a huge and die hard fan of Genesis and I really like From Genesis.... very much, more when I think that this album was written by boys of less than 18 years. In the wilderness is the better track of the album. Other ones like That's me, Silent sun, We are waiting for you, Fireside song, In hiding, One day or A winter's tale, are really good too. What do you think about the chords that Jonhatan King put there and Tony and Ant really don't like?
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Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: November 24 2013 at 15:17
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I've only heard it once at a friend's house and if I remember correctly there was a lot of orchestration on it which turned me off. ------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: November 24 2013 at 15:41
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There are interviews about it as I have the footage on VHS somewhere.Quite a lot of footage in fact, talking to all the lads about their feelings about the release. It suffered as many record outlets at the time filed it amongst religious music releases and consequently did not receive as much airplay as it should have. The Genesis archives release of this material is overkill and for completionists only. Best just source the original release and enjoy as it was mean't. You can pick up the natural progression to their next release Trespass as some of the songs have that unmistakeable Anthony Philips influence.
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: November 24 2013 at 15:52
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I like it a lot, certainly more than anything after Wind and Wuthering, but I cannot say it is better than any of them because it is not, thanks mainly to the perfunctory string arrangements that King put all over it. I prefer the earlier versions of the songs that appear on the Genesis Archive 1967-75.
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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: November 24 2013 at 17:05
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I also think "In the Beginning" is a great psychedelic rock tune. Not sure if they even meant it to be one, but it is. ------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: zravkapt
Date Posted: November 24 2013 at 18:16
I'm sure they wanted the whole album to sound like it. Here's Mother Gong's take on it:
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Posted By: ebil0505
Date Posted: November 24 2013 at 18:32
| I always enjoyed the album. I thought it showcased their songwriting abilities quite well. It's nice and relaxing to listen to though it isn't Supper's Ready by an standard. Still, I kinda always thought it was underrated too. |
Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: November 24 2013 at 22:25
Its a good album but no where near as good as their later albums 
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Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: November 24 2013 at 23:36
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Far from a favorite but an enjoyable listen. ------------- |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: November 25 2013 at 02:44
| It's a very quaint, very English album done by a bunch of youngsters. 'Fireside Song' and 'The Serpent' are up there with their best. |
Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: November 25 2013 at 04:10
How weird is that take  ------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: November 25 2013 at 04:40
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My opinion is not relevant here as I'm everything but a Genesis fan. The debut and the Lamb are their only two albums that I like. ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: Prog_Traveller
Date Posted: November 25 2013 at 11:09
| When I first heard it I thought it was really weird. However, it grew on me over time. I think it's a special album in their catalog but I don't think it's one of their very best. It does contain lots of catchy arty psych pop but it doesn't really hint that much at what the band would become. |
Posted By: Prog_Traveller
Date Posted: November 25 2013 at 11:14
| That Gong cover might as well be an entirely different tune since only the lyrics seem to be the same. Speaking of covers though, the band Echolyn did a pretty good cover of "where the sour turns to sweet." |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: November 25 2013 at 11:29
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I think it's too easy for reviewers to trash the album since their next one was such a great leap forward. Not too long after I got into the band ('79 or so) I started making assortment tapes of Genesis (and other prog bands). I always gave those tracks equal footing in my mixes. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: bloodnarfer
Date Posted: November 25 2013 at 11:34
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I think its a pretty decent debut, but the excellence of Trespass completely overshadows it. Still worth a listen though and I'd like to get my hands on the original versions that Dean mentioned.
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Posted By: Prog_Traveller
Date Posted: November 25 2013 at 13:26
| There's actually some versions of the album that have tracks that were recorded before the proper album("that's me" and "one eyed hound" among others). These "bonus" tracks are actually less poppy and more prog sounding than what was on the proper album. |
Posted By: smartpatrol
Date Posted: November 25 2013 at 13:39
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Not bad, has a few standouts, In the Beginning, especially. But how can such an unmatured debut compare to it's staggeringly more developed sequel ------------- http://bit.ly/1kqTR8y" rel="nofollow">  The greatest record label of all time! |
Posted By: M27Barney
Date Posted: November 25 2013 at 14:18
Trespass is the first proper Genesis album, FGTR is a "Jonathon King" creation and he is a loathsome human being by all accounts, it's not got much to it and compare it to Trespass - ATTWT and Duke are far better examples of Genesis though by that time they were sliding inexorably into the eighties pop-dirge that they were going to serve up - Me and Sarah Jane....  ------------- Play me my song.....Here it comes again....... |
Posted By: Prog_Traveller
Date Posted: November 25 2013 at 14:56
| Saying "Trespass" is the first proper Genesis album is like saying "the Yes Album" is the first proper YES record. The band still wrote all the songs on FGTR. YES didn't even write every song for their first two. Either way FGTR was the first Genesis album(and YES was the first Yes album). |
Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: November 25 2013 at 15:09
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And The Final Cut is not Roger's first solo album. ------------- |
Posted By: Michael678
Date Posted: November 25 2013 at 17:07
how so? ------------- Progrockdude |
Posted By: AreYouHuman
Date Posted: November 25 2013 at 21:39
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FGTR was far from the best Genesis album but it’s like apples and oranges, since they changed so drastically afterwards. Peter used a more conventional vocal style but on some tracks, especially In the Wilderness, you can hear traces of his more familiar style emerging. The singles tracks added to later versions brought up the overall quality, especially A Winter’s Tale and One Eyed Hound.
A bit of trivia: The short instrumental intros were a great touch, and the one preceding The Serpent was later rewritten and expanded upon and eventually became Twilight Alehouse. |
Posted By: Prog_Traveller
Date Posted: November 25 2013 at 22:27
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I was so freaked out by the album when I first heard it that I was scared to listen to it for a while afterwards. In fact, it made me put off buying Trespass because I figured it would be similar. I remember when I finally heard Trespass I had the covers over me.
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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: November 25 2013 at 22:38
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Trespass was the first Genesis I bought in college. When it first came out I saw it at local record store and thought it had an interesting cover. I didn't even know there was an LP before that. I bought Foxtrot and Nursery Cryme before I knew there was an even earlier one. At any rate.....FGTR has some nice tracks on it but the band really came into their own on those later albums. ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: November 25 2013 at 23:48
| I really like it. * * * * / * * * * * |
Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: November 28 2013 at 18:13
Agreed on every point. |
Posted By: Metalmarsh89
Date Posted: December 03 2013 at 01:46
| I was listening to the Deep Tracks station on Satellite radio the other day, and The Knife came on. What a great song, I can't believe I had never gotten around to hearing it before. Now I need to go buy Trespass. |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: December 03 2013 at 03:45
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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: December 03 2013 at 06:38
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Posted By: Metalmarsh89
Date Posted: December 03 2013 at 21:09
I'm sure there are plenty of others, but such is the life of being a full-time student and part-time worker. I can't buy all the albums I want. Luckily, I do have time to listen to the music I do have.  |
Posted By: AreYouHuman
Date Posted: March 28 2014 at 20:46
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^ Accurate point about the string arrangements on FGTR. As it is it compares favorably to the Bee Gees’ 1st, the Left Banke’s 1st, and the Zombies’ Odessey and Oracle, among others. None of which is a slam, BTW. ------------- Caption: We tend to take ourselves a little too seriously. Silly human race! Yes is for everybody! |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: March 28 2014 at 22:42
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^ You mean "slam dunk"?
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