Songs that ruined otherwise perfect albums
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Topic: Songs that ruined otherwise perfect albums
Posted By: progfannick1991
Subject: Songs that ruined otherwise perfect albums
Date Posted: February 28 2012 at 18:29
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I was having a discussion with a friend who's working on a progressive rock based online show about albums that are perfect except for that one song that you can't listen to, and I was wondering what your opinions were as to which songs these are. A perfect example I would say is "Moonchild" from Court of the Crimson King. The other 4 songs on that album are damn near flawless, but "Moonchild" bores me to absolutely no end. My friend and I were curious as to what other examples you guys may have to offer.
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Posted By: Adams Bolero
Date Posted: February 28 2012 at 18:35
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Benny The Bouncer. ------------- ''Nobody realizes that some people expend tremendous energy merely to be normal.'' - Albert Camus |
Posted By: MattGuitat
Date Posted: February 28 2012 at 18:43
 This'll end up being the "More Fool Me" hate thread.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: February 28 2012 at 19:04
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None of the above so far guys.
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Posted By: squirting
Date Posted: February 28 2012 at 19:05
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Moonchild is probably my favourite early KC song. ------------- "So that's it? After 12 years; so long, good luck?" "Now I don't recall saying good luck." |
Posted By: marvindj
Date Posted: February 28 2012 at 19:17
| All in a mouses night off Wind & Wuthring for me |
Posted By: DreamInSong
Date Posted: February 28 2012 at 19:19
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I really like Moonchild... On topic though, Steve Hacket seems to put a blemish on near every album of his.
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Posted By: Scoppioingola
Date Posted: February 28 2012 at 19:45
Ballad of the Decomposing Man, anyone ? |
DreamInSong wrote:Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: February 28 2012 at 19:52
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"Looking For Answers" on Spock's Beard's Snow.
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Posted By: ProgressiveAttic
Date Posted: February 28 2012 at 20:18
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Cans and Brahams from Fragile anyone? I don't object the concept of including a classical solo piece (I am completely fine with Mood For a Day) but Wakeman is capable of higher quality... I don't know what was he thinking.... ------------- Michael's Sonic Kaleidoscope Mondays 5:00pm EST(re-runs Thursdays 3:00pm) @ Delicious Agony Progressive Rock Radio(http://www.deliciousagony.com) 
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Posted By: javier0889
Date Posted: February 28 2012 at 21:35
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I sorta like those little pieces in Fragile. Although I think the only purpose of We Have Heaven is to make Heart of the Sunrise cooler. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/javier0889 |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: February 28 2012 at 22:01
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Close to the Edge Just kidding, track 2 sucks too
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Posted By: Fox On The Rocks
Date Posted: February 28 2012 at 22:14
I actually love Cans And Brahms. It was great that they added that in for Rick's solo piece. On that album I would say We Have Heaven and Long Distance Runaround spoil the album a bit. ------------- 
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Posted By: Fox On The Rocks
Date Posted: February 28 2012 at 22:18
I'll be the first to agree with that!  -------------
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Posted By: thesameoldfears
Date Posted: February 28 2012 at 22:35
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"El Ciervo Vulnerado" by the Mars Volta definitely fits this category. While we're on King Crimson, I'd also say "The Mincer" fits also. Side 1 of SABB should have closed with the gorgeous "Trio" instead of piling on a directionless jam. Also, I'm going to be a tad controversial and say "Ladies of the Road" drags down the album "Islands." It's too catchy, too sexist, too rock, and it doesn't fit the feel of the album at all. |
Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: February 28 2012 at 23:01
 Long Distance Runaround is great. I don't have any problem with anything on Fragile.Roger Taylor's songs were usually the weak points in many Queen albums. Let's not talk about ELP...
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: February 28 2012 at 23:22
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Are You Ready Eddy .. yeah take maybe the most influential album of Prog's peak years and just throw a little horse crap on it at the end there, just to round things out |
Posted By: jammun
Date Posted: February 28 2012 at 23:25
Funny isn't it, they always threw in a little sh*t, as if to say we're not really great musicians making the most complex rock music on the planet, we're just like the rest. I never understood that. ------------- Can you tell me where we're headin'? Lincoln County Road or Armageddon. |
Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Date Posted: February 28 2012 at 23:30
I'd say that song, if I didn't think the whole album was average-bad other than Dancing With the Moonlit Knight and The Cinema Show. 
