Ziltoid commands you to read my newbie thread!
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Forum Name: Welcome newbies!
Forum Description: Introduce yourself and tell us what prog music you listen to
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Topic: Ziltoid commands you to read my newbie thread!
Posted By: Seleras
Subject: Ziltoid commands you to read my newbie thread!
Date Posted: July 20 2011 at 21:15
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Greetings humans! It is I, Ziltoid the Omniscient. Er, well no - Devin Townsend owns the rights to that name. As you can see my name for all intents and purposes is Seleras. Nice to make your acquaintance. Currently I'm listening to bands such as Devin Townsend Project, Opeth, Porcupine Tree, The Pineapple Thief, Unexpect, The Mars Volta, Coheed & Cambria, Rush and *Frost. I also play guitar/write songs and do so in a way which likely reflects my adoration and respect for those bands. I look forward to making forum posts that show how little I probably know about progressive music and in turn being schooled accordingly! If you have any questions about my many proclivities and curiosities please do ask.
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Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: July 20 2011 at 21:35
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I don't like any of those bands except for Rush, but I am glad you are here anyway. Welcome aboard, sir!
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: July 20 2011 at 21:35
| Mom? |
Posted By: TheGazzardian
Date Posted: July 20 2011 at 21:41
| Welcome aboard! Some good music in your list, and your journey of discovery has just begun. Enjoy! |
Posted By: Alitare
Date Posted: July 20 2011 at 21:41
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Here are some wondrous steps in acclimating yourself with this particular scene: - Ask yourself "What is prog?" - Realize your answer is probably a bunch of subjective garbage. - Post a poll that's been posted before - Openly berate yourself to hide your self-adoration - Use big words to impress folks, specifically like 'acclimating', 'proclivities', or 'boner'. - Hallucinate that your opinion is important and special - Post in the Shred Room accordingly - Pretend that you don't illegally download music - Meet WalterDigsTunes - Argue with WalterDigsTunes - Keep yourself up to date with the current trivial memes and popular interests (this quarter is My Little Pony) - Post reviews of your favorite underground albums that nobody cares about but you Irreverently yours, Dustin "Alitare" "cockface" "Rush-hater" "Facetiousness", the evitably imitable. Post-Script: Welcome to our hive-mind nightmare.
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Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: July 20 2011 at 21:46
Alitare, you know that Walter's been banned/suspended for a while now, right? 
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Posted By: Alitare
Date Posted: July 20 2011 at 21:48
You're kidding, right? I had no idea. I've been so wrapped up in having a family that I've not the slightest inclination as to the going-ons of this place. Walter, suspended? What did he do to cause that?
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SaltyJon wrote:Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: July 20 2011 at 21:48
You wouldn't happen to have a link to the thread where that happened, would you? I'd like to see that. -------------
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Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: July 20 2011 at 21:51
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There was no particular thread, we just found one day that he wasn't around anymore. Also, welcome to the site! Sorry for hijacking your Newbie thread.  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Salty_Jon" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: July 20 2011 at 21:52
Pity, I always liked him. I don't like much music after 1989 either. -------------
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Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: July 20 2011 at 21:54
MLP is hardly trivial.
Welcome Seleras! |
Posted By: Alitare
Date Posted: July 20 2011 at 21:57
| I don't take music by decade. Walter thought that Poison and Motley Crue were more imaginative and talented than Opeth and Devin Townsend. His philosophy claimed that Styx was more talented, original, and artistic than either Ayreon, Ween, maudlin of the Well, Pain of Salvation, or what have you. It's not wrong, but it is something I don't emotionally agree with on any level. I love Stevie Wonder as much as I do Devin Townsend. I love Lennon as much as Will Oldham, The Beatles as much as Ween, etc. |
Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: July 20 2011 at 21:58
I do like post-89 music, but I never had a problem with Walter either. We knew we had our differences musically, but we were friends nonetheless. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Salty_Jon" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Alitare
Date Posted: July 20 2011 at 21:59
| I'm not good with 'friends'. He thought I was a morally-deprived, thieving wastrel, even if I never honestly judged him. |
Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: July 20 2011 at 22:08
Well aren't you? -------------
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: July 20 2011 at 22:11
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I miss Walter.
