love/hate
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Topic: love/hate
Posted By: tszirmay
Subject: love/hate
Date Posted: April 04 2011 at 16:37
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There are bands that many if not most seem to adore but you just can't get into it, regardless how hard you wanna !
Fine, we all have our tastes and they are not debatable but what are your picks of
 that everyone else  ?I have a few :
Dream Theater (great musicians but...)
Spock's Beard (same)
and Magic Pie (really nothing special) ------------- I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth. |
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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: April 04 2011 at 17:56
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Van Der Graaf Generator.
I've listened to their first few albums a bit, and i cant get into them at all. They kinda bore me i guess.
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Posted By: Earthsmoke
Date Posted: April 04 2011 at 18:00
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Perhaps the greatest heresy I have committed is that I dislike most of Genesis' material, including most of the beloved albums, Selling England by the Pound, Foxtrot, and Nursery Cryme. Because of the accolades they've received, I really want to like these albums, but I just can't. |
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: April 04 2011 at 18:00
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NO. STOP. We even still have http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=75144" rel="nofollow - an active thread on this retarded subject, not to mention the five thousand times we've talked about it in the past. I really don't understand why a collab from '06 would think this thread is a good idea. ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: April 04 2011 at 18:02
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Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: April 04 2011 at 18:04
 
And a progfan since 1969 to boot, before you were even born, youngun'  ------------- I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth. |
Henry Plainview wrote:Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: April 04 2011 at 18:22
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The active thread mentioned by the Forum senior member is called "Worst albums" . I am not referring to albums but bands in their full blown entity. I believe there is a difference (aka Love Yes, hate Tormato, par exemple) ------------- I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth. |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: April 04 2011 at 18:35
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HI,
None really ... somethings just take longer to appreciate and enjoy ...
I was not a great GG fan and still am not, but there isn't a moment that I listen to that stuff and go ... that's some amazing muscianship ...
My tastes are so wide and far ranging, that about the only thing that is weird to me is ... people saying they can not get into someone or something ... and in my experience, when I finally defined that to myslf, it had to do with the fact that I wanted to hear something I liked ... NOT what was there in teh first place!
There is nothing to like or dislike about the human love, condition and the art of it all, in music or anything else ... it just IS ... and it becomes a matter of us having the ability to accept it ... doesn't it? And for whatever reason, sometimes we just don't ahve that open side of ourselves ... like saying that music has to be this and that ... specailly when at the time, and bands, that we are placing these restrictions on, were doing this in a time, when it was more important to break the restrictions than not ... but we simply do not have enough ability to get out of that mentality or something like it? ... or we lost the freedom and we're now back in the cage?
Weird ... and this happened to me with a bird by the way ... I gave him his freedom and put his cage outside with door open ... he went out took a fling flying (he could do that in the house also all day long), came back, sat on top ... flew again, and I went to sleep ... an hour later, I came back and he was still in the cage and even said hello when I opened the door!
We're such creatures of habits and comforts, aren't we? ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: April 04 2011 at 18:43
I think the OP of our Iranian forum colleague pretty much describes the intellectual level of hate threads without me having to use epithets that would cross over into the realm of the invective 
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Posted By: The_Jester
Date Posted: April 04 2011 at 19:17
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Magic Pie and Pink Floyd since Dark Side of the Moon are some acts that I really dislike even if a lot of people do. I don't try to like things still. I guess that everybody have their own perception of what's good or not and that's fine. ------------- La victoire est éphémère mais la gloire est éternelle! - Napoléon Bonaparte |
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: April 04 2011 at 19:33
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There are some groups that are really revered that i have tried, but i can't seem to get into - Can, Faust, Amon Duul 2, Neu!, La Dusseldorf oh, well, i tried P.S. i can't say i hate them at all, though |
Posted By: Mista-Gordie
Date Posted: April 04 2011 at 19:38
| I don't think that there's nothing in prog that I hate, but I'm really not a fan of Emerson, Lake and Palmer and Gentle Giant |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: April 04 2011 at 20:27
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Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: April 04 2011 at 20:35
The rather strident title was for drama effect only, like all good neon signs should! 
In the question there is no mention of anything as drastic as hatred itself.
I personnaly hate no one except nit-pickers and impolite people  , oh and some country artists  ------------- I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: April 04 2011 at 20:43
 Anyway, there are some artists that people rave about and just never clicked with me. Spock's Beard and The Flower Kings come to mind. I actually have one of each. Like you said, good musicians, but... If you agree with any of this, please raise both your hands:  OK, just the one on the right. I would love to see her do that.  Oh, and something else, one of my Grandmothers taught me not to say you hate something food-wise. Try it and if you don't like it, the polite thing is to say you don't care for it. I have carried over that lesson into my music commentary. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: April 04 2011 at 22:39
That is a distinction without a difference for how the discussion actually turns out. And I'm sure if I were willing to bother I could find an unlocked thread about most overrated bands as well.
Then you should be even more tired of this sh*t. ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: April 04 2011 at 22:53
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I suppose hate is a bit strong, but I don't really care for Beardfish, Umphrey's Magee, and most modern fusion...if people actually like that last one. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Steven Brodziak
Date Posted: April 05 2011 at 04:36
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For the most part I like some of everything and not all of anything.
But to not understand the hooplah given to a group, I'd say "The Decemberists" I just don't get it. ------------- Well, there it is. (Amadeus) |
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: April 05 2011 at 04:42
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Tangerine Dream, but maybe that doesn't count. I suppose I just can't get into a whole style (Krautrock).
Okay, another try. I can't get into Rush, except for Moving Pictures, which I think is a nice album. Can't get into Flower Kings either, except for some early songs.
