You Hate, I Like
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Topic: You Hate, I Like
Posted By: Snow Dog
Subject: You Hate, I Like
Date Posted: January 27 2012 at 05:48
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What tracks/songs/albums do you like that the majority here seem to dislike/hate? My choices Tracks More Fool Me - Genesis I Know What I Like - Genesis Illegal Alien - Genesis Who Dunnit - Genesis Roll The Bones - Rush Dog Years - Rush Countdown - Rush Benny The Bouncer - ELP Albums Big Generator - Yes Open Your Eyes - Yes Invisible Touch - Yes Side 2 of Tarkus - ELP Love Beach - ELP Falling Into Infinity - DReam Theater Systematic Chaos - DReam Theater ...thats enough for now but there is more. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: January 27 2012 at 06:29
------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Snow Dog wrote:Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 27 2012 at 06:32
Why are you commenting on my choices? What are yours? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: January 27 2012 at 06:34
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The only one that immediately springs to mind is From Genesis To Revelation, I think it's more prog than most people give it credit for and certainly better produced than some of their following albums (even with the unnecessary addition of syrupy strings to every song) ------------- What? |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 27 2012 at 06:36
I must listen again, it certainly isn't terrible. Just doesn't do anything for me I suppose. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: January 27 2012 at 07:19
How in the hell am I supposed to know what you like that I hate? 
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 27 2012 at 07:22
Obviously you didn't read the original post. Ok forget it and carry on as normal. You are excused from any blame. 
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: January 27 2012 at 07:34
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Posted By: zravkapt
Date Posted: January 27 2012 at 08:36
| Invisible Touch is the greatest thing Yes ever did. |
Posted By: Smurph
Date Posted: January 27 2012 at 08:39
Have you heard Closer to the Edge? Also confusion cause Genesis did Invisible Touch? Or am I off? |
Posted By: zravkapt
Date Posted: January 27 2012 at 08:41
| Have you heard of Genesis? |
Posted By: AlexDOM
Date Posted: January 27 2012 at 09:07
| Maybe Dream Theater's Octavarium which I see as highly underrated here. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 27 2012 at 09:18
Not underrated...a bad album. Seems a few of us agree. And you like it, which is fine. That is the purpose of this thread. Now no one say underrated or overrated again. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: January 27 2012 at 11:13
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I expect that a lot of the music I love the majority would dislike if they heard it. Anyway, Magma's Merci is one album I like considerably that many have deemed trash.I expect that a lot of people don't get beyond the first track. I do, still, prefer the Offering albums, which I've seen trashed, and I once stupidly said some things against myself. Now that I've answered the question in the first post, looking to this topic's title, I see you rated Asia's self-titled five stars, and that is an album that I have hated. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 27 2012 at 11:21
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^I don't think it is universally hated though but if it is..... Albums continued Asia - Asia GTR - GTR ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: January 27 2012 at 11:23
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I'm a huge fan of Earth and Fire, and really love their later albums, as they left prog behind and went for a more Euro-pop sound with prog seasoning. Based on PA album ratings and the reviews posted, I imagine most people here hate, or would hate if they heard it: Earth and Fire - Gate to Infinity Earth and Fire - Andromeda Girl these two especially - two of my favorites. ------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: January 27 2012 at 11:24
Hey, as long as I get a pass for focusing on your thread title rather than paying attention to the actual substance.  Me Tarzan, you Jane... ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: January 27 2012 at 11:37
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90125 - Yes Abacab - Genesis Duke - Genesis Virtually all other Collins era Genesis The Final Cut - Floyd The Fugitive - Tony Banks The King is Dead - The Decemberists Asia - Asia All Blackmore's Night All Jon & Vangelis ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 27 2012 at 11:46
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^I think 90125 is widely liked here which is why I didn't include it in my list. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 27 2012 at 11:48
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can we have more songs please? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: January 27 2012 at 11:48
There's a few on your list I like quite a lot, especially 90125 and The King is Dead. I don't know enough about Blackmores Night. I saw some video of his, maybe 12 years ago, and it featured him playing a lute running through a meadow..that was enough for me... 
