acid-folk/folk singer/songwritter for prog fan?
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Topic: acid-folk/folk singer/songwritter for prog fan?
Posted By: progbaby
Subject: acid-folk/folk singer/songwritter for prog fan?
Date Posted: March 16 2012 at 19:09
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Hi All I really hope this is not considered an inappropriate thread for this group since this is a prog group. But please know I'm a die hard prog fan but I alternate my time listening to a lot of 1970's singer-songwritter and folk and acid folk too. Sometimes theirs a fine line between acid-folk and prog (ie, Spiyogyra, Forest, Comus, Steeleye Span, Fairport Convention), etc... Even Strawbs/David Cousins carries the folk label at times... For some reason, the melancholy stuff by the more obscure (yet undeservedly obscufre) stuff attracts me. Can anyone here recommend any artists that have songs that sound similar to the song in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNkSAeA3R_s" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNkSAeA3R_s Her albums are amazing with no weak songs and it's sad she died so young (just a few years after the video above) of a heroine/cocaine addiction and that she died poor. Why she never got noticed is beyond me... http://canadianchristianity.com/bc/bccn/0607/22sill.html" rel="nofollow - http://canadianchristianity.com/bc/bccn/0607/22sill.html So when I'm not immersed in prog or emotional christian music, I'm listening to the likes of Mark Fry, Nick Drake, Roger Rodier, Benjamin Hugg, Joan Baez, Donovan, Joni Mitchell, Karen Beth, Trader Horne, Bread Love and dreams, Montreal (Summer's Night from 1970), Hank Dogs, etc... Another artist that is simply hits me in the face is the obscure Karen Beth and her flawless 1968 "Joys of Life" album which is sad/melancholic but I never get tired of it... This song is a "slow song" it keeps me intrigued. http://cowbell.fm/track/70214-karen-beth-nothing-lasts" rel="nofollow - http://cowbell.fm/track/70214-karen-beth-nothing-lasts So if you have any other artists in this vein that you can recommend when I'm not proggin, please let me know... thanks!!! |
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Posted By: Aussie-Byrd-Brother
Date Posted: March 16 2012 at 19:23
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Can't go wrong with the band `Fern Knight', who are listed on these Archives!
Their album `Music For Witches And Alchemists' is superb, with a chilly uneasy atmosphere, beautiful singing and reflective lyrics. Lots of varied instrumentation too. Their most recent album `Castings' is also very decent, but a lot heavier and oppressive, lots of distortion. Also has a King Crimson cover on it too. 
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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: March 16 2012 at 19:26
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Off the top of my head I would highly suggest Bert Jansch, particularly his '65 and '71 albums, but you can check out something in between if you wish to.
PF's late 60's folk on "More" is also very decent, better than S&G, IMO. Also, if you are interested in a cappella vocal virtuosity, check out Anne Briggs' stuff like 'Willie O'Winsbury.' I think you'll love it ... maybe ... or not, I'll never know. I don't know anyone who would qualify as an acid-folk artist. Sorry on this one. |
Posted By: progbaby
Date Posted: March 16 2012 at 19:50
| thank you!!! I'll check them out... |
Posted By: progbaby
Date Posted: March 16 2012 at 19:52
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Oh yes... I love Anne Briggs :-) Bert Janech and Pentangle... Fantastic!!! Here's one.. Ever heard of Linda Perhacs? Another amazing "unknown" album from 1970. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZn5lyOjvnk" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZn5lyOjvnk |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: March 16 2012 at 19:54
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Linda Perhacs is absolutely amazing. Don't forget Vashti Bunyan too. |
Posted By: ClemofNazareth
Date Posted: March 16 2012 at 20:57
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Val wasn't prog, but if you're into rather maudlin folksy music you can't beat his 'Grey Life' album (1968). Val was lead singer of the Blue Things, a sort of light pop-psych band that had some minor success in the latter 60s. He had some problems with depression and stage fright and bounced around a bit after leaving the band. He also had a relationship that ended very badly, which was apparently most of the inspiration for his only solo album. Sadly Val committed suicide in the mid-90s in Hutchinson, Kansas. This is by far my favorite of his songs:
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Posted By: progbaby
Date Posted: March 16 2012 at 22:04
