You left them behind, surprised they're here.
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Topic: You left them behind, surprised they're here.
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Subject: You left them behind, surprised they're here.
Date Posted: July 27 2011 at 07:37
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A couple come to mind for me: ELO and Kraftwerk. I wasn't really big into either of these but I had Out Of The Blue and Autobahn. When I became a big prog fan, I didn't keep up with either. So it was years between me moving on and joining this site. When I saw they were here I was surprised, but I still don't have any interest in getting back into them. Of course if any fans want to convince me...
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Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: July 27 2011 at 07:44
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I love both those bands. If you lean towards the more experimental, you should check out Kraftwerk's Radio-Activity, otherwise The Man Machine is my favorite of theirs.
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: July 27 2011 at 07:51
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ELO is one of my favorite bands. Give Face the Music a try.
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: July 27 2011 at 08:13
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For me ELO were like Supertramp, while I love commercial music and don't have a problem with prog bands being successful, I just didn't like the direction they moved into.
Kraftwerk were something else and the direction they moved into after Autobahn was exactly to my liking - the BBC aired the Minimum-Maximum 2004 concert tour by them recently - excellent stuff - if you get the chance to see it, do so.
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Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: July 27 2011 at 08:17
Have you heard "No Answer"? Most people say "Hey Todd, isn't that the album with Roy Wood? Although I'm not quite sure where they are going with this? Some people in the past have tried to identify with this album by making the association with Roy Wood first and maybe having doubts about his talent for 1 reason or another and then as a result passing up the album all together. There are a few songs written by Jeff Lynne which are closer to the Beatles in sound then anything he wrote after the fact. They are obscure and bizzare in nature. Instrumental pieces on "No Answer" are very reminiscent of Gentle Giant. The acoustic guitar is pretty close to sounding like Gary Green. The strings are very fitting as they are on Gentle Giant's "A Dog's Life"
. Some of the material including the spoken word or storytelling of Roy Wood brings early Zappa to mind. There is an instrumental which is truly reminiscent of Mason Williams piece "Classical Gas". It has a darker melody though. It is easy to identify the band's sound through out the listening experience due to the few Jeff Lynne songs, however if someone were to play the instrumental tracks for you it would sound like a bizzare prog band from the early 70's and the more typical string arrangements which were used later in the band's career are not present here. Some of the material is more likely to be in the style of Frank Zappa. The early Zappa solo releases like Lumpy Gravy or 200 Motels. The string arrangements are based on a style and approach like that and not at all like what is present on ELO II or "On the Third Day". The irony of the song "Mr. Radio". Writing credits split between Lynne and Wood are not conflicting to the flow of the album. This is their more serous minded progressive release.
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Slartibartfast wrote:Posted By: Warthur
Date Posted: July 27 2011 at 08:25
| I wasn't too impressed with ELO's debut - some of the Beatles homage seemed to sail dangerously close to plagiarism to my mind - but I really like Eldorado. |
Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: July 27 2011 at 08:27
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I don't care for ELO's debut either. Their later albums are stellar though.
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Posted By: Alitare
Date Posted: July 27 2011 at 09:10
| Call me the pop whore, but my favorite ELO album is A new World Record (Because of Do Ya, Telephone Line, and Shangri-La). I'll second Bluebird is dead - one of my favorite 1970's bands, pop or otherwise. So damn catchy, kinda the opposite of ELP. ELP took classical music and gave it a rock dressing. ELO took rock music and gave it a classical dressing. I'd wholeheartedly take the latter any day. |
Posted By: rikkinadir
Date Posted: July 27 2011 at 11:02
| I will agree that "A new world record" is ELO's best album and Telephone Line their best song. Though i'm not a big fan of them i like them a lot.They have great arrangements and they remind me a little bit of the beatles with a more pop sense. I like kraftwerk too but just consider them as a completely different band. |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: July 27 2011 at 11:24
The first two albums are not only by far Kraftwerk's best work, but are also why they are here. |
Posted By: Sheavy
Date Posted: July 27 2011 at 11:28
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On The Third Day by ELO, to me that is their masterpiece. ------------- 
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Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: July 27 2011 at 11:35
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I never got into ELO, except for a song here and there (like Roll Over Beethoven or Fire on High), so you have my permission to continue to ignore them. Kraftwerk is still cool in my book. Autobahn is one of my favorites of theirs. I also like Man Machine and Computer World. Both feature short, tight tracks, very different from Autobahn, but still very satisfying. Trans-Europe Express is good too, but gets overly repetitive in a couple of places. ------------- The world of sound is certainly capable of infinite variety and, were our sense developed, of infinite extensions. -- George Santayana, "The Sense of Beauty" |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: July 27 2011 at 12:58
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I really liked ELO. I must start listening to them more again. ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: ghost_of_morphy
Date Posted: July 27 2011 at 13:10
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: July 27 2011 at 13:24
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I never got into Kraftwerk, I don't know why. What my memory tells me was in the US they were viewed as electronic/tons of keyboards? I could be way off base...dunno.
