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Topic: Vompatti (yup, the one and only) - Prog Electronic
Posted By: The Neck Romancer
Subject: Vompatti (yup, the one and only) - Prog Electronic
Date Posted: December 09 2011 at 07:30

Our resident spambot has released 3 albums as name-your-price downloads on Bandcamp.

He's recorded minimalist, gloomy, dark electronic ambient music which is, surprisingly, very good. It'll fit in our Progressive Electronic section like a glove.

You can listen/download/buy his music at this link, or instead click at the album covers on this post to go to the respective album pages.


http://vompatti.bandcamp.com/album/i-am-a-great-november-garden" rel="nofollow">


http://vompatti.bandcamp.com/album/in-the-distant-solitude-of-the-weak-and-passive-water-where-evening-decays" rel="nofollow">


http://vompatti.bandcamp.com/releases" rel="nofollow">




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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: December 09 2011 at 08:58
Rejected already. :(


Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: December 09 2011 at 09:01
Because it's not prog or because it's not electronic?


Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: December 09 2011 at 09:03
Because of the signed/unsigned/free releases thing. 


Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: December 09 2011 at 09:03
Oh.


Posted By: The Neck Romancer
Date Posted: December 09 2011 at 09:49

I always thought Bandcamp could be accepted as a label :/


IIRC there are quite a few artists here who released naught but free or pay-what-you-want albums on Bandcamp and were granted entry here.



Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: December 09 2011 at 09:57
^ The most recent (or one of) artist he personally added, http://thepresentmoment.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - The Present Moment , is also not signed and with its albums up on Bandcamp, for which you can name your price. And that band still makes little to no sense why it's been added.

I caught a bit of the discussion in the CZ zone, I don't remember a clear rejection for such arguments. I didn't follow up the conversation till the end, though.


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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: December 09 2011 at 10:01
Originally posted by Polo Polo wrote:

I always thought Bandcamp could be accepted as a label :/


IIRC there are quite a few artists here who released naught but free or pay-what-you-want albums on Bandcamp and were granted entry here.



Yes it is acceptable. If you look up the policy it says it depends on the team to judge the eligibility of the release. Next, if the teams say yes, there's a further Admin approval that is required.


Posted By: colorofmoney91
Date Posted: December 09 2011 at 14:57
Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

^ The most recent (or one of) artist he personally added, http://thepresentmoment.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - The Present Moment , is also not signed and with its albums up on Bandcamp, for which you can name your price. And that band still makes little to no sense why it's been added.

I still do not understand the prog value of this.


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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: December 09 2011 at 15:22
Originally posted by colorofmoney91 colorofmoney91 wrote:

Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

^ The most recent (or one of) artist he personally added, http://thepresentmoment.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - The Present Moment , is also not signed and with its albums up on Bandcamp, for which you can name your price. And that band still makes little to no sense why it's been added.

I still do not understand the prog value of this.
Neither does Philippe if you read the bio he wrote.


Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: December 09 2011 at 17:02
I'll sign you to my fictional label for a small fee.  Or you could take blank label and sign it I suppose.

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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: December 09 2011 at 17:07
Maybe it's time we had an unsigned bands category.

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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: December 09 2011 at 17:11
more like "maybe if they decide something is no longer criteria then all the collabs should take note of that"


Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: December 09 2011 at 17:15
Originally posted by Vompatti Vompatti wrote:

Originally posted by colorofmoney91 colorofmoney91 wrote:

Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

^ The most recent (or one of) artist he personally added, http://thepresentmoment.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - The Present Moment , is also not signed and with its albums up on Bandcamp, for which you can name your price. And that band still makes little to no sense why it's been added.

I still do not understand the prog value of this.
Neither does Philippe if you read the bio he wrote.

And we all know phillipe is a swell guy who everybody agrees with so let's just move past that, k.


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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: December 09 2011 at 17:21
^ Fear not, for someday phillipe will reject your work, too.

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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: December 09 2011 at 17:23
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

I'll sign you to my fictional label for a small fee.  Or you could take blank label and sign it I suppose.
But I don't want to be labeled. Cry


Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: December 09 2011 at 17:54
Originally posted by Vompatti Vompatti wrote:

Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

I'll sign you to my fictional label for a small fee.  Or you could take blank label and sign it I suppose.
But I don't want to be labeled. Cry

It wasn't like I was going to stick it on your forehead or something like that.


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Posted By: Anthony H.
Date Posted: December 09 2011 at 17:57
Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Because of the signed/unsigned/free releases thing. 


What absolute bollocks. That's an absurd policy in the year 2011.


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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: December 09 2011 at 18:02
Originally posted by Anthony H. Anthony H. wrote:

Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Because of the signed/unsigned/free releases thing. 


What absolute bollocks. That's an absurd policy in the year 2011.


QFT


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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: December 09 2011 at 18:09
Originally posted by Anthony H. Anthony H. wrote:

Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Because of the signed/unsigned/free releases thing. 


What absolute bollocks. That's an absurd policy in the year 2011.


What exactly is absurd?


Posted By: Anthony H.
Date Posted: December 09 2011 at 18:34
Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Originally posted by Anthony H. Anthony H. wrote:

Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Because of the signed/unsigned/free releases thing. 


What absolute bollocks. That's an absurd policy in the year 2011.


What exactly is absurd?


Record labels are a defunct idea by this point. Free self-releases are becoming more and more ubiquitous, and it's nonsensical to reject this music (which CLEARLY fits into the site) on the basis of how it's released.


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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: December 09 2011 at 18:37
No, you see it's to weed out the riff raff. This is a Highly Serious Music Site, you know.

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Posted By: The Neck Romancer
Date Posted: December 09 2011 at 18:53

I remember a post by Dean (I think) in which he condemned label-less artists as apparently if you're not on a label your music must not be good enough.


I'm too lazy to look for it and yep, I may have synthetised his opinion in a blunt, perhaps distorted way, but looks like the admin team or at least him are against unsigned acts.



Posted By: Anthony H.
Date Posted: December 09 2011 at 18:54
Originally posted by Polo Polo wrote:

I remember a post by Dean (I think) in which he condemned label-less artists as apparently if you're not on a label your music must not be good enough.


I'm too lazy to look for it and yep, I may have synthetised his opinion in a blunt, perhaps distorted way, but looks like the admin team or at least him are against unsigned acts.



Ridiculous. Angry Cry


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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: December 09 2011 at 18:54
This is unfortunate.




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Posted By: The Neck Romancer
Date Posted: December 09 2011 at 18:58
Will someone look for it for me? I'm too busy playing video games and trying to get these drunk badly-worn cougars outta my room.


Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: December 09 2011 at 19:10
I don't understand the weeping and gnashing of teeth: Any collaborator can see the Band Admission Policy and the Signed/Unsigned Policy in the CZ that was posted a year ago.

From what I can tell, it's essentially up to P
hilippe to decide what artists go into Prog Electronic and what artists don't.  Why there is only one person on a genre team is beyond me.  Ermm


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Posted By: Anthony H.
Date Posted: December 09 2011 at 19:14
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

I don't understand the weeping and gnashing of teeth: Any collaborator can see the Band Admission Policy and the Signed/Unsigned Policy in the CZ that was posted a year ago.

