Post 70's Prog World Cup: Beardfish-The Mars Volta
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Topic: Post 70's Prog World Cup: Beardfish-The Mars Volta
Posted By: Morningrise
Subject: Post 70's Prog World Cup: Beardfish-The Mars Volta
Date Posted: October 12 2011 at 10:31
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Pick your favorite. Deadline for this poll: October 15th |
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: October 12 2011 at 10:33
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Both bands are somewhat quirky but I prefer the quirkiness of Beardfish over the quirkiness of The Mars Volta. ------------- 
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Posted By: Bosh66
Date Posted: October 12 2011 at 10:38
| Thought I'd balance them up - TMV for me! |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: October 12 2011 at 10:41
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Very easy, The Mars Volta.
------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005 
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: October 12 2011 at 10:43
Even more easy, The Mars Volta. |
sleeper wrote:Posted By: Anthony H.
Date Posted: October 12 2011 at 10:59
Unfathomably easy, The Mars Volta. -------------  |
Posted By: digdug
Date Posted: October 12 2011 at 11:27
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Beardfish for me I find TMV interesting but also annoying ------------- Prog On! |
Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: October 12 2011 at 11:28
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I'm not that big on Beardfish, but little could be worse than The Mars Volta. Except Sleepytime Gorilla Museum, maybe. ------------- A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life. |
Posted By: JS19
Date Posted: October 12 2011 at 11:35
| I knew this would be close. I also knew it shouldn't BE close. TMV for the tournament, easily. |
Posted By: topographicbroadways
Date Posted: October 12 2011 at 11:36
All of the above. -------------  
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Posted By: Roland113
Date Posted: October 12 2011 at 11:39
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This is like the third pairing in a row that I haven't been able to vote. I have both "Deloused on the Comatorium" and one of the "Sleeping in Traffic" CD's and neither inspired me to further explore the band. I know there are a lot of people on here that love each of these bands, but neither of them move me. ------------- -------someone please tell him to delete this line, he looks like a noob------- I don't have an unnatural obsession with Disney Princesses, I have a fourteen year old daughter and coping mechanisms. |
Posted By: GentleGiant
Date Posted: October 12 2011 at 11:41
Always with a prog band. 
------------- BeGiantForADay "This British band is just the cup of tea for aficionados who demand virtuosity,progress and originality in their mix." http://rateyourmusic.com/~GentleG |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: October 12 2011 at 11:42
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Beardfish, only because they're the under dogs. TMV have also been bothering me, both with the dissatisfaction of their last album, and that they're taking forever to come out with a new album.
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Posted By: Progfan1958
Date Posted: October 12 2011 at 11:48
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TMV it is ! ------------- Progfan1958 "Peace to you all" "La paix est avec vous" "Pax vobiscum" "Al salaam a'alaykum" "Vrede zij met u allen" "Shalom aleichem" |
Posted By: Anthony H.
Date Posted: October 12 2011 at 12:12
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If TMV loses, I'm going to defenestrate myself.
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: October 12 2011 at 12:14
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Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: October 12 2011 at 12:16
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That hole on our cosmic crimson neighbor. Or, The Mars Volta. ------------- http://ow.ly/8ymqg" rel="nofollow">  
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: October 12 2011 at 12:18
Never learned http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defenestrations_of_Prague" rel="nofollow - this in history class? |
Posted By: topographicbroadways
Date Posted: October 12 2011 at 12:20
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Didn't Beardfish beat TMV in a poll a few months back? So i'm prepared for the ridiculous outcome again. -------------
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: October 12 2011 at 12:24
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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: October 12 2011 at 12:45
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The Mars Volta. YOU ARE MY LAST HOPE ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: October 12 2011 at 12:45
 ------------- A Elbereth Gilthoniel silivren penna míriel o menel aglar elenath! Na-chaered palan-díriel o galadhremmin ennorath, Fanuilos, le linnathon nef aear, sí nef aearon! |
Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: October 12 2011 at 13:04
O hai, I see what you did there. I'll take the one that isn't prog, in that case. ------------- 
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Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: October 12 2011 at 13:16
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By the way, what actually means "Mars Volta"?
