Yes vs. ELP
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Topic: Yes vs. ELP
Posted By: MattGuitat
Subject: Yes vs. ELP
Date Posted: April 18 2011 at 20:38
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Yes Yes kept going after the seventies and made each record to the fullest of their ability. ELP sometimes were very lazy on trying to fill up their albums. I love both, but Yes was always just better, at least to me.
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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: April 18 2011 at 20:48
Obviously Yes. Relayer is one of my favorite albums ever, where as ELP has none on my list. 
Also, welcome.
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Posted By: Slaughternalia
Date Posted: April 18 2011 at 21:10
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I like Tarkus (the song), and The Endless Enigma more than anything Yes did, but Yes is far more consistent in quality. So I choose Yes.
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Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: April 18 2011 at 21:28
| Yes for consistency and variety. ELP were great, but lost a bit of creativity after Trilogy, even though they had good albums, but nothing remarkable. |
Posted By: Adams Bolero
Date Posted: April 18 2011 at 21:32
Where is the poll? ------------- ''Nobody realizes that some people expend tremendous energy merely to be normal.'' - Albert Camus |
Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: April 18 2011 at 21:33
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He's still a "newbie" by forum standards, so he can't make polls/vote in them yet. Yes. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Salty_Jon" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Adams Bolero
Date Posted: April 18 2011 at 21:38
------------- ''Nobody realizes that some people expend tremendous energy merely to be normal.'' - Albert Camus |
SaltyJon wrote:Posted By: MrEdifus
Date Posted: April 18 2011 at 21:42
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Overall I'm going to have to go with Yes for consistency. Although some of ELP's highlights I like more than Yes's.
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: April 18 2011 at 21:46
| ELP has some really outstanding songs and no album which I like in it's whole, while Yes has even more outstanding songs and 2 albums that are among my very favourites. Besides, in their best, Yes had 5 of the best musicians on prog, while ELP only had 3. So, my choice is Yes, by far. |
Posted By: StarMan2112
Date Posted: April 18 2011 at 22:14
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Yes is just a more consisent band with more consistent albums and music, so i choose Yes........ how do i stop being a forum newbie ------------- I didn't say i was going to jump, I Jumped - Charly Garcia |
Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: April 18 2011 at 22:22
Get 40 posts  And I'll say Yes, again. ELP would be slaughtered if there was a poll  ------------- http://ow.ly/8ymqg" rel="nofollow">  
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Posted By: VanVanVan
Date Posted: April 18 2011 at 22:35
I think you summed it up pretty well.  ELP has some phenomenal stuff, but they just don't have the consistency (in my opinion) that Yes had at their peak.------------- "The meaning of life is to give life meaning."-Arjen Lucassen |
Posted By: TheGazzardian
Date Posted: April 18 2011 at 22:37
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Yes is one of my all time favorite bands, got me into prog, and I own 23 of their albums, 22 of which I enjoy. (I'm looking at you, Open Your Eyes!) ELP never really astounded me. I didn't even really enjoy Tarkus.
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: April 18 2011 at 22:41
A pity too, a poll pitting these two progressive giants against each other would have been mindblowing. |
Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: April 18 2011 at 22:42
I know, I'm surprised no one else had yet!  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Salty_Jon" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: April 18 2011 at 22:52
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Yes for me. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: April 18 2011 at 23:22
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I'm at a loss here...ELP had a great debut record that I really enjoy, followed by a whole slew of unmemorable and downright putrescent albums. Yes is far more consistent, but I don't really like any of their albums enough to listen to them regularly. I will go with ELP, because I think that Greg Lake is a better singer than Jon Anderson. |
Posted By: The Wrinkler
Date Posted: April 19 2011 at 00:19
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^ I agree with your Yes comment! I like ELP more, or at least I listen to them a lot more than Yes. |
Posted By: Billy Pilgrim
Date Posted: April 19 2011 at 00:30
| I find most of ELPs catalog to be very uninteresting. Yes is okay though, I don't really listen to either one much these days. |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: April 19 2011 at 00:42
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YES
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Posted By: Heathcliffe
Date Posted: April 19 2011 at 00:44
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YES - but I also like ELP. had they become a combined band they would have been awesome.
