Who is your favorite second tier prog band?
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Topic: Who is your favorite second tier prog band?
Posted By: Prog_Traveller
Subject: Who is your favorite second tier prog band?
Date Posted: February 12 2013 at 23:51
OK, I left out a few important ones like The Nice, Procul Harum, and some of the major canterbury bands like Hatfield and the North, National Health and and Egg but you can't have everyone. I sincerely apologize to fans of those bands since they are all great in their own right. I also apologize to Le Orme and Dream Theater fans. King Crimson, ELP and Rush were too obvious and some might say Kansas aren't really second tier either. Oh well. I tried folks. I tried.  |
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Posted By: Neo-Romantic
Date Posted: February 12 2013 at 23:55
VDGG, but honestly, it's a little painful to know they're regarded as second tier.  They're first in my book and it wouldn't surprise or bother me in the slightest if they hold that spot for life.
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Posted By: Prog_Traveller
Date Posted: February 12 2013 at 23:58
Well I know. I hear you. But I'm going by the thought of if I asked some guy off the street which ones would they have heard of. The ones the average Joe would know about would be first tier. Plus many of these bands never got the attention they deserved. ANd before some of you say the average Joe would know Kansas that might be true but most people think of them as classic rock and not prog. Only us freaks know the truth about these bands.  |
Posted By: Neo-Romantic
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 00:20
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Haha of course, totally understand. After all, if the members of this site got to determine which groups are grouped into which tier, the world would collapse under the weight of its collective increase of awesome
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Posted By: Prog_Traveller
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 00:29
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I see you finally voted. :) Not sure yet who I'm going to vote for yet but probably either VDGG or Camel.I like GG a lot too but not quite as much as those two. |
Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 00:41
VDGG and Gentle Giant aren't second tier 
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Posted By: Eria Tarka
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 00:55
I tend to think of them as second tier, where as bands such as King Crimson, Yes, Jethro Tull, ELP, Pink Floyd, and Genesis (the big 6) would be 1st tier. Though I love GG and VDGG a lot more than some of the big six bands. Anyways I'm voting for Camel, a band that is certainly in my top 5. |
ProgMetaller2112 wrote:Posted By: Neo-Romantic
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 01:11
Haha sure did! Had to get my post count high enough first |
Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 01:13
JT??? Sure they're good but really ------------- “War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.” ― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four "Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart |
Posted By: zeqexes
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 01:21
It's not up to his opinion what's first-tier and second-tier, it's famousness. Tull are a well known rock group that are a lot more famous than Gentle Giant and VdGG, thus making them first-tier. I'm not at all saying that JT are any better than GG or VdGG, but they're just a more popular progressive rock band. ------------- 
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Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 01:24
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Lately out of this list, definitely Soft Machine.
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 01:26
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Happy the Man from the list, Saga and Banco as well. Not mentioned: Morgan. |
Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 01:49
I don't think you can make that difference between first tier and second tier. The average person would hardly know Yes or Genesis either if it weren't for a few albums most of the community consider to be "pop". And when I ask my brother, who is ten years older than I am, how it had been in his young days he would tell you that bands like Uriah Heep, Deep Purple or Santana were much better known than Genesis or Yes. Of these bands here it is very hard for me to choose between Gong, Magma and Van der Graaf Generator; I like all three very much. I can tell you which of these bands is my least favourite one though: Barclay James Harmless. -------------  BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: Angelo
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 02:28
I think you never thought of them that way until you saw this poll ------------- http://www.iskcrocks.com" rel="nofollow - ISKC Rock Radio I stopped blogging and reviewing - so won't be handling requests. Promo's for ariplay can be sent to [email protected] |
Posted By: Prog_Traveller
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 02:34
Um, I don't get it. What exactly were you waiting for?  |
Posted By: Sumdeus
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 02:40
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Out of all of these, Gentle Giant for sheer volume of quality. Really wanted to vote VDGG or Soft Machine too though ------------- http://sumdeus.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - Sumdeus - surreal space/psych/prog journeys |
Posted By: Prog_Traveller
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 02:41
Morgan weren't mentioned because they aren't second tier. THey might not even be third tier. Geez, if I included them I'd have to include A LOT of other bands including Greenslade, Fruupp and Curved Air just to mention a few.One band who I really should have included was Triumvirat. Oh well. Those who want to see a big list of old bands and albums from the seventies go here www.progressiverock.com |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 02:42
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My top three from this list are Gentle Giant, Van der Graaf Generator and Magma. Voted for GG. ------------- 
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Posted By: Neo-Romantic
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 02:45
Forum members can't officially vote in polls til their post count reaches 40. It's not that I didn't want to from the start, I just wasn't able to at the time. |
Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 02:58
| Genesis |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 03:00
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Posted By: Bosh66
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 03:12
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Marillion, followed by PFM/Banco, Kansas and Soft Machine (then Camel, VDGG ....)