From what I can tell, it's essentially up to P
hilippe to decide what artists go into Prog Electronic and what artists don't.  Why there is only one person on a genre team is beyond me.  Ermm


I'm aware of the policy, but that doesn't mean that I have to agree with it.

Indeed, the team should be expanded. I can think of a few people who could easily serve it well.


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Posted By: Sheavy
Date Posted: December 09 2011 at 20:53
Originally posted by Anthony H. Anthony H. wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

I don't understand the weeping and gnashing of teeth: Any collaborator can see the Band Admission Policy and the Signed/Unsigned Policy in the CZ that was posted a year ago.

From what I can tell, it's essentially up to P
hilippe to decide what artists go into Prog Electronic and what artists don't.  Why there is only one person on a genre team is beyond me.  Ermm


I'm aware of the policy, but that doesn't mean that I have to agree with it.

Indeed, the team should be expanded. I can think of a few people who could easily serve it well.
 
*Cough Allan *Cough.


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Posted By: Windhawk
Date Posted: December 09 2011 at 21:11
Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Originally posted by Anthony H. Anthony H. wrote:

Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Because of the signed/unsigned/free releases thing. 


What absolute bollocks. That's an absurd policy in the year 2011.


What exactly is absurd?


I think this may be a reference to the major labels now phasing out physical CDs as a mass medium, and many new artists utilizing the "get my music for free" approach to build a following.


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Posted By: Anthony H.
Date Posted: December 09 2011 at 21:17
Originally posted by Windhawk Windhawk wrote:

Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Originally posted by Anthony H. Anthony H. wrote:

Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Because of the signed/unsigned/free releases thing. 


What absolute bollocks. That's an absurd policy in the year 2011.


What exactly is absurd?


I think this may be a reference to the major labels now phasing out physical CDs as a mass medium, and many new artists utilizing the "get my music for free" approach to build a following.


Clap


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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: December 09 2011 at 21:34
Originally posted by Anthony H. Anthony H. wrote:

Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Originally posted by Anthony H. Anthony H. wrote:

Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Because of the signed/unsigned/free releases thing. 


What absolute bollocks. That's an absurd policy in the year 2011.


What exactly is absurd?


Record labels are a defunct idea by this point. Free self-releases are becoming more and more ubiquitous, and it's nonsensical to reject this music (which CLEARLY fits into the site) on the basis of how it's released.


Eh? We've made it already possible for free releases to get in, it's been almost a year now.


Posted By: Anthony H.
Date Posted: December 09 2011 at 21:38
Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Originally posted by Anthony H. Anthony H. wrote:

Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Originally posted by Anthony H. Anthony H. wrote:

Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Because of the signed/unsigned/free releases thing. 


What absolute bollocks. That's an absurd policy in the year 2011.


What exactly is absurd?


Record labels are a defunct idea by this point. Free self-releases are becoming more and more ubiquitous, and it's nonsensical to reject this music (which CLEARLY fits into the site) on the basis of how it's released.


Eh? We've made it already possible for free releases to get in, it's been almost a year now.


Then why doesn't Vomps qualify? (I'm actually asking; maybe there's something I don't know about the policy.)


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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: December 09 2011 at 21:49
Originally posted by Anthony H. Anthony H. wrote:

Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Originally posted by Anthony H. Anthony H. wrote:

Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Originally posted by Anthony H. Anthony H. wrote:

Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Because of the signed/unsigned/free releases thing. 


What absolute bollocks. That's an absurd policy in the year 2011.


What exactly is absurd?


Record labels are a defunct idea by this point. Free self-releases are becoming more and more ubiquitous, and it's nonsensical to reject this music (which CLEARLY fits into the site) on the basis of how it's released.


Eh? We've made it already possible for free releases to get in, it's been almost a year now.


Then why doesn't Vomps qualify? (I'm actually asking; maybe there's something I don't know about the policy.)


The free releases policy was made to adjust the PA submission process to help pro bands and dedicated musicians that happen to release their music for free go through, while discerning them from bedroom projects or people creating music on a computer for fun, which PA is not about. Not that this should read that we consider bedroom projects and the likes as bad things, it's just where we chose to set the bar (we can't host all music created).


Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: December 09 2011 at 22:05
I'm still more interested in why Prog Electronic has one man deciding who goes in and who doesn't, especially when it seemed a priority that Eclectic Prog go from three men to 5+.


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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: December 09 2011 at 22:10
We'll get more trustworthy collabs and genre specialists in the electronic team when they appear, sure.


Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: December 09 2011 at 22:11
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

I'm still more interested in why Prog Electronic (and Krautrock and Indo/Raga) has one man deciding who goes in and who doesn't, especially when it seemed a priority that Eclectic Prog go from three men to 5+.


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Posted By: Anthony H.
Date Posted: December 09 2011 at 22:15
Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Originally posted by Anthony H. Anthony H. wrote:

Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Originally posted by Anthony H. Anthony H. wrote:

Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Originally posted by Anthony H. Anthony H. wrote:

Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Because of the signed/unsigned/free releases thing. 


What absolute bollocks. That's an absurd policy in the year 2011.


What exactly is absurd?


Record labels are a defunct idea by this point. Free self-releases are becoming more and more ubiquitous, and it's nonsensical to reject this music (which CLEARLY fits into the site) on the basis of how it's released.


Eh? We've made it already possible for free releases to get in, it's been almost a year now.


Then why doesn't Vomps qualify? (I'm actually asking; maybe there's something I don't know about the policy.)


The free releases policy was made to adjust the PA submission process to help pro bands and dedicated musicians that happen to release their music for free go through, while discerning them from bedroom projects or people creating music on a computer for fun, which PA is not about. Not that this should read that we consider bedroom projects and the likes as bad things, it's just where we chose to set the bar (we can't host all music created).


But if the music fits, why not? By those standards, professionalism (regardless if it's free or not) is an important standard for inclusion. So, does this mean that we take Simon Railton off?

My point is: it's inconsistent. If music fits on the site under a certain genre, then it should be included.


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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: December 09 2011 at 22:22
Originally posted by Anthony H. Anthony H. wrote:

Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Originally posted by Anthony H. Anthony H. wrote:

Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Originally posted by Anthony H. Anthony H. wrote:

Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Originally posted by Anthony H. Anthony H. wrote:

Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Because of the signed/unsigned/free releases thing. 


What absolute bollocks. That's an absurd policy in the year 2011.


What exactly is absurd?


Record labels are a defunct idea by this point. Free self-releases are becoming more and more ubiquitous, and it's nonsensical to reject this music (which CLEARLY fits into the site) on the basis of how it's released.


Eh? We've made it already possible for free releases to get in, it's been almost a year now.


Then why doesn't Vomps qualify? (I'm actually asking; maybe there's something I don't know about the policy.)


