Chicks and prog
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Topic: Chicks and prog
Posted By: Neelus
Subject: Chicks and prog
Date Posted: November 30 2012 at 15:07
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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: November 30 2012 at 15:09
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Ha! True story -- I lost my virginity to "Thick as a Brick"
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Posted By: Neelus
Date Posted: November 30 2012 at 15:22
 That deserves top prize! |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: November 30 2012 at 15:37
 My answer: gotta hear them all before I vote, although I doubt that any of these choices will do. I'm serious.
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HolyMoly wrote:Posted By: smartpatrol
Date Posted: November 30 2012 at 15:43
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Never had a date but probably will have one and out of all of these, CTTE.
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Posted By: Fox On The Rocks
Date Posted: November 30 2012 at 15:47
 This is a naughty, naughty poll. You are a dirty man my my friend.  I'd blast some Sunn O))) - that would keep her infatuated. ------------- 
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Posted By: smartpatrol
Date Posted: November 30 2012 at 15:54
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Maybe Supper's Ready would be nice. The overall theme is quite romantic.
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: November 30 2012 at 15:59
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Kansas! "Don't Open Your Eyes" ... followed by ... "Back Door"  ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: November 30 2012 at 15:59
Really? I lost mine to a woman. But whatever works for you!  ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: November 30 2012 at 16:00
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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: November 30 2012 at 16:01
--- I voted for Tull here. ------------- 
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Posted By: Sumdeus
Date Posted: November 30 2012 at 16:03
the true answer is always Camel. Bitches love Camel. 
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: November 30 2012 at 16:03
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Aqualung with snot dripping down my nose. ------------- 
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Posted By: Wanorak
Date Posted: November 30 2012 at 16:04
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ATOTT. ------------- A GREAT YEAR FOR PROG!!! |
Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: November 30 2012 at 16:08
------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: November 30 2012 at 16:08
------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: November 30 2012 at 16:09
------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: Earendil
Date Posted: November 30 2012 at 16:18
It's all about the Free Hand 
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Posted By: zravkapt
Date Posted: November 30 2012 at 16:30
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Some of those album titles...Thick As A Brick, Free Hand, A Trick Of The Tail, One Size Fits All and especially If I Could Do It Again, I Would Do It All Over You...may not be the best choices for a date. Since we're on the subject, its my birthday this weekend and I plan on getting my (girl)'friend' to pose in my ProgArchives t-shirt for my avatar. This text from her will be my new signature: "Koenjihyakkei... I'm sorry but is that really legal to be called music.. 0_0"  ------------- Magma America Great Make Again |
Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: November 30 2012 at 16:43
Darn, that must really hurt! ------------- I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth. |
Posted By: Quirky Turkey
Date Posted: November 30 2012 at 19:33
| I'd say Trick of the Tail. It's got some nice accessible tunes like Ripples, and the girls are more likely to recognize and like Phil Collins. Although as a young person, I don't think I'd risk playing prog to a likely partner. |
Posted By: smartpatrol
Date Posted: November 30 2012 at 20:00
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/\ I don't want a girl who doesn't like prog
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Posted By: Luna
Date Posted: November 30 2012 at 20:13
That's pretty close-minded ------------- https://aprilmaymarch.bandcamp.com/track/the-badger" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Alitare
Date Posted: November 30 2012 at 20:15
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All I gotta say is: 'Don't Answer Me' - Alan Parsons Project. With that painful adult contemporary jazz sax solo and the maudlin, 1980's cynical romantic love lyrics, you can't go wrong here, m'boys. |
Posted By: smartpatrol
Date Posted: November 30 2012 at 20:22
Well, I'd at least want a girl who had a considerable overlap in taste with me ------------- http://bit.ly/1kqTR8y" rel="nofollow"> The greatest record label of all time! |
Posted By: Aussie-Byrd-Brother
Date Posted: November 30 2012 at 20:22
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My ex used to really respond to the sadder Steven Wilson/Porcupine Tree stuff like `Buying New Soul', `Don't Hate Me', etc, but I remember listening to their instrumental improv P.Tree album `Metanoia' and her saying `You have to stop playing this, it's so boring....it's like...nothing music'
At this point I was like `You know, I don't think this is working anymore....' lol!
Only kidding! But seriously, this list is so strange, I couldn't imagine really ANY of these albums `impressing the ladies' much. God, one listen to Peter Hammill's screeching theatrical tormented rants and they'd run a mile!! |
Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: November 30 2012 at 20:41
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I think if i wanted to get rid of a woman i'd put Peter Hammill on but to seduce her with it ? Are you kidding !
