Because you can't put a Church or a School in a CD player. It's impossible.

Well, as for school, it's because school is boring.  As for church, I won't give my opinion on religion here, but let's just say I haven't set foot in a church since the last time there was a funeral or wedding I was expected to attend (about 10 years ago).  And so I could see just about anything being more important than church, even fake vomit.

Shack Man wrote: Why does music mean more to me than school or church?

Young grasshopper, you must seek solace in a temple, with a powerful stereophonic system and the finest headphones, and listen to Close to the Edge, beginning to end.

I believe you will find the answer that you are seeking.

transend wrote: Music is real,  religion is a figment of peoples imagination..

Well, so is music, that's why us progers like our music so much, because it's figments of peoples imagination, except it's a very wild, entertaining, and creative immagination compared to other music that "supposedly" came from others "Imagination"

the only difference between me and you is that i'm not on fire

f**k school. eh, im hesitant to say f**k church, so i wont. to late.

I never wrote what I have written above.

If you have children do not expose them to weed.

Anonymous2112 wrote: f**k school. eh, im hesitant to say f**k church, so i wont. to late. I never wrote what I have written above. If you have children do not expose them to weed.

Church sucks be cool, be an atheist

frenchie wrote: I'd like to thank God for making me an atheist

You're welcome

I guess with music we always have choices ... far less so with Church & School ... unless you went to some very free-thinking enlightened variety unlike myself - I went to an Irish Catholic Convent which combined the worst of both  institutions ... 

... however The Church is a very good aussie art rock band (listed here)

kirklott wrote: Shack Man wrote: Why does music mean more to me than school or church? Young grasshopper, you must seek solace in a temple, with a powerful stereophonic system and the finest headphones, and listen to Close to the Edge, beginning to end. I believe you will find the answer that you are seeking.

This makes me remember, one day a friend (Not too close to my group) married with a girl we all hated (She was arrogant as Robert Fripp and with the same charisma), sadly we all had tickets for the final Football (Soccer) game and our team was playing, but what the hell maybe we could find some nice girls in the party, so we went to church.

The Catholic wedding is very long (About 90 minutes) but one of our best friends had his earphones listening the big game and narrating it for us in low voice.

Just in the moment the Priest was telling Do you accept bla bla bla the silence and emotion of the wedding was interrupted by a 5 amimals (that's us) shouting Gooooooooooooooooooooool.

Of course nobody wanted to see us, but we went to the party the same.

Iván

stonebeard wrote: i believe in God, not church. Church almost ruined my religion, but i'm recovering it.

Well said         

robertplantowns wrote:   Jesus never even considered himself as the son of god, or a christian so why is he portrayed as so?  sorry nothing to do with prog

True. Jesus was groomed as a Buddist and was crucified but did not die on the cross (was only on it like 6 hours or something and it often took days to die) He lived to a ripe old age and is buried in Kashmir. Well, at least there is a compelling case for that version of events.

Shack Man wrote: Why does music mean more to me than school or church?

religion is bullsh1t and can't be trusted.  school is just a routine.  whereas music is life, baby!!

seriously though, music can touch you in ways religion and school can't (although, it doesn't touch you like a woman, which is a shame).  school is a good thing though, as long as you pursue your interests in further education - then it can get fun.  religion is akin to being force fed dog faeces.

Shack Man wrote: Why does music mean more to me than school or church?

Everything means more to me than church, as church means nothing to me (except for some nice buildings)

As Hotleg's first album-title tells us: Think's: school stinks

...and church **********

Long live rock 'n' roll

frenchie wrote: music is my god

Music is the medium my dear, the mouse which inspired it's creation  is the real and only Goddess.

JrKASperov wrote: I would like to post this as a sort of indirect response to all the religion based replies here. I'm no fan of religion myself, being based on rules (or dogma) instead of faith, it is an enemy of what Yahshua stood for. But I am a man of faith myself. And that goes beyond most people even know or think to know about Christianity. As I found out going to university there was a whole world with knowledge i hadn't even thought about, it is most likely the same for most of you atheist people or people who just post 'church sucks'. There is a world of knowledge about Christianity that is still closed to you. Don't let yourself be fooled by institutions that claim to be Christian, if in fact they ignore obvious parts of the book they are supposed to be teaching about.  My main point is, most of you don't know anything about it, but are all too ready to judge it by it's cover. I beg you, please, if you want to judge it, read the contents.

