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Topic: Prog Museum
Posted By: Knobby
Subject: Prog Museum
Date Posted: June 29 2013 at 11:20
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They just posted a slideshow of Tokyo's Prog rock museum at Prog Ears forum.
What main thing would you include in your own personal museum - besides Anderson's codpiece and Wakiepoo's gold cape?
Id have Bo Hansson's hammond - only I think the Beardfish guy gots it.
Conny Plank's studio
Pinder's mellotron
Wakie's hammond (wot he didn't use all that much)
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Remember in the 60s the monsters of filmland foot-high model kits: Hunchback,Mummy,Dracula,Frankenstein,Hyde,the Witch,Creature from Black Lagoon, cant remember if there were more.
Should be a series for prog gods. I know there is a Wakie one with mellotron & hammond.
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Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: June 29 2013 at 12:39
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All the instruments Gentle Giant would play at a single gig and Peter Gabriel's various costumes. Ian Anderson in a codpiece would make a great model! ------------- The world of sound is certainly capable of infinite variety and, were our sense developed, of infinite extensions. -- George Santayana, "The Sense of Beauty" |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: June 29 2013 at 13:31
| Rick Wakeman's organ with the busts of Bach and Beethoven. |
Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: June 29 2013 at 13:31
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I'd start my prog rock museum with these pieces... Keith Emerson's Moog Modular synthesizer
Robert Fripp's "Fretless Wonder" late 50's Les Paul Custom Peter Gabriel's Slipperman costume (with inflatable balls) Ringo's "Love the 4 Beatles" bass drum head Bill Bruford's high pitched Yes/King Crimson snare drum The sitar George played on "Norwegian Wood" The "3 headed hydra" Roger Dean designed stage scenery from the '75 and '76 Yes tour Peter Nichols heroin addict mask worn at the end of "The Enemy Smacks" The mellotron Paul played the "Strawberry Fields Forever" flute intro on The final brick to be placed at the 1st performance of "The Wall" The Hammond M-102 organ Matthew Fisher recorded "A Whiter Shade of Pale" on Geddy and Alex's mid 70's doublenecks An Ian Anderson flute The dress Frank Zappa wore for the cover of "We're Only in it for the Money" and finally... A bill from Mikael Akerfeldt's throat doctor  ------------- https://wytchcrypt.wixsite.com/mutiny-in-jonestown" rel="nofollow - Mutiny in Jonestown : Progressive Rock Since 1987 |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: June 29 2013 at 14:59
Ohhh c'mon ... that's the perfect piece for the Hollywood Wax Museum! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Progosopher wrote:Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: June 29 2013 at 15:01
Ohhh c'mon ... you really want the doctor bills for the girls in the GTO's! Or David Bowie's! (Hew said on the "Behind the Music" that the reason for his longetivity was ... good doctors!) (I would settle for a juicy tell all on the house that had Syd, Robert, Kevin, Daevid, Burroughs, Ginsburg, and a whole lot of actors and actresses coming and going!)
------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Ambient Hurricanes
Date Posted: June 29 2013 at 15:49
 I'd want several Rush pieces in mine: the kimonos they wore in the 70's would be cool, as well as Hugh Syme's Mellotron used to record "Tears." A pair of Geddy's sunglasses, the doubleneck Rickenbacker he used to play in the 70's; at least one Neil Peart drum set, and one of the big inflatable rabbits they had on the Presto tour .------------- I love dogs, I've always loved dogs |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: June 29 2013 at 17:09
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Meh, it's already starting to look like a Hard Rock Café franchise in some backwater city that no one's ever heard of.
Don't recall ever seeing a Wakeman "action figure" doll, but there was a Emerson one:
 to go with this:
 ...just need an "L" to play bass, ------------- What? |
Posted By: The Bearded Bard
Date Posted: June 29 2013 at 18:32
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Jeffrey Hammond-Hammond's zebra-striped suit, but since he burned it when he quit the band I'll settle for his matching bass guitar, unless he burned that as well, then I got nothing.
OK, Ian's codpiece will do. 