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Holy Cow! Val Stoeklein and the Chi Coltrane one's are winners... thanks for that. I like the Pearls Before Swine you sent. The vocals "slightly" remind me of Ray Thomas of the Moody Blues :-) I already have the Beth Orton and Nick Drake and Midwinter (thanks, another great one in the vein of Jade). The Voyage of the Icarus one reminds me of the acid-folk group "Espers"... Please keep these recommendations coming.  |
Posted By: clarke2001
Date Posted: March 17 2012 at 00:28
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I think I like this thread. Here's my two cents: |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: March 17 2012 at 04:29
Linda Perhacs was suggested and unfortunately rejected a couple of years ago ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Triceratopsoil wrote:Posted By: progbaby
Date Posted: March 17 2012 at 08:37
COOL song. Jeremy Storch? Never heard of him. Good sound.. His voice has a "Donovan" tinge to it. another REALLY REALLY REALLY good one is Jimmee Spheres 1971 "Isle of View" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpJ3feEbSv4" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpJ3feEbSv4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pj9KUqWOUdU&feature=related" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pj9KUqWOUdU&feature=related it's a "lost classic" in the genre. He died young too... It's a great album though without a weak track. |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: March 17 2012 at 09:49
I don't know if it's because of this thread, but Linda Perhacs has been added to PA few minutes ago.... http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7203" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7203
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Posted By: hellogoodbye
Date Posted: March 17 2012 at 11:55
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Linda Perhacs is great. Another fantastic one from HawaI is These Trails (1974). Gorgeous stuff ! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WA8Nrk9-ayo" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WA8Nrk9-ayo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlmBvMhX7OY&feature=BFa&list=SP7927D4D5DDD634F1&lf=list_related" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlmBvMhX7OY&feature=BFa&list=SP7927D4D5DDD634F1&lf=list_related I like very much the Nancy Priddy's You've come this way before Album. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGYMcXX4AwA" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGYMcXX4AwA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NZ3zYcL8m4" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NZ3zYcL8m4 |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: March 17 2012 at 12:53
It was probably because I bumped her suggestion thread a week or so ago. That's great news, by the way |
Posted By: npjnpj
Date Posted: March 18 2012 at 02:14
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I'll probably get shot down in flames for this, but to my mind Tori Amos beats all of the artists I know mentioned in this thread (and there are quite a few). Then there's Happy Rhodes and Joanna Newsom (closest thing to a singing cat I've ever heard, but good!) Oh, and Roy Harper. |
Posted By: Kotro
Date Posted: March 18 2012 at 05:33
Those four you mentioned are indeed quite good, but I wouldn't exactly call any of them "acid folk". ------------- Bigger on the inside. |
Posted By: hellogoodbye
Date Posted: March 18 2012 at 06:34
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BILL FAY, first album (1970) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjIwvi2uCBk" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjIwvi2uCBk COLIN BLUNSTONE, One Year album (1971) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQxgX5Rxjak&feature=related" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQxgX5Rxjak&feature=related DUNCAN BROWNE, Give me take you album (1968) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbcT6ltL5xM" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbcT6ltL5xM TIM HARDIN, Misty roses (1966) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3_7rwD7RXY" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3_7rwD7RXY THE BOWERBIRDS, My Oldest Memory. Hyms for a dark horse album (2007) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMp5F_hAPnU" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMp5F_hAPnU |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: March 18 2012 at 07:26
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What about Susan McKeown? ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: progbaby
Date Posted: March 18 2012 at 08:13
Hello... > probably get shot down in flames for this You should not get shot down in flames for your opinion :-) If you did, it would be by someone who is closed minded and offends easily (and takes it personally) by anyone else who does not agree with their favorite Tori Amos is another great one. I forgot about Roy Harper. I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) he did the vocals on Floyd's "have a cigar"