Well said JrKASperov.  I am suprised that noone has responded to this so far, they have just gone on doing what they were before: Ignorantly bashing religion.  I am not a fan of religion either, but faith is a big part of my life, along with music, I think both are very spiritual in some ways.  And Christianity shouldn't be judged by the circus religions that get pushed into the public eye.  There are some very good people out there, when I quit going to church, the other members were very supportive and didn't judge me, but tryed to help and offered their friendship as I was going through a rough time in life. 

Anyway, if one is truely going to speak out against religion, they should at least know enough about it to make an argument........just like you can't flame a band whom you've never listened to before.  So my friends, I encourage you to read the bible or whatever else to gain knowledge, and if you still feel the same way-- feel free to fire away.  Sorry to sound preachy, etc., I don't entend to come off that way.

Fearless wrote: JrKASperov wrote: I would like to post this as a sort of indirect response to all the religion based replies here. I'm no fan of religion myself, being based on rules (or dogma) instead of faith, it is an enemy of what Yahshua stood for. But I am a man of faith myself. And that goes beyond most people even know or think to know about Christianity. As I found out going to university there was a whole world with knowledge i hadn't even thought about, it is most likely the same for most of you atheist people or people who just post 'church sucks'. There is a world of knowledge about Christianity that is still closed to you. Don't let yourself be fooled by institutions that claim to be Christian, if in fact they ignore obvious parts of the book they are supposed to be teaching about.  My main point is, most of you don't know anything about it, but are all too ready to judge it by it's cover. I beg you, please, if you want to judge it, read the contents. Well said JrKASperov.  I am suprised that noone has responded to this so far, they have just gone on doing what they were before: Ignorantly bashing religion.  I am not a fan of religion either, but faith is a big part of my life, along with music, I think both are very spiritual in some ways.  And Christianity shouldn't be judged by the circus religions that get pushed into the public eye.  There are some very good people out there, when I quit going to church, the other members were very supportive and didn't judge me, but tryed to help and offered their friendship as I was going through a rough time in life.  Anyway, if one is truely going to speak out against religion, they should at least know enough about it to make an argument........just like you can't flame a band whom you've never listened to before.  So my friends, I encourage you to read the bible or whatever else to gain knowledge, and if you still feel the same way-- feel free to fire away.  Sorry to sound preachy, etc., I don't entend to come off that way.

Most Intelligent thing i've heard all day.

Fearless wrote: JrKASperov.  I am suprised that noone has responded to this so far, they have just gone on doing what they were before: Ignorantly bashing religion.  I am not a fan of religion either, but faith is a big part of my life, along with music, I think both are very spiritual in some ways.  And Christianity shouldn't be judged by the circus religions that get pushed into the public eye.  There are some very good people out there, when I quit going to church, the other members were very supportive and didn't judge me, but tryed to help and offered their friendship as I was going through a rough time in life.  Anyway, if one is truely going to speak out against religion, they should at least know enough about it to make an argument........just like you can't flame a band whom you've never listened to before.  So my friends, I encourage you to read the bible or whatever else to gain knowledge, and if you still feel the same way-- feel free to fire away.  Sorry to sound preachy, etc., I don't entend to come off that way.

I read the bible.  Then I went to church to my niece's baptism.  I then realised, while sitting in the church, what an utter load of bullsh1t it all is.  The fact that it is essentially an overblown cult telling you how to live your life and ultimately dictating what is supposed to be right and wrong.  I'm now vehemently opposed to the church and organised religion of any kind.  I think it is cool to be spiritual in your own home, but to follow the doctrine of a church; there is something wrong with that.  There are certain fundamental aspects that religion teaches people which are very wrong - namely intolerance of other people.  From my experience with religion it is insanely hypocritical and intolerant of other people.  Homosexuality, bad.  Abortion, bad.  Condoms, bad.  etc. etc.  the list goes on ad infinitum.  I can't stomach the church/religion.  I can't stomach that a lot of the problems in this world seem to generate from religion, whether it be the extremist factions or not, it still exacerbates problems that could be dealt with better without religion.  Iraq, islamic terrorists, israel/palestine, northern ireland - all these are directly linked to religion.  Hence, religion should be avoided if we want to live in a tolerant and just society.

The Miracle wrote: Anonymous2112 wrote: f**k school. eh, im hesitant to say f**k church, so i wont. to late. I never wrote what I have written above. If you have children do not expose them to weed. Church sucks be cool, be an atheist

Thats a relief. I'm glad that everyone here arent jesus freaks.

Snow Dog wrote: The Mouse?

The one who didn't have a house, and I don't know why but I call him Gerald, he is getting rather old, but still, he's a good mouse.  

Also there is a diffrence between cults and religons.

Religons - Says if you do good things when you die, something good will happen to you.

Cults - Offers something good when you die, for doing sadistic things like cutting off your sex organs then eating them, then drink tropical punch with syanide in it, then aliens will come get you and take to a uber heaven planet called Geldloks 4.

So you can see the diffrence is that Religons are full of semi-crazys and Cults are full of out and out nut jobs.

Fearless wrote: JrKASperov wrote: I would like to post this as a sort of indirect response to all the religion based replies here. I'm no fan of religion myself, being based on rules (or dogma) instead of faith, it is an enemy of what Yahshua stood for. But I am a man of faith myself. And that goes beyond most people even know or think to know about Christianity. As I found out going to university there was a whole world with knowledge i hadn't even thought about, it is most likely the same for most of you atheist people or people who just post 'church sucks'. There is a world of knowledge about Christianity that is still closed to you. Don't let yourself be fooled by institutions that claim to be Christian, if in fact they ignore obvious parts of the book they are supposed to be teaching about.  My main point is, most of you don't know anything about it, but are all too ready to judge it by it's cover. I beg you, please, if you want to judge it, read the contents. Well said JrKASperov.  I am suprised that noone has responded to this so far, they have just gone on doing what they were before: Ignorantly bashing religion.  I am not a fan of religion either, but faith is a big part of my life, along with music, I think both are very spiritual in some ways.  And Christianity shouldn't be judged by the circus religions that get pushed into the public eye.  There are some very good people out there, when I quit going to church, the other members were very supportive and didn't judge me, but tryed to help and offered their friendship as I was going through a rough time in life.  Anyway, if one is truely going to speak out against religion, they should at least know enough about it to make an argument........just like you can't flame a band whom you've never listened to before.  So my friends, I encourage you to read the bible or whatever else to gain knowledge, and if you still feel the same way-- feel free to fire away.  Sorry to sound preachy, etc., I don't entend to come off that way.

I didn't respond because I find this kind of threads a bit useless. Faith is a big part of my life too, and I don't feel attracted to "circus religions" either. I like the Circus Of Heaven (Yes), but that's something else

I see most top members here are atheists  Thats very promising

Quote: Church sucks be cool, be an atheist

AMEN!!!

spectral wrote: Fearless wrote: JrKASperov.  I am suprised that noone has responded to this so far, they have just gone on doing what they were before: Ignorantly bashing religion.  I am not a fan of religion either, but faith is a big part of my life, along with music, I think both are very spiritual in some ways.  And Christianity shouldn't be judged by the circus religions that get pushed into the public eye.  There are some very good people out there, when I quit going to church, the other members were very supportive and didn't judge me, but tryed to help and offered their friendship as I was going through a rough time in life.  Anyway, if one is truely going to speak out against religion, they should at least know enough about it to make an argument........just like you can't flame a band whom you've never listened to before.  So my friends, I encourage you to read the bible or whatever else to gain knowledge, and if you still feel the same way-- feel free to fire away.  Sorry to sound preachy, etc., I don't entend to come off that way. I read the bible.  Then I went to church to my niece's baptism.  I then realised, while sitting in the church, what an utter load of bullsh1t it all is.  The fact that it is essentially an overblown cult telling you how to live your life and ultimately dictating what is supposed to be right and wrong.  I'm now vehemently opposed to the church and organised religion of any kind.  I think it is cool to be spiritual in your own home, but to follow the doctrine of a church; there is something wrong with that.  There are certain fundamental aspects that religion teaches people which are very wrong - namely intolerance of other people.  From my experience with religion it is insanely hypocritical and intolerant of other people.  Homosexuality, bad.  Abortion, bad.  Condoms, bad.  etc. etc.  the list goes on ad infinitum.  I can't stomach the church/religion.  I can't stomach that a lot of the problems in this world seem to generate from religion, whether it be the extremist factions or not, it still exacerbates problems that could be dealt with better without religion.  Iraq, islamic terrorists, israel/palestine, northern ireland - all these are directly linked to religion.  Hence, religion should be avoided if we want to live in a tolerant and just society.

This is essentially the same reason that I quit going to church.  And like I said, if you have gone, and understand everything then you have the right to speak out as much as you want.

Initially, I wasn't going to respond, but i've just seen a lot of ignorance on this thread......The main reason many of us listen to prog instead of pop crap is because we don't succumb to the conformities of society, and then I see people here post that they like music over religion because it is "cooler".......well my friends, this is the mindset of a conformist.  If you listen to music (or go to church, etc..) because it is cool/or to fit in, then you are surely doing it for the wrong reason.

BTW, Spectral, I think you may be generalizing ALL religion from the one church that you went to.  It's important to know that not all of them are the same.  And as for abortion, homosexuality, etc., that's all just a matter of morals or opinions. 

JrKASperov wrote:  My main point is, most of you don't know anything about it, but are all too ready to judge it by it's cover. I beg you, please, if you want to judge it, read the contents.

Well, regarding the Bible (old testiment) I can quote you some seriously evil sh*t that supposedly 'god' said but this really isn't the place for such a discussion.

Fearless wrote: spectral wrote: Fearless wrote: JrKASperov.  I am suprised that noone has responded to this so far, they have just gone on doing what they were before: Ignorantly bashing religion.  I am not a fan of religion either, but faith is a big part of my life, along with music, I think both are very spiritual in some ways.  And Christianity shouldn't be judged by the circus religions that get pushed into the public eye.  There are some very good people out there, when I quit going to church, the other members were very supportive and didn't judge me, but tryed to help and offered their friendship as I was going through a rough time in life.  Anyway, if one is truely going to speak out against religion, they should at least know enough about it to make an argument........just like you can't flame a band whom you've never listened to before.  So my friends, I encourage you to read the bible or whatever else to gain knowledge, and if you still feel the same way-- feel free to fire away.  Sorry to sound preachy, etc., I don't entend to come off that way. I read the bible.  Then I went to church to my niece's baptism.  I then realised, while sitting in the church, what an utter load of bullsh1t it all is.  The fact that it is essentially an overblown cult telling you how to live your life and ultimately dictating what is supposed to be right and wrong.  I'm now vehemently opposed to the church and organised religion of any kind.  I think it is cool to be spiritual in your own home, but to follow the doctrine of a church; there is something wrong with that.  There are certain fundamental aspects that religion teaches people which are very wrong - namely intolerance of other people.  From my experience with religion it is insanely hypocritical and intolerant of other people.  Homosexuality, bad.  Abortion, bad.  Condoms, bad.  etc. etc.  the list goes on ad infinitum.  I can't stomach the church/religion.  I can't stomach that a lot of the problems in this world seem to generate from religion, whether it be the extremist factions or not, it still exacerbates problems that could be dealt with better without religion.  Iraq, islamic terrorists, israel/palestine, northern ireland - all these are directly linked to religion.  Hence, religion should be avoided if we want to live in a tolerant and just society.     This is essentially the same reason that I quit going to church.  And like I said, if you have gone, and understand everything then you have the right to speak out as much as you want. Initially, I wasn't going to respond, but i've just seen a lot of ignorance on this thread......The main reason many of us listen to prog instead of pop crap is because we don't succumb to the conformities of society, and then I see people here post that they like music over religion because it is "cooler".......well my friends, this is the mindset of a conformist.  If you listen to music (or go to church, etc..) because it is cool/or to fit in, then you are surely doing it for the wrong reason. BTW, Spectral, I think you may be generalizing ALL religion from the one church that you went to.  It's important to know that not all of them are the same.  And as for abortion, homosexuality, etc., that's all just a matter of morals or opinions.

I was always going to step over that line of generalising.  But from my experience and reading up on various religions, this is the conclusion that I've come to.

spectral wrote: I read the bible.  Then I went to church to my niece's baptism.  I then realised, while sitting in the church, what an utter load of bullsh1t it all is.  The fact that it is essentially an overblown cult telling you how to live your life and ultimately dictating what is supposed to be right and wrong.  I'm now vehemently opposed to the church and organised religion of any kind.  I think it is cool to be spiritual in your own home, but to follow the doctrine of a church; there is something wrong with that.  There are certain fundamental aspects that religion teaches people which are very wrong - namely intolerance of other people.  From my experience with religion it is insanely hypocritical and intolerant of other people.  Homosexuality, bad.  Abortion, bad.  Condoms, bad.  etc. etc.  the list goes on ad infinitum.  I can't stomach the church/religion.  I can't stomach that a lot of the problems in this world seem to generate from religion, whether it be the extremist factions or not, it still exacerbates problems that could be dealt with better without religion.  Iraq, islamic terrorists, israel/palestine, northern ireland - all these are directly linked to religion.  Hence, religion should be avoided if we want to live in a tolerant and just society.