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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: July 27 2011 at 13:56
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: July 27 2011 at 14:25
| I always remember someone at school (this was about 1977) telling me that ELO were just copying I Am The Walrus. That just stuck with me and I've never been able to forget it! However I do have a nice double CD of the early years which includes From The Sun To The World which is excellent prog stuff in anyone books. I hated Telephone Line and all the other commercial guff they did towards the end of the seventies. Nowadays it seems classic stuff but my interest in it is limted to being happy to hear it on the radio occasionally much like The Beatles. Why do I need to buy it ? |
Posted By: ghost_of_morphy
Date Posted: July 27 2011 at 15:37
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I suppose I'm most shocked that Black Sabbath is listed here. -------------
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: July 27 2011 at 16:01
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: July 27 2011 at 17:13
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ELO is with Supertramp, Roxy Music, Queen and 10cc the founders of art pop rock, the standard bearers of crossover progressive music, as my mind sees it,, and ears hears it
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: July 28 2011 at 01:20
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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: July 28 2011 at 03:50
me 3. As much as I was weaned on Sabbath up to Technical Ecstasy, I was very surprised to see them on PA as 'Prog Related' - hugely influential on heavy rock and metal yes, but the discernible Sabbath elements that can be found in some fully fledged prog are simply those same heavy rock and metal ingredients that Prog musicians and fans happen to like. You're married to your wife but you ain't related to her....(I hope  )I also grew up listening to and loving the Who*, Queen, John Cale and Talking Heads but really couldn't make any sort of cogent argument for any of them being Prog Related but hey ho, the more good artists we have on PA the better I guess. *Ok maybe Tommy and Quadrophenia means they can go the ball but their toes looks awfully cramped in those slippers  ------------- 
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: July 28 2011 at 04:07
true but at the time Sabbath was very much a progressive - or progressing - rock band; early metal itself was a form of progressive rock in the sense that it came out of the psych/blues movement and was indulging in longer, more complex ideas with arty imagery. As well, I believe Prog Related doesn't always indicate influence on, but participation in, the progression of rock as art (but that's my interpretation of a vague category) |
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: July 28 2011 at 04:13
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^ a valid point but that would mean every single early metal band you describe should be in 'Prog Related?'
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: July 28 2011 at 04:18
| well if they were as important and progressive as Sabbath perhaps; note that Maiden and Metallica are both here, the site has had debates on Judas Priest, and Malmsteen's Rising Force currently under eval |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: July 28 2011 at 04:21
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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: July 28 2011 at 04:43
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This is interesting (BTW I don't want to undermine the valuable work that the genre teams and collabs do here) I can hear the bilateral influence to and from Prog in Zep, Purple and at a pinch the Who (I'm not familiar with the music of Metallica, Budgie, Maiden or Heep) but with someone like Sabbath or Judas Priest, I can only hear their textural influence on Prog. It's certainly rare for any progger's record collection not to contain several albums by all the early metal artists you name (and Sabbath were certainly an integral part of the UK early 70's 'serious rock' music scene contemporaneous with Prog) but is this enough? I mean surely say, the Allman Brothers, the Band and Grateful Dead would have similar credentials albeit stateside? -------------
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: July 28 2011 at 04:59
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^ Yes, yes they do have similar cred, and I wouldn't be bothered by the Allmans or the Dead here, but this is really the great un-had discussion at PA, isn't it ; Between about 1969 and 79 we had an age of prog, which is to say almost every rock band of any merit was doing some sort of progressive rock. Do we recognize that period by including the bands that were a part of it whether considered Prog or not, e.g. UFO, Velvet Underground, Lennon/Oko, CSN&Y, Joni Mitchell, Scorpions, many others I can't think of. |
Posted By: DavetheSlave
Date Posted: July 28 2011 at 05:01
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Where does one draw the line though? I could argue that Grand Funk Railroad probably deserve to be represented here as they were the US's answer to Black Sabbath etc and their music (their older music) definately wasn't mainstream back then.