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Posted By: Misomex777
Date Posted: April 19 2011 at 00:46
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It depends on whether you smoke columbian or jamaican before you listen to either one Yes is more cosmic, ELP is more technical, neither band lacks skill instrumentally speaking. I think it comes down to consistency (Yes) or the better vocalist (Greg Lake)........Yes wins!
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: April 19 2011 at 01:24
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Both bands were very popular when I was at school in the seventies with the big rivalry between Wakeman and Emerson helping to crank things up. Keith had a cool motorbike as well!
ELP was the first band I got serious about and they are still my favourite. Admittedly you can pretty much write off everything they did after Works Volume One which was their natural end as a band but up to that point they produced a series of challenging and interesting albums that were amongst the best of the genre (no matter what the 'miseries' around here otherwise think). For a prog band they were very extrovert and of course indulged in all the rock star excess that was going. If they had been a heavy metal band no one would have batted an eyelid but I guess this sort of behaviour is not allowed for a prog band.
Yes on the other hand never appealed to me as a kid. Their music seemed very ordinary compared to ELP and by the time they had got to Tormato they had become a full blown parody of a prog band. My general lack of interest in them continued even when I was in my late 30's until I finally saw them live and then my attitude changed. Seeing them perform And You And I and various classics on stage brought their music to life. Suddenly I got it.I've now seen them live more times than any other band. Close To The Edge is now probably my favourite prog album.
So which band? Well its not completely fair to compare.Between 1970 and 1977 Yes comprised
Jon Anderson
Patrick Moraz
Chris Squire
Rick Wakeman
Alan White
Bill Bruford
Steve Howe
Tony Kaye
Peter Banks
Quite an array of talent
ELP was just ELP
The line up changes in Yes undoubtedly helped them move forward and develop.
ELP had to find that change within.
Take A Pebble
Tarkus
Trilogy
Toccata
Pirates
5 completely different tracks that show just how talented and creative a band they were.
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Posted By: akaBona
Date Posted: April 19 2011 at 02:49
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YES. Average Yes material beats top ELP material easily. ELP has nothing equal if you think timeline from Yes Album to Going For The One. And still there are lots of Yes albums after that which are much much better than any ELP effort, Union and Magnification just to name few. |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: April 19 2011 at 02:50
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Yes had an almost unbroken series of outstanding albums:
The Yes Album - Fragile - Close to the Edge - Tales from Topographic Oceans - Relayer - Going for the One
Emerson, Lake & Palmer:
Emerson, Lake & Palmer - Tarkus - Pictures at an Exhibition - Trilogy - Brain Salad Surgery
So I would vote for Yes, but the difference is not too great. ------------- 
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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: April 19 2011 at 02:56
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The two biggest keyboardists of the 70s plus two of the most distinctive singers and two fantastic drummers....YES had more good albums and some Steve Howe more, but both the bands are excellent (btw I'm currently listening to After Crying. They sound very ELP and I like them mainly for this reason). ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: akaBona
Date Posted: April 19 2011 at 02:58
Nice to see you "highlighted" my Yes favourite TFTO |
Posted By: Deleuze
Date Posted: April 19 2011 at 08:31
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I vote for Yes cause of these: TFTO, CTTE and TYA ------------- 
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Posted By: Prog Geo
Date Posted: April 19 2011 at 08:34
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Yes! Sometimes Elp become very technical.