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Posted By: Alitare
Date Posted: July 20 2011 at 22:14
What does it matter if I am or not?
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Posted By: Seleras
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 00:00
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Thanks for the well wishes and whatnot. Nice to meet all of you.
Alitaire - That's quite the list you have going there. - Ask yourself "What is prog?" I've had that conversation a few times with people and still don't have an answer, nor desire one. - Realize your answer is probably a bunch of subjective garbage. If I had one to begin with you'd probably be right. But even my stance of neutrality on the subject is probably subjective garbage anyways. - Post a poll that's been posted before I've never posted a poll. No interest in them either. - Openly berate yourself to hide your self-adoration Damn. Seems you've experienced this brand of deception before around here. Pity, now I can't use it as I'd planned. - Use big words to impress folks, specifically like 'acclimating', 'proclivities', or 'boner'. Got me there. For the record I like 'proclivities' so I shall continue it's usage. But since you're going to be waiting for the right moment to point out any other usage of "larger" words I'll refrain from doing so. ;-) - Hallucinate that your opinion is important and special Tried that. It has it's uses. Doesn't mean anyone has to agree with me! - Post in the Shred Room accordingly I don't shred. I'm not sure if that's progressive blasphemy but I'm prepared for the consequences. - Pretend that you don't illegally download music If this was a couple years ago you'd be correct. Gone "clean" since then. /cites some over used justification such as enjoying the album art, blah blah. - Meet WalterDigsTunes - Argue with WalterDigsTunes I guess these don't really apply anymore. - Keep yourself up to date with the current trivial memes and popular interests (this quarter is My Little Pony) Okay. Uh huh. Got it. - Post reviews of your favorite underground albums that nobody cares about but you Oh good! So you'll all ignore me when I post something from my band. Couldn't ask for more! |
Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 08:12
Reported.  Nice to meet you, Seleras.  ------------- http://blindpoetrecords.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow">  
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Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 08:15
Huh? Did I violate forum policy in some way? -------------
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 08:27
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but you are mimicing the Ts sig ^^^^^^^^ and hello newbie, a fan of Porcopeth here as well -------------  
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Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 08:28
Twas a joke. ------------- http://blindpoetrecords.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 09:03
Oh. Ha! -------------
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 09:26
Welcome Seleras. Best newbie thread title since long ago!  And of course we want to hear your band.
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Posted By: TheGazzardian
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 10:18
 nice answers, I didn't expect you to pay attention to that post. |
Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 10:49
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Welcome Seleras. ------------- https://gabebuller.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - New album! http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385 |
Posted By: Seleras
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 11:23
Seemed to easy not to. ;-) Greetings to all. Thanks for stopping by to say hello. If I stick around I'll gladly post something from my band (oh I know, everyone has a band these days making the whole "showcase" your work thing a bit tired where you can't tell if I'm here to converse about prog or exclusively to spam you.)
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Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 20:49
Seleras I feel like you would be a good shredder. You should go introduce yourself here: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=79891" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=79891  ------------- http://ow.ly/8ymqg" rel="nofollow">  
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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 20:57
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I wanna be a good shredder too andy. Welcome! You can tell that this place is bonkers.
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Posted By: Seleras
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 21:00
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A good shredder you say? Why do I have the feeling this has nothing to do with a guitar? Bonkers is okay. My non-virtual life is fairly sane. Balance shall be achieved. Nice to meet you both. /tip of the hat
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Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 21:18
No, it has nothing to do with a guitar As we've said, it's mostly a chat room. Welcome! ------------- http://ow.ly/8ymqg" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 21:24
Not until you read a book. |
Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: July 21 2011 at 21:26
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Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: July 22 2011 at 03:30
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HI
I too love Porcupine Tree, Devin, MarsVolta and RUSH are my favourite... Gotta love 70s prog too. ------------- 
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Posted By: Seleras
Date Posted: July 22 2011 at 12:00
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Hi AtomicCrimsonRush, Pleased to meet you. Do you have any recommendations for where to get started in 70s era prog? I'm aware of the more popular artists like Jethro Tull, ELP, Kansas and Genesis but have a very limited knowledge of that decade.