Not sure that Marillion or VDGG are second tier? Mind you I suppose time moves on and their premier league status is a thing of the past.
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Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 03:27
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1. Focus
2. Gentle Giant
3. Camel ------------- A Elbereth Gilthoniel silivren penna míriel o menel aglar elenath! Na-chaered palan-díriel o galadhremmin ennorath, Fanuilos, le linnathon nef aear, sí nef aearon! |
Posted By: friso
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 04:38
| silly poll |
Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 04:39
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Most of my favourite bands are on this list.
These bands are second tier ONLY because of lower album sales and fame compared to the "first" tier bands. In quality terms, most of these bands are actually better because they didn't sell out to gain popularity and achieve high sales.
I went for Camel (the best band that's ever played for me) but I love GG, Marillion, IQ, Strawbs, Focus, Renaiassance, Mannfred Mann's Earthband, Caravan and BJH and like most of the rest (except Magma and VDGG, and the latter only because of the vocals).
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 04:42
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i tend to think Supertramp to be a second tier prog band, and also Roxie Music -------------  
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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 04:49
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I don't like the term "second tier" at all. It suggests "second class".
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Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 04:53
Quality wise, GG were first tier beyond doubt; popularity wise, it was about as uncool as it could be to admit you liked them. The same applies for Marillion, where admitting you're a fan puts you on a par with someone who wears tweed suits and drives a Morgan in my experience.
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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 05:08
If that is the meaning of "first tier" then it is equal to "commercially successful". Why use the euphemism? ------------- BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 05:29
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Second tier, second division are both expressions widely used in this context. There is no mystery. Although Marillion were not second tier. They were the top Prog band of their day. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: seventhsojourn
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 05:33
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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 05:34
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I did not mean to say it is a mystery.. It is not a mystery at all. I just wonder about the euphemism. If you mean "commercially successful" then out with it. ------------- BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 05:41
Because second tier is quicker and easier and perfectly acceptable. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 05:49
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I disagree. The term "second tier" is somewhat depreciating.
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 06:05
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It isn't. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 06:18
It is no surprise we are of a different opinion. 
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Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 07:02
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It's Camel for me. I don't see why people make a fuss about descriptive language. Second Tier is perfectly clear and easy to use. Everyone knows exactly what it means in this context. Insisting on circuitous doublespeak gobbledygook for the sake of political correctness is ridiculous. And anyone who thinks Gentle Giant were ever as popular as ELP is nuts. ------------- 
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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 07:06
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Maggie Ma
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Posted By: Roland113
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 07:07
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No real surprise on my vote, chalk up one for "The Flower Kings". The one thing I'm curious about is your mention of 'Le Orme' and it seemed that you were saying that they're considered first tier. So here's my question, this is a band that I've never listened to, who's a fan, where should I start and are they an 'important' band. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 07:20
Well what can I say? the fact that you feel it makes them sound second rate simply does not make it so. You are entitled to your feeling of course but it doesn't alter the fact. For my part I am not forming an opinion, just stating that the author did not intend it that way. And neither does anyone who uses the expression. If we meant that we would have said "second rate" rather.. You are right though. We very rarely agree on anything at all.
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Posted By: Kirillov
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 07:31
| VdGG from that list. |
Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 08:52
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Gentle Giant. Magma, Focus, Caravan and Kansas are great too! ------------- https://gabebuller.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - New album! http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385 |
Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 09:01
This---on the delicious power of the supersized Hamburger Concerto.