I know the planet Mars and the Italian scientist Volta naturally, but together it´s without sense for me. ------------- A Elbereth Gilthoniel silivren penna míriel o menel aglar elenath! Na-chaered palan-díriel o galadhremmin ennorath, Fanuilos, le linnathon nef aear, sí nef aearon! |
Posted By: The Willow Farmer
Date Posted: October 12 2011 at 13:17
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I'll vote for the band my avatar is a subtle refrence to. ------------- Recent Music Acquisitions: Johnny Marr-"The Messenger" Steven Wilson-"The Raven that Refused to Sing" Fish-"Sunsets on Empire" Riverside-"Shrine of New Generation Slaves" |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: October 12 2011 at 13:19
Cedric Bixler-Zavala stated in an interview:
(taken from wikipedia) |
Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: October 12 2011 at 13:22
------------- A Elbereth Gilthoniel silivren penna míriel o menel aglar elenath! Na-chaered palan-díriel o galadhremmin ennorath, Fanuilos, le linnathon nef aear, sí nef aearon! |
Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: October 12 2011 at 13:44
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Beardfish ------------- Follow me on twitter @memowakeman |
Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: October 12 2011 at 13:49
Huh, I always thought it was a moon crater.  ------------- http://ow.ly/8ymqg" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Lynx33
Date Posted: October 12 2011 at 13:57
Me too  . By the way Mars Volta means The Existence of Mars in Hungarian, but of course it takes no relevance here.------------- Mindez elmúlt. Ma már tudom köszönteni a szépséget. |
Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: October 12 2011 at 14:07
------------- A Elbereth Gilthoniel silivren penna míriel o menel aglar elenath! Na-chaered palan-díriel o galadhremmin ennorath, Fanuilos, le linnathon nef aear, sí nef aearon! |
Posted By: colorofmoney91
Date Posted: October 12 2011 at 14:09
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Mars Volta. No Competition. ------------- http://hanashukketsu.bandcamp.com" rel="nofollow - Hanashukketsu |
Posted By: Lynx33
Date Posted: October 12 2011 at 14:20
Thanks, but it's another pity that I have never really liked After Crying . My favourite Hungarian band on Progarchives is the jazz fusion band Mindflowers. Great music.www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=998 ------------- Mindez elmúlt. Ma már tudom köszönteni a szépséget. |
Posted By: adace1
Date Posted: October 12 2011 at 14:23
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From what I've heard of Beardfish, they're not bad. However, TMV sounds more fresh and exciting with the Latin influences and what not. Also, I don't think Beardfish has anything that can match De-Loused in the Comatorium.
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Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: October 12 2011 at 14:39
------------- A Elbereth Gilthoniel silivren penna míriel o menel aglar elenath! Na-chaered palan-díriel o galadhremmin ennorath, Fanuilos, le linnathon nef aear, sí nef aearon! |
Posted By: Earendil
Date Posted: October 12 2011 at 14:42
| Mars Volta good, Beardfish better |
Posted By: PabstRibbon
Date Posted: October 12 2011 at 15:51
| It can't be easier! Beardfish all the way, they are simply one of the best modern prog band |
Posted By: JS19
Date Posted: October 12 2011 at 15:59
But it is a competition. It really shouldn't be. The most innovative and consistent band in 20 years verses a good retro prog band. The Mars Volta should leave Beardfish in the dust. But no - once again, the PA hoards pile in in droves to vote, when they clearly don't listen to both bands, an important criteria if we're supposed to be judging between the two. Don't just vote for the band you've heard of. If you can only say you listen to one of the two bands, don't vote. You're the reason that this competition is already decided. |
Posted By: topographicbroadways
Date Posted: October 12 2011 at 16:01
True this will often of the time be the case. But mostly the amount of support for Symphonic/retro vs. Everything else makes it pre decided. -------------
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Posted By: LinusW
Date Posted: October 12 2011 at 16:03
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Don't care either way. Mars Volta has the fresher approach, but I'm not a fan of any of the bands. |
Posted By: Anthony H.