I knew one very attractive girl who loved Zappa but i think overall i'd go with the majority and pick Caravan. ------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: November 30 2012 at 20:52
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My wife loves Jethro Tull, so TAAB from the list. But for a prog album on a date? The Moody Blues' Days of Future Passed has always been a splendid choice.
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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: November 30 2012 at 20:52
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Don't forget that Peter Hammill had a compilation LP called "Love Songs". I don't know who he thinks is going to sit on that awful couch though.  ------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: Aussie-Byrd-Brother
Date Posted: November 30 2012 at 21:00
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Holy Moly! Wow.....just...I'm speechless!
Move over `Love Beach', Hammill just landed the top spot for sexiest cover on the Archives!! 
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: November 30 2012 at 21:47
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Oh boy, I guess Genesis. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: November 30 2012 at 23:32
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A Trick of the Tail seems to have that melodic quallty that most of the ladies I have known go for. At least the missus prefers the more melodic stuff (she dislikes King Crimson and can't stand The Residents). For myself, though, there are some Vangelis albums that have worked really well date-wise, such as Antarctica and Themes. Loosing one's virginity to Thick as a Brick, though, is classic. ------------- The world of sound is certainly capable of infinite variety and, were our sense developed, of infinite extensions. -- George Santayana, "The Sense of Beauty" |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: December 01 2012 at 00:52
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Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: December 01 2012 at 01:29
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I wouldn't advise any of those during a date if you want it to last. I'm just picturing the girl trying to get to first base but the guy is going " Check out that Hammond babe..." |
Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: December 01 2012 at 01:31
Good luck with the single life dude. ------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you? |
Posted By: Earthmover
Date Posted: December 01 2012 at 09:25
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Pawn Hearts. -------------  |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: December 01 2012 at 10:15
Cracker!
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Posted By: QuestionableScum
Date Posted: December 01 2012 at 10:48
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Out of the list I would most likely play Caravan on a date.
But i find this thread's heternormative bias offensive. :P Not all of us are interested in chicks. |
Posted By: Alitare
Date Posted: December 01 2012 at 11:04
You could apply it to lesbians - you could have a lesbian interested in prog who is trying to date other women who're interested in prog. As for homosexual men - they don't exist, anyway.
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Posted By: QuestionableScum
Date Posted: December 01 2012 at 11:21
Haha I wondered if someone would go with lesbian angle, which defeats my attempt at humour. Good job. 
I guess I do not exist. 
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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: December 01 2012 at 11:56
^ Your joke doesn't work anyway. I didn't get it either.
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Posted By: QuestionableScum
Date Posted: December 01 2012 at 12:01
There is nothing to "get." I was just feigning outrage at the seeming exclusion of gay men from this thread, because the thread's title was "chicks and prog." |
Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: December 01 2012 at 12:03
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The only clear choice here is Ruins.
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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: December 01 2012 at 12:05
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Posted By: QuestionableScum
Date Posted: December 01 2012 at 12:08
It is unfortunate for me. I am the only gay man that I know that likes prog, although I am sure there are others I just have not met any. I know there are a few of us on this board. |
Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: December 01 2012 at 12:30
------------- The world of sound is certainly capable of infinite variety and, were our sense developed, of infinite extensions. -- George Santayana, "The Sense of Beauty" |
Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: December 01 2012 at 12:45
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Posted By: Neelus
Date Posted: December 01 2012 at 13:09
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I guess I am not surprised that the Hammill cover would not gain any votes Other than that, I am surprised that we have 2 very honest members voting for the Frank Zappa title
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Posted By: Alitare
Date Posted: December 01 2012 at 13:23
They don't exist. It was proven by ol' Nietzsche some time ago. I guess you missed it. He disproved gay men and discovered electricity right around the same time Richard Simmons was inventing Hinduism and the assembly line in 1642 - something something ocean blue. sh*t, that doesn't seem right. That's the last time I take my history lessons from books I bought in the Dollar Store. At least they were right about that fabricated moon landing fiasco stuff. To think, Neil Armstrong was actually a tralmafadorian transvestite carousel operator. The depravity that Washington will sink to! The de-evolution will not be traumatized. Some type of Shakespearean quote. I got it! Et tu, brute? And a partridge in a pared brie. Oh, okay. I was kidding.
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Posted By: smartpatrol
Date Posted: December 01 2012 at 13:26
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I think chicks could dig Wind and Wuthering. Maybe I'm just hoping to much
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Posted By: MFP
Date Posted: December 01 2012 at 13:29
That would be a crazy and noisy night .Caravan for me, lovely album.
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Posted By: Luna
Date Posted: December 01 2012 at 13:58
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Caravan, but only for the title ------------- https://aprilmaymarch.bandcamp.com/track/the-badger" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: December 01 2012 at 14:35
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Vigil in a wilderness of mirros......exhibitionist ! ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: December 01 2012 at 22:49
Truer words have never been spoken. ------------- https://gabebuller.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - New album! http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385 |
Posted By: ergaster
Date Posted: December 02 2012 at 12:43
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This chick would dig King Crimson: Larks Tongues, Red, and/or Starless. And Tull. I was a monster Tull fan back in the day. I had trouble finding dates who liked prog. Just sayin'..... ------------- We have done the impossible, and that makes us mighty. Captain Malcolm Reynolds Reality rules, Honor the truth Chemist99a R.I.P. |
Posted By: Neelus
Date Posted: December 02 2012 at 12:57
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^ Careful with that axe Eugenia, you might end up with a whole bunch of strange proggists at your doorstep! Its great hearing about fems liking this wacky music, keep proggin |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: December 02 2012 at 13:28
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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: December 02 2012 at 15:07
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Posted By: Argonaught
Date Posted: December 02 2012 at 15:40
Reminds me of Julia Fealey, Gerald's "chum ('Little Milton in Schoolgirl Pregnancy Row).
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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: December 02 2012 at 15:49
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^ Remember how she grabbed her top on that photo?
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Posted By: Flucktrot
Date Posted: December 02 2012 at 17:03
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1st place (both title sensuality/pervertedness and actual music): Caravan Perhaps ironically, their album In the Land of Grey and Pink would also win both for me compared with anything on this list. Last place (both title and music): Hammill....yikes. Also, I don't have any losing-virginity stories, but the first time I made out with my future wife, I put my playlist on random (starting with Journey for the lady, of course). She was still there through Jacob's Ladder, and the shuffle chose nicely by ending on June. ------------- Thank you, God of Rock, for this chance to kick ass |
Posted By: ergaster
Date Posted: December 02 2012 at 17:28
Sorry, I've been married these several years, to a guy who doesn't much care for prog. (I love these "chicks and prog" threads, they make me laugh) ------------- We have done the impossible, and that makes us mighty. Captain Malcolm Reynolds Reality rules, Honor the truth Chemist99a R.I.P. |
Posted By: Smurph
Date Posted: December 02 2012 at 17:33
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Peter Hammil because I want the lady to love depressing stuff :) ------------- http://pseudosentai.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - http://pseudosentai.bandcamp.com/ wtf |
Posted By: RedNightmareKing
Date Posted: December 02 2012 at 17:49
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To be honest, I wouldn't vote for any of these albums (especially Zappa and Hammil, good albums though). To be honest, I would really throw on some Moody Blues with Days of Future Passed. Quality stuff, girls really enjoy Nights in White Satin and Dawn is a Feeling.
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Posted By: Argonaught
Date Posted: December 02 2012 at 17:55
| "Chicks" aside, last Halloween we figured out that Storm Corrosion is creepy enough for scaring some unprepared trick-or-treaters. |
Posted By: ergaster
Date Posted: December 02 2012 at 18:55
LOL! A couple years ago some neighbours were blasting Echoes as their Halloween soundtrack. That works too, on a dark and windy night. ------------- We have done the impossible, and that makes us mighty. Captain Malcolm Reynolds Reality rules, Honor the truth Chemist99a R.I.P. |
Posted By: RedNightmareKing
Date Posted: December 02 2012 at 20:46
It works too well, if you ask me. ------------- I consider drone metal to be progressive... |
Posted By: Eria Tarka
Date Posted: December 03 2012 at 01:06
That would be... interesting
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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: December 03 2012 at 04:51
Lately for Halloween, I've played Danzig's "Black Aria", Current 93's "Nature Unveiled", and The Swans' "The Seer". ------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: smartpatrol
Date Posted: December 03 2012 at 09:42
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Posted By: JocBT
Date Posted: April 11 2013 at 14:33
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Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: April 11 2013 at 15:56
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I guess none of the listed. ------------- Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour) |
Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: April 11 2013 at 16:01
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I like to bust out some MDK or UZ - Heresie when I'm on a date. That usually gets the babes all hotted up at my dorkdom. When I'm really feeling that Casanova mood come over me, I like to slip on some Merzbow for that special lady. ------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you? |
Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: April 11 2013 at 16:04
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Swiftly follwed by the sound of the door slamming shut. ------------- Help me I'm falling! |
Posted By: jude111
Date Posted: April 11 2013 at 17:34
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You better get some Al Green.
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Posted By: jude111
Date Posted: April 11 2013 at 17:38
I had gfs who loved prog. That had nothing to do with how we got along. My wife doesn't like my music, and everything's hunky dory (knock on wood). (Although to be fair, she pretended to love my music for the first couple of years,
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Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: April 12 2013 at 02:12
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There's a charm to A Trick of the Tail that will make me and a girl on a date very And afterwards ------------- “War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.” ― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four "Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: April 12 2013 at 02:16
| ^ Very ... smiley? ... And afterwards ... winky? |
Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: April 12 2013 at 02:20
^^ Very happy? ... Afterwards? ....Well...