The free releases policy was made to adjust the PA submission process to help pro bands and dedicated musicians that happen to release their music for free go through, while discerning them from bedroom projects or people creating music on a computer for fun, which PA is not about. Not that this should read that we consider bedroom projects and the likes as bad things, it's just where we chose to set the bar (we can't host all music created).


But if the music fits, why not? By those standards, professionalism (regardless if it's free or not) is an important standard for inclusion. So, does this mean that we take Simon Railton off?

My point is: it's inconsistent. If music fits on the site under a certain genre, then it should be included.


I don't know who Simon Railton is.

I know it's inconsistent. For example, personally I'd like to address the inconsistency by dealing somehow with amateurish stuff that can technically be added by fulfilling our requirements for being "signed", but I don't know how (or if it even would be possible). Regardless of that, the new policy still is a major improvement. And no, we're not going to start putting anything in, we are quite keen on these nuances that we differentiate between.


Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: December 09 2011 at 22:23
Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

We'll get more trustworthy collabs and genre specialists in the electronic team when they appear, sure.


Is the current gatekeeper of Prog Electronic helping to recruit new members, or are you seriously just waiting for them to "appear?"

To me, this is a serious situation.  No genre team should consist of one man.  Aube is Prog Electronic but Vangelis and Jean Michel Jarre are not?


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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: December 09 2011 at 22:26
Originally posted by Anthony H. Anthony H. wrote:

Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Originally posted by Anthony H. Anthony H. wrote:

Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Originally posted by Anthony H. Anthony H. wrote:

Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Originally posted by Anthony H. Anthony H. wrote:

Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Because of the signed/unsigned/free releases thing. 


What absolute bollocks. That's an absurd policy in the year 2011.


What exactly is absurd?


Record labels are a defunct idea by this point. Free self-releases are becoming more and more ubiquitous, and it's nonsensical to reject this music (which CLEARLY fits into the site) on the basis of how it's released.


Eh? We've made it already possible for free releases to get in, it's been almost a year now.


Then why doesn't Vomps qualify? (I'm actually asking; maybe there's something I don't know about the policy.)


The free releases policy was made to adjust the PA submission process to help pro bands and dedicated musicians that happen to release their music for free go through, while discerning them from bedroom projects or people creating music on a computer for fun, which PA is not about. Not that this should read that we consider bedroom projects and the likes as bad things, it's just where we chose to set the bar (we can't host all music created).


But if the music fits, why not? By those standards, professionalism (regardless if it's free or not) is an important standard for inclusion. So, does this mean that we take Simon Railton off?

My point is: it's inconsistent. If music fits on the site under a certain genre, then it should be included.


Huh?  I was the final vote for Simon Railton.  He is on the Musea label, which ultimately swayed my decision.

That said, I tend to be more liberal about free-releases.  Music is music is music is music.


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Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: December 09 2011 at 22:27
Rob, remember that it's not just Prog Electronic, but also Krautrock (for all realistic intents and purposes, I do not consider Oliverstoned to be a member of that team anymore since I can't recall seeing much, if any input from him since I became a collab) and the micro-genre of Indo/Raga.  Might as well address all three of Philippe's "teams" while we're at it, as I've mentioned several times to others in PMs. 


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Posted By: Conor Fynes
Date Posted: December 09 2011 at 22:28
I've personally never understood why some collaborators would prefer to exclude an artist, rather than include them. I love the site, but it shouldn't be taken so bloody seriously.


Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: December 09 2011 at 22:29
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

We'll get more trustworthy collabs and genre specialists in the electronic team when they appear, sure.


Is the current gatekeeper of Prog Electronic helping to recruit new members, or are you seriously just waiting for them to "appear?"

To me, this is a serious situation.  No genre team should consist of one man.  Aube is Prog Electronic but Vangelis and Jean Michel Jarre are not?


We are very proactive about the collaborator ranks and teams, surely you must have noticed this.

As for prog electronic discussions, there has to be other better place for them (instead of Vomps' suggestion thread) so they don't get lost and gather more useful opinions from users.


Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: December 09 2011 at 22:31
Originally posted by SaltyJon SaltyJon wrote:

Rob, remember that it's not just Prog Electronic, but also Krautrock (for all realistic intents and purposes, I do not consider Oliverstoned to be a member of that team anymore since I can't recall seeing much, if any input from him since I became a collab) and the micro-genre of Indo/Raga.  Might as well address all three of Philippe's "teams" while we're at it, as I've mentioned several times to others in PMs. 


If this is the case, then I am even more concerned. Why has one fellow been permitted to run three sub genres?


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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: December 09 2011 at 22:36
Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

We'll get more trustworthy collabs and genre specialists in the electronic team when they appear, sure.


Is the current gatekeeper of Prog Electronic helping to recruit new members, or are you seriously just waiting for them to "appear?"

To me, this is a serious situation.  No genre team should consist of one man.  Aube is Prog Electronic but Vangelis and Jean Michel Jarre are not?


We are very proactive about the collaborator ranks and teams, surely you must have noticed this.

As for prog electronic discussions, there has to be other better place for them (instead of Vomps' suggestion thread) so they don't get lost and gather more useful opinions from users.


I noticed proactiveness when it came to Eclectic Prog which had 3 members, not Prog Electronic when it has one.  There should be zero additions if a team has one member.  A quorum must be established.

I'm not trying to discuss other potential Prog Electronic bands here- I'm merely expressing my disapproval that one man runs a sub genre (or three), and I quite disagree with his judgment.



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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: December 09 2011 at 22:44
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

We'll get more trustworthy collabs and genre specialists in the electronic team when they appear, sure.


Is the current gatekeeper of Prog Electronic helping to recruit new members, or are you seriously just waiting for them to "appear?"

To me, this is a serious situation.  No genre team should consist of one man.  Aube is Prog Electronic but Vangelis and Jean Michel Jarre are not?


We are very proactive about the collaborator ranks and teams, surely you must have noticed this.

As for prog electronic discussions, there has to be other better place for them (instead of Vomps' suggestion thread) so they don't get lost and gather more useful opinions from users.


I noticed proactiveness when it came to Eclectic Prog which had 3 members, not Prog Electronic when it has one.  There should be zero additions if a team has one member.  A quorum must be established.

I'm not trying to discuss other potential Prog Electronic bands here- I'm merely expressing my disapproval that one man runs a sub genre (or three), and I quite disagree with his judgment.



I didn't say you could have noticed our proactiveness about the Prog Electronic team, because wasn't going to be noticeable by people unrelated to it. It was about noticing the proactiveness in general.
Like I just said above, "We'll get more trustworthy collabs and genre specialists in the electronic team when they appear, sure."


Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: December 09 2011 at 22:46
Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

We'll get more trustworthy collabs and genre specialists in the electronic team when they appear, sure.


Is the current gatekeeper of Prog Electronic helping to recruit new members, or are you seriously just waiting for them to "appear?"

To me, this is a serious situation.  No genre team should consist of one man.  Aube is Prog Electronic but Vangelis and Jean Michel Jarre are not?


We are very proactive about the collaborator ranks and teams, surely you must have noticed this.