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Posted By: npjnpj
Date Posted: March 18 2012 at 09:36
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Yes, that's him. He's also the Roy Harper from Led Zeppelin III's 'Hats Off To (Roy) Harper'. Thanks for the encouragement. :-) |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: March 18 2012 at 09:47
I've just suggested Perry Leopold for this site, and I think he fits the description of psych singersong writer for the prog head down to the t. I only have his Christian Lucifer record, but it is a beauty. Here are some tracks off it(And yes I know the sound quality is crap ):Oh and don't forget about Tim Buckley. His Lorca and Starsailor are among my favourites within the "genre"
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Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: March 18 2012 at 10:04
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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: March 18 2012 at 10:07
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Robin Scott : Paul Adolphus : ------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: March 18 2012 at 10:50
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You know what? I have just remembered that Amon Duul II record this song for Yeti (1970) called 'She Came Through the Chimney'. It's nothing in the vein of, say, Judee Sill, but it's an acid-rock song with this laidback folky feel to it. BTW, I don't think it has anything to do with The Beatles' 'She Came in Through the Bathroom Window , although it might serve as a musical counterpart to it.I also failed to mention 'Riding on a Cloud' on Tanz der Lemminge, but you can check that one out too if you wish.
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: March 18 2012 at 13:33
Have you ever listened to Amon Duul's (not II) Paradieswarts Duul? Awesome repetitive folky groove thang. One of my favourite albums. |
Posted By: zoviet
Date Posted: March 18 2012 at 13:41
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The Observatory - Dark Folke
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIlD4UiP2cU |
Posted By: progbaby
Date Posted: March 19 2012 at 16:06
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[QUOTE=zoviet]The Observatory - Dark Folke
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIlD4UiP2cU%5b/QUOTE" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIlD4UiP2cU[/QUOTE ] this is a really good one too. Some really good recommendations on this thread. thanks again for helping!!!  |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: March 19 2012 at 20:48
This one's got some frigged-out harmonies! Very nice
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: March 20 2012 at 10:00
One of the nicest things in Roy's earlier albums is that one certain Jimmy plays with him ... and they have always been friends.
Highly recommended is Jugula +4. Also highly recommended is Headquarters (different title in America), and basically all his early stuff. Unknown Soldier is also fantastic.
Roy is difficult because he is more of a poet than he is a singer, and that gets on people's nerves ... he's not trying to be the "singer" or the "star" (he turned down touring with Pink Floyd, btw, more than once) ... and in the end, what he is doing is about the words themselves ... and I have always had this funny feeling that in terms of "progressive", most people can not appreciate that a whole lot.
In essence, both him, Peter Hammill and Bob Dylan, are the most prolific poets around in music. As for the progressive part, I tend to think that doing what they do is more progressive than the word itself ... why? ... they stretch the music and your mind's understanding of words and wording! The music might not be as "progressive" as you and I would like, and Peter H is getting really repetitive these days ... but otherwise it is always an interesting listen and one that (normally) you will remember if you give it some ear!
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: March 20 2012 at 10:02
Sandoz in the Rain ... would be more like it ... hehehe! Specially when you have tried and you know what it is all about! But these days ... no one remembers anything and talks like a president that has no sense of smell!
Actually, AD1 is more on the folksy side of things, but in many ways these albums are just another drum/dance circle for anyone to get really stoned and have some trips. It's not any more folk than it is music, and it is not "trip" any more than it is anything else. But it is a rather good example of some folks trying to use the rock music as something else more than just a song, and use it as a raga, or a piece of music for meditation and other events that western culture does not always support, or appreciate.
