Does ELO belong in the archives?
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Topic: Does ELO belong in the archives?
Posted By: Sir Hogweed
Subject: Does ELO belong in the archives?
Date Posted: July 20 2005 at 17:36
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In the 80s, before I became aware of hardcore prog like early Genesis and Yes I listened to bands like The Alan Parsons Project, Supertramp, ELO, Queen. I don't consider them to be prog bands, but the progressive elements in their music (especially their early stuff from the 70s) lured me into the real stuff eventually, and I still love them for it. If Supertramp and TAPP can be on this site as Art Rock bands, why can't ELO be? ELO's early albums are much proggier IMHO than any work by the bands mentioned earlier. On their first record they sound pretty dark and experimental (much like VDGG). Should ELO be included (or Queen for that matter), or should TAPP and Supertramp be excluded? |
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Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: July 20 2005 at 17:37
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Posted By: Sir Hogweed
Date Posted: July 20 2005 at 17:50
| Oops, sorry! I only tried a search on the homepage. |
Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: July 20 2005 at 18:47
| Not to worry. Just remember - if it seems like an obvious question we've probably discussed it before. |
Posted By: Losendos
Date Posted: July 20 2005 at 20:13
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elo yes queen no ------------- How wonderful to be so profound |
Posted By: Proglover
Date Posted: July 20 2005 at 20:36
ELO, YES.......QUEEN, YES...and for the final time YES!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Losendos wrote:Posted By: 46and2
Date Posted: July 20 2005 at 21:18
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FIRE ON HIGH!! they should be on this web site ------------- 
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Posted By: Zagnut
Date Posted: July 20 2005 at 21:40
| Oh yeah, I definitely feel that Fire on High is full of prog elements, I'm not real aware of a lot of their other work though so I can't really say if they belong on this site or not, maybe though. Anyone have any ideas? |
Posted By: MANTICORE
Date Posted: July 20 2005 at 22:13
elo is good but not prog..!! peace.! -------------  |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: July 20 2005 at 22:59
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ELO is a mainstream band that plays with Orchestra instruments, maybe their first two albums could be prog, but after the disater of Discovery (Very Disco) and Xanadu with Olivia Newton John I have no doubts that they are not prog'. Some great albums including A Neew World Record but not prog Either. Iván ------------- 
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Posted By: Zac M
Date Posted: July 20 2005 at 23:15
| They have some pretty good catchy songs, but they are not prog IMO |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: July 20 2005 at 23:23
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Well, not to be unfair, I believe they arre more than just catchy, but I agree not mainly progressive. Iván -------------
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Posted By: Zac M
Date Posted: July 20 2005 at 23:31
| Also, Jeff Lynne was a good arranger and songwriter |
Posted By: The Rock
Date Posted: July 20 2005 at 23:49
Of course they deserve to be in the Archive!!!Come on you guys!Just listen to their first four albums,not just their first couple,wich of course were prog.Another one of those bands whose victim of their success.Just because they became famous and had hits does'nt mean they're not prog.ELO,Queen,Supertramp,Deep Purple,Golden Earring ect...ALL PROG!Those should be include with selected discography,pointing to their prog albums,other sites and books do it why not PA?
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Posted By: Rubedo
Date Posted: July 21 2005 at 02:23
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Whoa, has anybody ever heard there first two albums (No Answer and ELO
II)?!?! Roy Wood was with them and that stuff was as progressive
as Genesis ever was, although never as good. Listen to "In Old
England Town (Boogie #2)," "From the sun to the World," "Kuiama,"
"10538 Overture," Even stuff from the later albums (before Lynne
sold out) like "Dreaming of 4000" "Ocean Breakup/King of the Universe"
those are very much progressive and great songs. However ELO will
always be remembered for fluff like "Strange Magic" and "Evil
Woman." ELO was originally very very progressive. ------------- The views expressed are that of Rubedo and Rubedo alone, don't think that I don't realize this! |
Posted By: BiGi
Date Posted: July 21 2005 at 02:35
Maybe for the first time in my belonging to this forum I have to agree with Ivàn 
Discovery and Xanadu, despite featuring a bunch of catchy songs, are definitely CHEESY!  ------------- A flower? 
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Posted By: BiGi
Date Posted: July 21 2005 at 02:37
LATER albums? The songs you pointed out come from their third release chronologically! We're talking 1973, friend! ------------- A flower?