Date Posted: October 12 2011 at 16:11
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COME ONNNNNNNN
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Posted By: Atoms
Date Posted: October 12 2011 at 16:22
| Mars Volta, how can this even be in Beardfish's favor? |
Posted By: topographicbroadways
Date Posted: October 12 2011 at 16:25
Retro bands automatically go through. Never mind that one of the best bands of the decade is in it. Predictably ridiculous.
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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: October 12 2011 at 16:25
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I know 1 Mars Volta album and none of Beardfish, so no vote. ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: Anthony H.
Date Posted: October 12 2011 at 16:29
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I don't care about "retro" or anything like that. I very much like Beardfish. TMV, however, are one of the greatest bands of all time and are undoubtedly the best band to form in the last decade. ------------- |
Posted By: topographicbroadways
Date Posted: October 12 2011 at 16:34
I like the albums i've heard. I'm not saying they're bad because they're retro. I'm saying they're winning because they're retro.
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Posted By: Wanorak
Date Posted: October 12 2011 at 16:38
Beardfish for me; I love Sleeping in Traffic Part 2! AnthonyH it looks like you may have to defenestrate yourself  ------------- A GREAT YEAR FOR PROG!!! |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: October 12 2011 at 16:54
The problum with the more adventurous stuff like TMV and SGM is that by its nature its going to alienate as many people as it impresses, maybe even more, where as Symphonic/Retro/Neo is usually very safe and guaranteed to be inoffensive to most prog fans. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: October 12 2011 at 17:52
| Beardfish, because Cedric is possibly the worst modern prog vocalist there is |
Posted By: Fox On The Rocks
Date Posted: October 12 2011 at 18:05
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I say I like them both pretty equally but I went with Beardfish. ------------- 
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Posted By: Slaughternalia
Date Posted: October 12 2011 at 18:09
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Both bands only have one good album imo (both of which are phenomenal), De-loused and Sleeping in Traffic Pt. 2. I went with Beardfish though, cedric's vocals are often to much for me ------------- I'm so mad that you enjoy a certain combination of noises that I don't |
Posted By: Progmind
Date Posted: October 12 2011 at 18:23
| At the drive in!!! |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: October 12 2011 at 18:27
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Posted By: kawkaw123
Date Posted: October 12 2011 at 18:27
| TMV they are at least unique and new |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: October 12 2011 at 18:45
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Hmm...neither band is one I love. But TMV at least have their first two albums which are pretty excellent. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: The Neck Romancer
Date Posted: October 12 2011 at 19:01
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I only like TMV's debut, and the only Beardfish album enjoy is Sleeping in Traffic 2. But The Mars Volta are a forward thinking band, even though they based their sound on King Crimson a lot, and Beardfish is just Gentle Giant-influenced wannabe 70's hard rock. ------------- 
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Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: October 12 2011 at 19:06
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I like TMV's first album- I don't like ANY Beardfish. So...TMV I guess
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Posted By: PabstRibbon
Date Posted: October 12 2011 at 19:13
Come on! They are so much than just that, you just don't want to hear it. Their music is much more unique than just a ripoff
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: October 12 2011 at 19:28
But Beardfish are not a retro-prog band. If their latest album Mammoth is retro prog, then tell me where metal-ish riffs and growling show up in the 70s? Theyve also incorporated other modern elements as well. They also seem to take more Scandinavian influences than other "retro-prog" bands do. I accept that bands like the Flower Kings, Spock's Beard, Neal Morse, etc are retro, but Beardfish seem to be doing the opposite. I agree about The Mars Volta though... ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: The Neck Romancer
Date Posted: October 12 2011 at 19:39
Of course, I forgot to say they were influenced by Zappa and KC too, but they're not that unique. I frankly like them better than TMV but the latter is so wilder and fresher. -------------
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Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: October 12 2011 at 19:40
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Ooh, TMV are winning by one vote right now. Intense. ------------- http://ow.ly/8ymqg" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: JonteJH
Date Posted: October 12 2011 at 19:43
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Wow tied... Haha its a tied game for me too, voted Beardfish -------------  
http://www.lastfm.se/user/JonteJH http://soundcloud.com/jontejh |
Posted By: Anthony H.
