Prog Dinosaurs - again
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Topic: Prog Dinosaurs - again
Posted By: Dick Heath
Subject: Prog Dinosaurs - again
Date Posted: June 23 2011 at 08:23
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I couldn't believe my eyes, when yet again when "prog dinosaurs" was part of the wording of a headline found inside (of all newspapers) the London Times on Monday. The related artlcle covered two unheard of bands, reformed for the purpose of one-off appearances this weekend at Glastonbury, and who in fact haven't appeared together since the first Glastonbury festival in the hippy days. Words pertaining to prog(ressive) rock were not used in the main body of the text, so why the headline wording?.
Sorry, any journalist and their editor who resort to such words reveals a distinct case of fossilation IMHO, although we need to bury them under tonnes of rock for several 100s of millenia for this to happen (but at least, out of sight out of mind). ------------- The best eclectic music on the Web,8-11pm BST/GMT THURS. CLICK ON: http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php - http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php Host by PA's Dick Heath. |
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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: June 23 2011 at 08:45
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Yes, it's a lazy association of ideas but not even the Times readership want their casual prejudices undermined by fresh perspectives. ------------- 
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Posted By: Warthur
Date Posted: June 23 2011 at 08:54
| Mainstream media music journalist in "lazy, resorting to tired cliches" shock! |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: June 23 2011 at 09:14
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I get The Times and saw that piece. Very lazy and full of the usual prejudices. It's amazing how journalists love to roll out the same old stereotypes, as if we are still stuck in 1977. ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: June 23 2011 at 11:33
Luckly this usually don't happen around these parts. -------------   
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lazland wrote:Posted By: thehallway
Date Posted: June 23 2011 at 11:46
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I read this in Monday's Times. The band were compared to Beyonce or something...... apples and oranges. But I hadn't heard of them and I still can't remember their name, and if no one on this site can, then who they hell are they gonna play to?
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Posted By: JD
Date Posted: June 23 2011 at 12:17
Being from Canada we certainly didn't see the article here, but if they are referring to a band from that period maybe they feel the need to drag out the same 'ol cliches from then as well. Perhapes it's time we reclaimed the term "dinosaurs" like some other minorities have reclaimed derogatory terms that refereed to them.Think 'larger than life' or 'ruled the earth for thousands of years or 'stood unchallenged by any other species'. Ok, so they were wiped out by a meteor, then only Bruce Willis and his crew could have saved their fragile @sses. Dinosaurs are constantly being resurrected and proudly displayed for all mankind to see. Can't we use that thought process to our advantage? That's the best I can do with it. Anyone else care to help reclaim this much maligned term? ------------- Thank you for supporting independently produced music |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: June 23 2011 at 12:22
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I think in general, especially the media/music critic..is dead. I would not give 2 cents to a newspaper/magazine music critic. Their main purpose is to create controversy so as to sell subscriptions......using words and phrases that do not make any sense and usually when "reviewing" a concert, they end up straying from the topic and go off on some weird tangent about society and music and what not. I mean I really do not care about the audience, who was there and what "type" of audience it is/was......I don't go to concerts to see the audience.
The bloggers and reviews for example on sites like PA, to me carry much more viable weight than a magazine or newspaper article. Its all about the music and live performance.........That's all I care about. -------------   
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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: June 23 2011 at 12:36
Post of 2011  ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: June 23 2011 at 12:52
^ Aw shucks...thanks lazy  -------------
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: June 23 2011 at 12:52
| rawr |
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: June 23 2011 at 13:07
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Dinosaurs are the most awesome being that have ever walked this called marbled ball called earth, and prog is also nice, so if prog is compared to the most awesome beings then i don't think that is to bad of a nick name, i like to listen to the Tyranosaurus that is called King Crimson rex -------------  
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: June 23 2011 at 13:09
| In the words of Edmund Blackadder: "''Beau Brummel in purple pants probe.' King talks to tree. Phew what a loony!' God, the Times has really gone downhill recently, hasn't it..." (Blackadder the Third, ep. Amy and Amiability). |
Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: June 23 2011 at 13:47
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I have never seen Prog mentioned anywhere in the news near me, so luckily I don't have to deal with such claptrap. ------------- http://ow.ly/8ymqg" rel="nofollow">  
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: June 23 2011 at 15:21
yep we much prefer 1973
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Posted By: Siloportem
Date Posted: June 23 2011 at 15:26
Could not agree more to this. I remember reading an article about The Bedlam in Goliath in a regular (free) newspaper. All they talked about was the whole "evil spirit" story. The music wasn't ever mentioned anywhere, not how it sounded, nothing. After reading that article you would not know anything new about TMV's music. Imagine the surpise when people bought it based on that article.  ------------- Thanks !! Your topics always so good and informative. I like you talk. |
Posted By: The Willow Farmer
Date Posted: June 23 2011 at 18:07
Even After listening to all 5 TMV albums many times each, I still don't know anything about their music. I love Omar and Cedric's work, but trying to describe it is nothing short of futile.