As for prog electronic discussions, there has to be other better place for them (instead of Vomps' suggestion thread) so they don't get lost and gather more useful opinions from users.


I noticed proactiveness when it came to Eclectic Prog which had 3 members, not Prog Electronic when it has one.  There should be zero additions if a team has one member.  A quorum must be established.

I'm not trying to discuss other potential Prog Electronic bands here- I'm merely expressing my disapproval that one man runs a sub genre (or three), and I quite disagree with his judgment.



I didn't say you could have noticed our proactiveness about the Prog Electronic team, because wasn't going to be noticeable by people unrelated to it. It was about noticing the proactiveness in general.
Like I just said above, "We'll get more trustworthy collabs and genre specialists in the electronic team when they appear, sure."


That's fine.  But there should not be any additions to Prog Electronic (or any one-man genres) until more collaborators are added.  Do you agree?


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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: December 09 2011 at 22:46
Originally posted by Conor Fynes Conor Fynes wrote:

I've personally never understood why some collaborators would prefer to exclude an artist, rather than include them. I love the site, but it shouldn't be taken so bloody seriously.


I don't believe any Collabs "prefer to exclude" artists, we follow the sites rules and we give our opinions (votes) based on how the music relates to the sub definitions.  I've never understood why so many people have trouble understanding that. 


Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: December 09 2011 at 22:50
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

We'll get more trustworthy collabs and genre specialists in the electronic team when they appear, sure.


Is the current gatekeeper of Prog Electronic helping to recruit new members, or are you seriously just waiting for them to "appear?"

To me, this is a serious situation.  No genre team should consist of one man.  Aube is Prog Electronic but Vangelis and Jean Michel Jarre are not?


We are very proactive about the collaborator ranks and teams, surely you must have noticed this.

As for prog electronic discussions, there has to be other better place for them (instead of Vomps' suggestion thread) so they don't get lost and gather more useful opinions from users.


I noticed proactiveness when it came to Eclectic Prog which had 3 members, not Prog Electronic when it has one.  There should be zero additions if a team has one member.  A quorum must be established.

I'm not trying to discuss other potential Prog Electronic bands here- I'm merely expressing my disapproval that one man runs a sub genre (or three), and I quite disagree with his judgment.



I didn't say you could have noticed our proactiveness about the Prog Electronic team, because wasn't going to be noticeable by people unrelated to it. It was about noticing the proactiveness in general.
Like I just said above, "We'll get more trustworthy collabs and genre specialists in the electronic team when they appear, sure."


That's fine.  But there should not be any additions to Prog Electronic (or any one-man genres) until more are added.  Do you agree?


No. The process of developing the electronic team will take time. Not much, I would hope, but I can't guarantee anything.


Posted By: Anthony H.
Date Posted: December 09 2011 at 22:53
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by Anthony H. Anthony H. wrote:

Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Originally posted by Anthony H. Anthony H. wrote:

Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Originally posted by Anthony H. Anthony H. wrote:

Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Originally posted by Anthony H. Anthony H. wrote:

Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Because of the signed/unsigned/free releases thing. 


What absolute bollocks. That's an absurd policy in the year 2011.


What exactly is absurd?


Record labels are a defunct idea by this point. Free self-releases are becoming more and more ubiquitous, and it's nonsensical to reject this music (which CLEARLY fits into the site) on the basis of how it's released.


Eh? We've made it already possible for free releases to get in, it's been almost a year now.


Then why doesn't Vomps qualify? (I'm actually asking; maybe there's something I don't know about the policy.)


The free releases policy was made to adjust the PA submission process to help pro bands and dedicated musicians that happen to release their music for free go through, while discerning them from bedroom projects or people creating music on a computer for fun, which PA is not about. Not that this should read that we consider bedroom projects and the likes as bad things, it's just where we chose to set the bar (we can't host all music created).


But if the music fits, why not? By those standards, professionalism (regardless if it's free or not) is an important standard for inclusion. So, does this mean that we take Simon Railton off?

My point is: it's inconsistent. If music fits on the site under a certain genre, then it should be included.


Huh?  I was the final vote for Simon Railton.  He is on the Musea label, which ultimately swayed my decision.

That said, I tend to be more liberal about free-releases.  Music is music is music is music.


No, he should certainly stay. I'm just saying that under these supposed guidelines (which I disagree with), he should be removed. I was just using him as an example to criticize the guidelines.


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Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: December 09 2011 at 22:54
@Alex: Whether or not it'll take time, I think that Rob's suggestion of halting additions to the "team" until the "team" becomes a team is a good one. No genre should be ruled solely by one person's opinions.  If the admin team is adamantly against shutting down the genre until there's a real team in place, then may I suggest that you act as temporary team members until a proper team is formed?

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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: December 09 2011 at 22:55
Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

We'll get more trustworthy collabs and genre specialists in the electronic team when they appear, sure.


Is the current gatekeeper of Prog Electronic helping to recruit new members, or are you seriously just waiting for them to "appear?"

To me, this is a serious situation.  No genre team should consist of one man.  Aube is Prog Electronic but Vangelis and Jean Michel Jarre are not?


We are very proactive about the collaborator ranks and teams, surely you must have noticed this.

As for prog electronic discussions, there has to be other better place for them (instead of Vomps' suggestion thread) so they don't get lost and gather more useful opinions from users.


I noticed proactiveness when it came to Eclectic Prog which had 3 members, not Prog Electronic when it has one.  There should be zero additions if a team has one member.  A quorum must be established.

I'm not trying to discuss other potential Prog Electronic bands here- I'm merely expressing my disapproval that one man runs a sub genre (or three), and I quite disagree with his judgment.



I didn't say you could have noticed our proactiveness about the Prog Electronic team, because wasn't going to be noticeable by people unrelated to it. It was about noticing the proactiveness in general.
Like I just said above, "We'll get more trustworthy collabs and genre specialists in the electronic team when they appear, sure."


That's fine.  But there should not be any additions to Prog Electronic (or any one-man genres) until more are added.  Do you agree?


No. The process of developing the electronic team will take time. Not much, I would hope, but I can't guarantee anything.


I'm moving my comment to the CZ, Alex.


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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: December 09 2011 at 22:57
I'm going to bed, it's morning. :P


Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: December 10 2011 at 04:10
Originally posted by Anthony H. Anthony H. wrote:


Record labels are a defunct idea by this point. Free self-releases are becoming more and more ubiquitous, and it's nonsensical to reject this music (which CLEARLY fits into the site) on the basis of how it's released.

Clap


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Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: December 10 2011 at 05:35
Awesome discussion - so what has become of this then? A verdict?
my thoughts
To include an artist should require a minimum of three votes - As we do on the Symphonic Team, we have to come to a mutual agreement whether a band is added or not or it is passed on. It works well as a system because team members can be accountable and take our opinions into considerations while we vote. Some are obvious, others we need to collaborate more. The point is it works. I would hate to think an artist is not added because one man decided it was not and his vote was all that mattered being the only one on the team. It does not seem fair to the artist.