Date Posted: October 12 2011 at 19:50
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Who has the tie-breaking advantage?
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: October 12 2011 at 20:24
| At a glance, it looks like TMV |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: October 12 2011 at 20:30
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Out of all "retro" bands, i can honestly say that i think they are the only band that still sounds fresh and exciting. Both Sleeping in Traffic albums and Destined Solitaire sound innovative and fun to me, their Gentle Giant influence is their but what's wrong with influences? Also, i agree about their accessibility. Unlike The Mars Volta, they don't have any aspects that can alienate the listener. So they will easily harvest more votes. Though i think The Mars Volta should win, i'm unsure about the results. Some honest criticism: Next time try to match bands with similar popularity and "oddness" (i'm lacking a better word..) Having bands like Sleeptime Gorilla Museum go against any "mainstream" prog act will have obvious results. So matches like.. SGM vs Art Zoyd, might be a bit better. ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: colorofmoney91
Date Posted: October 12 2011 at 20:39
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Holy crap it's tied. This is thrilling. ------------- http://hanashukketsu.bandcamp.com" rel="nofollow - Hanashukketsu |
Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: October 12 2011 at 20:40
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This is not quite but almost as exciting as SB vs. GY!BE (and for god's sake don't start complaining about the outcome of that poll). ------------- http://ow.ly/8ymqg" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Kazza3
Date Posted: October 12 2011 at 20:45
| God damn, two of my favourite bands. I won't vote when they're this close. |
Posted By: Lima96
Date Posted: October 12 2011 at 21:14
| Beardfish must win. BTW, I just broke the tie, and to be honest, I'm kinda drooling about Beardfish winning this tough match. I like TMV though, but I think they lost their 'magic' after Frances The Mute. Beardfish has only grown with time, their last 4 albums are personal favourites, with Destined Solitaire as the shiniest star. |
Posted By: Gandalfino
Date Posted: October 13 2011 at 04:01
Situation on battlefield is changing at any moment. 
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Posted By: Morningrise
Date Posted: October 13 2011 at 07:44
The Mars Volta |
Posted By: dreadpirateroberts
Date Posted: October 13 2011 at 07:47
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TMV
------------- We are men of action. Lies do not become us. http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/" rel="nofollow - JazzMusicArchives. |
Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Date Posted: October 13 2011 at 07:52
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Broke the tie in favour of TMV. |
Posted By: Warthur
Date Posted: October 13 2011 at 08:03
| Tied it again. TMV are one of those bands that I just don't get. |
Posted By: digdug
Date Posted: October 13 2011 at 08:42
dude.... more people on this site have heard TMV than Beardfish I doubt there are many votes from ppl who have heard Beardfish and not TMV Probably more votes from people who love TMV and have never heard Beardfish I respect TMV for being different but I don't like to listen to them just because you think they are better does not automatically make them better Beardfish is not a copycat band in any way and deserves respect as well ------------- Prog On! |
Posted By: Shevrzl
Date Posted: October 13 2011 at 10:38
| Beardfish to even the scores |
Posted By: Billy Pilgrim
Date Posted: October 13 2011 at 10:58
| It's tied? Really????? I sense that Volta might be a George Bush band, with people voting against them, rather than for Beardfish. anyway, Volta! The Mars Volta!! Why aren't they ahead by 20? |
Posted By: JS19
Date Posted: October 13 2011 at 11:31
Did I not say they were good? I have all their albums and listen to them regularly. And the only reason I am annoyed is the fact that this competition has already been decided. PT will win because, let's face it' more people have heard them. People vote for the band they've heard, even if they have never heard the other band. I also agree that many people hate TMV for being popular with a mainstream audience, so I suspect that people are voting against them for that very reason.