I have accepted that but am still very bitter about the fact that Stratovarius isn't represented on the Site and the arguments will always be - if they are represented then how come another is not.
Never in my wildest dreams would I place ELO amongst my own personal progressive collection. They were categorised as pop music back in the day and I personally agree with that.
The Beatles are here yet the Rolling Stones aren't?
I'm not saying that the Stones should be here but if the one is given exposure how come not the other when they were so closely related back in the day. One was the antithesis almost of the other.
As I said - where do we draw the line?
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: July 28 2011 at 05:13
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Good question. Where does one draw the line? You believe ELO was, or was considered, Pop-- and you're right, they were indeed a pop band. But that's kind of the point. For a time, Prog was pop; it was the cutting edge popular music (it certainly wasn't Billy Joel or Seals&Crofts). How do we deal with that startling reality? |
Posted By: DavetheSlave
Date Posted: July 28 2011 at 05:21
I don't know that prog was ever really pop - I won't argue though. I personally think that Genesis, Yes, Floyd, KC could never have been termed pop music - in the record stores back then they would be found under the Underground category whereas ELO were categorised as Pop. I'm one of those perhaps silly individuals who can find no similarities between the Beatles and Prog  other than the fact that they are both music. I do put ELO into the same personal category at home as the Beatles and the Stones and in fact as the Osmonds, the Archies etc.
Just me though. ------------- I'm a normal psychopath |
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: July 28 2011 at 05:28
Yes, it is a conundrum as there is a danger that we might continue to pine for a period when (as David so adroitly points out) when many plain vanilla rock and pop bands were charting with singles that do represent a distillation of the questing and adventurous risk taking spirit that we adore so much in Prog. I baulk at such nostalgia as I can understand why such irritates the younger brethren on PA. (Gawd, I'm the new Walter Dig Tunes - Lemming Digs Squat )-------------
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Posted By: DavetheSlave
Date Posted: July 28 2011 at 05:38
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I remember being almost ostracised for my music taste in school for enjoying Yes, Floyd, Sabbath, Heep etc, - the other kids had the Stones, Donny Osmond, David Cassidy, the Beatles and later Kiss emblazened on their school bags etc.
It was almost as if my preferences added a kind of mystique to me and my mates - lol.
It was so easy to categorise music back then - Underground, Pop, Jazz or Classical.
The pop lovers were a different breed to the Underground music lovers.
Later it became Rock, Metal, Punk, Disco, Jazz and Classical.
Now - Holy Moly - Progarchives alone has more categories than their were types of music back then.
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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: July 28 2011 at 05:53
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^ Yep, I dunno when this started exactly but something faintly unwholesome happened when the money men took a controlling interest in popular music i.e. they demarcated the eclecticism that was a feature of progressive artists and started a phoney brand patriotism war. I've always thought that Hendrix, Crimson and the Nice exemplified an attitude that 'music' was an indivisible whole where no rules should apply to mixing the ingredients. I better stop now or I'm just gonna sound like I'm nostalgic for something that never even happened in the first place... -------------
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: July 28 2011 at 06:00
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: July 28 2011 at 06:06
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Thanks for the tips on Kraftwerk and ELO should I reconsider and check them out anew. I don't even remember how I got into Kraftwerk in the first place. I think an abbreviated version of Autobahn got a little radio play. ELO did have a good reputation for their earlier albums amongst prog loving friends at the time. I think I just had my hands full exploring the usual suspects. I don't think we were calling that stuff prog but art rock or just really good music. Most of my prog friends were actually my brother's (three years older) friends and he had built up a decent collection. There were pretty much none of my classmates but one that was really into that kind of music. Chicago is another that comes to mind. More of a favorite of my brother's but I never had any of their albums. They were added after I was already here though. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: jean-marie
Date Posted: July 28 2011 at 06:07
| About Kraftwerk check the dvd Minimum Maximum it's all you need to become friend with the band, |
Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: July 28 2011 at 07:01
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To many to mention, but im fine with that, all just a matter of how you define things. ------------- Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours |
Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: July 28 2011 at 08:49
Same with me. I think El Dorado is their best album, but after that, they took a more commercial approach to their music, and I eventually lost interest in the band .