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Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 09:04
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Several of these bands, I would not consider second-tieer at all. When I think second-tier bands, I think Greenslade or Argent (I like both those bands by the way), not Camel, VDGG, Gentle Giant, etc. Anyway, tough choice b/w VDGG and GG for me as those are pretty much tied as my second-favorite bands behind Genesis. No vote simply because I can't choose b/w the two. ------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you? |
Posted By: Melomaniac
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 09:16
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Gentle Giant, Camel, "second tier" bands ? Whatever you say, dude,
Voted Gentle Giant, could have voted Camel also, Saga or Spock's Beard too... ------------- "One likes to believe in the freedom of Music" - Neil Peart, The Spirit of Radio |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 10:07
| Renaissance from that list. |
Posted By: Earthmover
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 10:14
| Van der Graaf Generator. |
Posted By: pfloyd
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 11:07
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camel. ------------- check out my art: http://alexanderbennett33.wixsite.com/portfolio 
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Posted By: b_olariu
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 11:50
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second tier bands??? really, none of these from the list are second tier bands for me |
Posted By: Evolver
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 11:54
I agree. But it's a good fit for Genesis. ------------- Trust me. I know what I'm doing. |
Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 12:08
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GonG from the list from the planet GonG. Closely followed by the Softies
BOTH are FIRST TIER ------------- Help me I'm falling! |
Posted By: Roland113
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 12:12
taps the mic . . . "hello . . . umm, hello" looks at it, "umm, is this thing on? So here's my question, this (Le Orme) is a band that I've never listened to, who's a fan, where should I start and are they an 'important' band.
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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 12:17
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Camel. Maybe second tier in progland (and some 20 years ago I considered them also as much less than Genesis, Yes etc.) but in Moogtronia they are in the top 3 of favorite prog bands these days. Hard to explain why... somehow they strike a chord with me... over and over again, and their music stays fresh for a long time, and even grows on me; yes, even after 20 years.
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Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 12:18
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^^If you like RPI, then definitely Le Orme is a band worth checking out. I'd start with Felona e Sorona; or Collage. Contrappunti and Storia o Leggendo are also favorites of mine. I like a lot of their stuff, but like a lot of RPI and other prog bands, they hit a bit of a low point in the 80's, and in this case with 1990's dreadful Orme. I think they are considered part of the big 3 of RPI, along with PFM and Banco.
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Posted By: Dr. Occulator
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 12:21
Ditto on that: GG & Camel 2nd tier? I know better than that. ------------- My Doc Told Me I Have Doggie Head. |
Posted By: Roland113
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 12:51
Thanks Doc, I knew I had heard the band name before but couldn't place it. Yeah, a quick search would have gotten me into the genre but 'where to start' and 'are they important' were the questions that I needed help with. Thanks to Spotify, I'll be listening to Collage this afternoon.
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 12:55
i still find it better to call it second tier then second rate,  GG is the best band on the list IMO -------------
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Posted By: Mr. Mustard
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 13:06
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Had to go with the Beard. ------------- 
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 13:08
I would personally recommend for most proggers starting with Felona e Serona if available (I hate the English language version, by the way, but you might like it). My favourite is Contrapppunti, but Uomo di Pezza is the one I would recommend secondly. Collage is great too, but I put it a little below Uomo di Pezza, Felona e Serona and Contrappunti i liked all of their 70s albums to some extent, as well as the first two released in this millennium. It'd definitely a top tier band when it comes to Italian Symphonic Prog. It was my first Italian Prog love. Anyway, my vote from the list would be for Magma followed by Soft Machine, VdGG, Banco and Gong. For other I might choose Can, Art Zoyd, Area or Popul Vuh if those were considered second tier bands. Can is big, buy say Art Zoyd would probably be third tier in terms of popularity (Univers Zero would be bigger and I also love). |
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 14:20
Yes, mine too. Wonderful album...
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Posted By: The Bearded Bard
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 15:05
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I don't understand why so many has a problem with the term "second tier". It's about popularity and commercial success, not quality. GG is my second favourite prog band (and gets my vote here), but they're still "second tier", i.e. not as popular as "the big six of prog", i.e. the six most popular and commercially successful prog bands in the '70's; PF, ELP, Yes, KC, JT and Genesis. -------------  
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Posted By: MonsterMagnet
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 15:05
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I choose Magma, their discography is of very rare quality! But it's still a merciless poll
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Posted By: Melomaniac
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 15:11
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Just noticed Ange in the choices... Man I love that band, so many classic albums, such as Au-delà du Délire, Émile Jacotey, Par les fils de Mandrin, Guet-Apens... ------------- "One likes to believe in the freedom of Music" - Neil Peart, The Spirit of Radio |
Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 15:20
There is a German proverb: "Der Ton macht die Musik", meaning "It is a matter of phrasing". You can either say to your boss "Boss, you are a pretty smart person" or "Boss, you are not a completely dumb idiot". The first will make him feel pleased, the second probably won't, though both mean the same. Same here. Why not say "less commercially successful" instead of "second tier"? The latter sounds somewhat belittling. I used to be a professional translator, and it is very important for a translator to get such nuances, at least if you are worth your salt. ------------- BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 15:28
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^Why not let him say second tier? It is perfectly fine. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 15:33
I just explained why. ------------- BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 15:46
SO DID I!!!! Can't we be allowed to express ourselves as we wish? Please let us. Theree are many polls using this terminolgy already. Many reviwers use this or similar terms. The words are not5 offensive to the bands. get over your hangups and stop being a dictator. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 15:53
I give the dictator back to you. As to "similar terms": That's exactly my point; "less commercially successful" is such are similar term. Why use a term which can be seen as belittling? If I called you, for example, a "second tier poster" (which I don't), would you not feel belittled? ------------- BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 15:53
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Other-Triumvirat Though i consider them as my favorite band, and the best band of all time, many would consider them second tier. And i have never come across anybody like me who considers them the greatest. Oh, well. Such is life (Though if "second tier" is about popularity and commercial success, then T'rat qualify) |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 15:56
In that case as the phrase is not known in this way you would have to explain it. And I'm not the dicatator..I don't want to tell him to change anything!!!!!! Jesus Christ! f**k it I can't handle this stupid discussion anymore. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 15:57
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This second tier civil servant votes for the finest band of all time, Marillion, a first tier band who are a second tier band these days in terms of commercial success, but a first tier band in terms of quality. Tears over tiers. Whatever next? ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 15:57
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Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 16:03
I don't consider swearing to be any kind of an argument. And I never told anyone to change anything. You are putting words into my mouth which I did not use. ------------- BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: Prog_Traveller
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 16:05
You can play any ball you want but you lose no matter what because this is my poll!!! GG are actually more popular in prog circles than ELP are now but so what? That's not the point. I'm going by album sales here and reputation and over all popularity. Ask any regular guy off the street if they have heard of ELP compared to GG. Bam. The thing is if I included GG in a top tier poll then I'd also have to include Camel, Marillion, Kansas, VDGG, Caravan, Focus, Renaissance and on and on. GG aren't much more popular or accepted than those bands even in prog circles. If you look on here VDGG have albums with more ratings than GG so ultimately GG get lumped in with second tier. Live with it. Anyway, no need to get flustered over this anyway since it's all subjective. I do admit there's a thin line in terms of popularity between King Crimson and GG and GG and ELP or whatever but also between GG and VDGG and several other bands. I had to make a decision and since GG although somewhat popular in their day never got HUGE the way the big named bands did I decided to keep them in second tier. I could have put Crimson in this list too or even Dream Theater but I didn't. YOu can do your own poll and do things your way next time. Really it's not that big a deal. As for Morgan, I honestly don't think they are anywhere near as well known as the bands I listed or mentioned. I will look into them though since apparently they put out some fine symphonic prog. Maybe you can do a third tier poll with them Druid, Greenslade, Finch, Egg, Fruupp, FM, Earth and Fire, Trace, Grobschnitt, Novalis, Hoelderlin, New Trolls, Le Orme, Atoll, Pulsar, Asia Minor, Shylock, Acqua Fragile, Comus, Supersister, Moving Gelatine Plates, Bubu, Area, Univers Zero, Granada, Triana, Kaipa, Anglagard and tons of other bands with apparently solid albums. In my view, Morgan fall alongside those bands as far as reputation(if they're lucky)and not in second tier. Anyway, like I said this is all subjective and all just my opinion so really no need to get upset about it. |
Posted By: DanthraX
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 16:37
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I feel very comfortable saying second tier bands from a comercial/popularity perspective, even though VDGG, who gets my vote, is probably my favorite band of all the prog universe, so I do understand why people have to make such classification. By the way I always thought/feel the big bands/first tier were 5 not 6 (excluding ELP)... ------------- I look up, I'm almost blinded by the warmth of what's inside me and the taste that's in my soul, but I'm dead inside as I stand alone... |
Posted By: Prog_Traveller
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 16:39
Exactly!!!! Well stated! Like I said, I had to make the cutoff somewhere and trust me it wasn't easy to do. I had reservations about putting GG as well as Marillion and Kansas as second tier and as far as quality goes VDGG as well not to mention Camel(a few of my all time favorite bands right there). So I decided that name recognition would be the biggest factor. To be honest GG really aren't quite that well known to the newer prog fan, or younger prog fan who is going to discover ELP, KC and the other obvious bands before GG. I didn't make the rules here so getting on my case about this is sort of like shooting the messenger.  |
Posted By: Prog_Traveller
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 16:42
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The big six could be: ELP, KC, JT, PF, Yes and Genesis. One could substitute Rush or even Gentle Giant for one of those. The big five or six is not something that's set in stone and is dependent to a great degree on personal interpretation. |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 17:03
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I voted Camel. Great band, very consistent. ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 17:07
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Christ's nobs this is difficult.