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Posted By: Link28
Date Posted: October 13 2011 at 12:00
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It's such a shame that one of these two bands has to lose that early...I hope Beardfish wins this...they may not be as innovative as TMV, but their music is a much greater pleasure to listen to in my opinion.
------------- "And in the end the love you take is equal to the love you make." (Lennon/McCartney) |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: October 13 2011 at 12:37
You don't need to put out full-blown copies to be a retro artist. |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: October 13 2011 at 15:02
I'm just saying their influences are not as blatantly obvious as some other artists seem to have a problem with (well, besides their Zappa influence) ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: October 13 2011 at 16:46
| ^ That I don't disagree with, but you were saying something different. ;) |
Posted By: DanthraX
Date Posted: October 13 2011 at 17:48
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My heart is torn apart between these two... Can't vote, but whomever pass to the next round will have my total devotion, is unfair one will leave the competition so soon ------------- I look up, I'm almost blinded by the warmth of what's inside me and the taste that's in my soul, but I'm dead inside as I stand alone... |
Posted By: Anthony H.
Date Posted: October 13 2011 at 18:44
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The poll moved in a disquieting direction...
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: October 13 2011 at 19:04
Maybe so, but I remember being tired when I typed up that first comment. I don't think TMV are not guilty of showing their influences either, it's just they take more risks so it's hard to tell sometimes. But even as much as I enjoy TMV, sometimes it's like "well, there'es the latin part" or "the funky part", or "here's the King Crimson scale-crazy section" etc... Anyway, I see Beardfish is finally taking the lead! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: Morningrise
Date Posted: October 14 2011 at 07:19
| Last day to vote. |
Posted By: colorofmoney91
Date Posted: October 14 2011 at 07:55
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Posted By: Anthony H.
Date Posted: October 14 2011 at 08:34
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: October 14 2011 at 08:56
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Just so you all can rest assure these games aren't decided by mere clickers, Mars Volta leads Beardfish roughly 20 to 17, in terms of votes expressed. -------------
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Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: October 14 2011 at 13:56
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I must confess, I voted for Beardfish largely to get the appalling The Mars Volta out - but the poll provoked me to have a real listen to Beardfish, and the more I hear, the more I like them. So it's now a very positive vote for Beardfish. ------------- A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life. |
Posted By: Roland113
Date Posted: October 14 2011 at 16:17
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I gave both a few listens over the past few days and both have grown on me. Beardfish more than The Mars Volta. ------------- -------someone please tell him to delete this line, he looks like a noob------- I don't have an unnatural obsession with Disney Princesses, I have a fourteen year old daughter and coping mechanisms. |
Posted By: colorofmoney91
Date Posted: October 14 2011 at 16:32
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:( ------------- http://hanashukketsu.bandcamp.com" rel="nofollow - Hanashukketsu |
Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: October 14 2011 at 16:37
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Weeeeeeeeelllllll looks like Beardfish has won this one. Too bad. ------------- http://ow.ly/8ymqg" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Anthony H.
Date Posted: October 14 2011 at 21:02
ffffffffff ------------- |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: October 14 2011 at 21:08
| aaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: October 14 2011 at 21:10
I'M SO MAD HE DOESN'T LIKE MY FAVOURITE BAND AS MUCH AS A DIFFERENT BAND |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: October 14 2011 at 21:10
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I voted for The Mars Volta just now.
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Posted By: 40footwolf
Date Posted: October 14 2011 at 21:13
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Voted for the MV, I'm really surprised how close this is! ------------- Heaven's made a cesspool of us all. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: October 14 2011 at 21:19
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I voted for TMV yesterday, and wrote a really long boring post why which I didn't bother posting, though I'm not really a fan of either. I had thought TMV would take this quite easily -- shows what little I know. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: October 14 2011 at 21:25
I thought so too, just look how many more reviews TMV albums have than Beardfish 
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