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: April 19 2011 at 08:59
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Yes. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: digdug
Date Posted: April 19 2011 at 09:35
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A whole lot of Both !! Couldn't really choose one over the other. ------------- Prog On! |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: April 19 2011 at 12:15
| Voting for Yes |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 19 2011 at 12:18
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Emerson Lake and Palmer ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Philius Maximus
Date Posted: April 19 2011 at 12:36
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Good question! It's funny, when I was in my teens, ELP were my absolute favourite and Yes were just ok with me, but these days I'm much more likely to be listening to Yes. I think it's because nowadays (generally speaking) ELP sound a bit soulless by comparison. I do still love the Trilogy album and Tarkus has it's moments. Unfortunately they've also made some HORRIBLE records - Love Beach, Works Vol2 anybody? So....Yes for me! |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: April 19 2011 at 14:18
What do you class as 'average Yes material'?
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Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: April 19 2011 at 14:28
As to my vote: Yes, Yes, a thousand times Yes. And yes, I do like ELP. ------------- The world of sound is certainly capable of infinite variety and, were our sense developed, of infinite extensions. -- George Santayana, "The Sense of Beauty" |
Posted By: silverpot
Date Posted: April 19 2011 at 14:33
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ELP. I've never been much of a Yes fan actually, mainly because of Jon Anderson's voice. It gets on my nerves. |
Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: April 19 2011 at 15:15
| Easy--YES---ELP were always hit or miss for me ---too pompous---dated---not timeless---plus--no HOWE. |
Posted By: akaBona
Date Posted: April 19 2011 at 16:30
Average Yes is something like Union, Tormato, Talk, Open Your Eyes, 90125 and Ladder. Below average is Drama and Big Generator. I don't even own these albums. First 2 albums are very dear to me, but I usually count The Yes Album the first real Yes music. Last one ie. Magnification is terrific piece of Yes music. |
Posted By: TheLionOfPrague
Date Posted: April 19 2011 at 17:09
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ELP. From ELP to BSSS is awesome. ------------- I shook my head and smiled a whisper knowing all about the place |
Posted By: kawkaw123
Date Posted: April 20 2011 at 07:45
| YES. ELP just wanted to show off. |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: April 20 2011 at 14:25
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Posted By: jean-marie
Date Posted: April 20 2011 at 15:40
| I love both bands but there so much differences between , can't vote need Tarkus and Trilogy as weel as Fragile and CTTE |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: April 21 2011 at 01:38
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Thought I would look at the ratings of the albums on this site.
The results:
1. Yes - Close To The Edge 4.63
2. Yes - Fragile 4.39
3. Yes - Relayer 4.32
4. Yes - Yessongs 4.27
5. Yes - The Yes Album 4.23
6. ELP - Emerson,Lake and Palmer 4.20
7. ELP - Welcome Back My Friends... 4.12
8. ELP - Brain Salad Surgery 4.09
9. Yes - Keys To Ascension 4.06
10.Yes - Going For The One 4.04
11.ELP - Trilogy 4.03
12 ELP - Tarkus 3.99
13 Yes - Keys To Ascension 2 3.93
14.Yes - Tales From Topographic Oceans 3.86
15.ELP - Pictures At An Exhibition 3.83
16.Yes - Magnification 3.82
17.Yes - Drama 3.75
18 Yes - Keystudio 3.59
19.Yes - The Ladder 3.36
20.ELP - Emerson,Lake and Powell 3.23
21.Yes - Time and A Word 3.20
22.Yes - Yes 3.17
23 Yes - Talk 3.07
after that there is nothing with a reasonable number of ratings that gets over 3.
Yes have 16 albums with decent ratings compared to 7 by ELP. Yes have the top 6 although ELP have the next 3 spots.Certainly demsonstrates Yes superiority over ELP over their entire careers. Yes best albums beat ELP's best albums. Yes second best albums beat (well slaughter) ELP second best albums.
The ratings for ELP albums fall off the end of a cliff after 1974 with only Emerson.Lake and Powell achieving over 3. Presumably the line up change helped refresh ELP ,something Yes did on a regular basis.