A case in point - Merzbow has not been added to the PA but Aube has - what's the difference - they are both noise artists. Is one noisier than the other? Who decided that?


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Posted By: tupan
Date Posted: December 10 2011 at 07:06
Originally posted by irrelevant irrelevant wrote:

Originally posted by Anthony H. Anthony H. wrote:


Record labels are a defunct idea by this point. Free self-releases are becoming more and more ubiquitous, and it's nonsensical to reject this music (which CLEARLY fits into the site) on the basis of how it's released.

Clap


Thumbs Up

Back to topic
Ok, but about Vompatti? Will add or not?





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Posted By: The Neck Romancer
Date Posted: December 10 2011 at 08:39

That's up to Philippe :/


But well, the point of the discussion was originally the inclusion of self-releasing artists. Why are some allowed to enter and others aren't, even though the admin team says they're unsigned acts and therefore inegilible.


And I know a member that probably knows more about prog electronic than our friend Ricochet.



Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: December 10 2011 at 08:58
Originally posted by Polo Polo wrote:

But well, the point of the discussion was originally the inclusion of self-releasing artists. Why are some allowed to enter and others aren't, even though the admin team says they're unsigned acts and therefore inegilible.



It's up to the individual genre teams.  Bands that are not signed to a record label are not automatically ineligible for inclusion.


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Posted By: colorofmoney91
Date Posted: December 10 2011 at 09:20
Originally posted by AtomicCrimsonRush AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:

 

A case in point - Merzbow has not been added to the PA but Aube has - what's the difference - they are both noise artists. Is one noisier than the other? Who decided that?

Merzbow, in my opinion, has more prog value than Aube. Not only did Merzbow's career start much earlier (IIRC), but more of Merzbow's compositions have longer time lengths for the compositions to progress throughout multiple feels, and many of his albums are conceptual. I think both Merzbow and Aube deserve a place here, but Merzbow is the more deserving of a progressive title. They're both more progressive than most of the noise I have. I'm not here to disagree with Philippe's decisions though.


Also, adding the Merzbow discography to this site would be a biiiiiiiiitch and it would only result in bad reviews galore.


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Posted By: The Neck Romancer
Date Posted: December 10 2011 at 09:46
It'd be just like Senmuth's discography only without any ratings over 2 stars.


Posted By: infocat
Date Posted: December 10 2011 at 10:34
What is the definition of a "self-release", anyway?  All of Anekdoten's albums have been released on their own personal label, Virta. Is that self-release?  If not, why not?  Same with echolyn, I believe, except for as the world. And I'm sure there are many more.


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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: December 10 2011 at 13:12
Originally posted by Polo Polo wrote:

I remember a post by Dean (I think) in which he condemned label-less artists as apparently if you're not on a label your music must not be good enough.


I'm too lazy to look for it and yep, I may have synthetised his opinion in a blunt, perhaps distorted way, but looks like the admin team or at least him are against unsigned acts.

Bollocks. Real ones (not yours). If you're too Censoreding lazy to look something up then don't misrepresent what you think I Censoreding said - that's not being lazy, that's being Censoreding ignorant. Congratulations you have now joined a very elite group of individuals on this forum who have managed to make me Censoreding angry. Angry
 
If that is all you managed to take away from the thousands of words I have written on the subject of unsigned bands, self-release and free-downloads then I clearly have been wasting my bloody time.
 
For your information I was the prime mover behind adopting the free-release policy within the PA that allows Genre Teams to decide for themselves whether they allow "unsigned" bands into their subgenres if they self-release albums by free-issue downloads only.
 
 


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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: December 10 2011 at 13:29
Originally posted by infocat infocat wrote:

What is the definition of a "self-release", anyway?  All of Anekdoten's albums have been released on their own personal label, Virta. Is that self-release?  If not, why not?  Same with echolyn, I believe, except for as the world. And I'm sure there are many more.
The PA has never blocked self-release albums - we treat self-released as "signed" if an album is available for purchase, therefore the band is automatically eligible for evaluation by a genre team. This is NOT the same as artiusts whose output is solely free-releases or free-downloads.
 
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73146&PID=3942753#3942753" rel="nofollow - Band Admission Policy .
 
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73146&PID=3942759#3942759" rel="nofollow - Free Release Policy
 


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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: December 10 2011 at 13:56
Originally posted by Anthony H. Anthony H. wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by Anthony H. Anthony H. wrote:

Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Originally posted by Anthony H. Anthony H. wrote:

Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Originally posted by Anthony H. Anthony H. wrote:

Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Originally posted by Anthony H. Anthony H. wrote:

Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Because of the signed/unsigned/free releases thing. 


What absolute bollocks. That's an absurd policy in the year 2011.


What exactly is absurd?


Record labels are a defunct idea by this point. Free self-releases are becoming more and more ubiquitous, and it's nonsensical to reject this music (which CLEARLY fits into the site) on the basis of how it's released.


Eh? We've made it already possible for free releases to get in, it's been almost a year now.


Then why doesn't Vomps qualify? (I'm actually asking; maybe there's something I don't know about the policy.)


The free releases policy was made to adjust the PA submission process to help pro bands and dedicated musicians that happen to release their music for free go through, while discerning them from bedroom projects or people creating music on a computer for fun, which PA is not about. Not that this should read that we consider bedroom projects and the likes as bad things, it's just where we chose to set the bar (we can't host all music created).


But if the music fits, why not? By those standards, professionalism (regardless if it's free or not) is an important standard for inclusion. So, does this mean that we take Simon Railton off?

My point is: it's inconsistent. If music fits on the site under a certain genre, then it should be included.


Huh?  I was the final vote for Simon Railton.  He is on the Musea label, which ultimately swayed my decision.

That said, I tend to be more liberal about free-releases.  Music is music is music is music.


No, he should certainly stay. I'm just saying that under these supposed guidelines (which I disagree with), he should be removed. I was just using him as an example to criticize the guidelines.
Rob has said Railton is on the Musea label. His album is currently being http://www.musearecords.com/ext_re_new_catselect.php?np=35639" rel="nofollow - sold for 9.90€. He's automatically eligible for evaluation by any team and has nothing to do with any guidlelines.
 
 
ffs, the degree of missinformation flying around this thread is bloody embarassing. Learn how the site works or stfu.


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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: December 10 2011 at 14:02
Sorry Vomps. This nonsense has nothing to do with you. Personally, I love your music and always have done.
 
 
 
For anyone likes Vomps' music, another member here who has created some wonderful music is Aaron Jennings (Man OverBoard) http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=45902" rel="nofollow - www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=45902 .


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Posted By: The Neck Romancer
Date Posted: December 10 2011 at 14:09
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Polo Polo wrote:

I remember a post by Dean (I think) in which he condemned label-less artists as apparently if you're not on a label your music must not be good enough.


I'm too lazy to look for it and yep, I may have synthetised his opinion in a blunt, perhaps distorted way, but looks like the admin team or at least him are against unsigned acts.