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Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: July 22 2011 at 12:21
x10 ------------- http://blindpoetrecords.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: July 22 2011 at 12:23
What you need is Gnidrolog, Nektar, Can, Gong, Caravan, Gentle Giant |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: July 22 2011 at 12:59
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Great newbie thread! Hi Seleras and welcome to the site! Big Porcupine Tree fan myself, and wouldn´t part with my Sky moves sideways, Up the downstairs, Coma Divine or Metanoia for a million foxes. If you like the spacyness of PT, you should definitely try some Djam Karet. The new release was played live in the studio without any overdubs whatsoever, and it rocks! ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: EchidnasArf
Date Posted: July 22 2011 at 13:29
Well, TMV's first 3 albums I liked a lot... and I haven't heard Devin Townsend, Opeth, the Pineapple Thief, or Unexpect. Please recommend me an album of one of those bands that is the least metal sounding. And welks to PA.------------- http://didyouseethosebats.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - Did You See Those Bats? (a few songs from my band's live radio show) 
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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: July 22 2011 at 13:34
You could try What we have Sown by Pineapple Thief. It´s definitely the least metal sounding band from the list - that´s for sure. Very similar feel to Porcupine. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: July 22 2011 at 13:41
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Pineapple Theif - What We Have Sown, Someone Here is Missing, Tightly Unwound Opeth - Damnation. Calm and no growling album produced by Steven Wilson. |
Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: July 22 2011 at 13:45
Was it produced by Wilson? I thought he just played on it. ------------- http://ow.ly/8ymqg" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: July 22 2011 at 13:47
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Yea yea Wiki link but, was too lazy to find another source... "The album was also produced by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Wilson" rel="nofollow - Steven Wilson , who contributed backing vocals and keyboards, and co-wrote one song, "Death Whispered a Lullaby". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damnation_%28album%29" rel="nofollow - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damnation_(album)
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Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: July 22 2011 at 13:51
Oh ok. He's been credited on every Opeth album since Blackwater Park ------------- http://ow.ly/8ymqg" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: July 22 2011 at 15:14
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Posted By: Alitare
Date Posted: July 22 2011 at 18:02
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I love the 1970's, musically. My personal favorites from the decade: 1 - Jesus Christ Superstar - Andrew Lloyd Webber/Tim Rice - 1970 2 - Small Change - Tom Waits - 1976 3 - Songs in the Key of Life - Stevie Wonder - 1976 4 - Dark Side of the Moon - Pink Floyd - 1973 5 - Red - King Crimson - 1974 6 - Wish You Were Here - Pink Floyd - 1975 7 - Aqualung - Jethro Tull - 1971 8 - Closing Time - Tom Waits - 1973 9 - I Robot - Alan Parsons Project - 1977 10-Thick as a Brick - Jethro Tull - 1972 11-Selling England by the Pound - Genesis - 1973 12-Animals - Pink Floyd - 1977 13-Ziggy Stardust - David Bowie - 1972 14-Godbluff - Van Der Graaf Generator - 1975 15-First Utterance - Comus - 1971 16-John Lennon/Plastic Ono Band - 1970 17-Ashes are Burning - Renaissance - 1973 18-Talking Book - Stevie Wonder - 1972 19-Songs of Love and Hate - Leonard Cohen - 1971 20-Berin - Lou Reed - 1973 21-Tea for the Tillerman - Cat Stevens - 1970 22-Honky Chateau - Elton John - 1972 23-Tanx - T.Rex - 1973 24-Cosmo's Factory - Creedence ClearwaterRevival - 1970 25-Sticky Fingers - Rolling Stones - 1971 26-Who's Next - The Who - 1971 27-Catch a Fire - Bob Marley - 1973 28-The Wall - Pink Floyd - 1979 29-Death of a Ladies Man - Leonard Cohen - 1977 30-Bat out of Hell - Meat Loaf - 1977 31-Imagine - John Lennon - 1971 32-A New World Record - ELO - 1976 32-Tumbleweed Connection - Elton John - 1970 33-Eldorado - ELO - 1974 34-Voyage of the Acolyte - Steve Hackett - 1975 There are a bunch more, but to me, these are all 5 star albums. This list excludes albums I haven't formally reviewed, and it excludes material from era giants such as Bob Dylan, because I haven't had the time to delve too deeply into their careers as of yet. And no, it's not a prog-exclusive list. Yeah, there's a reason why Close to the Edge, anything by Rush, Foxtrot, and anything from Led Zeppelin aren't up there. You could guess a guess, fantastic.