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: February 28 2012 at 23:43
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Posted By: Quirky Turkey
Date Posted: February 28 2012 at 23:50
| I reckon More Fool Me and The Battle of Epping Forest. |
Posted By: jammun
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 00:07
Ah Benny's okay. So is Jeremy. Nutrocker not so much. The Sheriff. Sheesh, Emerson was channeling a piano player in an Old West saloon. Mebbe hook him up with Taupin and they can rock with that honky tonk piano while the Gibson Girls dance, and the hookers ply their trade, and real men drink whiskey just prior to killing one another out on a dusty Western street. And if that doesn't work go back to Meade Lux Lewis and some more honky tonk piano, 'cept then you're playing in a whore house, where some shady customer might just take exception to your technique. I completely understand his love for that stuff. It's too bad he had no ability to play it, except in emulation. ------------- Can you tell me where we're headin'? Lincoln County Road or Armageddon. |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 00:32
The infamous Cha Cha Cha Cha Cha almost ruined Sound Chaser but the rest of the material of Relayer is so good that allowed this cheesy passage do more harm. Iván
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Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 01:03
This is a good one. I love Sound Chaser and Relayer to death (my favourite Yes album), but that section is kinda odd to me. |
Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 01:12
and i thought it's going to be a 'moonchild' discussion... |
Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 01:15
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oh i have one...and i'm sure i'm not alone. strawbs - bursting at the seams - part of the union. what the hell???? |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 01:27
Battle Of Epping Forest -too much larking around and feels vacant of any great musical content for such a long peice. Perhaps it worked as a live track?
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 02:31
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Epping is awesome, don't see the problem |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 02:47
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Pink Floyd - Atom Heart Mother - Alan's Psychedelic Breakfast
Yes - Going for the One - Going for the One ------------- 
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 03:45
Now there's a track I never really liked. But the album isn't otherwise perfect and it didn't ruin the album. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: iluvmarillion
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 04:01
Good Pop song if you like Pop, but no prog influences in it.
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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 04:44
I fully agree, but the other songs on this album are far better. -------------
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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 04:48
Well, I like:
For the rest: musically perfect albums (I mean ITCOTCK, SM
For the rest, perfect Yes and perfect ELP albums |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 04:59
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Like everything mentioned so far. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 05:05
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I think Providence takes Red down a notch. ------------- https://gabebuller.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - New album! http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385 |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 05:31
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More Fool Me was definitely my first thought. Not exactly a great album without it, but Disco Queen is the sinlge worst piece of rubbish Pain of Salvation have ever recorded. And With Her Came the Birds stops Cult of Luna's Somewhere Along the Highway from reaching masterpiece status for me as well. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005 
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 05:32
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I love Disco Queen. One of the best songs on Scarsick. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: akaBona
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 06:28
More Fool Me - pure garbage
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Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 06:30
Oh no... i thought someone would mention this, since i read some reviews stating the same.  I honestly think this is one of the greatest improvisational songs ever, what a bass!!! all the band seems to have the exact idea of what the song is all about. I even like those 4 minutes silence of jiggling sounds between each other, what a great atmosphere! When i discovered it was taken from a concert ,it maid me love KC even more. But that's only me. |
Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 06:38
Although I cannot stand More Fool Me (Genesis really should have heard alarm bells with that one), I have to agree I find Battle Of Epping Forest weak compared to the rest of the album & not a particularly good piece, anyway. In my (humble & soon to be berated) opinion, they tried to write another character led story song in the vein of Harold The Barrel, Get Em Out By Friday etc, but to me it just didn't gel at all; it was almost (but not quite) as bad as when Collins tried it with 'Robbery Assault & Battery'  ------------- 
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 06:42
Wow...yet another RA & B hater. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 06:51
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Collins trying too hard on his 1st day in the job -------------
Jon Lord 1941 - 2012 |
Posted By: Ambient Hurricanes
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 07:14
This, except for those two pesky songs on Tarkus... "The Only Way" ruins the album more for me, though, so I don't particularly care about the joke songs. Bitches Crystal is terrible too. ------------- I love dogs, I've always loved dogs |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 07:27
I think the music is fine on that track, it's the lyrics I find toe curling. I've nothing against bands being 'funny' from time to time, but I never felt that Genesis did humour very well, post Gabriel. As far as Wind & Wuthering goes, I think the weaker tracks are 'Your own special way' and 'Wot Gorilla' They had far better material to draw on at that time. However, the brilliance of the other tracks on the album, means no one track actually ruins the album for me.  ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 07:39
I couldn't agree more, in fact most of the second side of tarkus is not even close to the first, not to mention their debut. 'are you ready eddy?' what the hell is that?? |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 08:07
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A Passion Play
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Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 08:58
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"Your Own Special Way" is the one that gets me. I tolerate "More Fool Me" well enough.