Bollocks. Real ones (not yours). If you're too Censoreding lazy to look something up then don't misrepresent what you think I Censoreding said - that's not being lazy, that's being Censoreding ignorant. Congratulations you have now joined a very elite group of individuals on this forum who have managed to make me Censoreding angry. Angry
 
If that is all you managed to take away from the thousands of words I have written on the subject of unsigned bands, self-release and free-downloads then I clearly have been wasting my bloody time.
 
For your information I was the prime mover behind adopting the free-release policy within the PA that allows Genre Teams to decide for themselves whether they allow "unsigned" bands into their subgenres if they self-release albums by free-issue downloads only.

Hey, calm down.


My lack of access to the Collab Zone and collab discussions on this thread's subject, combined with the little time I spent on the prog music lounges surely make me no worthy of making assumptions.


I'm sorry if my post didn't have enough warnings about my possible misinterpretation of the post I was mentioning, and I'm really sorry for understanding your point the wrong way. Do you remember which thread I was talking about? I don't think your post on it is older than 3 months.



Posted By: The Neck Romancer
Date Posted: December 10 2011 at 14:11
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by infocat infocat wrote:

What is the definition of a "self-release", anyway?  All of Anekdoten's albums have been released on their own personal label, Virta. Is that self-release?  If not, why not?  Same with echolyn, I believe, except for as the world. And I'm sure there are many more.
The PA has never blocked self-release albums - we treat self-released as "signed" if an album is available for purchase, therefore the band is automatically eligible for evaluation by a genre team. This is NOT the same as artiusts whose output is solely free-releases or free-downloads.
 
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73146&PID=3942753#3942753" rel="nofollow - Band Admission Policy .
 
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73146&PID=3942759#3942759" rel="nofollow - Free Release Policy
 


Then how do you deal with an artist who releases his music as name-your-price downloads?



Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: December 10 2011 at 14:16
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Sorry Vomps. This nonsense has nothing to do with you. Personally, I love your music and always have done.
 
 
 
For anyone likes Vomps' music, another member here who has created some wonderful music is Aaron Jennings (Man OverBoard) http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=45902" rel="nofollow - www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=45902 .
omg k

I don't mind k

Also the policies I browsed through seem fairly reasonable to me.


Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: December 10 2011 at 14:24
4 pages for the inclusion of Vomps? My, isn't he becoming the Most Important Wombat in History? 


Posted By: toroddfuglesteg
Date Posted: December 10 2011 at 14:34
Originally posted by Polo Polo wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by infocat infocat wrote:

What is the definition of a "self-release", anyway?  All of Anekdoten's albums have been released on their own personal label, Virta. Is that self-release?  If not, why not?  Same with echolyn, I believe, except for as the world. And I'm sure there are many more.
The PA has never blocked self-release albums - we treat self-released as "signed" if an album is available for purchase, therefore the band is automatically eligible for evaluation by a genre team. This is NOT the same as artiusts whose output is solely free-releases or free-downloads.
 
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73146&PID=3942753#3942753" rel="nofollow - Band Admission Policy .
 
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73146&PID=3942759#3942759" rel="nofollow - Free Release Policy
 



Then how do you deal with an artist who releases his music as name-your-price downloads ?

As a submissable band as long as the other criterias is there. You can choose to pay money too if you want. Surprisingly many does actually do that. 



Posted By: The Neck Romancer
Date Posted: December 10 2011 at 14:38
Originally posted by toroddfuglesteg toroddfuglesteg wrote:

Originally posted by Polo Polo wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by infocat infocat wrote:

What is the definition of a "self-release", anyway?  All of Anekdoten's albums have been released on their own personal label, Virta. Is that self-release?  If not, why not?  Same with echolyn, I believe, except for as the world. And I'm sure there are many more.
The PA has never blocked self-release albums - we treat self-released as "signed" if an album is available for purchase, therefore the band is automatically eligible for evaluation by a genre team. This is NOT the same as artiusts whose output is solely free-releases or free-downloads.
 
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73146&PID=3942753#3942753" rel="nofollow - Band Admission Policy .
 
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73146&PID=3942759#3942759" rel="nofollow - Free Release Policy
 



Then how do you deal with an artist who releases his music as name-your-price downloads ?

As a submissable band as long as the other criterias is there. You can choose to pay money too if you want. Surprisingly many does actually do that. 

Weird. As vomps was rejected

 

Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Because of the signed/unsigned/free releases thing
 

A reevaluation should be necessary, right?





Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: December 10 2011 at 14:49
Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:

4 pages for the inclusion of Vomps? My, isn't he becoming the Most Important Wombat in History? 
 
Just 4 pages. You apparently forgot http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=66298" rel="nofollow - this thread in which you have posted yourself, even at page 1. The chief recurrent topic in this 76-page thread is wombats.
 
Lamp But I have a suggestion: maybe it is time for PA to start its own label and sign some members who make music (Vompatti, Dean, Man Overboard - my apologies to ye guys for not having listened to your music yet) so that they can be included in PA in their proper categories. In the meantime I might think of putting some of my songs online that I wrote in the 80's - supposed that I want to be suggested for Prog Folk WinkTongue.


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Posted By: toroddfuglesteg
Date Posted: December 10 2011 at 15:10
Originally posted by Polo Polo wrote:

Originally posted by toroddfuglesteg toroddfuglesteg wrote:

Originally posted by Polo Polo wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by infocat infocat wrote:

What is the definition of a "self-release", anyway?  All of Anekdoten's albums have been released on their own personal label, Virta. Is that self-release?  If not, why not?  Same with echolyn, I believe, except for as the world. And I'm sure there are many more.
The PA has never blocked self-release albums - we treat self-released as "signed" if an album is available for purchase, therefore the band is automatically eligible for evaluation by a genre team. This is NOT the same as artiusts whose output is solely free-releases or free-downloads.
 
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73146&PID=3942753#3942753" rel="nofollow - Band Admission Policy .
 
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=73146&PID=3942759#3942759" rel="nofollow - Free Release Policy
 



Then how do you deal with an artist who releases his music as name-your-price downloads ?

As a submissable band as long as the other criterias is there. You can choose to pay money too if you want. Surprisingly many does actually do that. 

Weird. As vomps was rejected

He sent us a case of Napoleon VSUP instead of a case of Napoleon VSOP. Geek

Sorry, I don't know why. It is Saturday night.  


  



Posted By: philippe
Date Posted: December 10 2011 at 15:31
Originally posted by colorofmoney91 colorofmoney91 wrote:

Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

^ The most recent (or one of) artist he personally added, http://thepresentmoment.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - The Present Moment , is also not signed and with its albums up on Bandcamp, for which you can name your price. And that band still makes little to no sense why it's been added.

I still do not understand the prog value of this.


your declaration is pure no sense. Arguments please....

First of all they are officialy signed. Secondly I was asked to add them by their label which is obviously electronic orientated and largely devoted to "minimal-synth" (you should go back to some classics related to the genesis and history of the genre before to advance things)....but well I will delete the add...I don't care at all finally.