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Posted By: Seleras
Date Posted: July 23 2011 at 04:06
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Triceratopsoil - Thank-you for the recommendations. Consider them added into my personal "rotation" Guldbamsen - I do occasionally enjoy the ambient nature of some of the PT material. I'll be sure to check out Djam Karet. EchidnasArf - The least metal sounding? The most recent album from those artists that fits the bill would be "Ghost" from Devin Townsend. It's very ambient, acoustic, relaxing music with some flute, synth and intermittent croaking frog samples (who knew they could be so soothing). It's an interesting one for the fact that Devin also released another album on the same day called "Deconstruction" which is best described as total chaos (upon the first few listens at least). It's always nice to see artists showcase some diversity. Alitare - Bloody hell you're a thorough man. Thank-you for that. My knowledge of music looks infantile against what you just posted. Looks like I have my work cut out for me.
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Posted By: Alitare
Date Posted: July 23 2011 at 06:29
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Folks at work have said three things of me, including nicknaming me "The Caveman". But mostly they call me the music encyclopedia. For example - I can connect Jesus Christ to Def Leppard's one-armed drummer and the Phantom of the Opera. Def Lep's one armed drummer? He played with a man by the name o' Vivian Campbell, who just so happened to axe-master for early Dio albums like Holy Diver. Dio? Before his ludicrous stint in black Sabbath (with Iommi, who had played with Anderson in Tull), he was the main pipes-man for the dragon rock group: Rainbow. Rainbow is probably my favorite 1970's metal band, and Ritchie Blackmore, famed as he was, played guitar. Of course we all know Blackmore from Deep Purple. Who was their most famous lead singer? Ian Gillian. Ian actually struck me, not because of the silly hard rocker posturing in the likes of Highway Star, but in the touchingly sentimental role of Jesus of Nazareth in the original 1970 LP pressing of Andrew Lloyd Webber's Jesus Christ Superstar. Hey, Webber did Phantom of the Opera, didn't he? Yes, I'm pathetic on several differing levels. But it's quite fun to me.
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Posted By: Seleras
Date Posted: July 23 2011 at 21:43
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Pathetic in who's eyes? Probably not to anyone here nor to me. It may not be impressive in the most widely accepted sense of the word around the workplace - but it is respectable to pour yourself into a passion and I think that goes pretty well beyond the depth and value of the typical experiences a workplace has to offer. Thank-you for the thorough response. As you'd expect - it was quite educational. So what's the third thing folks at work say regarding you? ;-)
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Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: July 24 2011 at 07:04
starting with 1973
A very strong selection of prog was released and kept the prog genre very much alive and kicking. Drove me crazy trying to get this list down to 15 but this is a good selection. I am stunned that this many masterpeices were released in one year, my favourite year for classic prog: Dark Side Of The Moon – Pink Floyd
  Photos Of Ghosts - Premiata Forneria Marconi
 Larks' Tongues In Aspic – King Crimson
 Flying Teapot – Gong
 Space Ritual – Hawkwind
 Felona & Sorona – Le Orme
 Birds Of Fire – Mahavishnu Orchestra
 For Girls Who Grow Plump In The Night – Caravan
 Selling England By The Pound – Genesis
 Remember The Future – Nektar
 Angel's Egg – Gong
 Brain Salad Surgery – Emerson Lake & Palmer
 Mekanïk Destruktïw Kommandöh – Magma
 Io Sono Nato Libero– Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso
 Arbeit Macht Frei - Area
There were a number of others chosen, with passion might I add, including:
The Six Wives of Henry the VIII – Rick Wakeman
Illusions on a Double Dimple - Triumvirat
A Passion Play – Jethro Tull  Voice - Capability Brown
Tales From Topographic Oceans - Yes
In a Glass House - Gentle Giant  -------------
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Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: July 24 2011 at 07:07