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Posted By: brainstormer
Date Posted: July 28 2011 at 11:41
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Can't Get it Out of My Head (if that's the official title of that track) is one of the most amazing songs ever written/engineered/performed. It has that ghostly quality that I've only found with some songs like "If You Could Read My Mind" by Lightfoot, or a few dreamy songs by the Ronettes (seriously, lol). In prog, I find "The Venture" by Yes, to have a bit of that quality, and of course, Genesis veers into that territory often as well. ------------- -- Robert Pearson Regenerative Music http://www.regenerativemusic.net Telical Books http://www.telicalbooks.com ParaMind Brainstorming Software http://www.paramind.net |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: July 28 2011 at 14:59
Trying not to be rude here, you're too young to make such generalisations Dave, and even though I'm 3 years older, I'm also a year or two too young aswell. Any kid in the 70s with Osmonds and Cassidy on their school bag would never have listened to The Stones, Beatles or Kiss ... as Bowie says in All The Young Dudes; "My Brother's back at home with his Beatles and his Stones, we never got it off on that revolution stuff, what a drag, too many snags" - there was an age gap, and younger siblings never listened to the music of their older brothers and sisters - the listening range was two to three years for each type of artist regardless of whether they were Pop, Rock or Underground. Access to music was similarily restricted to very narrow time spans, unless it was extremely sucessful an album released in 1969 would have been deleted from the catalogues by 1972, which made true underground music extremely difficult to obtain - take something like Capability Brown or Clouds - if you didn't buy it within 6 months of it being released then you'd never have seen it in the record shops. Even ELO's (very Prog) 1971 debut was nigh on impossible to find by the time they hit the big time with A New World Record in 1976
Similarily among kids that were into Progressive Rock (and yes, in England in 1970-76 that's exactly what we called it, just because it took the rest of the world 6 to 30 years to catch-up it's not our fault) and Underground music there was a hireachy of cool that would never have put Yes, Floyd, Sabbath and Heep into the same bag either. Groups of kids that were into one type of Underground music would never countenance their music being compared to another type of Underground music, just as they would never dream of doing that today.
Time has blurred our memories - then was no different to now.
Your categoraisations from that time are a little vague and not exactly accurate - we had heavy rock, progressive rock, blues rock, progressive blues, psychedelic rock, acid rock, space rock, country rock, techno-rock (I remember Yes being called this and techno-flash at one point), head music, jazz-rock, glam rock, funk-rock, electronic, bubble-rock, stomp rock, pub-rock, etc., etc., etc. ------------- What? |
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Date Posted: July 28 2011 at 15:52
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Date Posted: July 28 2011 at 15:54
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Posted By: ghost_of_morphy
Date Posted: July 28 2011 at 15:58
It'd be hard to include the Stones unless you went to the third and weakest definition. But that's how Jefferson Airplane got in, so don't be surprised if it happens. -------------
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Posted By: ghost_of_morphy
Date Posted: July 28 2011 at 15:59
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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: July 28 2011 at 16:14
To be fair I think David(Atavachron) concedes by implication that 'Prog' has never been a freestanding genre c/f Reggae, Blues, Metal, Rap, Techno, Jazz etc and that the only demarcation criteria we can use for artists on PA might just boil down to them having a demonstrably progressive attitude towards their music's development. BTW I'm assuming by 'progressive music' you mean what we call 'Prog? (e.g. Ornette Coleman is clearly progressive music but it ain't Prog) -------------
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Posted By: ghost_of_morphy
Date Posted: July 28 2011 at 16:24
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mailto:M@x" rel="nofollow - M@x has wisely chosen to be quite inclusive for the bands he lists here. It is up to you how you define prog. I define it as a genre. -------------
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Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: July 28 2011 at 17:50
I can attest to this. My sister was six years older than me and into Elton John, The Beach Boys, and The Beatles when I was listening to Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin, Rainbow, and Black Sabbath. I used to hate her tastes in music, but these artists I have come to enjoy and respect.  I can't say the same about The Bay City Rollers, though.  ------------- The world of sound is certainly capable of infinite variety and, were our sense developed, of infinite extensions. -- George Santayana, "The Sense of Beauty" |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: July 28 2011 at 21:00
yes, but I was also alluding to the fact that, according to some in the music intelligentsia (which I don't always subscribe to), hard rock/metal was indeed an offshoot of Prog, and that "...Heavy Rock as a style grew out of Progressive Rock sometime in the early 1970s. The trend setters were Deep Purple and Black Sabbath". That quote is from the notes in the Warhorse reissue, and represents a lost but fascinating perspective suggesting there is a deeper relation between Prog and Metal than generally assumed |
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Date Posted: July 29 2011 at 09:58
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Posted By: Formentera Lady
Date Posted: July 29 2011 at 10:32
Same with me! ELO was introduced to me by my older brother (who also introduced me to Genesis), while I heard Kraftwerk a lot from my class mates. Both happened in the late 70's. After a short period of listening I lost interest and moved on. Last year I discovered this site and am surprised to find both bands again. Also I am surprised to find Deep Purple, Black Sabbath and Metallica here, and not to find The Grateful Dead and Velvet Underground. ------------- http://theprogressiveweb.blogspot.de" rel="nofollow - Visit me in Second Life to talk about music. |
Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: July 29 2011 at 10:51
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Iron Maiden. I never concidered them anything other than a metal / rock band with a rather nifty looking monster thingy. I never had any interest in them and I don't have any interest in them now. So I will never find out why they are here.
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Posted By: DavetheSlave
Date Posted: July 29 2011 at 10:55
South Africa was a very different place to many other countries and unless a person knew where to look a lot of music and other things were kind of unavailable. I remember asking for Rush on one occasion after the 2112 release at a record shop (not Hillbrow records) and being looked at like I was strange by the owner.
We were shown Partridge family movies in our school hall every Saturday morning in around 1970 as well as Voyage to the bottom of the sea and the Avengers and if we were caught holding a girls hand during those Saturday morning sessions there was a whole heap of trouble. ------------- I'm a normal psychopath |
Posted By: Formentera Lady
Date Posted: July 29 2011 at 11:03
Wow!  ------------- http://theprogressiveweb.blogspot.de" rel="nofollow - Visit me in Second Life to talk about music. |
Posted By: DavetheSlave
Date Posted: July 29 2011 at 11:16
Trevor fronted a band here called Rabbit and they had a really rabid local fanbase - screaming girls etc. Their stuff is really worth getting hold of for a listen. ------------- I'm a normal psychopath |
Posted By: seb2112
Date Posted: July 29 2011 at 11:33
| I'm suprised to see so many straight up death metal bands categorized as prog. I can understand a band like Cynic, although I've completely outgrown their music and cannot bare to listen to them anymore, but a band like Fleshgod Apocalypse? If anything, the latest Behemoth record has a lot more to do with prog (as it closely resembles "accepted" prog metal acts Deathspell Omega and Ulcerate) than F.A.'s typical, uninteresting re-hash of somewhat technical (yet not progressive, the two are not intertwined) death metal. I get the same feeling when I see crappy black metal band early albums like Ancient and Abigor reviewed here because they eventually released a somewhat progressive record over a decade later. I left 90% of the metal scene behind, and I'm always suprised to see how much of it is forced unto here |
Posted By: seb2112
Date Posted: July 29 2011 at 11:41
Also want to add that although somebands might of been progressive WITHIN THE METAL GENRE, they have no place being here. Take the band Death. Yes, they moved away from the genre's typical, simplistic beginnings, but the albums they later released have no place on this website. Are we going to start adding every band that evolved it's genre under the guise that they "progressed" ? Are we going to add a bunch of punk bands because they were slightly less simplistic than their forefathers? Are we going to add a crap load of hip hop artists because they have better and more complex productions? Is starting a new sub-genre progressive in itself? I don't think so, and I really don't understand why we have so many Sludge/Drone bands in the Tech/Extreme Metal category. |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: July 29 2011 at 12:09
At the rate you don't understand things, I think you should best stay away from the PA categories, they'd only give you headaches... 
