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Topic: Dream Theater - Awake
Posted By: Bj-1
Subject: Dream Theater - Awake
Date Posted: July 08 2005 at 22:43
Discuss!!!

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Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: July 08 2005 at 23:47
one of the first DT albums I got into.  most of it is amazing, though some songs are better than others, clearly.  I love the drums and the guitar work on 6:00, but little else on that track.   Innocence faded is just lame.  Erotomania is simply amazing.  I love DT instrumentals!  Scarred is probly my favorite track on the whole record.  right at the 7 minute mark it just explodes.
I dont care what anyone says about DT's playing.  I happen to enjoy all the technical w**kery!



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Posted By: Bryan
Date Posted: July 09 2005 at 00:28
Not bad to DT standards, mediocre to the standards of most music.


Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: July 09 2005 at 18:47
It is my personal favorite DT album, and is probably the last "classic" DT album. I love it. It features some of the best songwriting from DT ever IMO. It makes SFAM look average. 4.9 stars

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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: July 09 2005 at 18:49
Great album played with great inthusiasm with some wicked guitar solos!


Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: July 09 2005 at 19:27

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Great album played with great inthusiasm with some wicked guitar solos!

Oh man, definitely. John Petrucci really kicks ass on this album!



Posted By: Arsillus
Date Posted: July 09 2005 at 20:39

Awake is awesome. Voices and Lie are my favourite songs.



Posted By: transend
Date Posted: July 09 2005 at 21:31

Does this mean 'When dreams ..' is a classic? And 'Scenes from a memory' is just crap?

How odd



Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: July 09 2005 at 21:40
Originally posted by transend transend wrote:

Does this mean 'When dreams ..' is a classic? And 'Scenes from a memory' is just crap?

How odd

I find that odd too, but that's someone else's opinion... So.. really...



Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: July 15 2005 at 16:47

However, how would you rate "Awake" (from 1-5 stars)?



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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: July 15 2005 at 17:17

It's their best album. And not mediocre by any reasonable standard, UI!



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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: July 15 2005 at 17:22

Originally posted by Bj-1 Bj-1 wrote:

It is my personal favorite DT album, and is probably the last "classic" DT album. I love it. It features some of the best songwriting from DT ever IMO. It makes SFAM look average. 4.9 stars

I agree that it's the last of the "classic" DT albums. In fact, only Images, Awake and ACoS are the classic DT albums. It's connected to Moore, or at least they changed their songwriting after he had left.

I wouldn't call Scenes "average" though. It's brilliant in it's own way ... I would rate both Awake and Scenes 5 stars. all of their other albums except WDADU are 4 stars for me ... they are all exceptional in different aspects. 



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Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: July 15 2005 at 17:33
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by Bj-1 Bj-1 wrote:

It is my personal favorite DT album, and is probably the last "classic" DT album. I love it. It features some of the best songwriting from DT ever IMO. It makes SFAM look average. 4.9 stars

I agree that it's the last of the "classic" DT albums. In fact, only Images, Awake and ACoS are the classic DT albums. It's connected to Moore, or at least they changed their songwriting after he had left.

I wouldn't call Scenes "average" though. It's brilliant in it's own way ... I would rate both Awake and Scenes 5 stars. all of their other albums except WDADU are 4 stars for me ... they are all exceptional in different aspects. 

I love SFAM too, but it's nothing compared to I&M or Awake.

The "classic" DT albums, IMO, is:

  • When Dream & Day Unite
  • Images & Words
  • Live At The Marquee (live)
  • Awake
  • A Change of Seasons (EP)
  • Probably 'Falling Into Infinity'


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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: July 15 2005 at 17:50
Originally posted by Bj-1 Bj-1 wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by Bj-1 Bj-1 wrote:

It is my personal favorite DT album, and is probably the last "classic" DT album. I love it. It features some of the best songwriting from DT ever IMO. It makes SFAM look average. 4.9 stars

I agree that it's the last of the "classic" DT albums. In fact, only Images, Awake and ACoS are the classic DT albums. It's connected to Moore, or at least they changed their songwriting after he had left.

I wouldn't call Scenes "average" though. It's brilliant in it's own way ... I would rate both Awake and Scenes 5 stars. all of their other albums except WDADU are 4 stars for me ... they are all exceptional in different aspects. 