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Top 15 - Here is the definitive albums of 1974. An undisputed golden year of prog with incredible albums unprecedented in prog history. Starless and Bible Black – King Crimson
The World Became The World - Premiata Forneria Marconi
Hatfield And The North - Hatfield And The North
Mirage – Camel
Hamburger Concerto – Focus
Welcome Back My Friends... Emerson Lake & Palmer
Köhntarkösz – Magma
You – Gong
Hall Of The Mountain Grill - Hawkwind
Red – King Crimson
The Power And The Glory – Gentle Giant
Red Queen To Gryphon Three – Gryphon
The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway – Genesis
Relayer – Yes
Crac! – Area
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Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: July 24 2011 at 07:10
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and 1975
An amazing year for prog - all these should be heard at leasy once by every prog fan
Here is the prog poll for definitive albums of 1975. An excellent year of prog with legendary albums that kept prog well and truly alive in the mid 70s. I had to leave some treasures out but this list captures the spirit of the era. Scheherezade and Other Stories - Renaissance
Rotter’s Club - Hatfield And The North
The Snow Goose – Camel
Warrior At The Edge Of Time – Hawkwind
Cunning Stunts – Caravan
Free Hand – Gentle Giant
Minstrel In The Gallery – Jethro Tull
Wish You Were Here – Pink Floyd
Godbluff - Van Der Graaf Generator
Voyage Of The Acolyte – Steve Hackett
Fish Out Of Water – Chris Squire
Live – Magma
Electric Silence – Dzyan
Boris – Yezda Urfa
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=3160" rel="nofollow - – Harmonium
Time Honoured Ghosts – Barclay James Harvest
Au Dela du Delire - Ange
Les Porches – Maneige
Ghosts - The Strawbs
A Night at the Opera - Queen
And there was a list posted of alternatives:
Beck, Jeff Blow By Blow
Eno, Brian Another Green World Gong Shamal Kansas Song for America Manzanara, Phil Diamond Head Nektar Recycled Oldfield, Mike Ommadawn Residents, The Third Reich 'N Roll, The Return to Forever Return to the 7th Galaxy: The Anthology Roxy Music Siren Roxy Music Viva -------------
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Posted By: Alitare
Date Posted: July 24 2011 at 10:40
The three things they say (not that I believe, condone, or propagate): -I'm a Caveman -I'm a music encyclopedia -I'm so intelligent I should be running the place (a sales call center for XM Satellite radio service with a few hundred employees) |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: July 24 2011 at 13:41
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Thanks, ACR, that wasn't overdoing it in the slightest
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Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: July 24 2011 at 13:45
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Posted By: Alitare
Date Posted: July 24 2011 at 16:07
Eyeing your signature I'd infer that you've never heard of the man. See, he's a chicken farmer.
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Posted By: Seleras
Date Posted: July 25 2011 at 14:33
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ACR - Thanks for the visually stimulating tour of '73-'74. With the recommendations I've been receiving I better start ordering music on Amazon.co.uk and buy everything in bulk. Haha. Alitare - Any good progressive "stations" on XM (aka, do any even exist?) Drew - Of course I do. Who can resist a man that looks like a human/turtle hybrid.
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Posted By: Alitare
Date Posted: July 25 2011 at 15:58
I work for XM, I sell XM, but I never listen. No, there's not a single station with the slightest progressive tendencies. The closest you get is Area, which is solely for trip hop and art dance music like Portishead, Aphex Twin, Massive Attack, and DJ Shadow (I happen to enjoy all these bands immensely, but note I said LIKE these bands, because you only hear these bands once in a month). But hey, you turn on to our fabulous Classic Vinyl and you can have the pleasure of hearing Led Zeppelin's Black Dog three times an hour, on the hour. Hey hey, momma! Or turn to Deep tracks and hear Led Zeppelin's Dazed and confused four times an hour! On our fabulous Classic Rewind you can hear Good Times, Bad Times five times an hour! It's so diverse!
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