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: July 29 2011 at 13:32
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: July 30 2011 at 13:02
I am surprised about the amount of metal here on a prog site, but since I don't know it particularly well, it doesn't bother me. The two examples in my opening post aren't artists who I don't think should be here. I was into stuff at the time that I kept up with and are here and it's no surprise. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: July 30 2011 at 13:07
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When I discovered this site, I left behind extreme metal bands, and now that they are here, I returned to them ! ------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: ghost_of_morphy
Date Posted: July 31 2011 at 10:44
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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: July 31 2011 at 10:54
lol, first part sort of applies to me. Not necessarily discovering the website by itself, but really getting into prog. Found metal's concern with its ethos and 'culture' rather limiting and conservative thereafter. |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: July 31 2011 at 11:38
I do believe art rock is a much better, more intelligible and more inclusive term for what all generally gets called progressive rock. I don't see the need for drawing a line between Elton John circa Brick Road and Genesis. Yes, the latter's music is more sophisticated and complex, but I have yet to be convinced that by itself constitutes a completely different approach to music. Both are trying to do something interesting in a rock context, ultimately. |
Posted By: Proletariat
Date Posted: July 31 2011 at 12:24
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The more I learn about music the more I find that all the genres are poorly defined. Each genre crosses over with every other genre and the lines between them are fuzzy. When I was younger though every one seemed so different and my mouth watered at the prospect of discovering some catigory... Now when I talk to anyone who is a fan of a sound I see nothing but diffensivness of their section of the record shop. But I think their favorite album could have been on this shelf instead.
When everything is post modern and seperated a few of us may see that indeed nothing is. ------------- who hiccuped endlessly trying to giggle but wound up with a sob |
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Date Posted: July 31 2011 at 12:50
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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: August 01 2011 at 00:42
That kind of sums it up, doesn't it? I am sure a lot many of us have gone through this phase at some point. Unfortunately, people in that phase (and some never get out of it and remain steadfast genre fanatics) constitute the biggest target audience for art because that kind of fanatical passion gets food on the table for that artists. I am extremely selective about what gigs/concerts I attend and hence the enemy of people who make or perform music for a living, ironically.
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Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: August 01 2011 at 03:05
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Date Posted: August 01 2011 at 09:38
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Posted By: Failcore
Date Posted: August 01 2011 at 13:58
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Metallica, what the crap. I would have added almost every other Thrash band ever before adding Metallica.They had no experimental/progressive attitude at all. ------------- 
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: August 03 2011 at 16:11
I personally like the stuff that came out around Kraftwerk, from the solo albums to all the early Ralf and Florian stuff. In many ways, the experimentation and fun derived from it was a lot more enjoyable of a listen than what became the commercialization of the synthesizer as a meaningless instrument ... that is ... the instrument that could do all the other instruments, and now ... cheaper, too!
ELO was very nice and I liked all their albums up until the one that had Eldorado, and all that ... after that I think it lost something. I personally enjoyed Roy Wood's Wizard a lot more, specially "Eddie and the Falcons" (fabulous pastiche of 50's music!) and then "Mustard" (hilarious satires, even on the Beach Boys!) ... but sadly, those albums were kinda ... lost in the shuffle. Not exactly progressive, but Roy was much more adventurous than ELO was, at least, insofar as playing his own instruments. I did think that ELO made the call to go "commercial", and I can't really blame them after so many years in the tank trying hard to make something to enjoy a better car or instrument. But I do like their early incarnation of "The Move" as well, and still have those albums!
But yeah ... Roll Over Beethoven ... and them prog archives! Time to do some rock'in'! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: kevin4peace
Date Posted: August 06 2011 at 12:46
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Back to the start of this thread... ELO and Kraftwerk are some of my favourite bands. Standing In The Rain off of Out Of The Blue is simply amazing. As for a full album, I'd suggest On The Third Day. Trans Europe Express is my favourite Kraftwerk album right now, although The Man Machine is great too... ------------- Nothing to say here. Nothing at all. Nothing is easy. |
Posted By: DiamondDog
Date Posted: August 15 2011 at 23:37
| I like ELO, but I wouldn't personally call them a Prog band. |
Posted By: For6luca
Date Posted: August 16 2011 at 11:06
| Metallica, my favourite band 15 years ago |
Posted By: ghost_of_morphy
Date Posted: August 16 2011 at 14:33
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: August 16 2011 at 18:58
That seems to be the general consensus. Anyone here who was a fan of the commercial Journey and left them behind, surprised to see them here? Kind of like ELO in having prog origins but moving away. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: August 25 2011 at 18:13
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Hi,
I kinda thought the thread was more about things that were/might have been considered prog that ... we don't listen to much anymore ... and I have a large list.
As stated before, I do not listen to "prog" or to any description of music whatsoever ... I listen to artists and their work.
And yes, lately I have listened again to some older things ... and they were still good after all these years and beers and comments! And I still don't care if they were prog or not!
Third Ear Band
Spontaneous Combustion (Triad album)
Kevin Ayers (Early stuff)
Roy Harper (very early stuff)
Edgar Broughton Band (still sounds magnificent after all these year! It is what punk couldn't do and meen it!)
Kingdom Come (Arthur Brown)
Colin Townes
Spooky Tooth (still love that Season of the Witch!)
Black Widow
Byzantium (both albums are awesome!)
Greenslade
Stackridge
XTC
Paul Butterfield Blues Band
Al Kooper
Marc Almond
Jack Nietzche - St. Giles Cripplegate
Ides of March
Lighthouse
Gil Scott Heron (... I doubt many here saw him, and realized who he was in the "performance" film ... and to boot, listen to those lyrics, to realize how insipid most rap lyrics are today compared to what he was doing!)
... and a few of the albums that did not excite me (again) just like they didn't then ...
Uriah Heep
Kansas
Deep Purple ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: August 26 2011 at 08:03
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^ Glad to see you are once again at large Mosh BUT Ok you state disingenuously that you don't listen to 'Prog' but just 'artists' yet post such an assertion on a progressive rock forum? You have already made the demarcation that you deny exists. -------------
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Posted By: ghost_of_morphy
Date Posted: August 26 2011 at 09:29
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: August 26 2011 at 15:36
That would be incorrect.
I post here because there are more people that have heard a lot of the music that I happen to love ... that "YOU", call it this or that is meaningless to me ... and remember ... that as long as the music lives ... is, the goal that you, or I, have for all this art ... isn't it? ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: August 26 2011 at 21:12
| Point well made but don't you agree that you have made it several times before? It doesn't have be brought into all kinds of discussions, right, because people just like to classify. I am against excessive classification in music too but you can't stop people from doing it and even finding reasons to hate the music on account of classification. |
Posted By: jammun
Date Posted: August 27 2011 at 11:19
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I'm a bit bored today, might as well stir the pot. ELO recorded exactly two excellent songs: Evil Woman and Turn To Stone. Genesis recorded one excellent song, which I was listening to last night: I Can't Dance. ------------- Can you tell me where we're headin'? Lincoln County Road or Armageddon. |
Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: August 27 2011 at 11:35
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SOunds like you prefer pop music. Mind you I like EW and TTS. I can't Dance isn't even good pop though.
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Posted By: jammun
Date Posted: August 27 2011 at 15:49
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Actually I do like pop, idiot that I am. I don't prefer it, but neither do I denigrate it. Hell, I like Aqua's Barbie Girl. I Can't Dance is pure magic. Many will disagree. It's all good, that's why we have these forums. ------------- Can you tell me where we're headin'? Lincoln County Road or Armageddon. |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: August 27 2011 at 15:55
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My first musical love was URIAH HEEP, I didn't even knew what Prog was in those days, so I was surprised when I found them here. Still love their music Iván ------------- 
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: August 27 2011 at 15:56
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Also 1.- Deep Purple 2.- ELO 3.- STYX Iván -------------
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Posted By: wjohnd
Date Posted: August 27 2011 at 16:25
aw come on...gotta love mr blue sky. school disco flahbacks and all :-) |
Posted By: jammun
Date Posted: August 28 2011 at 00:41
Aw c'mon, I may have the occasional flashback or two, but it rarely if ever involves disco. Though now that you mention it I've got a sudden hankerin' to hear some Donna Summer's I Feel Love. That sucker has an organic pumping synth beat if there ever was one. ------------- Can you tell me where we're headin'? Lincoln County Road or Armageddon. |