Anyways, I like, that many others seem to not like.. Black Moon - ELP The Works - Queen Train of Thought - Dream Theater (believe it or not) Ghost Reveries - Opeth The Sentinal - Pallas (possibly for mostly sentimental reasons) ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: January 27 2012 at 12:00
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Let It Be - Most reviewers are very tough on that one. For me, it's my favorite Beatle album.
The Red Shoes - The lowest rated Kate album, I love it. ------------- ...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell" |
Posted By: Ytse_Jam
Date Posted: January 27 2012 at 12:00
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90125 - Yes Asia, Alpha, Astra - Asia this comes to my mind...
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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: January 27 2012 at 12:01
Try Blackmore's Night - I think you'd enjoy. I am the same about The Sentinel. Those were heady and great days. ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 27 2012 at 12:01
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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: January 27 2012 at 12:03
I'll have a think  ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: January 27 2012 at 12:08
The OP says songs or albums, albums are what came to mind  ------------- ...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell" |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 27 2012 at 12:18
Two threads possibly? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: January 27 2012 at 12:18
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Jethro Tull - Under Wraps
And a song for Snowie...
Babe - Styx........98% of the world hates it, I like it  ------------- ...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell" |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 27 2012 at 12:28
I don't like anything by Styx. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: January 27 2012 at 12:39
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In with you at this one :
More fool me is a great Genesis song.
Albums:
Tool : 10.000 days , my favorite tool, many seems to dislike it, or at least not regard as high as the 2 albums before.
Gentle Gaint : The Missing Piece/Gaint for a day, seems most prople hate late Gaint, allmost to the point of thinking its POP, i like both, listning to them relatively often.
Pink Floyd : A M L O Reason, like it a lot more than Final Cut and Division Bell, and i think its better than most of The Wall.
Songs are harder, due to not sure what others like.
------------- Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 27 2012 at 12:45
True. Sometimes you pick up on it though in the threads. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: January 27 2012 at 12:45
------------- Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours |
Posted By: colorofmoney91
Date Posted: January 27 2012 at 13:10
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I like Genesis' '80s material a lot more than their earlier prog material. I also prefer '80s King Crimson over their earlier material. I'm not sure but I think I'm one of the few people that think Blue Lambency Downward is Kayo Dot's best album. ------------- http://hanashukketsu.bandcamp.com" rel="nofollow - Hanashukketsu |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: January 27 2012 at 13:37
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^I also love Blue Lambency. Also: Deep Purple - Stormbringer and Come Taste the Band DT - Octavarium and FII Radiohead - Pablo Honey Pink Floyd - Ummagumma ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: January 27 2012 at 14:21
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Octahedron Blue Lambency Downward Hold Your Fire The King is Dead The Difference Machine ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: January 27 2012 at 14:37
So then you're sailing away with that eh? To be serious, I have a hard time going down to song level except for Whodunnit. Album level, Tormato comes to mind. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: January 27 2012 at 14:53
There's three agreeing with you already, but I think you're right about us being a minority. Stunning album. A top 5 of the 00's
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: January 27 2012 at 14:59
| After hearing it, it became my favourite Kayo Dot album, and remains so. Great album. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: January 27 2012 at 15:03
Two I'm just not interested in hearing ever again. Have you tried the live GTR? Any good? ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: January 27 2012 at 16:36
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Forgot about:
The King Is Dead
Road Salt 1 & 2 ------------- Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours |
Posted By: iluvmarillion
Date Posted: January 27 2012 at 17:52
Good choices above. All three are albums I don't like very much. No one has mentioned Yes's "Fly From Here" which a lot of people dislike very much. I actually love this album and one of the songs of this album which cops a lot of criticism is "The Man You Always Wanted To Be". I actually like this song very much as well.