It does sound, today, rather sophomoric, but the feeling itself, when you are "in the trip" is way better and more enjoyable. Beware that it has some funny stuff done here and there by engineers trying to be funny which sometimes is fine, but in the end, also hurts the flow of the trip ... when you are tripping ... and those kinds of things have a tendency to hurt trips and get people scared and off the paths that they are on. ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: March 20 2012 at 14:14
I lol'd |
Posted By: progbaby
Date Posted: March 20 2012 at 19:06
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I love this thread. thanks again for these titles.. Some others I forgot to mention that I really like... Ralph McTell... And here's an obscure album that I really like from 1969. She is/was a native american lady who did this really nice album... Leonda... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ob2rGjgbwvI" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ob2rGjgbwvI |
Posted By: progbaby
Date Posted: March 20 2012 at 19:19
great stuff... Buckley... Another great one... There's so many in the genre. Along side prog, the "acid-folk/psyc folk/70's singer-songwritter"-genre is equally enjoyable to listen to.. Not necessarily prog or acid folk but Van Morrison's "Astral Weeks" is another one that sounds so good at times :-)
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: March 21 2012 at 08:30
You obviously agree.
There is only music in PA and not in the rest of the world! And the world is second or third world country that will never live up to the anglo-american standards of rock music or progressive.
It's hilarious ... saying it ... and it going right over someone's head. We're but a drop of sand in the beach of the universe, and all too often the ego is bigger than the reality ... but no ... there is no music anywhere else for you!
Good.
More for me! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: zoviet
Date Posted: March 22 2012 at 02:35
glad you guys found this great!! its an amazing album, a modern day Comus!!! |
Posted By: DamoXt7942
Date Posted: March 22 2012 at 03:54
Please check this http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=58488&PID=4399213#4399213" rel="nofollow - Japanese acid folk pioneer , sounds not so progressive rock-ish though.  (I always consider they're one of the most progressive projects, especially due to Kazuhiko Kato (see also http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=58488&PID=4452371#4452371" rel="nofollow - here ), in Japan.  ------------- http://www.facebook.com/damoxt7942" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Adelaidess
Date Posted: March 22 2012 at 05:08
| I don't know anyone who would qualify as an acid-folk artist. Sorry on this one. (EDIT: And fishy links removed) |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: March 22 2012 at 09:53
It's a tough thing ...
One can go to the really early days in SF and these were a dime a dozen, and some ended up on LP and some didn't, some were good and some were not.
And too much of the music listed here is an "idealistic" vision of what "psychedelic" (the acid term came later when it was deemed "harder"), and the music is almost a "let's make believe" kind of thing that is only missing Judy Garland as a poster girl on the corner!
The problem with the SF scene is that people were too ripped or too sexed out to record anything and make anything of any experience, and a lot of music was wasted and burn't ... we don't even remember, or ask ... what the heck did the Grateful Dead play for 5 or 6 hours, or the Allman Brothers ... let me tell you that it wasn't about the blues or bullsh*t ... it was about tripping and going to places no one had gone before in music, which we have totally forgotten and disrespect even more these days. The all-knowing, disrespects the "unknowable" ... nothing new under the sun, really! Religions do the same to get you to think alike.
Take a look, if you can, at the Ken Kesey documentary about his trip. It's not something that us here can appreciate, because we think literature is f**ked up and doesn't belong in music, or any progressive something or other can not have a connection to the other arts ... and thus, you finding something "psychedelic" is going to be hard anyway ... because most people have no idea what that is.
Probably the most "psychedelic" thing ever done in music is the stuff done by the Cosmic Couriers and Ash Ra Tempel, that even had the voices of the women playing up the "nymph" suggestion (Join Inn) and other examples (Starring Rosi), but this hippy/commune ideal of being stoned, and having sex, and enjoying music was lost in the Bay Area by folks that had flowers in their hair (so to speak) that went there, took what they wanted and left the rest behind. The place was raped! The music barely survived. Most of it, no one remembers or wants to talk about it, since those woho went to the Fillmore were too stoned to even know which bands they saw! ... the stories and stuff is so few and so little as to be sad and pathetic.