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: July 21 2005 at 07:27
| ELO are on "The Best Prog Album In The World Ever..." so they must be prog. Mind you, so are Deep Purple and Roxy Music and I don't consider them prog overall. Queen aren't on it tho'. I guess there are problems with bands like these who have done some prog stuff (e.g. Deep Purple Concerto) but I think you have to take an overall picture. |
Posted By: sigod
Date Posted: July 21 2005 at 09:11
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: July 21 2005 at 09:46
I feel your pain. |
Posted By: Olympus
Date Posted: December 24 2005 at 02:05
I couldn't agree more, queen is good but they are not prog. ------------- "Let's get the hell away from this Eerie-ass piece of work so we can get on with the rest of our eerie-ass day" |
Posted By: progaeopteryx
Date Posted: December 31 2005 at 15:19
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Once you let in bands like Deep Purple, Asia, Queen, Styx, Ambrosia, Alan Parsons Project, and even Supertramp into the Archives, you've opened the door for other similar acts. ELO clearly falls into this group. Their first three are easily symphonic prog, the next two are a mix of symphonic prog and art rock. From there on it's mostly pop rock with some prog tendencies on a few songs. I don't see much difference between this amount of prog in ELO's career and the amount in the above mentioned bands. Furthermore, ELO made it into the GEPR and is listed in Jerry Lucky's discography in The Progressive Rock Files, updated ed. issued in 2000. To me, ELO's entry is a no brainer. |
Posted By: HeirToRuin
Date Posted: December 31 2005 at 15:26
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I actually bought the essential ELO collection recently. I
remember them from my early childhood days since my uncle was a huge
Olivia Newton John fan (mainly Xanadu). Anyway, after going through that disc, there weren't very many songs I would call prog. It was more straightforward arena rock to me mainly geared for commercial purposes. ------------- ARTEMIA - http://www.reverbnation.com/artemiamusic" rel="nofollow - http://www.reverbnation.com/artemiamusic L.i.E. - http://www.reverbnati |
Posted By: fcoulter
Date Posted: January 01 2006 at 17:15
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Most "essential" collections are far more interested in marketability than being a good overview of the band. Are any songs on this collection from ELO's first album? ------------- Fredrik V Coulter 
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Posted By: Phil
Date Posted: January 01 2006 at 18:44
| Noooooooooo!!! |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 01 2006 at 19:00
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I will submit ELO as a possibility for the Archives, and let the process of band inclusion take its course. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: transend
Date Posted: January 01 2006 at 20:32
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ELO??? yeah of course.... They did a concept album with an orchestra ....and some wonderful proggy songs elsewhere, even their 80's album 'Time' was cheesy sounding but a concept album... WAY more proggy than: Queen, Radiohead, Messhuggah, Tool etc etc... |
Posted By: Lambskin
Date Posted: January 01 2006 at 22:54
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Realy depends on which "Prog-expert" you ask. ------------- www.sinistergrin.net ROCK ON! Lambskin |
Posted By: Kotro
Date Posted: January 02 2006 at 07:04
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ELO deserves to be here as much as Queen, Meatloaf and Jethro Tull. ------------- Bigger on the inside. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: January 02 2006 at 08:31
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: January 03 2006 at 00:20
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I believe originality and imagination are not your strongest characeristics
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Posted By: Kotro
Date Posted: January 03 2006 at 04:39
Not really... ------------- Bigger on the inside. |
Posted By: The Rock
Date Posted: January 03 2006 at 10:35
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A HUGE AND RESOUNDING YES!!!! ------------- What's gonna come out of my mouth is gonna come out of my soul."Skip Prokop" |
Posted By: XTChuck
Date Posted: January 03 2006 at 10:41
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The first two ELO albums are most definitely prog. If you haven't heard them, they are worth checking out. The band's 3rd 4th & 5th albums are somewhat prog but have a lot of "Top 40" sounding tunes. After that, they became even more of a pop band not a prog band at all.....still good for a few more albums, though.
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Posted By: hawkbrock
Date Posted: January 04 2006 at 17:33
| ELO were rather commercial. |
Posted By: Fitzcarraldo
Date Posted: January 04 2006 at 18:50
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Rather commercial?! You're one for understatement then, hawkbrock. "Don’t bring me down, grroosss
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Posted By: fcoulter
Date Posted: January 04 2006 at 19:03
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ELO took less time than Genesis to become commercial. Perhaps rather than adding ELO, we should drop Genesis? (Of course, that'll mess up the top 10 album list....) ------------- Fredrik V Coulter
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Posted By: NecroManiac
Date Posted: January 05 2006 at 01:51
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ELO was prog, thus at least the first two albums should be included, or you should at least add them to the dreaded "prog-related" list. |
Posted By: Pafnutij
Date Posted: January 05 2006 at 02:12
| I've never actually heard ELO, but everywhere I see them described as prog/art-rock. I found it strange that Queen, which is rarely associated with prog , is included, while ELO isnt. |
Posted By: hawkbrock
Date Posted: January 05 2006 at 08:10
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I suppose lol. |
Posted By: spacecraft
Date Posted: February 04 2006 at 19:30
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Most of the arguments over ELO, seem to lie with their later stuff. From A New World Record onwards ELO aimed at an American market which would be very profitable for Jeff Lynne and co. However...to enjoy their proggier stuff you need to go abck to their earlier albums not sit and judge the 80's stuff, which was pure commercialism. If ELO are not welcome here, why are other dodgy prog related band allowed? At least ELO were proggi-ish once. ------------- To Him as the Supreme King and Judge we commit our cause, casting our cares upon Him and firmly trusting that He will inspire us with courage and bring our enemies to nought. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: February 04 2006 at 20:58
hahahah... nice of you to drop in, some people have set ideas of what prog is and is not. Some are more open minded. This thread is probably best left to die. Some people feel strongly about it... on both sides of the argument. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: The Rock
Date Posted: February 05 2006 at 01:08
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Yes they belong here!!! ELO were prog.At least on their first 4 albums. ------------- What's gonna come out of my mouth is gonna come out of my soul."Skip Prokop" |
Posted By: ridingonacamel
Date Posted: February 05 2006 at 08:37
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MAN WHERE DID U FIND THAT
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