You can never trust the British.
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Topic: You can never trust the British.
Posted By: Man Overboard
Subject: You can never trust the British.
Date Posted: June 20 2005 at 00:05
PT's remake of Fadeaway signifies everything I don't like about their current iteration...  Edit: To elaborate: I first got into Porcupine Tree in 1999, when I found a copy of Up The Downstair at a record shop. It seemed unique, so I thought I would give it a try. It was amazing... and Small Fish/Burning Sky/Fadeaway is still one of my favorite album closers. As of late, PT's had far too little spacy exploration, far too much alt-rock. Now, I don't mind alt-rock in my prog, but I dislike it when it wasn't there to begin with and creeps in like a tumor later on. So when I heard that PT was doing Fadeaway on tour again, I was excited. I read they did it on the XM2 disc, so I got ahold of that... ...  Who is this guy
singing? Why does it hurt my ears? The song itself remains
basically unchanged, but the VOCALS are something awful... it
would be like having Captain Beefheart sing Golden Slumbers or Jon
Anderson singing Bobby Brown Goes Down, some songs just do not need a
vastly different vocalist on it, especially when it's not even a
cover... if this is how they wish this song to be
remembered...  ------------- https://soundcloud.com/erin-susan-jennings" rel="nofollow - Bedroom guitarist". Composer, Arranger, Producer. Perfection may not exist, but I may still choose to serve Perfection. Commissions considered. |
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Posted By: Retrovertigo
Date Posted: June 20 2005 at 00:09
| What's wrong with the British? There's Monty Python and Trouserpress! |
Posted By: Man Overboard
Date Posted: June 20 2005 at 00:13
 There's nothing wrong with the
British... a friend of mine said that phrase in regards to Steven
Wilson waxing his back or something, and it stuck with me...
------------- https://soundcloud.com/erin-susan-jennings" rel="nofollow - Bedroom guitarist". Composer, Arranger, Producer. Perfection may not exist, but I may still choose to serve Perfection. Commissions considered. |
Posted By: Nipsey88
Date Posted: June 20 2005 at 01:10
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Dunno what to tell you, saw 'em play it last month in D.C. and thought
it was fantastic. I guess it comes down to personal taste, but I found
John Wesley to be a nice vocal addition to the band.
------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Nipsey88/?chartstyle=myspace02" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: felona
Date Posted: June 20 2005 at 02:12
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Ahem!!! I may live in Australia but I AM BRITISH !!!!!!!!!!
------------- I was never really sure what I was waiting for. When the moment came I was looking away ...... The Church "After Everything Now This" |
Posted By: nacho
Date Posted: June 20 2005 at 03:30
OK, thanks for telling us, we won't trust you!
------------- Eppur si muove |
felona wrote:Posted By: Yanns
Date Posted: June 20 2005 at 12:22
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Posted By: Man Overboard
Date Posted: June 20 2005 at 12:32
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I don't actually have anything against the British...
------------- https://soundcloud.com/erin-susan-jennings" rel="nofollow - Bedroom guitarist". Composer, Arranger, Producer. Perfection may not exist, but I may still choose to serve Perfection. Commissions considered. |
Posted By: SomethingGood
Date Posted: June 20 2005 at 12:43
i'm British, and i would have to agree, we can't be trusted, infact we're all complete assholes! 