There is one example, though, and it was Gonzo (Thompson) but he was the example of the total moron that really gave the scene the bad name and the worst reputation ... but it was cool because a magazine thought it was funny to fill you up with merde, amidst their star kissing.
The media across the world buried this amidst rubble, sex and drugs ... to kill a whole generation ... and it is a wonder that the music has survived and a testament to the strength of that music and art, and literature that it has survived ... but we ignore it all too much ... and there is one line in that movie about Ken that will have you going ... son of a gun ... no wonder I didn't get it ... a lot of the "psychedelic" music was killed along side of this ... and about the only thing that survived Fillmore were the posters and a handful of artists that gave rise to a massive fantasy level or art ... that is by far one of the most prolific in the history of art. And you think that music and literature wasn't there?
I still think that too much corruption was the issue ... for example, Terry Southern, was a satirist of sorts, but in the end, Candi, was a book that tore apart the "psychedelic thing" just as much as any sex mores of the time and place ... and in many ways, the whole SF and NY and LA scnes were just as abusive and insane and out of control, and when you read the book by Patti Smith ... you know it was out of control ... and it had some great things come out of it ... but we don't think of Mapplethorpe as "psychedelic" ... but it is definite "acid" ... or my favorite one, is Mr. Burroughs ... and Naked Lunch is the ultimate acid story, gone bizarre and askew where Steppenwolf tried to explain it to you!
Does it matter? ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: March 22 2012 at 10:08
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Posted By: Matthew T
Date Posted: March 22 2012 at 14:48
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/B000NVSZVW/ref=dp_image_0?ie=UTF8&n=5174&s=music" rel="nofollow"> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/B00005LQOO/ref=dp_image_0?ie=UTF8&n=5174&s=music" rel="nofollow"> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/B0009IQLWO/ref=dp_image_0?ie=UTF8&n=5174&s=music" rel="nofollow">
Try these..........Meic Stevens is stinning try "Yoric" first........Sitar is used as well throughout . Mark Fry is great, dies a bit of towards the end. Fresh maggots..........Acid Psyche as the other two are------------- Matt |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: March 22 2012 at 22:25
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I did a quick fly-by through this thread and didn't see any mention of Neutral Milk Hotel...
Or Fairport Convention...
But if I missed the comments, it's worth a second mention.
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Posted By: Flyingsod
Date Posted: March 22 2012 at 23:56
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When I read the original post the thing that came to mind imediatly was Donavans Sunshine Superman album. Some of those songs have melodies that predate 'folk' music in that they seem to come from a time when it was just "music" with no prequalifiers. Give the album a listen if you've not heard it. ------------- This space intentionally left blank |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: March 23 2012 at 12:44
And remember that the guitarist on that piece is Richard Thompson. The singer? ... the late Sandy Denny, which I mentioned earlier.
It was, at the time, a very "acid'ified" (as in psychedelic) version of the song and I can tell you that this sounded absolutely magnificent under the influence when I first heard it ... it still is, to this day, one of the prettiest things ever recorded. and a true example of "progressive" that even this site can not acknowledge properly.
And Richard, during this time, and then when he was doing this with his wife Linda, were tearing things up very roughly with really hard and jagged guitar stuff, that makes most players today look like kids learning their chords and just using an effect to make it sound better!
Give it a good ear ... a really good ear!
And then go listen to the original version folk song ... you'll go ... oh wow ... ohh my gawd!
When you get tired of that also grab Sandy's version of "The Quiet Joys of Brotherhood" ... and then go listen to the original by one of the Farinas ... another folksie in America that is never heard or given any credit but were a part of the "psychedelic" scene at the time with their own music.
Gives a different meaning to the word and thought ... progressive! And you don't even need to get stoned to hear that! But I enjoyed some amazing mescaline listening to Reynardine and many other things that night (Joe Cocker, KC, Chicago ... ). ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |