That makes me very sad
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Topic: That makes me very sad
Posted By: altaeria
Subject: That makes me very sad
Date Posted: April 04 2012 at 14:07
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I really enjoy many of the classic Iron Maiden albums ... but on THIS site, I can't objectively give them more than 2 stars ... and that makes me very sad.  . |
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: April 04 2012 at 14:09
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Then don't. Or rate the music for what it is.
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 04 2012 at 14:13
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Why can you not? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: April 04 2012 at 14:21
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What happens if you give them more than 2 stars? ------------- Help me I'm falling! |
Posted By: Rivertree
Date Posted: April 04 2012 at 14:29
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... Iron Maiden will complain ...
------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Rivertree" rel="nofollow">  |
Posted By: altaeria
Date Posted: April 04 2012 at 14:44
I try to maintain the "integrity" of the site's rating system when I give stars to albums that I personally enjoy, but don't necessarily think fit under the PROG umbrella for most listeners. Granted, there does appear to be plenty of questionable 5-star PROG masterpieces around here ... so maybe I'm taking the rating system too literally.  |
akamaisondufromage wrote:Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: April 04 2012 at 14:45
Yes you can. You can rate them anything you feel between one and five stars. The guidelines were written in regard to the bulk of the contents of PA, PP & PR are exceptions. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 04 2012 at 14:48
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I'm sure the guide was written different for Prog Related at one time. But now it is back in line with the rest of the site I see. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Junges
Date Posted: April 04 2012 at 14:54
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Sorry, but this is REALLY foolish of you. "Oh I consider this album a masterpiece, really it is five stars, but.......... in my opinion, it is not prog, so.... 2 stars.". That's really stupid. Nobody cares if it is prog or not. We judge the QUALITY of the album, not the PROGINESS. ------------- 
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: April 04 2012 at 15:51
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Sorry, I dodn't understand why you feel you can't rate them higher. The ratings description for the prog Realted category where Iron maiden presides is: One doesn't have to rate according to whether it's Prog (often a subjective evaluation anyway)', and if your concern was that it's metal rather than rock, well metal is a subset of rock. Just because this is Prog archives doesn't mean you have to rate based on perceived Prog quotients. Just rate based on how much you like the album. My problem with the ratings guidelines is that it mentions rock. In the prog categories they mention progressive rock in the descriptions, and I believe that they once had progressive rock in the ratings guideline for Prog Related. They got rid of the word progressive, but they kept the word rock. I think it should just be music. If anything, I would rather they changed it to progressive music than get rid of the word progressive and keep the word rock, not that I really think one should attempt to rate an album by how progressive (adjective) it is, nor how Prog (noun) it is. EDIT: or maybe it was progressive music before, and then they changed it to rock. Still, I prefer just music. I wouldn't want to rate a great non-rock album lower just because it's not rock, and it might be amazingly progressive. |
Essential: a masterpiece of rock music(38%)
Excellent addition to any rock music collection(31%)
Good, but non-essential (8%)
Collectors/fans only (15%)
Poor. Only for completionists (8%)
Posted By: zravkapt
Date Posted: April 04 2012 at 19:00
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So, no one thinks Kind Of Blue being in the Top 50 is Kind Of Odd? ------------- Magma America Great Make Again |
Posted By: npjnpj
Date Posted: April 05 2012 at 04:40
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I've always felt uncomfortable about reading reviews here stating that the number of stars given is lower than they would be because an album is (apparently) not prog (enough). This is a grave injustice towards any album/artist and reflects badly on this site and the reviewers themselves (pompous twits). Any album on this site should be eligible for any rating between 1 and the full 5 stars, regardless. Its presence on this site alone should dictate that option. |
Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: April 05 2012 at 08:29
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This makes me sad. I can't objectively give this topic any value toward 'Helping us improve the site'. ------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow">  https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |
Posted By: Angelo
Date Posted: April 05 2012 at 09:46
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True. So let's move it elsewhere. As in Prog-Related and Proto-Prog lounge. Either way, I think Logan's response says it all. ------------- http://www.iskcrocks.com" rel="nofollow - ISKC Rock Radio I stopped blogging and reviewing - so won't be handling requests. Promo's for ariplay can be sent to [email protected] |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: April 05 2012 at 12:20
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We could put you in a real iron maiden and then you'd really be sad. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Diverse_torture_instruments.jpg" rel="nofollow">
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Diverse_torture_instruments.jpg" rel="nofollow">
Or if you prefer we have vVarious neo-medieval torture instruments. An iron maiden stands at the right.  ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: April 05 2012 at 13:39
| I have seen a lot of times when people would rate a "prog related" album lower because it is not progressive enough. This is really a shame, that's why we have the "prog related" sub genre, for bands who have little to do with prog rock but still have the connection and produce high quality music, we should rate them acording to it's genre and the quality of the music. |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: April 05 2012 at 14:39
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Actually if you dare rate any of their albums with five stars someone will knock on your door in the middle of the night and you will be taken somewhere bad... Avoid doing it. ------------- 
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: April 05 2012 at 17:38
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I rate the debut 4 stars and Killers 5-- they are masterpieces of progressive rock, or in the case of PA, Prog-Related masterpieces. Either way, vote your conscience and back it up with a passionate or convincing reviewing and you can rate anyone however you please. |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: April 05 2012 at 22:26
| Even if the concern is that a PR album should not get hoisted to the top of the ratings when it is not prog, a band that is classified as PR may not necessarily have only non prog albums. Seventh Son or Powerslave have more to do with prog metal than Oceanborn. Likewise for their later albums from Brave New World to AMOLAD...I think classifying them as prog metal, while a bit loose, is fair enough. |