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Posted By: Neo-Romantic
Date Posted: April 12 2013 at 03:46
I gotta say, this is a toughie. The albums that my girlfriend and I listened to the night we met were Starless and Bible Black and Red, then I gave her copies of Red and Inner Mounting Flame (the latter she's heard most often and really likes), she likes Yes, and my favorite album on this list is The Silent Corner, but she wasn't too keen on Hammill's voice when I gave her a copy of Godbluff, so I literally have no idea how to vote. 
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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: April 12 2013 at 05:50
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None of the ones listed I suspect. Alright, if you are lucky enough to bag one of those freaky chicks that love everything hippie/punk/alternative - you might get away with Caravan. For dates, I'd pick one of these, which incidentally brings in some funkyness with the prog:   ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Tubes
Date Posted: April 12 2013 at 08:49
| Caravan - If I Could Do It Again I'd Do It All Over You could seem a bit pushy. A Trick of the Tail has feminine sensibilities, which makes it a great choice, but if Close to the Edge gets played it will not be a night she would soon forget! I probably wouldn't force my taste in music on a first date anyhow though. |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: April 12 2013 at 10:24
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I reckon Trick of the Tail is the only one that wouldn't send them running for the exit.
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Posted By: Tubes
Date Posted: April 13 2013 at 01:37
| If you played Free Hand by Gentle Giant you'd need one, 'cause you're not getting laid any time soon. |
Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: April 13 2013 at 02:19
OK, Tubes that is unnecessary. I know you don't like GG but stop it already! ------------- “War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.” ― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four "Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: April 13 2013 at 02:22
I'm curious to know if Tubes likes Gong. ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: Stool Man
Date Posted: April 13 2013 at 02:55
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Posted By: Lynx33
Date Posted: April 13 2013 at 05:52
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Shining: Lots of Girls Gonna Get Hurt (Ep, 2012)
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Posted By: Aussie-Byrd-Brother
Date Posted: April 13 2013 at 07:39
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[QUOTE=Guldbamsen] None of the ones listed I suspect. Alright, if you are lucky enough to bag one of those freaky chicks that love everything hippie/punk/alternative - you might get away with Caravan. For dates, I'd pick one of these, which incidentally brings in some funkyness with the prog: [/QUOTE=Guldbamsen]
DAMN, Dave, I have not listened to that dirty sweaty Afreeeeeeeeka! album in years, and it is the SEX itself!! Going to dig it out now, that honking noisy sax is a killer....ladies, line up! That's also a great cover too, the only way I would have found it even better is if instead of a wrestler it was a ninja!
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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: April 13 2013 at 10:26
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: April 01 2015 at 05:20
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LOL none of them |
Posted By: Michael678
Date Posted: April 01 2015 at 07:03
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having sex while prog's playing in the background...hmmm, interesting, but i've been single all my life, so no vote. ------------- Progrockdude |
Posted By: sublime220
Date Posted: April 01 2015 at 17:21
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Caravan. While I love GG, it would be the most awkward one to play with all the harmonizations. ------------- There is no dark side in the moon, really... Matter of fact, it's all dark... |
Posted By: proggman
Date Posted: April 12 2015 at 16:31
Genesis, A Trick of the Tail.------------- When he rides, my fears subside. For darkness turns once more to light. Through the skies, his white horse flies. To find a land beyond the night. |
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: April 12 2015 at 20:39
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I never dated a girl, but my guess would be Jethro Tull - Thick as a Brick
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Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: April 12 2015 at 21:06
Michael678 for the FAB activity you mentioned above, there are so many euphoric brilliant tracks just to name a few here I suggest:
I did not name any David Bowie's songs however he has many and is my top pick. Sonia
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Posted By: emigre80
Date Posted: April 14 2015 at 19:56
Misogynistic humor like this is probably why some women avoid prog and progheads. Just for the record, we don't much like being collectively referred to as "bitches," even as a joke.
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Posted By: sublime220
Date Posted: April 14 2015 at 20:17
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Posted By: emigre80
Date Posted: April 14 2015 at 20:33
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^ Had I made a racist joke on this site, I would have been lambasted for it. And quite rightly so, I should add. But I was 99% certain that objecting to a sexist comment would be met by an admonition to "Lighten up." There are times when I'd really prefer to be wrong. This was one of them.
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: April 14 2015 at 22:27
You are certainly not wrong, Terri. The "b*tches" comment was idiotic and not at all humorous (although I'm not even sure if that is what the poster was attempting). You don't need to "lighten up" either. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |