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Topic: z.a.r.p.e.k. (O-Z) XVIPosted By: Mellotron Storm
Subject: z.a.r.p.e.k. (O-Z) XVI
Date Posted: January 10 2013 at 16:10
Down to the last five polls so some great picks here.
Man i'll have a hard time voting against Meddle although that Weidorje album and Implosion are both awesome as well.
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Replies: Posted By: Fox On The Rocks
Date Posted: January 10 2013 at 16:13
Great list here, I at least know half of the albums for once. Probabaly going with some Samla Mammas Manna.
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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: January 10 2013 at 16:21
You are certainly not making it easy John
Some masterpieces in here, including TD, Stormy Six and Schulze. I have absolutely no idea what to vote for....
And yes, Meddle is a great album, but do everybody really adore St. Tropez and Seamus? Echoes sits on that pizza like a giant anchovie.
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Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: January 10 2013 at 16:23
Fox On The Rocks wrote:
Great list here, I at least know half of the albums for once. Probabaly going with some Samla Mammas Manna.
Probably my favourite from them, i really like the guitar in this one.
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Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: January 10 2013 at 16:26
Guldbamsen wrote:
You are certainly not making it easy John
Some masterpieces in here, including TD, Stormy Six and Schulze. I have absolutely no idea what to vote for....
And yes, Meddle is a great album, but do everybody really adore St. Tropez and Seamus? Echoes sits on that pizza like a giant anchovie.
Your probably right David about Meddle, i just love how charming this is(well besides Echoes) it just makes me feel good. Echoes is incredible of course and so different from the rest.
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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: January 10 2013 at 16:32
Mellotron Storm wrote:
Guldbamsen wrote:
You are certainly not making it easy John
Some masterpieces in here, including TD, Stormy Six and Schulze. I have absolutely no idea what to vote for....
And yes, Meddle is a great album, but do everybody really adore St. Tropez and Seamus? Echoes sits on that pizza like a giant anchovie.
Your probably right David about Meddle, i just love how charming this is(well besides Echoes) it just makes me feel good. Echoes is incredible of course and so different from the rest.
I was just playing devil's advocate to be honest I love Meddle, and Echoes is just about my most favourite tune from Floyd. Some of it approaches Krautrock imo - although the tune Embryo comes even closer to that:
Still, I do think that those three aforementioned records all are 'better' than the accumulated deliciousness of Meddle
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Posted By: Sumdeus
Date Posted: January 10 2013 at 16:35
Meddle? you mean that one album that has the greatest song ever created on it? yeah I might vote for that...
Guldbamsen wrote:
but do everybody really adore St. Tropez and Seamus?
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: January 10 2013 at 16:45
Hmm...
Close call for me. TD, KS, Weidorje, and SMM can easily take it for me.
I'll have to think it over.
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Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: January 10 2013 at 17:30
Guldbamsen wrote:
Mellotron Storm wrote:
Guldbamsen wrote:
You are certainly not making it easy John
Some masterpieces in here, including TD, Stormy Six and Schulze. I have absolutely no idea what to vote for....
And yes, Meddle is a great album, but do everybody really adore St. Tropez and Seamus? Echoes sits on that pizza like a giant anchovie.
Your probably right David about Meddle, i just love how charming this is(well besides Echoes) it just makes me feel good. Echoes is incredible of course and so different from the rest.
I was just playing devil's advocate to be honest I love Meddle, and Echoes is just about my most favourite tune from Floyd. Some of it approaches Krautrock imo - although the tune Embryo comes even closer to that:
Still, I do think that those three aforementioned records all are 'better' than the accumulated deliciousness of Meddle
Hey has that track(Embryo) ever been released officially ? I do have it on a BBC disc which i know isn't authorised by the band probably the same version from the video you posted. There's some other great tracks on those BBC sessions as well.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: January 10 2013 at 17:31
I have all but the PT, and like all of those very much. That said, L'Apprendista is the one that gets my vote.
Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: January 10 2013 at 17:43
Logan wrote:
I have all but the PT, and like all of those very much. That said, L'Apprendista is the one that gets my vote.
It's been so long since i've listened to this but i did give it 4.5 stars. I will listen to it tonight or tomorrow. Thanks Greg !
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Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: January 10 2013 at 17:53
I went with Samla on this one, but it could have just as easily been KS, and surely (once I hear them) the UZ/Present albums.
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: January 10 2013 at 18:04
I voted Meddle. Not a big Floyd fan, really, but Meddle is my favorite of theirs, and does things for me their other records don't.
Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: January 10 2013 at 18:44
Sumdeus wrote:
Guldbamsen wrote:
but do everybody really adore St. Tropez and Seamus?
I certainly do
So do I. I grew up with that record, and love every track. Especially Pillow of Winds, a totally beautiful tune that people don't ever seem to talk about. But yeah, Echoes is the main attraction, and probably my intro into the world of "prog epics", long before I even knew what prog was.
I was going to vote for another album, but after saying all this, I don't know how I could not vote for Meddle now. I gues it'll be Meddle. But a very strong HOORAY for "Certitudes" and "Weidorje" as well. Ricochet's very nice too. A good round all around.
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: January 10 2013 at 19:06
Sumdeus wrote:
Guldbamsen wrote:
but do everybody really adore St. Tropez and Seamus?
I certainly do
Posted By: Wanorak
Date Posted: January 10 2013 at 19:22
PT Stars Die for me. It has their spacey and quirky stuff on it. I much prefer the early stuff to the last couple of PT albums.
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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: January 10 2013 at 19:40
Oh Man.
I have no idea how I am going to choose on this list. I adore the Samla, PF, Present, UZ, KS, TD & Weidorje.
I'm going to have to think about this for a bit.
Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: January 10 2013 at 20:37
HolyMoly wrote:
Sumdeus wrote:
Guldbamsen wrote:
but do everybody really adore St. Tropez and Seamus?
I certainly do
So do I. I grew up with that record, and love every track. Especially Pillow of Winds, a totally beautiful tune that people don't ever seem to talk about. But yeah, Echoes is the main attraction, and probably my intro into the world of "prog epics", long before I even knew what prog was.
I was going to vote for another album, but after saying all this, I don't know how I could not vote for Meddle now. I gues it'll be Meddle. But a very strong HOORAY for "Certitudes" and "Weidorje" as well. Ricochet's very nice too. A good round all around.
As much as i love Weidorje and Implosion i agree with you Steve, it's hard for me to justify not voting for Meddle. In my opinion Floyd's first 5 star record and every track is special.
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Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: January 10 2013 at 20:38
presdoug wrote:
I voted Meddle. Not a big Floyd fan, really, but Meddle is my favorite of theirs, and does things for me their other records don't.
I agree with you Doug but it isn' my favourite from them, but yes it does things for me their other ones don't.
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Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: January 10 2013 at 20:41
Wanorak wrote:
PT Stars Die for me. It has their spacey and quirky stuff on it. I much prefer the early stuff to the last couple of PT albums.
This is a must for PT fans what with all the info in the liner notes as each track is discussed and so on. Plus i agree that it really is a nod to the first period of their discography which was spacey and quirky. I've owned this one for a long time and still enjoy it.
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Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: January 10 2013 at 20:42
Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:
Oh Man.
I have no idea how I am going to choose on this list. I adore the Samla, PF, Present, UZ, KS, TD & Weidorje.
I'm going to have to think about this for a bit.
Well that's almost the whole list so good luck picking just one.
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: January 10 2013 at 21:44
I don't know too much from this poll. You would have gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for those Meddleing kids.
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Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: January 10 2013 at 22:00
Although I love every single track on Meddle, I'm trying to avoid voting for the Floyds because they are...too known.
So from this list I don't have to think too much, nothing can beat Weidorje. Definitely one of my top three Zehul albums.
Edit: I feel like Dark Side Of The Moon is up on the next one
Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: January 10 2013 at 22:06
sagichim wrote:
Although I love every single track on Meddle, I'm trying to avoid voting for the Floyds because they are...too known. So from this list I don't have to think too much, nothing can beat Weidorje. Definitely one of my top three Zehul albums.
Edit: I feel like Dark Side Of The Moon is up on the next one
Yes Weidorje would have been my pick if i didn't vote Meddle as well.
Well i guess i can spill the beans. No Dark Side Of The Moon isn't up next.
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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: January 11 2013 at 04:07
About Embryo John, I am positively certain that it never received a proper slot on any of the Floyd releases. Just goes to show how incredibly thick musicians can be. Well they didn't like Atom Heart Mother either, and that's just about my favourite studio album from them
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Posted By: Sumdeus
Date Posted: January 11 2013 at 04:19
I think i recall finding a studio version of Embryo from some compilation, but iirc it wasn't nearly as good as the two BBC version. Speaking of which, boy do I love that BBC bootleg. 15 minute Fat Old Sun is bliss.
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: January 11 2013 at 04:28
I have to vote for Meddle here, but Ricochet and Timewind belong to the best Progressive Electronic albums.
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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: January 11 2013 at 07:04
It's not good seeing so many excellent albums in the list and not being able to vote for all of them.
Meddle is my favorite album ever
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Posted By: digdug
Date Posted: January 11 2013 at 07:26
Meddle, Ricochet and Timewind
Oh My!
love them all
voted Ricochet
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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: January 11 2013 at 07:31
Guldbamsen wrote:
About Embryo John, I am positively certain that it never received a proper slot on any of the Floyd releases. Just goes to show how incredibly thick musicians can be. Well they didn't like Atom Heart Mother either, and that's just about my favourite studio album from them
They probably wouldn't have released Atom Heart at all if they hadn't been so desperate for material. Lucky for us they did.
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Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: January 11 2013 at 08:15
Sumdeus wrote:
I think i recall finding a studio version of Embryo from some compilation, but iirc it wasn't nearly as good as the two BBC version. Speaking of which, boy do I love that BBC bootleg. 15 minute Fat Old Sun is bliss.
As we all know Floyd has released a lot of material the last few years and a lot of bonus material but i don't have any of those so i was just wondering if this was included in one of them. A shame if it hasn't been. My BBC Archives set i admit are pirate copies i got from Greg Walker from Tachika. It's a two disc affair wiith The Embryo, Fat Old Sun, Green Is The Colour, Careful With That Axe Eugene, If and Atom Heart Mother on disc one. The last track is 25 plus minutes. On disc two it's Fat Old Sun, One Of These Days, The Embryo, Echoes and Blues. Fat Old Sun is 15 minutes plus, The Embryo just under 10 minutes and Echoes at just under 27 minutes. The first disc is from July 1970 and the second September of 1971 and both are John Peel presentations.
Would love to have a legit copy of these live recordings but since the band seems to not be into it i don't feel guilty at all buying what's available.
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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: January 11 2013 at 08:26
Those 1970-71 Pink Floyd BBC recordings are some of my favorite recordings ever done by the band. I considered that version of Atom Heart Mother to be the definitive version, it even sounded better than the album, at least until I got the 2011 remaster of AHM a couple of months ago, now the studio version is king once again.
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Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: January 11 2013 at 08:31
HolyMoly wrote:
Those 1970-71 Pink Floyd BBC recordings are some of my favorite recordings ever done by the band. I considered that version of Atom Heart Mother to be the definitive version, it even sounded better than the album, at least until I got the 2011 remaster of AHM a couple of months ago, now the studio version is king once again.
Okay quit tempting me to break out the wallet for newer versions of Floyd. It's been tempting enough already. Sort of like all the Zappa re-issues.
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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: January 11 2013 at 08:38
Mellotron Storm wrote:
HolyMoly wrote:
Those 1970-71 Pink Floyd BBC recordings are some of my favorite recordings ever done by the band. I considered that version of Atom Heart Mother to be the definitive version, it even sounded better than the album, at least until I got the 2011 remaster of AHM a couple of months ago, now the studio version is king once again.
Okay quit tempting me to break out the wallet for newer versions of Floyd. It's been tempting enough already. Sort of like all the Zappa re-issues.
The good news is that all the fanatics who bought the 2011 remasters are now selling those and buying the new 2012 sets. It's essentially the same remaster job, but in new packaging with some new material. So I've been vulturing around the used shops and finding a lot of 2011 remasters in the bins there.
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Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: January 11 2013 at 09:05
I have the same double Floyd bootleg with the green cover, and as far as I know Embrio was never officially released. There is another shorter version (about 5 minutes) in some compilation, I know because a friend of mine has that one.
Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: January 11 2013 at 09:34
sagichim wrote:
I have the same double Floyd bootleg with the green cover, and as far as I know Embrio was never officially released. There is another shorter version (about 5 minutes) in some compilation, I know because a friend of mine has that one.
Found it ! I don't have this but it's on the 1983 compilation called "Works". So there's one official version of it at just under 5 minutes as you said Sagi.
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Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: January 11 2013 at 09:46
^ Are you sure it's official?
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: January 11 2013 at 09:57
Mellotron Storm wrote:
sagichim wrote:
I have the same double Floyd bootleg with the green cover, and as far as I know Embrio was never officially released. There is another shorter version (about 5 minutes) in some compilation, I know because a friend of mine has that one.
Found it ! I don't have this but it's on the 1983 compilation called "Works". So there's one official version of it at just under 5 minutes as you said Sagi.
Yep. I have this Works compilation.
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Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: January 11 2013 at 11:08
rushfan4 wrote:
Mellotron Storm wrote:
sagichim wrote:
I have the same double Floyd bootleg with the green cover, and as far as I know Embrio was never officially released. There is another shorter version (about 5 minutes) in some compilation, I know because a friend of mine has that one.
Found it ! I don't have this but it's on the 1983 compilation called "Works". So there's one official version of it at just under 5 minutes as you said Sagi.
Yep. I have this Works compilation.
I know Prog Archives only lists official releases so as Scott says, it's official.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: January 11 2013 at 11:34
Mellotron Storm wrote:
rushfan4 wrote:
Mellotron Storm wrote:
sagichim wrote:
I have the same double Floyd bootleg with the green cover, and as far as I know Embrio was never officially released. There is another shorter version (about 5 minutes) in some compilation, I know because a friend of mine has that one.
Found it ! I don't have this but it's on the 1983 compilation called "Works". So there's one official version of it at just under 5 minutes as you said Sagi.
Yep. I have this Works compilation.
I know Prog Archives only lists official releases so as Scott says, it's official.
I bought the Works album when it came out as a present and know that it's an official release, but since anyone can add albums, one can at times find unofficial releases/ bootlegs in the database. They tend to get removed, but I expect that some, especially with rather lesser names, may slip through the cracks. I think I remember some unofficial Italian Pink Floyd releases, and maybe Led Zep, being added before, but they were caught.
By the way, "Embryo" was first released on the Harvest Records various artists sampler Picnic - A Breath of Fresh Air in 1970.
Mellotron Storm wrote:
Logan wrote:
I have all but the PT, and like all of those very much. That said, L'Apprendista is the one that gets my vote.
It's been so long since i've listened to this but i did give
it 4.5 stars. I will listen to it tonight or tomorrow. Thanks Greg
!
I must admit that I voted without listening to that album for some years. I used to love it, but when I listened with half-an-ear since I was multi-tasking ( not a great way for me to listen to lot of music unless I pretty much know it by heart), again last night it didn't appeal as much as it once did. It even seemed rather "pedestrian prog" at times. Maybe I wasn't really in the mood (my bent over the last year has been more towards Krautrock, and generally "progressive" music outside of PA, albeit Prog related).
Had I listened to all of these albums afresh, then I think Timewind would have got my vote (interesting that the two I most considered voting for would be voteless had I not voted for one of them). Stil,l wasn't a favourite Schulze of mine. Weidorje is great, but I overplayed it a bit. The Present and UZ I really liked, but haven't listened to them for a long time. Meddle has been one of my favourite Floyd's too, but I have difficulty paying it full-attention these years for some reason, and that SMM is very good, but not one I'm really in the mood for now. Ricochet is reaaly gooid -- rather surprised it doesn't have more votes.
Posted By: Sumdeus
Date Posted: January 11 2013 at 14:51
as long as my Floyd vinyls work I'm cool off the remasters.
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: January 11 2013 at 20:02
Oh yeah I haven't yet voted......
I can't believe Klaus isn't getting any love. Personally I feel this was his best period. He made the "coffee-trilogy" ( Blackdance, Picture Dream and Timewind all had those coffee brown Daliesque motifs on their cover)
and this one finishes it off beautifully. I love the way the music washes over me, and with Schulze you often feel as if he utilises the ocean itself to conjure up sound.
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: January 12 2013 at 02:52
After listening to my four, I've decided I'm giving my vote SMM.
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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: January 12 2013 at 03:11
Guldbamsen wrote:
Oh yeah I haven't yet voted......
I can't believe Klaus isn't getting any love. Personally I feel this was his best period. He made the "coffee-trilogy" ( Blackdance, Picture Dream and Timewind all had those coffee brown Daliesque motifs on their cover)
and this one finishes it off beautifully. I love the way the music washes over me, and with Schulze you often feel as if he utilises the ocean itself to conjure up sound.
Klaus is only unlucky for being in a list like this
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Posted By: The-time-is-now
Date Posted: January 14 2013 at 01:48
Meddle / Pink Floyd.
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