I love SFAM too, but it's nothing compared to I&M or Awake.

The "classic" DT albums, IMO, is:

  • When Dream & Day Unite
  • Images & Words
  • Live At The Marquee (live)
  • Awake
  • A Change of Seasons (EP)
  • Probably 'Falling Into Infinity'

WDADU and FiI are totaly different from the others ... by "classic" I meant that these three albums have a consistent sound. They established that sound with Images, perfected it on Awake and ACoS, and lost it with FiI. Then they reached another consistent phase with Scenes, 6DoIT and ToT. Octavarium is not like anything they did before, just like FiI was. Their next album should be interesting again ...



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Posted By: Evan1211
Date Posted: July 17 2005 at 10:24

Awake is my favorite mostly because it has a sound that is unique to this album. Songs like "Erotomania" and "6:00" are classics.



Posted By: Hammill
Date Posted: July 17 2005 at 13:11
Originally posted by Bj-1 Bj-1 wrote:

However, how would you rate "Awake" (from 1-5 stars)?



6/5.....it is a masterpiece


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Posted By: Dragon Phoenix
Date Posted: July 17 2005 at 13:18
Somewhere between 3 and 4 stars. Definitely not in the same league as SFAM, which is a solid five star album. IMHO of course.


Posted By: liquidtheater
Date Posted: July 19 2005 at 11:07

Its good but not the best. Its not even close to scenes or images.



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Posted By: The Accolade
Date Posted: July 19 2005 at 14:23
Great album, much better than their muse orientated new album 'Octavarium'

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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: July 19 2005 at 17:36

Originally posted by The Accolade The Accolade wrote:

Great album, much better than their muse orientated new album 'Octavarium'

It's just the 7th track. But Awake is really much better than Octavarium, that's a given.



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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: July 19 2005 at 18:17
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by The Accolade The Accolade wrote:

Great album, much better than their muse orientated new album 'Octavarium'

It's just the 7th track. But Awake is really much better than Octavarium, that's a given.

Yea I would agree with you, the only two tracks I really loved on Awake were The Answer Lies Within and the awesome title track, but other than that, it really was not that great for me. On Awake, Dream Theater becomes a huge innovator within themselves and changes their sound into the more modern DT sound that we know. Like it or not, Awake is one of those discs that contains some of the best instrumentation that a Progressive artist has ever done.



Posted By: hiddenpath
Date Posted: July 23 2005 at 22:28
for me awake has a unique vibe to it, not present in any of the opther DT albums. Thatīs why I consider it so good. Itīs difficult comparing between albums cause they are different from on e another. for me the best is Scenes, then

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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: July 24 2005 at 04:22

Originally posted by hiddenpath hiddenpath wrote:

for me awake has a unique vibe to it, not present in any of the opther DT albums. Thatīs why I consider it so good. Itīs difficult comparing between albums cause they are different from on e another. for me the best is Scenes, then

I guess that Images, Awake and Scenes are all valid candidates for "best DT album". It depends on your background which on you choose as your favorite.



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Posted By: bityear
Date Posted: July 24 2005 at 12:39
The most solid DT album, in my opinion. The sound bugs me, though, something sounds unnerving. But then again, CDs didn't sound good until 1995... 
 Some tracks are really lame, though, like, Caught in a Web. And, Octavarium has some lame tracks as well, but the best tracks there are just better. So Octavarium: 4, Awake, 3,5.
 What's cool with Awake is the party factor.


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Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: July 24 2005 at 12:41

Originally posted by Bj-1 Bj-1 wrote:

Discuss!!!

when I first heard it back in 1994, I had already got Images & Words, but I had never heard anything like it...I just couldn't get 'Caught In A Web', 'Mirror' & 'Lie' out of my head for MONTHS.  I would be standing by the photocopier, completely oblivious that a colleague was talking to me, because the riffs would be going round & round...mesmerising!

as an aside, there is a theme from 6:00 taken from James Joyce's Dubliners, and from 'Space Dye Vest' taken from EM Forster's A Room With A View...thought you might be interested..



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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: July 24 2005 at 13:16
Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by The Accolade The Accolade wrote:

Great album, much better than their muse orientated new album 'Octavarium'

It's just the 7th track. But Awake is really much better than Octavarium, that's a given.