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Posted By: Paradox
Date Posted: June 20 2005 at 12:46
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Some of us are anyway. Vast populations of certain regions of the country ------------- 
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Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: June 20 2005 at 13:05
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Don't go all soft on us, you started this thread, you chose the title, now stand up for yourself against your untrustworthy transatlantic forebears. Anyway, you're absolutely right, we're not to be trusted an inch. ------------- 'Like so many of you I've got my doubts about how much to contribute to the already rich among us...' Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom |
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: June 20 2005 at 13:46
I thought that was just Scousers? ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: bluetailfly
Date Posted: June 20 2005 at 14:44
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Porcupine Tree remakes one song and you impugn an entire nation of people! Wow, dude, maybe Porcupine Tree isn't your biggest problem right now! ------------- "The red polygon's only desire / is to get to the blue triangle." |
Posted By: Salmacis72
Date Posted: June 20 2005 at 17:02
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LMAO!!! Excellent description. Either of those would be painful! ------------- 
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Posted By: limeyrob
Date Posted: June 20 2005 at 17:25
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British, British, British, British, British, British, US, US, British, US, British, British, British, US, British, British, British, British, Canada, British, British, British, British, British, British, British, British, British, British, US, British, British, British, British, British, British, British, British, British, British, British, British, British, British, Canada, British, Dutch, British, Swedish, British.
Ring any bells?
Look at the top 50. We may not be trusted but we make some damn good music.
US = one band only Canada = one band only |
Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: June 20 2005 at 17:29
And cake... we make quite good cake. |
Posted By: Drachen Theaker
Date Posted: June 20 2005 at 17:30
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I'm half British and half Irish so each half of me mistrusts the other ------------- "It's 1973, almost dinnertime and I'm 'aving 'oops!" - Gene Hunt |
Posted By: Paradox
Date Posted: June 20 2005 at 17:50
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Lol! brilliant. -------------
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Posted By: Drachen Theaker
Date Posted: June 20 2005 at 17:57
Thanks awfully old chap/Tanx a million yer man Paradox! ------------- "It's 1973, almost dinnertime and I'm 'aving 'oops!" - Gene Hunt |
Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: June 20 2005 at 18:05
And the seventh biggest manufacturer of those funny shaped plastic things you find in the back of cameras is British, let's not forget that. Well, the factory's in Britain anyway. ------------- 'Like so many of you I've got my doubts about how much to contribute to the already rich among us...' Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom |
Posted By: Paradox
Date Posted: June 20 2005 at 18:13
Chelsea Buns! -------------
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Posted By: felona
Date Posted: June 20 2005 at 21:51
I say old chap, what I should have said was ... you're absolutely jolly well right old bean ... well, would you trust a Brit posing as an Aussie doubling as a bearded Polish female athelete thinly disguised as Steve Hackett pretending to be a Prog lover ... I think not good man, what?? ------------- I was never really sure what I was waiting for. When the moment came I was looking away ...... The Church "After Everything Now This" |
Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: June 20 2005 at 21:57
well you can say that you're an Aussie doubling as a bearded Polish female athelete thinly disguised as Steve Hackett pretending to be a Prog lover, but since you're a british lassie, I will not take your word for it. ------------- I'm always almost unlucky _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Id5ZcnjXSZaSMFMC Id5LM2q2jfqz3YxT |
Posted By: felona
Date Posted: June 20 2005 at 22:33
Victoria Sandwich ... Eccles cakes ... Gingerbread Men ------------- I was never really sure what I was waiting for. When the moment came I was looking away ...... The Church "After Everything Now This" |
Posted By: Hangedman
Date Posted: June 24 2005 at 17:49
| Personally I love alt rock, and new PT is exactly that... big deal its still good just not 100% prog. |
Posted By: Jools
Date Posted: June 27 2005 at 08:00
and probably brew the best beer. ------------- Ridicule is the burden of genius. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: July 30 2005 at 20:08
| I'm not British, but Scottish, but anyway the US has given the world so much crap in music and war, and numpty Presidents. |
Posted By: AfanSpur
Date Posted: July 30 2005 at 20:36
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And don't forget the sumptous Faggots that we eat! ------------- There stands Olias to outward to build a ship Holding within all we hope to retain The frame will be so built to challenge the universe Clasped with the skins of the fish of the plain |