As an ELP fan I'm not too suprised at any of this. ELP were always likely to be shortlived. 3 peice bands are usually volatile with too much of the creative input usually having to come from just one or two people. Rush have managed to buck the trend somewhat thanks to the amazing Neil Peart. Carl Palmer (bless him) was just a drummer. When Emerson ran out of inspiration and ideas ELP died.
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Posted By: giselle
Date Posted: April 23 2011 at 05:32
| Unfair to compare. Two bands from the same early stages of the genre, both with something to offer that was different from each other, both outstanding in their field. I personally couldn't choose between them in terms of who's best, it's like asking which of your children you prefer. |
Posted By: jean-marie
Date Posted: April 23 2011 at 05:49
 i feel always the same as you through these various polls, it's like the question about the island, kind of choose 10 albums you would bring with you on an island, why would i go with 10 records,on an island ( where, probably, ther's no electricity)
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Posted By: brainstormer
Date Posted: April 23 2011 at 06:47
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Yeah, I wouldn't want to make a comparison. Both have given me an incredible amount of edification.
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Posted By: TheLastBaron
Date Posted: April 24 2011 at 00:25
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I love both bands. Brain Salad Surgery, Trakus, Trilogy and self titled are all steller ElP albums. The Yes Album, Fragile, Close to the Edge, Relayer are all great, I haven't listed to tales in its entirety yet. I would say that overall I like Yes more but I really enjoy both bands for different reasons. I will say that I prefer Bruford over Palmer though.
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Posted By: resurrection
Date Posted: April 24 2011 at 01:42
| Yes for me. More range and colour than ELP. Would be interesting to compare Emerson and Wakeman though. |
Posted By: esky
Date Posted: May 17 2011 at 11:06
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ELP knew when to throw in the towel while we are still beleaguered by the many versions of Yes assaulting us on a nearly every-two-year cycle (especially enjoyable though was 2001's Wakeman-less edition promoting Magnification - even Jon Anderson had the cajones to tell the audience at the Hollywood Bowl that the band hadn't performed with each other for quite some time, but they carried on regardless and played a great show riddled with key tunes from their catalog). |
Posted By: Alitare
Date Posted: May 17 2011 at 11:40
| I'll take my Yes, thank you. ELP just didn't know a good melody from a hole in the ground. Yes knew a good melody froma hole in the ground some of the tiiiime. |
Posted By: giselle
Date Posted: May 17 2011 at 11:47
| Yes to that, sort of. |
Posted By: Repner
Date Posted: May 17 2011 at 15:16
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I'll have to agree with the majority here. I love ELP, but they seem to have some songs I would consider filler (not counting side B of Tarkus. That was supposed to be filler). With Yes I can listen to any 70's era album and enjoy all the way through
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Posted By: dasa
Date Posted: June 26 2011 at 13:50
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ELP song "The Barbarian" is one of my favoruite prog songs and i really love ELP and stupid to say but i love more solos of Keith Emerson than Rick Wakeman's (they are both masters of their domain) but Yes have somehow stronger albums can't describe this feeling, so i vote for Yes. P.S. both bands at my top list ------------- "I am not frightened of dying. Any time will do: I don't mind. Why should I be frightened of dying? There's no reason for it — you've got to go sometime" |
Posted By: QuestionableScum
Date Posted: June 26 2011 at 15:51
This is more or less what I think. |
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: June 26 2011 at 17:54
| I love both bands, but there are more Yes albums that I like than ELP albums. |
Posted By: Garion81
Date Posted: June 26 2011 at 23:01
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I do like both and both are instrumental to the development of this sort of progressive rock music.. With Yes I sometimes find a sameness to the music and I am turned off to Steve Howe's guitar sound (not his playing he is brilliant of course) ELP explored way more styles of music and were not afraid to spread it out and improvise. Yes can bore me at times where i have never had that issue with ELP. Yes has a more prolific output and if that is the criteria then they would win hands down but if the issue is what do I grab to listen to first ELP wins hands down.