------------- You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all. |
Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 09:18
I'm probably one of the few here that actually like that song. ------------- https://gabebuller.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - New album! http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385 |
Posted By: VanVanVan
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 09:21
Agreed!  ------------- "The meaning of life is to give life meaning."-Arjen Lucassen |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 09:31
It's a little bit cheesy but it's nicely displayed.  ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: MattGuitat
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 09:32
I love Providence, its so interesting to just imagine the 4 of them on stage playing this off the cuff. Te rhythm section is particularly brilliant. |
Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 09:39
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"Your Own Special Way" is instrumentally very nice. Rutherford actually tuned all 12 strings to their own tones, and the mood works for me.
But the lyrics make me want to impale myself on a bowling ball. ------------- You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 09:56
OK they aren't too good. Do you need us to hold your hand in our own special way?  We promise to never, never let go. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 11:15
Glad to know i'm not alone. |
Posted By: PabstRibbon
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 11:41
| Lonely Wind from Kansas' debut.. that track is pretty hard to digest. The rest of the album is amazing |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 11:47
You forgot to mention Ytse jam. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 13:10
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Chemistry from Signals I Think I'm Going Bald from Caress of Steel ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 13:20
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More Fool Me is crap but I also never liked The Battle Of Epping Forest.
I *love* Foxtrot except for Get 'Em Out By Friday which has always irritated me for some reason.
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Posted By: martinprog77
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 13:29
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Remote Romance from
, I can see your house from here. is a a really bad pop song Delilah from innuendo ,is just ridiculous ------------- Nothing can last there are no second chances. Never give a day away. Always live for today. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 13:37
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More Fool Me isn't crap ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Canterzeuhl
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 13:41
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^ Was just thinking that. 'The Return of the Giant Hogweed' ruined Nursery Cryme in my grotesque opinion.
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 13:44
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Although not a perfect album anyway. Killer ruins H to He Am The Only One for me. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: silverpot
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 14:04
| San Tropez ruins Meddle somewhat for me. |
Posted By: smokey
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 14:08
So suprised at peoples choices. Absolutely love PotU by the Strabs. Also, I think More Fool Me and Moonchild are great songs. Maybe they are not the amazing epics you were looking for, but they in no way 'ruin' a perfect album. Same with the Cha Cha part in Sound Chaser. Phenominal song and even better album. its only 5 seconds. One day when you guys make an epic even close to Relayer, maybe then you can omit the Cha Cha's.
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 14:09
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I like the "cha cha"s ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 14:38
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 14:41
it isn't although it does stick out a bit
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 14:43
| Howzabout -Have A Cigar? Roger Waters admitted later regretting Roy Harper do the vocals. I'm not too bothered myself but just wonder if that ruins the album for anyone? |
Posted By: Fox On The Rocks
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 14:49
I agree with these two. I can't stop myself from laughing when I Think I'm Going Bald comes on. It's just not a good song in general. Supposedly the lyrics are about Max Webster's Kim Mitchell who was losing hair at the time and is now completely bald. Max Webster would tour with Rush a lot in the late 70's and early 80's. Both Toronto bands and they both started around the same time. -------------
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Posted By: Trick of the lamb
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 15:01
Nope, that's a great song.
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Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 15:06
| Amon duul II - yeti , the long improvisational tracks makes me wanna go to sleep, the rest is phenomenal. |
Posted By: Fox On The Rocks
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 15:07
That's the one I never really listen to that often. Wot Gorilla? is great, though. I love the keys and drums on that track. -------------
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Posted By: Fox On The Rocks
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 15:09
One of my favourite Genesis songs!  -------------
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Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 15:20
| Never had any problem with 'selling england..' and never thought any one did. |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 15:25
Yeah, there is some great musicianship going on there. Maybe they should have developed the track a little. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 15:35
I don't think Killer ruins the perfect album. ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 15:59
I thi k it's their best improv, but it's a shame that the Red version is cut down, the full improv on The Great Deciever is amazing. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 16:00
I have to agree with you here, Killer doesnt do much for me either. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 16:28
i couldn't agree with you more. |
Posted By: MattGuitat
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 16:34
We're gonna have some problems JK, but Get Em Out.. Is my second favorite on that record after Suppers Ready. And Epping Forest has grown on me so much, that now im starting to like it more than Dancing with the Moonlit Knight! 
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Posted By: Ambient Hurricanes
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 16:36
 I love those songs...Although I think I'm Going Bald isn't any good, it's just funny. ------------- I love dogs, I've always loved dogs |
Posted By: GoldenGod2112
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 16:37
I'd say Countdown instead and nothing from COS. :P ------------- The future's uncertain and the end is always near. - Jim Morrison |
Posted By: GoldenGod2112
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 16:38
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Can someone please inform me what's so bad about More Fool Me!? ------------- The future's uncertain and the end is always near. - Jim Morrison |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 16:42
I can't. I actually like it rather a lot. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: wreckfan1
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 18:26
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Yellow submarine from revolver I know the Beatles were well into their novelty tracks and that its iconic of the Beatles psychedelic stuff but I don't think I've ever listened to that album without skipping it. Just bores me i guess
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Posted By: thesameoldfears
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 20:55
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I actually really like the Cha Chas from "Sound Chaser" too. It injects just enough weirdness into what was already a very weird track. I almost feel as if it's tongue-in-cheek, jokingly throwing in something "catchy" at the end to play with expectations. There are plenty of simple pop songs where "cha cha cha" would not sound out of place at all, so the fact that they precede it with 7 minutes of music that sounds like space aliens makes it really come out of nowhere (in a good way). |
Posted By: KingCrInuYasha
Date Posted: February 29 2012 at 23:45
Eh, "Cygnus X-1" was worse. Back On Topic: "Alan's Psychedelic Breakfast" from Pink Floyd's Atom Heart Mother. Not that bad, but I wish they closed with "Embryo" instead. "More Of That Jazz" From Queen's Jazz. Anticlimactic compared to "Don't Stop Me Now". Oddly enough, I though "Fun It" was alright. ------------- He looks at this world and wants it all... so he strikes, like Thunderball! |
Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: March 01 2012 at 02:32
Agreed, i forgot to mention it. |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: March 01 2012 at 12:55
I agree. Killer (and Theme 1) were the tracks that got me into VDGG, and I still love them both. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: March 01 2012 at 12:56
I think it's ok. It's not a track I would skip. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: March 01 2012 at 15:51
I think some of you here are being too severe, songs like More Fool Me, Chemistry, Battle Of Epping Forest, Cans And Brahms, Have A Cigar, All In A Mouse's Night, Your Own Special Way etc may not be masterpieces, but saying that they ruin the album they are in is a bit too far.
Other of the mentioned songs such as The Return Of The Giant Hogweed, Get'Em Out By Friday, Wot Gorilla? or VDGG's Killer simply leave me perplex since I find them outstanding, but ok I guess that's a matter of taste...
An example of song I can surely agree with is Fun It in Queen's Jazz (personally I find More Of That Jazz much more decent even if surely no masterpiece either).
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Posted By: thehallway
Date Posted: March 01 2012 at 16:07
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Please Mr Postman on With The Beatles. That song just makes me gag. Jamaica Jerk-Off on Goodbye Yellow Brick Road. For similar reasons. Prelude: Song of the Gulls on Islands. Fripp was a weak composer back then, particularly outside of rock music. '73 is a different story. Hats Off to Roy Harper on Led Zeppelin III is another obvious one. Ugh. If Everyone Was Listening on Crime of the Century. Not bad, but dull, and on an album with seven perfect songs. ------------- http://www.thefreshfilmblog.com/" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: March 01 2012 at 17:52
Selling England by the Pound is an average album at best. -------------   
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Posted By: silverpot
Date Posted: March 01 2012 at 17:56
No, I think Roy's singing was an improvement actually. I've heard demos where Roger sings it, not as dynamic at all. Not to mention the live performances where Waters is very much struggling to get it right, but doesn't really. |
Posted By: Fox On The Rocks
Date Posted: March 01 2012 at 20:25
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Anybody a fan of Dog's Life from Octopus? I've never been a big fan of the song and Phil's vocals are a little irritating to be quite honest. I don't know, it sort of spoils the album for me along with A Cry For Everyone. I love the instrumental prowess of that song, but I don't really like the verses and choruses
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: March 01 2012 at 20:31
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Posted By: MattGuitat
Date Posted: March 01 2012 at 21:13
| Ok, The Lamb may be the best album ever, but the Waiting Room just sucks. I like improv or jam recordings, but this track is just boring. |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: March 01 2012 at 22:00
I like it.......but I would guess some don't since it may be the begining of the "pop" Collins led Genesis phase.......Don't believe them, its all good. -------------   
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Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: March 01 2012 at 23:09
lolno ------------- http://blindpoetrecords.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: March 01 2012 at 23:10
Great parody that few realize: ------------- http://blindpoetrecords.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow">
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