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Posted By: zravkapt
Date Posted: January 27 2012 at 18:24
| I've always liked Who Dunnit? and Illegal Alien and I gave Ummagumma 5 stars. |
Posted By: wilmon91
Date Posted: January 27 2012 at 18:55
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I'm mostly bound to like things that aren't discussed at all. It's not hated, but rather neglected, and dismissed as something, it could be "one of those albums belonging to their commercial period" or something.
I think Camel's "The Single Factor" is a great album, and I really like "You are the one".
Anthony Phillips "Invisible Men" is an album with some catchy pop tunes which I like. "Traces" is really nice. My cd is still lying up in the attic somewhere, it was quite a while since I heard it.
But the real answer is no, I don't know any song I like which I'm aware to be generally hated.
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Posted By: Billy Pilgrim
Date Posted: January 28 2012 at 01:31
| I'd like to give a shout out to all the little pop songs H era Marillion did, stuff off Holidays in Eden and Seasons End mostly. Hooks in you, No One Can, Cover My Eyes, Uninvited Guest etc. quite enjoyable to me at times. |
Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: January 28 2012 at 01:42
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Another one :
Allways loved "The League of gentlemen", the Fripp 80's poweralbum, and i must be very alone there, allmost impossible to get the album. Cant even bye as MP3 from DGM or anywhere else i guess.
David Sylvian in general ------------- Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours |
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: January 28 2012 at 04:25
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Songs: Genesis - Whodunnit Genesis - Man On The Corner Genesis - Another Record Yes - Love Will Find A Way Yes - The Rhythm Of Love Yes - Lift Me Up Yes - Saving My Heart Albums: Tony Banks: The Fugitive Tony Banks: Soundtracks Tony Banks: Bankstatement Tony Banks: Still Tony Banks: Seven (A Suite For Orchestra) Buggles - The Age Of Plastic Buggles - Adventures In Modern Recording Camel - The Single Factor Genesis - Abacab Genesis - Genesis Genesis - Invisible Touch Jon & Vangelis - Short Stories Jon & Vangelis - Private Collection Anthony Phillips - Sides Yes - 90125 I like the following albums as well, but they still get a 3+ rating on PA, so I think they have their fair share of fans after all: Asia - Asia Genesis - And Then There Were Three Genesis - Duke EDIT: I forgot Jon & Vangelis, but I saw them in Lazland's list, and I thought I ought to add them as well |
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: January 28 2012 at 04:42
Yep, an unjustly neglected album that I used to own on vinyl but have been unable to unearth on CD. In places it sounds like the closest we will ever hear to the non sequitur Prog-Punk  ------------- 
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Posted By: JS19
Date Posted: January 28 2012 at 04:56
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Albums: The Decemberists - The King Is Dead The Mars Volta - The Bedlam In Goliath The Dillinger Escape Plan - Calculating Infinity Rush - Presto Pendragon - Kowtow ------------- 
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Posted By: Starhammer
Date Posted: January 28 2012 at 05:01
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Posted By: frippism
Date Posted: January 28 2012 at 06:05
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I LOVE Orthrelm's "OV"- but I can totally understand why most people who'd listen to it will despise it- shrieking riffs, a almost unbearable amount of repetition. I don't know why but I just love it. ------------- There be dragons |
Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: January 28 2012 at 07:17
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Yes - 90125 - great album really yet so despised here Kayo Dot - Coyote - rave reviews on here but I cant stand it. Genesis - Duke - its not as bad as people are saying. Bjork - Medulla - so many praise this lame excuse for music. ELP - Love Beach.... no I really hate that one Rush - Presto - their worst album ever without any question yet some hail it as a masterpiece.... Tangerine Dream - Phaedra - I dont know why people like this so much as its their worst album. But I am not into that style. Yes - Fly From Here - a very good return from the band. Not to be criticised so harshly. Rush - Snakes and Arrows - so many love this but it was a real disappointment, hardly any prog on it at all. songs Yes - Owner of a lonely heart - just an awesome song bringing their music to my ears for the first time All Indo Raga - none of it appeals to me Captain Beefheart - a legend here but the music is terrible overall OK flame away
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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: January 28 2012 at 10:09