Yea I would agree with you, the only two tracks I really loved on (Octavarium) were The Answer Lies Within and the awesome title track, but other than that, it really was not that great for me. On Awake, Dream Theater becomes a huge innovator within themselves and changes their sound into the more modern DT sound that we know. Like it or not, Awake is one of those discs that contains some of the best instrumentation that a Progressive artist has ever done.



Posted By: crisden
Date Posted: July 24 2005 at 18:43

Awake was a great album, relatively speaking. Clearly, it represents Dream Theater at their best. The band's slow but painful descent into lackluster, almost laughable songwriting and shameless emulation of other bands leaves a bad taste in my mouth with the recent albums.  

I still listen to DT when I need a slight tech fix but often can't get over their current direction. A prime example of excellent musicians with increasingly poor application.



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Posted By: Cygnus
Date Posted: July 25 2005 at 08:14

OVERATED ALBUM. GREAT ALBUM BUT NOT A MASTERPIECE.

                                     



Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: July 25 2005 at 20:43
Originally posted by Cygnus Cygnus wrote:

OVERATED ALBUM. GREAT ALBUM BUT NOT A MASTERPIECE.

                                     

I think it's rather underrated. It's overshadowed by SFAM, IMHO.



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Posted By: DolphinFan
Date Posted: July 25 2005 at 23:20
Originally posted by Bj-1 Bj-1 wrote:

Originally posted by Cygnus Cygnus wrote:

OVERATED ALBUM. GREAT ALBUM BUT NOT A MASTERPIECE.

                                     

I think it's rather underrated. It's overshadowed by SFAM, IMHO.

Yes, underrated by some of the newer DT fans converted by SFAM or newer work.  And Cygnus, don't use the death-face  for great albums!



Posted By: Cygnus
Date Posted: July 26 2005 at 08:30
Originally posted by DolphinFan DolphinFan wrote:

Originally posted by Bj-1 Bj-1 wrote:

Originally posted by Cygnus Cygnus wrote:

OVERATED ALBUM. GREAT ALBUM BUT NOT A MASTERPIECE.

                                     

I think it's rather underrated. It's overshadowed by SFAM, IMHO.

Yes, underrated by some of the newer DT fans converted by SFAM or newer work.  And Cygnus, don't use the death-face  for great albums!

I WOULDNīT BE A GREAT DIRECTOR AFTER ALL. 

BUT REALY AWAKE CONTAINS SOME JUST OK SONGS(LIE, INOCENCE FADED) NEXT TO MASTERPIECES (EROTOMNIA, SPACE-DYE VEST)

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Posted By: Progzilla
Date Posted: July 26 2005 at 09:13
Awake is an very long and complex album, and at least for me it took much longer than other DT albums to really understand and enjoy all the tracks. 6:00, the first song, is the only one that does nothing special for me, it's just ok. The rest are all extraordinary compositions. Scarred is truly amazing...




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Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: September 19 2005 at 18:35

Originally posted by Me Me wrote:

It is my personal favorite DT album, and is probably the last "classic" DT album. I love it. It features some of the best songwriting from DT ever IMO. It makes SFAM look average. 4.9 stars

I upgraded it to 5 stars about a month ago



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Posted By: Wolf Spider
Date Posted: September 20 2005 at 04:29
Very good album indeed like all stuff DT made

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Posted By: blunt
Date Posted: September 23 2005 at 13:32

Fantastic album. 6.00 still remains one of my fave DT songs because of that amazing bassline that just leaps out at you. Great track. I have always been a casual observer of DT as I simply find the instrumentation very bland and overwrought. Brilliant certainly but I only got interested again after Train Of Thought. Probably says volumes about my taste in more direct metal.

 



Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: September 23 2005 at 14:03
Alongside I&W my fav album... SFAM gets 3rd place... Great, powerfull album, with the awesome ending track created by the master himself

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Posted By: Wenhov
Date Posted: September 23 2005 at 14:20
DT is clearly my favorite band and Awake is among the top three albums (including Images... and Scenes). I like most of the new sound but the old "classic" sound with its variations is in my opinion much more interestng to listen to.


Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: September 23 2005 at 19:17
I love it just like any other DT album Masterpiece.

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Posted By: BePinkTheater
Date Posted: September 23 2005 at 19:18

Originally posted by Bj-1 Bj-1 wrote:

It is my personal favorite DT album, and is probably the last "classic" DT album. I love it. It features some of the best songwriting from DT ever IMO. It makes SFAM look average. 4.9 stars

i cuncur

The whole Album is fiilled with a lot of emotion, which is really missing form the rest of their stuff. 

Its brilliant



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Posted By: BePinkTheater
Date Posted: September 23 2005 at 19:20
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

 

I agree that it's the last of the "classic" DT albums. In fact, only Images, Awake and ACoS are the classic DT albums. It's connected to Moore, or at least they changed their songwriting after he had left.

I wouldn't call Scenes "average" though. It's brilliant in it's own way ... I would rate both Awake and Scenes 5 stars. all of their other albums except WDADU are 4 stars for me ... they are all exceptional in different aspects. 

ACoS doesnt have Moore on it,But good try



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Posted By: BePinkTheater
Date Posted: September 23 2005 at 19:22
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by hiddenpath hiddenpath wrote:

for me awake has a unique vibe to it, not present in any of the opther DT albums. Thatīs why I consider it so good. Itīs difficult comparing between albums cause they are different from on e another. for me the best is Scenes, then

I guess that Images, Awake and Scenes are all valid candidates for "best DT album". It depends on your background which on you choose as your favorite.

and 6DOIT isnt?!

The Second disc is PURE GENIUS!



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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: September 23 2005 at 19:25
Originally posted by BePinkTheater BePinkTheater wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by hiddenpath hiddenpath wrote:

for me awake has a unique vibe to it, not present in any of the opther DT albums. Thatīs why I consider it so good. Itīs difficult comparing between albums cause they are different from on e another. for me the best is Scenes, then

I guess that Images, Awake and Scenes are all valid candidates for "best DT album". It depends on your background which on you choose as your favorite.

and 6DOIT isnt?!

The Second disc is PURE GENIUS!

You said it yourself - the second disc is great. The first contains a lot of filler though.



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Posted By: BePinkTheater
Date Posted: September 23 2005 at 19:30

True, the second disc has a very bad flow.

Actually what ruins it is the intro to the great debate, it takes too long

The glass prison is a great openerand a great song.

Then Blind faith Brings it even higher!

Missunderstood bringes it lower for a while but would be fine IF the great debate brough it up again

but sadly, for the first 2 minutes...its boring and i rarely get to the rest of the song, Which is GREAT!

then dissapear is a sad ending to it, that would work if the album had a better flow..but The Great debate's intro ruins it all



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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: September 23 2005 at 19:44
Originally posted by BePinkTheater BePinkTheater wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

 

I agree that it's the last of the "classic" DT albums. In fact, only Images, Awake and ACoS are the classic DT albums. It's connected to Moore, or at least they changed their songwriting after he had left.

I wouldn't call Scenes "average" though. It's brilliant in it's own way ... I would rate both Awake and Scenes 5 stars. all of their other albums except WDADU are 4 stars for me ... they are all exceptional in different aspects. 

ACoS doesnt have Moore on it,But good try

 But Sherinian wasn't yet in when the parts were written. I don't know if Moore was already with Majesty when they were written ... but in sound, phrasing etc. the keyboards on ACoS are much more similar to Moore's parts than to anything on FII (or any of Sherinians solo releases).

 



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Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: September 23 2005 at 19:47
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by BePinkTheater BePinkTheater wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by hiddenpath hiddenpath wrote:

for me awake has a unique vibe to it, not present in any of the opther DT albums. Thatīs why I consider it so good. Itīs difficult comparing between albums cause they are different from on e another. for me the best is Scenes, then

I guess that Images, Awake and Scenes are all valid candidates for "best DT album". It depends on your background which on you choose as your favorite.

and 6DOIT isnt?!

The Second disc is PURE GENIUS!

You said it yourself - the second disc is great. The first contains a lot of filler though.

Disagree! I think the first disc is perfect, but the second disc contains filler, IMO.



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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: September 23 2005 at 19:55
I guess you'd call the overture filler, but celebrate the noodling on Octavarium.

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