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Posted By: King Crimson776
Date Posted: June 23 2011 at 20:46
I like this idea, hell, King Crimson even wrote a song about what Dinosaurs they were by the time the 90's reared its ugly head (likely they were making fun of the term itself as well).
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Posted By: JD
Date Posted: June 25 2011 at 14:50
Absolutely, as mentioned by some above, for the most part critics are full of hot air so why not take the wind out of their sails by turning the term on it's head and removing their ability to use it negatively. If only we (proggers) had a man on the inside who could start using terms like 'majestic dinosaurs of prog' or 'legendary dinosaurs' then maybe those fart balloons would begin to avoid it altogether. ------------- Thank you for supporting independently produced music |
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: June 25 2011 at 15:16
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I remember my (Belgian) high quality (?) newspaper state in an overview article about rock: "from some genres we wish they had never been invented, like progressive rock".
Note: with "we" they meant "the audience, the reader, Everyman"! They meant: everyone with sense in his head would dislike prog.
Why do I pay my good money on a newspaper which tells such nonsense? |
Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: June 25 2011 at 15:44
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Dick is having his mornng coffee while reading the paper.
"Bahraini protestors given life sentences" *yawns* "Syrian massacre continues as troops fire on mourners at funeral" *takes a sip of coffee* "Some prog bands have been around for a very long time and aren't all that relevant to the current music scene" *spits out coffee" I SHALL WRITE A LETTER AT ONCE |
Posted By: The Neck Romancer
Date Posted: June 25 2011 at 15:53
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Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: June 25 2011 at 16:04
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: June 25 2011 at 16:32
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Textbook FTW
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Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: June 25 2011 at 18:04
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: June 25 2011 at 23:26
The moral: don't be a Dick. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: Siloportem
Date Posted: June 26 2011 at 02:40
------------- Thanks !! Your topics always so good and informative. I like you talk. |
Posted By: Kashmir75
Date Posted: June 26 2011 at 03:09
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It's funny how Yes, ELP, Crimson, etc are 'greedy old men' when they go out on tour. And yet the likes of the Pistols, Magazine, etc are so edgy and 'punk' when they do the same thing. The first punks are a bunch of old dinosaurs as well. ------------- Hello, mirror. So glad to see you, my friend. It's been a while... |
Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: June 26 2011 at 08:44
I don't know for Magazine (they have reformed?), but I remember that the '96 tour of the Sex Pistols had been received with suspicion by some critics - even the ones who supported the band back in 1977. Anyway, we should also consider something never mentioned in this forum: who wrote the articles? We're talking about the newspapers, the magazines (no pun intended), but it would be interesting to know who are the authors of the said articles. In the same newspapers, you can have a twenty-something fond of free jazz and a sixty-something who never accepted it; you can have a fifty-something who still loves his prog-rock symphonic and virtuoso and a thirty-something who thinks that rock should always sound like the Rolling Stones, U2 or the Clash. Moreover, I'm not exactly sure the non-specialized magazines or daily newspapers have the best critics. For example: - When I wake up, I turn on the TV and watch the French TV show "Télématin": they have a young critic whose chronicle, without being overwhelming, is some solid stuff. But, when discussing the records or the artists, the main presentator is... such a pain in the neck... |
Posted By: thehallway
Date Posted: June 26 2011 at 14:31
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Everyone who's big will be a dinosaur as soon as they aren't big. I don't think it's ever been unique to prog. ------------- http://www.thefreshfilmblog.com/" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: QuestionableScum
Date Posted: June 26 2011 at 16:02
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Whenever I scroll past this thread I start singing Dinosaur by King Crimson...... I don't know if I should feel ashamed or proud in some disturbed way. |
Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: June 28 2011 at 09:06
Your are indeed right. Even Frank Sinatra was called a dinosaur when he made a come back in the 90s.
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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: July 01 2011 at 05:09
Tell me where you started your thread on middle eastern uprisings etc. and I'll more than happy to endorse it with my own input (have seen some of the early rumblings of unrest by various faction in KSA). In meanwhile, being a prog site I write about prog and related matter - but if you want I could draw parallels with restrictive 30's regimes applying thought control, e.g. through book-burning. ------------- The best eclectic music on the Web,8-11pm BST/GMT THURS. CLICK ON: http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php - http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php Host by PA's Dick Heath. |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: July 01 2011 at 05:11
Nor with the fairies dark elf? ------------- The best eclectic music on the Web,8-11pm BST/GMT THURS. CLICK ON: http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php - http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php Host by PA's Dick Heath. |
Posted By: thehallway
Date Posted: July 01 2011 at 10:02
Posted By: Icarium Date Posted: July 01 2011 at 11:43
Posted By: dave-the-rave Date Posted: July 11 2011 at 09:29
Posted By: CPicard Date Posted: July 11 2011 at 12:18
Posted By: thehallway Date Posted: July 11 2011 at 14:02
Posted By: prog4evr Date Posted: July 14 2011 at 23:32
Posted By: brainstormer Date Posted: July 17 2011 at 00:46
Posted By: Big Ears Date Posted: July 18 2011 at 10:10
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I love it when this double quoting thing happens! 
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