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Posted By: ghost_of_morphy
Date Posted: June 27 2011 at 14:38
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Posted By: criticdrummer94
Date Posted: June 27 2011 at 23:17
| I may be a minority on this but i prefer ELP just because I enjoy their good albums more than Yes IMO but Yes is still a great band |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: June 28 2011 at 00:21
^^^ This. Musically they're so different it's hard to compare. White/Bruford and Palmer? Totally different. If you bring up Cozy Powell, then many his and Alan's styles may have some overlap. Bass playing is even farther apart. Vocals? There is no comparison. It'd be like comparing Ozzy and Paul Simon. The keyboards are where you could discuss a few things. Lots of great synth work. Emerson's piano style is notably bluesy, Wakey's is anything but. And on and on! Can't we just enjoy both bands? ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: jean-marie
Date Posted: June 28 2011 at 01:36
| Trilogy, Tarkus and the debut are the best of ELP (imho) the one with Powel is a good album too,but it'a fact that Yes released many more good albums........ |
Posted By: leadsynt
Date Posted: June 28 2011 at 11:13
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Two big names of ProgRock ... I prefer YES. I guess also that YES could better be compared to Genesis or King Crimson, rather than to ELP. I love ELP, I consider them great performers and arrangers but not as great as composers. When it comes to work on the music written by someone else (some classic composer for ex.) ELP do their job in a stunning, original way. But when they have to write original music and give it the form of a progressive song (or suite) they sound in many cases rather dull (Pirates could be a cure for people who can't sleep at night ), probably they confuse complicated with interesting music ... moreover I have the impression that Lake didn't have much fanstasy about what melodic lines to sing over Emerson's music (probably it was really a hard task). I have got everything of YES discography, they're my favourite band... but Keith Emerson has more imagination and more freedom than Rick Wakeman, who is the perfect classical musician applied to Rock. I would choose Keith as organist and improviser and Rick as pianist and composer. Chris Squire is the number 1 progressive rock bass player, and both Bruford and White to me are better than Palmer. Jon Anderson has a better voice than Greg Lake (Greg has lost most of his vocal talent) even though I love the acoustic ballads by Lake. Anyway, to reconcile both, I am an ASIA fan too ...  |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: June 28 2011 at 16:07
While I like the same, that's a pretty good way to look at it. Too bad Keith hasn't released more material on his own apart from ELP. KEB with Marc Bonilla is great. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: June 28 2011 at 16:07
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I meant to write "while I like them the same," etc. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: June 29 2011 at 01:54
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Keith Emerson is actually a very talented composer. Comparing to Rick Wakeman I don't find anything he has done is inferior to Rick except Six Wives which is a masterpeice. Keith solo albums includes some excellent film soundtrack work. I watched a bit of Nighthawks the other day and there is a section where Sly Stallone is chasing the bad guy through the New York underground and the music is brilliant. You can find this on Emerson At The Movies which a 3 cd collection including his film work with Dario Argento and a few other films including Japanese animation. Would have liked to gave found the peice I referered to above but this was virtually the only thing I could find off Nighthawks. Brilliant theme though. |
Posted By: jean-marie
Date Posted: June 29 2011 at 04:10
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Posted By: esky
Date Posted: June 30 2011 at 11:53
| Saw an adequate Clint Eastwood-produced documentary on Dave Brubeck, and lo and behold, Mr. Emerson showed up in praise of the musician. "Bluesy" is a fine way to describe Keith's style, and Mr. Wakeman rarely pursued that line when playing Yes music. These are two bands that are hard to compare and quite possibly shouldn't be. They both brought something unique and extraordinary to the table. |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: June 30 2011 at 14:33
I very much like that way of thinking
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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: June 30 2011 at 19:22
That's an excellent that collects pretty much all (or nearly all) of Emo's film score work. I also have the Godzilla: Final Wars CD which has Emo's music along with tracks by a couple Japanese synthesists. Their music's also good, more like Synergy. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: June 30 2011 at 19:31
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Yes Simply because I enjoy them more. |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: June 30 2011 at 21:56
Actually, Six Wives is the only Rick album I have heard and I didn't like that one all that much either. In Yes, Squire and Anderson contributed more in terms of composing. Yes were just a more balanced lineup which is kind of inevitable with a five piece instead of a power trio.