About Vompatti : I've already explained my views. I won't go back on my decision, whatever the pressure


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Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: December 10 2011 at 15:39
^You might also want to recognize the last few pages have had nothing to do with Vompatti. LOL

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Posted By: The Neck Romancer
Date Posted: December 10 2011 at 15:40
Originally posted by philippe philippe wrote:

Originally posted by colorofmoney91 colorofmoney91 wrote:

Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

^ The most recent (or one of) artist he personally added, http://thepresentmoment.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - The Present Moment , is also not signed and with its albums up on Bandcamp, for which you can name your price. And that band still makes little to no sense why it's been added.

I still do not understand the prog value of this.


your declaration is pure no sense. Arguments please....

First of all they are officialy signed. Secondly I was asked to add them by their label which is obviously electronic orientated and largely devoted to "minimal-synth" (you should go back to some classics related to the genesis and history of the genre before to advance things)....but well I will delete the add...I don't care at all finally.

About Vompatti : I've already explained my views. I won't go back on my decision, whatever the pressure

Well that's one fine example of team work.



And where did you explain your views? In the collab zone?



Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: December 10 2011 at 15:42
My bad on Present Moment not being signed, I somehow failed to spot that information.

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Posted By: philippe
Date Posted: December 10 2011 at 15:45
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

I don't understand the weeping and gnashing of teeth: Any collaborator can see the Band Admission Policy and the Signed/Unsigned Policy in the CZ that was posted a year ago.

From what I can tell, it's essentially up to P
hilippe to decide what artists go into Prog Electronic and what artists don't.  Why there is only one person on a genre team is beyond me.  Ermm


this statement is beyond me.

I've been working on this subgenre since 2004 and the opening of the website. I don't play in solo but I will nominate one collaborator if needed. About the musical directions, they are well estabished in the subgenre definition. I've recently noticed that a handful of new reviewers want to subvert things


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Posted By: philippe
Date Posted: December 10 2011 at 15:50
Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

My bad on Present Moment not being signed, I somehow failed to spot that information.


They are signed on Mannequin.


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Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: December 10 2011 at 15:51
Originally posted by philippe philippe wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

I don't understand the weeping and gnashing of teeth: Any collaborator can see the Band Admission Policy and the Signed/Unsigned Policy in the CZ that was posted a year ago.

From what I can tell, it's essentially up to P
hilippe to decide what artists go into Prog Electronic and what artists don't.  Why there is only one person on a genre team is beyond me.  Ermm


this statement is beyond me.

I've been working on this subgenre since 2004 and the opening of the website. I don't play in solo but I will nominate one collaborator if needed. About the musical directions, they are well estabished in the subgenre definition. I've recently noticed that a handful of new reviewers want to subvert things

I don't think anyone is trying to subvert the team, I think Rob is just saying that perhaps a two- or three-member team would be better for the "democratic" nature of which a team (in my opinion, at least) should run. Not saying that you're not doing a bad job at all, just that, for example, perhaps a rejected band would be more easily defended if one were to say the "team" rejected it, rather than that one person rejected it.
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Posted By: toroddfuglesteg
Date Posted: December 10 2011 at 15:55

Originally posted by Andyman1125 Andyman1125 wrote:

^You might also want to recognize the last few pages have had nothing to do with Vompatti. LOL

They are all down to Post Christmas Shopping Traumatic Disorder. A type of disorder that hits all men very hard at this time of the year. I was in a shopping mall earlier today and needed extensive loving care after that experience. Not at least from seeing money leaving my pocket and being collected in shopping tills. Very traumatic.  



Posted By: philippe
Date Posted: December 10 2011 at 15:56
Originally posted by Polo Polo wrote:

Originally posted by philippe philippe wrote:

Originally posted by colorofmoney91 colorofmoney91 wrote:

Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

^ The most recent (or one of) artist he personally added, http://thepresentmoment.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - The Present Moment , is also not signed and with its albums up on Bandcamp, for which you can name your price. And that band still makes little to no sense why it's been added.

I still do not understand the prog value of this.


your declaration is pure no sense. Arguments please....

First of all they are officialy signed. Secondly I was asked to add them by their label which is obviously electronic orientated and largely devoted to "minimal-synth" (you should go back to some classics related to the genesis and history of the genre before to advance things)....but well I will delete the add...I don't care at all finally.

About Vompatti : I've already explained my views. I won't go back on my decision, whatever the pressure

Well that's one fine example of team work.



And where did you explain your views? In the collab zone?



I usually take the time for each evaluation, I generally give a positive vote based on the suggestions.  I refuse that project Vompatti based on substantial arguments....yes, the collab zone, this is the right place for it.




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Posted By: philippe
Date Posted: December 10 2011 at 16:01
Originally posted by Andyman1125 Andyman1125 wrote:

Originally posted by philippe philippe wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

I don't understand the weeping and gnashing of teeth: Any collaborator can see the Band Admission Policy and the Signed/Unsigned Policy in the CZ that was posted a year ago.

From what I can tell, it's essentially up to P
hilippe to decide what artists go into Prog Electronic and what artists don't.  Why there is only one person on a genre team is beyond me.  Ermm


this statement is beyond me.

I've been working on this subgenre since 2004 and the opening of the website. I don't play in solo but I will nominate one collaborator if needed. About the musical directions, they are well estabished in the subgenre definition. I've recently noticed that a handful of new reviewers want to subvert things

I don't think anyone is trying to subvert the team, I think Rob is just saying that perhaps a two- or three-member team would be better for the "democratic" nature of which a team (in my opinion, at least) should run. Not saying that you're not doing a bad job at all, just that, for example, perhaps a rejected band would be more easily defended if one were to say the "team" rejected it, rather than that one person rejected it.
My two cents.


that sounds correct. Anyway I won't create a huge team only to give an evaluation on this Vompatti issue you know....

Ricochet was part of the team time before. He left the team based on a voluntary basis...we did a great work and frankly I don't have an attitude which is to refuse any contribution....At this moment I just don't see who can be part of the team based on solid knowledges regarding this genre. I will try to think about it, maybe one or two collaborators names can rise.

Moreover I've noticed that one or two teams include several members with only one of them who is seriously active...


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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: December 10 2011 at 16:03
Originally posted by Polo Polo wrote:

Hey, calm down.

No.
Originally posted by Polo Polo wrote:

My lack of access to the Collab Zone and collab discussions on this thread's subject, combined with the little time I spent on the prog music lounges surely make me no worthy of making assumptions.

Access to the CZ has nothing to do with it. I've an eleven page Censoreding Blog on the subject that you are free to ignore without having to go anywhere near the CZ.
Originally posted by Polo Polo wrote:

I'm sorry if my post didn't have enough warnings about my possible misinterpretation of the post I was mentioning, and I'm really sorry for understanding your point the wrong way. Do you remember which thread I was talking about? I don't think your post on it is older than 3 months.

If you mention me by name and then state that "least him are against unsigned acts." then I'm fully justified in ripping you a new a-hole regardless of any warnings about possible misinterpretation.
 