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Posted By: frippism
Date Posted: January 28 2012 at 10:18
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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: January 28 2012 at 10:29
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Medulla is freakin' incredible.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: January 28 2012 at 10:48
Though we;re getting off-topic, since this is about albums "you" like that most dislike, Scott, re Medulla and Coyote, have you actually listened well to the studio albums? I seem to recall with Medulla that you listened to some youtube tracks, possibly out of order, possibly missing some of the music, and some of it was a live version, and with Coyote it was based ona streaming live version. I think it's important to listen to a good quality recording (CD, or buy the mp3s etc.) on a decent system, listen in full and in order, and give it multiple spins, and give it time. I might not like an album when I first play it, then return a few months later and love it -- depends on my mood, and if there are distractions.... I like to "live" with albums, and I play albums I get many times. There have been a few cases where I got an album and never played it again (Spock's Beard Snow for instance), but I wouldn't review those as I never gave it a chance to fully absorb the music and appreciate it. As for Indo Prog/ Raga Rock, there's a quite a bit I like, but I love Mixtus Orbis. That is my favourite album that is top rated in its category. If you can't appreciate it, dunno if you have heard the album (there's a poor quality youtube track up, but that doesn't do it) and what we like isn't a matter of what's good, but taste anyway. There's high quality musicianship -- not stoned Indian wannabes, to use Iain's turn of phrase. |
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: January 28 2012 at 11:02
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^ Ok I admit that dismissing an entire genre with one glib phrase was regrettable and I do apologise but what little I've heard from Indo/Raga leaves me strenuously unmoved (it's my loss)
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: January 28 2012 at 11:45
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^ No need to apologise, I took your turn off phrase as glib and in good-humour. The acid/ stoned hippy culture is important to psych laden music,but in Krautrock and Indo Prog/ Raga Rock there have been musicians composers who come from very respectable, serious musical backgrounds -- studied in music conservatories. I have commonly found a higher degree of musicianship in those categories than, say, [I won't say it for fear of insult] (but maybe that's my ears and is not a really worthwhile comment). I have found albums that I like in every category at PA, though the albums may not be representative of the categories. I think too many dismissive of a category, and albums, without properly exploring it or giving the material time to absorb and adjust to. There's often a learning curve when it comes to the appreciation of music, I think, and I think when some people review a lot, they don't give music the time that is necessary to have, or feel, deep insight when it comes to the music. Although youtube tracks are The first clip is in Indo Prog/ Raga Rock off the most popular album, and the second is in Krautrock and only has an average rating of 2.32 with six ratings, but I love it. |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: January 28 2012 at 12:00
QFT
It's probably my "least favourite" Kayo Dot which still puts it at ~5* |
Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: January 28 2012 at 12:04
I have a lot of affection for that album too. I was 12 years old and Camel was my first concert, and it was the tour in support of that album. I had already been a fan for a couple of years, so it was a real treat. I'm glad they released a show from that tour on the "On the Road" series, even though it's clearly not the band at its peak. But it's good. ------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: January 30 2012 at 14:37
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St. Anger I win. ------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow">  https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |
Posted By: The_Jester
Date Posted: January 30 2012 at 15:18
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A Passion Play wich is my favorite album of all time is somewhat hated I don't know why... ------------- La victoire est éphémère mais la gloire est éternelle! - Napoléon Bonaparte |
Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: January 30 2012 at 15:22
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^3.95 stars. Not that hated. Its just a very polarizing album. Much of its disregard is generated by the disregard it has from its own composer.
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 30 2012 at 15:28
I don't mind St. Anger. Thought it was quite good ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: The_Jester
Date Posted: January 30 2012 at 15:57
------------- La victoire est éphémère mais la gloire est éternelle! - Napoléon Bonaparte |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: January 30 2012 at 16:31
Ian Anderson is a kook. ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: January 30 2012 at 16:42
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I disliked APP before I heard about Anderson's own attitudes. And yes, he doesn't care for it either. A couple more I remembered: From Genesis to Revelation - All quality pop songs with a warm vintage atmosphere. I find its naivete pretty cute and like it much more than Abacrap or anything that came after. Tool - Opiate and Undertow - These seem to get scorned around here because they're not as prog as their later works. I think they are wonderful metal albums with great lyrics, punchy production and not a single weak song. Nine Inch Nails - With Teeth - It's a strong enjoyable album even if it doesn't add much to the previous two. Naked City - Leng Tch'e - Dunno what's up with the negative reviews, I think it's awesome. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: January 30 2012 at 18:31
I think that makes me, you and 1 other guy on the site. I think JJLehto? ------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow"> https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |
Posted By: frippism
Date Posted: January 31 2012 at 11:34
oh my god yes you do ------------- There be dragons |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: February 01 2012 at 19:28
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Both albums by http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=6467" rel="nofollow - Il Maniscalco Maldestro . I actually decided to check them out thanks to the negative reviews from Torodd and Evolver, and I loved both. I'll write two 4-star reviews when/if I overcome laziness. They're both http://www.ilmaniscalcomaldestro.com/wp/discografia?lang=en" rel="nofollow - free downloads so check them out for yourself if a mix of Mr. Bungle and TMV with crazy Italian vocals sounds like a good idea. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: ten years after
Date Posted: February 02 2012 at 02:52
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I think the albums I dislike are the ones other people think other people dislike. |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: February 02 2012 at 04:52
Yeah, that's a cool band ------------- ...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell" |
Posted By: Billy Pilgrim
Date Posted: February 04 2012 at 04:12
Nothing can top that.
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Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: February 04 2012 at 12:09
JJ too, but I also didn't dislike it. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Salty_Jon" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Ambient Hurricanes
Date Posted: February 04 2012 at 21:52
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Rush - Presto A masterpiece, imo, one of their best albums ever. ------------- I love dogs, I've always loved dogs |
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: February 04 2012 at 22:16
Crazy Italian vocals...are there any other kind? -------------
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Posted By: BnT
Date Posted: February 07 2012 at 12:22
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Roger Waters - The Pros and Cons of Hitch Hiking I've seen that one getting plenty of flac, but I think it's a great album, and - dare I say it? - better than The Wall. I also think Blue Lambency Downward is the best Kayo Dot album. |
Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Date Posted: February 13 2012 at 12:12
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For album: Kate Bush - The Sensual World One of her best.
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Posted By: Trick of the lamb
Date Posted: February 13 2012 at 17:14
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Jethro Tull - Dot Com (the song) Yes - I'm Running; Owner of a Lonely Heart; Changes Soft Machine - Over 'n' Above; (Black) Velvet Mountain Genesis - From Genesis to Revelation album and most of the 80's stuff, hard to name each song Pink Floyd - Everything considered hated by them, if there is such stuff (I suppose The Final Cut and MLoR) King Crimson - Neal and Jack and Me; Heartbeat Peter Gabriel - Sledgehammer; Don't Give Up |
Posted By: The_Jester
Date Posted: February 13 2012 at 17:45
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The song Invisible Touch by Genesis. ------------- La victoire est éphémère mais la gloire est éternelle! - Napoléon Bonaparte |
Posted By: Slaughternalia
Date Posted: February 13 2012 at 18:28
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I dunno about this site specifically, but I've found that Protest the Hero can be unjustly lumped in with sh*tty scenecore bands
also more fool me is boss ------------- I'm so mad that you enjoy a certain combination of noises that I don't |