But going by the letter I must choose Soft Machine. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Prog_Traveller
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 18:08
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Well I hesitated to put Soft Machine as a choice because in all honesty they are more like Jazz or fusion to me. I may as well have added RTF, WR or Mahavishnu Orchestra. |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 19:37
| Really, can we get more pedantic about something? The big five/six/first tier is Pink Floyd, Yes, Genesis, ELP, JT, KC and add Rush from the next generation to that list. I voted for Gentle Giant and I like them more than every band but PF and KC from that list. Yes, it is not universal but it is understood widely enough. May I suggest that it is more productive to first ask Prog Traveller what he means by second tier instead of taking shots at him for doing so? If you agree that second tier is 'relative, then he is as much allowed to have his own understanding of it as you are. For heavens sake, find something better to rant about. |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 20:44
Tull has sold over 60 million albums. That's more than Yes, ELP or King Crimson. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 20:58
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Kayo Dot should be first tier. Also The Who should be listed here because they are second tier music players. I can't wait till we get to 4th tier! ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: Prog_Traveller
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 21:38
Sorry but Tull have not sold more albums than Yes. You're going to need to provide some proof if you insist that they have. JT only have one multi platinum album(3 x platinum): "aqualung." Other than that they have about ten gold albums. Yes have two multi platinum albums(Fragile and 90125 with 90125 being three times platinum). Other than that they have 5 platinum albums(including classic Yes and Yessongs). Of course all of those platinum albums also went gold. |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 21:42
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JT haven't sold more than Yes. Correct. ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 22:02
I can't find any official source, but the highest number I can find for Yes' worldwide sales is http://genesisgts.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=obands&action=display&num=1308418772" rel="nofollow - 50 million, whereas Jethro Tull has sold more than http://www.jethrotull.com/press/tullbiolong.html" rel="nofollow - 60 million, so it seems you are wrong. -------------
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Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 22:10
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There's truth in numbers,
There's truth in scales, There's truth in science, And truth in sales. And when the sweetness, Comes to an end, You try to bargain, To live again. ------------- |
Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: February 13 2013 at 22:14
Uomo Di Pezza, Felona E Sorona and Contrappunti are must-haves if you like symph / RPI.
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Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: February 14 2013 at 01:01
| Gentle giant is the definition of prog. They are first tier. |
Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: February 14 2013 at 01:06
| Tull are the best band on earth. |
Posted By: ten years after
Date Posted: February 14 2013 at 01:42
But the average Joe would think of Genesis as a Pop band (or Phil Collins' backing band).
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: February 14 2013 at 01:59
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Posted By: HannesHolmqvist
Date Posted: February 14 2013 at 03:21
| That would be VdGG, I rate them above all but Crimson. |
Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: February 14 2013 at 08:33
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Let's do the next tier! ------------- https://gabebuller.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - New album! http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385 |
Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: February 14 2013 at 08:37
Back in the mid 80's, I heard a radio announcer announce them as "Phil Collins and Genesis". I bet Tony would have loved that. ------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you? |
Posted By: Roland113
Date Posted: February 14 2013 at 09:34
Thanks Gerinski, Logan and The Doctor also recommended Felona E Sorona . . . sadly, unless it was translated or something, that was one of the few that wasn't available on Spotify. I did give Contrappunti and a few others a run yesterday afternoon. It was good stuff, it was background music at work though, so I didn't focus enough on it to have a well developed opinion as of yet. Thanks for your help (all three of you). Tom
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Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: February 14 2013 at 10:07
| ^Collage is also a must, in my books |
Posted By: Prog_Traveller
Date Posted: February 14 2013 at 13:36
SEEMS being the key word here. As you said you can't find any OFFICIAL source so until you can you can't say I'm wrong. The numbers just don't add up. If you are talking US sales only then Yes definitely have Tull beat. Since I only live in the US any other numbers are irrelevant to me. |
Posted By: Prog_Traveller
Date Posted: February 14 2013 at 13:40
Maybe but at least they would know who they are. Most people would NOT know who GG are. I was talking to some guy once. Or maybe I should say he was talking to me. Anyway, he said I was a "gentle giant." I asked him if he heard of the band called Gentle Giant. He said no and quickly changed the subject. |
Posted By: Prog_Traveller
Date Posted: February 14 2013 at 13:43
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See you went just a bit too far here-- No because I was just making a point AND just stating MY opinion. If anything you went too far by saying I went too far. ;) Anyway, GG first tier but Yes, ELP and PF rock and not first tier prog? REALLY? |