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Posted By: stegor
Date Posted: June 29 2013 at 19:03
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I'm trying to remember what Jeffrey did with his green boots. Those might still be out there somewhere. We need the rabbit suit with John Evan's urine still inside the head. |
Posted By: silverpot
Date Posted: June 30 2013 at 11:45
Algie, the inflatable pig.  And Gilmour's black strat. |
Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: June 30 2013 at 13:57
Don't forget Jeffrey's zebra striped stand up bass!  ------------- https://wytchcrypt.wixsite.com/mutiny-in-jonestown" rel="nofollow - Mutiny in Jonestown : Progressive Rock Since 1987 |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: June 30 2013 at 16:39
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"There was once a player named Fripp Who's musical skills were a trip He became Crimson King Though he never could sing Take a picture of him and he'd flip!" We need more Nursery Rhymes! You think we should start a thread on that? ... that's pretty damn good and worth of "The Pearl" already! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: June 30 2013 at 17:12
I started the "Prog Rock Limericks" thread in the "Prog Music Lounge" about a week ago and an admin moved it to "Topics not related to music->Just for Fun". There are about 30 prog limericks alive and breathing who would love some company  http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=94153" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=94153 ------------- https://wytchcrypt.wixsite.com/mutiny-in-jonestown" rel="nofollow - Mutiny in Jonestown : Progressive Rock Since 1987 |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: July 01 2013 at 22:46
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How about the krumhorns Gryphon used ??
Perhaps the harmonium Peter Hammill used occasionally (but at a gig years ago Peter told me Chris Judge Smith has it so there goes that idea) The fuzz box Dave Stewart used to get his magnificent sound with. |
Posted By: Knobby
Date Posted: July 01 2013 at 22:49
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The Synton "Syrinx" which a Dutch band or two used.
Now that is rare.
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Posted By: Knobby
Date Posted: July 01 2013 at 22:50
| Jon Lord's white C3 wot went in the water. |
Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: July 05 2013 at 13:02
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Todd/Utopia's gold pyramid Wall-size versions of Roger Dean's artwork/album covers A continuously running dry ice machine Black light lighting Genesis' lighting rack from the 1976-7 tours A room dedicated to Anthony Phillips and his friends, artist Peter Cross, and jack-of-all trades, Ralph Bernascone Daevid Allen's medicine cabinet Nigel Tuffnel's armadillo ------------- Drew Fisher https://progisaliveandwell.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: July 05 2013 at 13:16
Don't forget Derek Small's aluminum foil wrapped cucumber
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Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: July 05 2013 at 16:02
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Hello, Cleveland! ------------- Drew Fisher https://progisaliveandwell.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: July 05 2013 at 18:24
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Irmin Schmidt's 'Alpha 77' synth module.
The only copy of M. Frog Labat's debut album that ever sold.......(he was the synth-nut of Rundgren's Utopia debut album - the one with 'The Ikon' on it...)
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Posted By: Neo-Romantic
Date Posted: July 06 2013 at 03:01
Matthew Parmenter's epic costumes from the early Discipline days for sure. And the cymbal Bill Bruford played on Red had it not been destroyed. 
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Posted By: TheGreatSopko
Date Posted: July 07 2013 at 22:17
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Rick Wakeman's custom made mellotron the Birotron. Only 1000 were made and only 6 are known to exist today and only 2 of them work. Rick Wakeman doesn't even have one. ------------- Watch as Kings Awakening revives Progressive Rock : http://www.youtube.com/KingsAwakening http://www.facebook.com/KingsAwakening |
Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: July 07 2013 at 23:41
I think I remember reading that he found it in the recording studio trash bin...an incredible sound! Did he destroy it playing "One More Red Nightmare"? ------------- https://wytchcrypt.wixsite.com/mutiny-in-jonestown" rel="nofollow - Mutiny in Jonestown : Progressive Rock Since 1987 |
Posted By: maani
Date Posted: July 08 2013 at 11:33
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Well...if we're talking "history," we should be starting at the beginning, no? -The original schematics for the first keyboard synthesizer, created by Les Paul and given to a little-known engineer-inventor named Robert Moog -The ORIGINAL Moog synthesizer, used by The New York Rock and Roll Ensemble even prior to Emerson's use of one -The organ used by Mark Stein on the first Vanilla Fudge album -The two eight-in, four-out decks used by The Beatles to create Sgt. Pepper -The black Les Paul Custom used by Robert Fripp on In The Court of the Crimson King -The original artwork for Freak Out, Pepper, Court, Piper, Dark Side, and a handful of other groundbreaking albums -Mike Pinder's mellotron (already mentioned) I could go on, but I'm sure you see my intention. Peace.
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Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: July 08 2013 at 12:17
Your statement implies Les Paul created the modern synthesizer and threw a bone to unknown Bob Moog to follow his design and put it together. Can you site a source for this statement? Everything I've read on the subject states that Moog developed the building blocks of the synthesizer in collaboration with composers Herbert Deutsch and Raymond Scott. Moog himself owns many patents including "Electronic Music Synthesizer". Although a clear innovator on guitar design and technique, I've never heard Les Paul mentioned in connection with Bob Moog or the invention of the synthesizer. Inquiring minds want to know  ------------- https://wytchcrypt.wixsite.com/mutiny-in-jonestown" rel="nofollow - Mutiny in Jonestown : Progressive Rock Since 1987 |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: July 09 2013 at 01:18
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Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: July 09 2013 at 02:45
I don't think it can be a real Birotron (btw many less than 1000 were made, I have read several versions of the story but in any case less than 35, it depends on the build level, whether you consider a prototype machine with just one set of tapes as a 'a built unit' or not, or parts never actually assembled etc). According to Wiki some samples of 4 Birotron sounds exist but they are of very poor quality, although Streetly (manufacturer of the Mellotron) has a tape with the Birotron choir.
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Posted By: maani
Date Posted: July 09 2013 at 14:30
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TKC: "Your statement implies Les Paul created the modern synthesizer and threw a bone to unknown Bob Moog to follow his design and put it together. Can you site a source for this statement?" The source is Les himself, with whom I worked for over a decade. Given how much he invented (and how humble a man he was...and he WAS), he has no reason to lie. Les was working on an electronic device originally intended for guitar. It did not seem to be "moving" the way he wanted, so he "fritched" it a bit, and found that it would work quite well for keyboard. Note that this was the mid to late 1950s, or latest early 60s. Bob visited Les about this time, and that was when Les gave him the "schematics" (I am not sure of the EXACT form they took). Although Bob designed most of the elements, the device he demonstrated at the AES convention in 1964 would not have been possible without the schematics that Les gave him: i.e., the ability to use the keyboard as the "conrtoller" device came from what Les gave him. And that device led directly to development of the first Moog synthesizer, which was demonstrated for the first time by The New York Rock & Roll Ensemble at a Young People's Concert at Lincoln Center (with Leonard Bernstein conducting the NY Philharmonic) - a concert I attended when I was 13 years old (late 1970). Re patents, Les had no interest in the patent, which is why he simply gave it to Bob. Indeed, Les invented many other things which he simply "gave away" to others. A funny example is the following. It was sometime in 1957. Les had just completed recording a multi-track of Mary's vocals. A gentleman came to visit him to discuss music, recording, etc. Les went to play him the recording he had just done of Mary's harmonies. However, Les accidentally reset the speed, and the tape got played at a higher speed than normal. He quickly stopped it and reset the machine. But the gentleman said, "wait a minute - can you play that again, the way it was?" Les did, and the man asked him if he could use that idea. Les was not even sure what the guy had in mind, but he said, "sure." That man was Ross Bagdasarian (David Seville), and Mary's speeded-up vocals become the genesis of The Chipmunks. These are apocryphal stories, not urban legends. Again, Les had absolutely no reason to lie - not least because he really did give away quiet a bit, and really didn't care. (He was already stupidly wealthy, and was not "money" kind of guy anyway.) I could tell you plenty of other fun anecdotes re Les, but I those two are relevant to this discussion. As an aside, there is no reason Bob Moog should not take credit for the Moog synthesizer, since even though Les' "gift" to him helped him develop it, Les himself would never have followed up on it, and it was only one component (though admittedly an important one) in a complex machine. Peace.
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Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: July 09 2013 at 15:06
Really nice post, very interesting thanks!
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Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: July 09 2013 at 15:13
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Not very original but Squire's boots are a must in any Prog museum. Anyone wearing those today would most probably be perceived as a drag queen
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Posted By: Mascodagama
Date Posted: July 09 2013 at 16:20
The 18" high Stone Henge model would make a nice display stand for that cucumber. Though if we can have just one exhibit from the Tap I'd say it would have to be an amp that goes up to 11. ------------- Soldato of the Pan Head Mafia. We'll make you an offer you can't listen to. http://bandcamp.com/jpillbox" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp Profile |
Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: July 09 2013 at 16:54
This is a revolutionary claim and Les was clearly a musical innovator in fields ranging from electric guitar and pickup design to multi-track recording technology and concepts. The problem is I've reviewed several sources (the books, "Electronic and Experimental Music - Pioneers in Technology and Composition" and "Analog Days - The Invention and Impact of the Moog Synthesizer") and can find no mention of Les Paul's involvement in electronic tone generators or their marriage to a keyboard controller. On the other hand, it's clearly stated that Moog began his company to manufacture Theremin kits in 1953 and after coming in contact with composer Raymond Scott, began designing electronic circuits in the latter '50's. Moog even credits Scott as influencing his designs. Further, I found a fine article that describes the length and breadth of Les' musical innovations, but once again, no mention of electronic music devices or concepts. http://www2.gibson.com/News-Lifestyle/Features/en-us/les-paul-the-inventor-1110-2012.aspx" rel="nofollow - http://www2.gibson.com/News-Lifestyle/Features/en-us/les-paul-the-inventor-1110-2012.aspx I searched online and did find a Les Paul - Bob Moog connection under Norlin Inc. The company owned both Gibson and Moog in the early 70's and as heavies in both divisions they became good friends...but the article clearly implies that their relationship began after Norlin, not before. The full article lives here: http://moogfoundation.org/remembering-the-creative-genius-and-soul-of-les-paul/" rel="nofollow - http://moogfoundation.org/remembering-the-creative-genius-and-soul-of-les-paul/ I mean no offense, but without being able to corroborate your account, I find it difficult to accept that Les Paul rather than Bob Moog was the father of the modern keyboard synthesizer. ------------- https://wytchcrypt.wixsite.com/mutiny-in-jonestown" rel="nofollow - Mutiny in Jonestown : Progressive Rock Since 1987 |
Posted By: Neo-Romantic
Date Posted: July 09 2013 at 16:55
Ha yeah, I heard that too, with one side folded like an Australian bush hat to fit in the bin. By brother and I tried recreating it with an old Zildjian crash he cracked. It actually worked! Then he broke it... |
Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: July 09 2013 at 17:00
Already got one...  ------------- https://wytchcrypt.wixsite.com/mutiny-in-jonestown" rel="nofollow - Mutiny in Jonestown : Progressive Rock Since 1987 |
Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: July 09 2013 at 18:38
Squire looks like a deranged 60's go-go dancer...and if I could, I'd put Alan White's haircut in the museum too ------------- https://wytchcrypt.wixsite.com/mutiny-in-jonestown" rel="nofollow - Mutiny in Jonestown : Progressive Rock Since 1987 |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: July 10 2013 at 01:28
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How about a 'Clavioline' ?? Precious few Prog bands used one (Amon Duul II, Dragon - NOT the New Zealand band...)
The Choir-Organ Jimmy Jackson used in A.D.II
......indeed very rare and precious gear which possibly reside in museums somewhere already.........
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Posted By: maani
Date Posted: July 10 2013 at 17:43
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TKC:
I certainly understand your skepticism. However, I was among Les' "inner circle" for a time, and probably know as much about his and his history (including personal stuff) as anyone. As I have noted, Les was simply not the kind of person who would lie about such a thing. He had no reason to, given how much he had contributed to the music industry re inventions, electronics, etc. And you will simply have to take me word, as someone who knew him well, that he was also almost ridiculously humble about all of it. You would obviously not find anything on the Web, in any literature, etc. about this issue, since, to Les, it was simply a "moment in passing" that meant virtually nothing to him. (As was giving David Seville the idea for The Chipmunks...among MANY other "give-aways.") BTW, Les also invented the underlying electronics for almost every single original guitar effect box, from fuzz to flange (though he was not involved in developing the wah-wah pedal). Peace. |