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: July 01 2011 at 00:57
Six Wives is imo a very powerfull instrumental work.Rick admittedly wasn't entirely satisfied with only because he intended the tracks to be longer but for some reason (presumably record company intervention) they were clipped. But there are some of the best melodies and themes Rick ever composed on that album and the contribution of great musicians such as Chas Cronk and Bill Bruford adds another dimension. The other Rick Wakeman album I really like is Myths and Legends which also has some very strong material. I never got what was good about Journey though which was the other of his very successfull trilogy of solo releases. Like Keith ,Rick's career ran off the rails mainly because of personal issues and the general shift away from proggy /instrumental stuff that occured in the post punk music scene.
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: July 01 2011 at 01:00
The Godzilla Wars music (Emerson's that is ) is very good. Sounds very much like Vangelis to my ears which is not a bad thing!
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: July 01 2011 at 21:55
Indeed, Six Wives is a magnificent album, 5 stars for me. I believe the songs ended up being shorter than Wakeman intended because they wouldn't fit in an LP, and that's the reason Wakeman didn't include his intended song for King Henry himself. Though the live release of that album at Hampton Court, with orchestra, does include much longer versions of his songs, plus the Henry song, plus an intro and a closer... this release may be even better than the original (or at least very close). Oh, and about the musicians on the original 6 wives, don't forget Alan White, he gives an awsome performance on Anne of Cleves (if I remember the name of the song correctly). A fun fact about this album is when Wakeman showed it to the record company, he had just about completed it, but they went like, ok, it will be great when you add the vocals. Then Wakeman said it was an instrumental rock album and they didn't quiet like the idea, they thought it would be a failure, and said so. However, Wakeman had his way and the album actually was a success. One of the persons that had said the album would be a failure had to give Wakeman some sort of public recognition for the good sales of the album. I also love Myths and Legends, and Journey I find very good too, though if falls somewhat short of the grandeur I find in 6 Wives and Arthur. I still find some other albums from Wakeman that are very enjoyable after Arthur, specially The Criminal Record (which has 3 songs with Squire and White), and on the 90's he release Return to the Center of the Earth, which has some very very good songs. Out There is also an excellent album, almost on par with his 70's greats. And the Retro pair of albums both have some very good songs... and some not so good, but I guess I could make a 5 star album by choosing my favourite songs from both albums. As a matter of fact, for me Wakeman solo has more 5 star albums than Yes themselves. |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: July 02 2011 at 01:22
Yep record company executives are a complete waste of space! I would like to get Criminal Record. Been looking for it for a while , not sure if its even available on CD? I've got Out There and Return To The Centre Of The Earth but neither do that much for me tbh. I do like the Retro albums and spent a bit more time reviewing than I normally do. I think he deserves a bit more credit for those than he seems to have received. There's also the new age stuff and trilogy of piano recordings (Night Airs/Country Airs and Sea Airs) which are vey pleasant and help showcase his great skills as a pianist. I do have the DVD of Six Wives at Hampton Court. Think I will give that a watch today or tomorrow now you mention it. Yep I do like Alan White a lot. Ann Of Cleeves is fantastic. White's drumming is spot on perfect. I always mention this when there are threads about best drumming performances. Just thought I would mention Bruford to try and sound smart   |
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: July 02 2011 at 05:01
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It's interesting to read how people describe the differing contributions of Emerson and Wakeman to both band's output. For ELP, the keys are always the uncontested focal point of the music while for Yes, there is a much more even distribution between Wakeman and the guitar of Howe. It also seems clear to my ears that Emerson has a lot of jazz under his fingers, while Rick patently does not. (I'm guessing that's what esky meant by bluesy?) That's just an observation, not a criticism as they're both great in their own individual ways. ------------- 