Tell you what Marco - you find this post of mine you are referring to and then we'll continue this conversation, because if you were too lazy to find it last night and apparently you're still too lazy to find it now, then I'm arsed if I'm going to find it for you. Okay?
 


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Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: December 10 2011 at 16:13
I think these questions should prob. be solved in a less open space Cool

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Posted By: The Neck Romancer
Date Posted: December 10 2011 at 16:17
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Tell you what Marco - you find this post of mine you are referring to and then we'll continue this conversation, because if you were too lazy to find it last night and apparently you're still too lazy to find it now, then I'm arsed if I'm going to find it for you. Okay?
 

That is fair enough. I actually tried searching for it a while after my post but this site's search engine isn't helping.




Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: December 10 2011 at 16:17
Originally posted by tamijo tamijo wrote:

I think these questions should prob. be solved in a less open space Cool


Good callSmile


Posted By: DamoXt7942
Date Posted: December 10 2011 at 21:48
Oh, come back home a while before and missed this express thread ... Unhappy

Anyway, we need to recruit some newer Collabs for "One Specialist"Teams, don't we?


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Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: December 10 2011 at 22:12
^I believe that is the discussion taking place in other places in the forum. Smile

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Posted By: DamoXt7942
Date Posted: December 10 2011 at 22:21
Originally posted by Andyman1125 Andyman1125 wrote:

^I believe that is the discussion taking place in other places in the forum. Smile
And in Admin Zone. Tongue


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Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: December 10 2011 at 22:25
Originally posted by DamoXt7942 DamoXt7942 wrote:

Originally posted by Andyman1125 Andyman1125 wrote:

^I believe that is the discussion taking place in other places in the forum. Smile
And in Admin Zone. Tongue

We can only imagine what truly is discussed in the AZ. LOL


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Posted By: colorofmoney91
Date Posted: December 10 2011 at 22:43
Let's get this thread back on it's feet.


Andy, I hate your methods. Now you yell at me.


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Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: December 10 2011 at 22:44
I TRY TO KEEP MY METHOD A LOGICAL AND DEMOCRATIC AND I DON'T APPRECIATE SOME VAGRANT COMING IN AND ACCUSING ME OF NOT BEING EFFECTIVE AT MY JOB.


Good enough? Tongue


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Posted By: colorofmoney91
Date Posted: December 10 2011 at 22:46
Originally posted by Andyman1125 Andyman1125 wrote:

I TRY TO KEEP MY METHOD A LOGICAL AND DEMOCRATIC AND I DON'T APPRECIATE SOME VAGRANT COMING IN AND ACCUSING ME OF NOT BEING EFFECTIVE AT MY JOB.



That's what she said.

Yeah, I'm satisfied :)


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Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: December 10 2011 at 22:48
Originally posted by colorofmoney91 colorofmoney91 wrote:

Originally posted by Andyman1125 Andyman1125 wrote:

I TRY TO KEEP MY METHOD A LOGICAL AND DEMOCRATIC AND I DON'T APPRECIATE SOME VAGRANT COMING IN AND ACCUSING ME OF NOT BEING EFFECTIVE AT MY JOB.



That's what she said.


This is quite a stretch, if I'd say so myself. LOL


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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: December 11 2011 at 02:56
Originally posted by Polo Polo wrote:

Then how do you deal with an artist who releases his music as name-your-price downloads?
However the Genre team wants to be frank, this isn't that much of an autocracy and isn't that much of a democracy either and we don't account for every eventuality and possibility. Personally, I would treat them as free-download.


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Posted By: tupan
Date Posted: December 11 2011 at 07:14
Originally posted by philippe philippe wrote:

Originally posted by Andyman1125 Andyman1125 wrote:

Originally posted by philippe philippe wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

I don't understand the weeping and gnashing of teeth: Any collaborator can see the Band Admission Policy and the Signed/Unsigned Policy in the CZ that was posted a year ago.

From what I can tell, it's essentially up to P
hilippe to decide what artists go into Prog Electronic and what artists don't.  Why there is only one person on a genre team is beyond me.  Ermm


this statement is beyond me.

I've been working on this subgenre since 2004 and the opening of the website. I don't play in solo but I will nominate one collaborator if needed. About the musical directions, they are well estabished in the subgenre definition. I've recently noticed that a handful of new reviewers want to subvert things

I don't think anyone is trying to subvert the team, I think Rob is just saying that perhaps a two- or three-member team would be better for the "democratic" nature of which a team (in my opinion, at least) should run. Not saying that you're not doing a bad job at all, just that, for example, perhaps a rejected band would be more easily defended if one were to say the "team" rejected it, rather than that one person rejected it.
My two cents.


that sounds correct. Anyway I won't create a huge team only to give an evaluation on this Vompatti issue you know....

Ricochet was part of the team time before. He left the team based on a voluntary basis...we did a great work and frankly I don't have an attitude which is to refuse any contribution....At this moment I just don't see who can be part of the team based on solid knowledges regarding this genre. I will try to think about it, maybe one or two collaborators names can rise.

Moreover I've noticed that one or two teams include several members with only one of them who is seriously active...


Why don't you invite Colorofmoney91 to the Team? He surely understand about Electronic Prog music, and have a blog about the topic here on PA.


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Posted By: philippe
Date Posted: December 11 2011 at 07:50
Originally posted by tupan tupan wrote:

Originally posted by philippe philippe wrote:

Originally posted by Andyman1125 Andyman1125 wrote:

Originally posted by philippe philippe wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

I don't understand the weeping and gnashing of teeth: Any collaborator can see the Band Admission Policy and the Signed/Unsigned Policy in the CZ that was posted a year ago.

From what I can tell, it's essentially up to P
hilippe to decide what artists go into Prog Electronic and what artists don't.  Why there is only one person on a genre team is beyond me.  Ermm


this statement is beyond me.

I've been working on this subgenre since 2004 and the opening of the website. I don't play in solo but I will nominate one collaborator if needed. About the musical directions, they are well estabished in the subgenre definition. I've recently noticed that a handful of new reviewers want to subvert things

I don't think anyone is trying to subvert the team, I think Rob is just saying that perhaps a two- or three-member team would be better for the "democratic" nature of which a team (in my opinion, at least) should run. Not saying that you're not doing a bad job at all, just that, for example, perhaps a rejected band would be more easily defended if one were to say the "team" rejected it, rather than that one person rejected it.
My two cents.


that sounds correct. Anyway I won't create a huge team only to give an evaluation on this Vompatti issue you know....

Ricochet was part of the team time before. He left the team based on a voluntary basis...we did a great work and frankly I don't have an attitude which is to refuse any contribution....At this moment I just don't see who can be part of the team based on solid knowledges regarding this genre. I will try to think about it, maybe one or two collaborators names can rise.

Moreover I've noticed that one or two teams include several members with only one of them who is seriously active...


Why don't you invite Colorofmoney91 to the Team? He surely understand about Electronic Prog music, and have a blog about the topic here on PA.


Well I've got a few names in mind, but I regret, he is not part of them.


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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: December 11 2011 at 10:25
That's unfortunate.




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