Posted By: KoS
Date Posted: July 30 2005 at 20:40
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the British forced the pilgrims on America. Now the US will be ruled by fundamentalist Christians forever. Damn them!!!!! |
Posted By: cobb
Date Posted: July 30 2005 at 21:20
| Check out the John Cleese link I put in 'Just For Fun' forum |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: July 30 2005 at 21:32
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the british are silly. why would they go to such trouble of setting up a colony only to get greedy with the taxes and have said colony revolt and completely screw over the mother country. it's just like my grandfather once said to me: "coffee is for people who think that drinking tea makes them look like new age yoga bastards." ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: July 30 2005 at 21:38
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Posted By: felona
Date Posted: July 30 2005 at 23:03
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... and there's Black Adder and The Office ... The League of Gentlemen ... Harry Enfield .. and One Foot in the Grave ... Britcom is the BEST ------------- I was never really sure what I was waiting for. When the moment came I was looking away ...... The Church "After Everything Now This" |
Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: July 31 2005 at 02:37
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First off.. you were listening to a live version of Fadeaway... and it was sung by John Wesley, who plays guitar with PT on the road. I've heard him do that song live, and personally didn't find it to be that bad. Second, since when did anything live sound just like the studio version... and who are you to question Steven Wilson's taste. He likes the way Wes sings it. Also I really like the direction in which PT have headed lately. Deadwing is now my second favorite PT album behind In Absentia. I prefer them a little harder.. and less spacey. But if you don't like Deadwing.. you'll probably love their next album, since last I saw Mr. Wilson he was buying some obscure heavy metal albums and the Godspeed You Black Emperor cd... ------------- THIS IS ELP 
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Posted By: Man Overboard
Date Posted: July 31 2005 at 02:39
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Meh, threefates, it's not about live things sounding the same as the
studio version. I'm all for improvisation and changes. I just didn't fancy the guy's vocals on that track, the first PT song I ever fell in love with. I do like Deadwing, though not as much as their older stuff.  ------------- https://soundcloud.com/erin-susan-jennings" rel="nofollow - Bedroom guitarist". Composer, Arranger, Producer. Perfection may not exist, but I may still choose to serve Perfection. Commissions considered. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: August 01 2005 at 19:01
| I live in Britain....but i'm Scottish first and foremost. |
Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: August 01 2005 at 19:06
Too bloody right it is! Americans wouldn't know good comedy if it stood naked in the doorway and begged them to make love to it. |
Posted By: SomethingGood
Date Posted: August 01 2005 at 20:13
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The first thing American's do when they see a great British comedy is say "that's great, let's see how we can butcher it!" A perfect example is the US version of The Office. But there were also US versions of Red Dwarf and Coupling which were so bad I couldn't believe it. Why bother trying to mess with perfection? it was quite obvious from the start that you'll never be able to top those shows. |
Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: August 01 2005 at 20:15
No but I would know a hot blonde if she stood naked in the doorway and begged me to make love to her. In the end, which is the more important to know? ------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you? |
Posted By: Man Overboard
Date Posted: August 01 2005 at 20:45
A good comedy can't get you the Clap. 
------------- https://soundcloud.com/erin-susan-jennings" rel="nofollow - Bedroom guitarist". Composer, Arranger, Producer. Perfection may not exist, but I may still choose to serve Perfection. Commissions considered. |
Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: August 01 2005 at 20:48
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^^ That's why you don't do it with skanky women. As a comedian once said (a good portion of this is bleeped out for the sake of the children) "If you don't trust the p**sy, why are you f**king the p**sy?" Besides the Clap had some pretty good guitar work. ------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you? |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: August 02 2005 at 00:22
That's why me and my wife are Britcom addicts and have been for around the last 15 years. ------------- |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: August 02 2005 at 00:26
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We are Red Dwarf addicts in my household.Have all 8 seasons on VHS and 1-6 on DVD and are RABID in our love and devotion for that show.We recently got our hands on the pilot episode of the American version and it was an absolute travesty.Bad beyond belief. We watch a lot of Coupling too and when they showed it here in America(the American version),we didn't even bother to watch because we new it would SUCK,And it did. ------------- |