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Posted By: JeanFrame
Date Posted: July 02 2011 at 05:41
| Both claims are valid in my book. |
Posted By: esky
Date Posted: July 02 2011 at 10:57
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Posted By: esky
Date Posted: July 02 2011 at 11:10
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Posted By: JohnLloy
Date Posted: July 02 2011 at 11:22
| YES |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: July 03 2011 at 14:47
I got Criminal Record on a weird CD release which contains also Journey to the Center of the Earth in the same CD (I guess it must be an italian release, or some other country's release)... I already had Journey anyway... however, I guess I must be grateful to the CD shop for being able to get it for me (even if they took several months to do so). I still think it was a strange pairing, it would have sounded much better with 6 wives. I also like some of Wakeman's albums that are not so progressive, at least to some extent. About Return to the Center of the Earth, I only like some songs on that album... but I really like those songs a lot. Oh, by the way, I did attend that 6 wives in Hampton concert (well, it was the night before the concert that was recorded). I guess this is one of the most exclussive performances I will ever be able to attend, and really memorable. |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: July 03 2011 at 14:53
Actually yesterday I downloaded Criminal Record from Amazon and then funnily enough burnt it onto a CD with Six Wives Probably put in on a par with Myths and Legends  |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: July 03 2011 at 17:17
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Criminal Record is probably my favorite RW release. I used to listen to it endlessly at one of my former workplaces. If somehow "Ice Run" from White Rock had been on Criminal Record instead, even though it doesn't really "fit" since it's so uptempo and scored like a chase theme, it'd be Rick's single greatest outing as a solo artist. Rick's composed to much great stuff, though, it'd still be hard to pick anytthing over the other. I like 1984 a good deal, too, and his music for The Burning is outstanding, IMO. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: jean-marie
Date Posted: July 03 2011 at 17:23
Both are very good and interresting musicians, last hight times with them: the album with Bonilla for keith and at Lincoln cathedral for Rick ( playing the church organ) for pieces based around a combination of fixed notation and improvisation, and all that at nice price.....
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Posted By: MagnumOpus
Date Posted: July 04 2011 at 01:09
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Wow, that's a tough one!
I love both bands, and both bands have albums on my most favorite albums list, Close to the edge, Relayer and Going for the one from Yes, and the debut album and Trilogy from ELP. I guess that makes Yes the winner? 
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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: July 04 2011 at 01:43
You forgot Brain Salad Surgery, maybe?  ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: MagnumOpus
Date Posted: July 04 2011 at 05:58
That might be it! But sadly no...Brain Sallad is not one of my favorites. Arghh, that kinda makes Yes the winner. |
Posted By: -Radioswim-
Date Posted: July 04 2011 at 12:48
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Brain Salad Surgery (and Tarkus) are to me the only things remarkable that ELP ever created. YESHowever, I think the answer (if there is even a definite answer based on music's undisposed nature) is of low value. ------------- 
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Posted By: Conor Fynes
Date Posted: July 04 2011 at 13:34
| Yes. I can't stand ELP. |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: July 04 2011 at 19:24
Good, I hope you enjoy it... Judas Iscariot is brilliant. |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: July 04 2011 at 19:26
Good to see some Wakeman appreciation, perhaps we could creat a Wakeman appreciation thread now? |
Posted By: Frederik
Date Posted: July 06 2011 at 14:40
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Tarkus > Every song in Yes discography NOT BY FAR
Yes discography > ELP discography BY FAR
So Yes wins.
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