Ah but all too happy to ignore the good things religion has done for us.

Religion has founded universities and claims a vital role in the rich scientific tradition of the western world.
Religion has founded fundamental things like charity, social security.
Religion has kept numerous volumes of ancient texts preserved, to be read by us in the present world.

To add to that, you're mainly posting about the Catholic Church. In fact, Yahshua promotes TOLERANCE of other people. I'm not sure if you read your evangelics right, because it sounds to me you are ignoring the basic teaching of Yahshua himself and blaming Him for the wrongdoings of 'His' selfproclaimed followers. In our tradition it isn't the cult that teaches us what is wrong or right, it's God Himself, personally, every moment of the day if we take the effort to listen to Him.

And to the person who quoted something about 'evil' deeds: I would like to see what you would do in the face of people sh*tting in your face, kicking against your knees, blaspheming your name etc.etc. Because that is essentially what those victims of Gods (indeed terrible) wrath did to Him.

JrKASperov wrote: Ah but all too happy to ignore the good things religion has done for us. Religion has founded universities and claims a vital role in the rich scientific tradition of the western world. Religion has founded fundamental things like charity, social security. Religion has kept numerous volumes of ancient texts preserved, to be read by us in the present world. To add to that, you're mainly posting about the Catholic Church. In fact, Yahshua promotes TOLERANCE of other people. I'm not sure if you read your evangelics right, because it sounds to me you are ignoring the basic teaching of Yahshua himself and blaming Him for the wrongdoings of 'His' selfproclaimed followers. In our tradition it isn't the cult that teaches us what is wrong or right, it's God Himself, personally, every moment of the day if we take the effort to listen to Him. And to the person who quoted something about 'evil' deeds: I would like to see what you would do in the face of people sh*tting in your face, kicking against your knees, blaspheming your name etc.etc. Because that is essentially what those victims of Gods (indeed terrible) wrath did to Him.

I struggle with all religions.  I like the idea of personal spirituality, I think this can be important.  but the idea of following the doctrine(s) of any religion just doesn't sit easy with me.  I'm sure religion has done a lot of good things, but it has also done a lot of damage too (and continues to).  The current problems in the world can be traced back to religion.  Whether it be various wars or acts of terrorism or even starvation and genocide in africa due to opposing religions and beliefs.  For me, and this is my opinion, religion has little or no place in modern society.  I think we are at a particular place in time where we are intelligent enough and have the ability to care and empathise that we don't need a church, we don't need a figurehead of a church or scriptures written thousands of years ago to form the fundamental basis of how we live in the 21st Century.  That's not to say we can't learn from the past.  As Santayana once said, "those who do not learn from the past are condemned to relive it."  We can learn from the positive and negative effects of religion to create a just society, without the need for organised religion.

    I for one think that spirituality is good and appreceate most religions although I have a favorite. Because obviously we are not these bodies which are ever changing but the sense of Iness remains the same. So I want to know about the soul and am interested in associating with others who are interested in soul and spirituality just like I come here to associate on prog

Anonymous2112 wrote: The Miracle wrote: Anonymous2112 wrote: f**k school. eh, im hesitant to say f**k church, so i wont. to late. I never wrote what I have written above. If you have children do not expose them to weed. Church sucks be cool, be an atheist Thats a relief. I'm glad that everyone here arent jesus freaks.

I am a jesus freak, and I'm proud of it

If you're relieved by the number of atheists in this forum Anonymous, you probably have to change your signature, because it's a Bible quote!

Have a lot to say, but I don't think progarchives is the place to exalt or bash religion. I am not a missionary either. My signature just (partly) reveals the way I look at life, and I intentionally chose it as a Bible quote. Please stop this nonsense, and discuss your pretty ideas against religion in yahoo groups etc.

BTW, music means more to me than school or church, too! Just because I'm a devout Christian, it doesn't mean I should stand for all the nonsense the church (or my church, to be more specific) imposes...

AtomHeartMother wrote: Snow Dog wrote: The Mouse? The one who didn't have a house, and I don't know why but I call him Gerald, he is getting rather old, but still, he's a good mouse.

Oh...that mouse!