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Posted By: ten years after
Date Posted: April 05 2011 at 05:37
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I don't hate any prog bands.
However, in the spirit of this thread, i nominate Gentle Giant. I have an enormous respect for what they tried to do and have recently bought all of their (pre 1977) albums for the second time (and in some cases the third time).
I still can't get into them. The music is interesting but not enjoyable and i can't find a spot in my top 1000 for even one of their tracks.
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: April 05 2011 at 10:15
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Bands that I have never really got into despite how well loved they are. Magma Yes Emerson Lake and Palmer Rush Porcupine Tree Neurosis Any of these electronic krautrock bands and electronic in general. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005 
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Posted By: ergaster
Date Posted: April 05 2011 at 17:36
Heh. This.  As for the OP.... Dream Theatre, Gentle Giant, Yes GSY!BE... I can see the appeal (except for maybe the last one, who I don't get at all) but my interest could never rise very far. ------------- We have done the impossible, and that makes us mighty. Captain Malcolm Reynolds Reality rules, Honor the truth Chemist99a R.I.P. |
Posted By: Lark the Starless
Date Posted: April 06 2011 at 20:18
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Hmmm, I don't care much for Tool. I only have "Lateralus" but it's so-so in my opinion. ------------- 
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Posted By: Slaughternalia
Date Posted: April 06 2011 at 21:54
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Dream Theater (as well as any other cheesy prog metal) Rush Kansas Marillion Magma Frank Zappa
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Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: April 06 2011 at 22:40
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: April 07 2011 at 01:08
do you like prog?
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Posted By: npjnpj
Date Posted: April 07 2011 at 02:41
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There are
bands I always like, regardless of mood, time of day, or whatever: Tori Amos,
Jethro Tull, most classic prog bands, and many of the newer ones like Porcupine Tree, DT, Beardfish, whatever. |
Posted By: Slaughternalia
Date Posted: April 07 2011 at 13:40
Hot Rats, The Grand Wazoo, and apostrophe
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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: April 07 2011 at 14:17
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I don't know what I have - or don't have - with King Crimson. They have made three or four albums which I would easily give a four star rating, their music can be labeled as highly innovative prog, but somehow I would never name them among my favourites. On the other hand, I don't dislike them either and I can get into most of their music.
It is not even some kind of resistance against those core PA members who seem to form the most solid fanbase that this band could ever dream of - in my (slighltly distorted?) perception  .------------- 
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 07 2011 at 14:20
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I love a lot of bands...but I don't hate any..not even Bon Jovi. Oh wait...I hate Nickelback. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: April 07 2011 at 14:30
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I don't really hate any band, I can't see the point of expending energy on that. ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: April 07 2011 at 15:24
But it seems this thread deals more with my choice of title (I thought a little vroom would help!) than simply finding out which celebrated PROG bands others like that you just cannot get into. Its like judging an album by its title and not teh contant. The existentialist debate between good and evil (love/hate) is better dealt with elsewhere. Please.....
I saw Chicago twice in the late 70s early 80s LIVE and it was terrible. The second barely lasted 40 minutes as audience reaction was timid at best (Montreal was a prog hotbed then...) . The records just do not do it for me except for the debut.....See what I mean? ------------- I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth. |
Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: April 07 2011 at 16:22
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There are many many prog bands that don't interest me at all, but I don't have a love-hate for any.
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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: April 07 2011 at 18:04
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Posted By: Anthony
Date Posted: April 07 2011 at 18:08
Well, apart from the two artists almost everyone knows by now I hate ... ... I also can't stand Porcupine Tree.------------- Future prosperity lies in the way you heal the world with love (Introitus - The hand that feeds you) |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: April 08 2011 at 01:49
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The only album that rubs me up the wrong way is Triumvirat 'Spartacus'. Because of that I've never followed up on any of their other albums.
I've certainly fallen out of love with Transatlantic and The Flower Kings.Beyond that I'm pretty happy with my prog collection and wouldn't get rid of anything.
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: April 08 2011 at 02:12
 That's bass ackwards, isn't it? ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: April 09 2011 at 09:01
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Never really saw the deal with Flower Kings, Ayreon and Tool. I can hear moments of brilliance in Spocks Beard but overall, they don't put together a satisfying package for me. I like Porcupine Tree in small doses without being absolutely bowled over at any level. I like Dream Theater's early work a lot. Not so much their later and supposedly more advanced work like SFAM or Six Degrees. I like many of the classic prog greats to varying degrees. But I don't count myself among the hardcore VDGG fans though I do like their albums. Kansas and Caravan never did much for me.
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Posted By: cannon
Date Posted: April 09 2011 at 09:21
I feel sorry for you...no I don't.
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Marillion. I've tried too many times to keep count. Just doesn't work for me.
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Posted By: King Manuel
Date Posted: April 09 2011 at 09:34
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Tried very hard to get into King Crimson, but no, they don´t work for me at all.
Some other bands I have my difficuluties with: Porcupine Tree, Gentle Giant, Magma, Frank Zappa, Sleepytime Gorilla Museum, ...
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Posted By: King Manuel
Date Posted: April 09 2011 at 09:37
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Posted By: Formentera Lady
Date Posted: April 10 2011 at 04:25
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Hate is a strong word and I also think I don't "hate" any. That said, one band that is most loved on this site and that never really clicked for me is...Jethro Tull. When I was new here I made a poll with JT albums which you liked most and, not surprisingly, Thick As A Brick got most votes. So I listened to this album several times. Nothing. The compositional structure did not do it for me. Then I listened to A Passion Play. I like A Passion Play more than TAAB, but still I am not really enthusiastic. On the other hand, I enjoy it when I hear Jethro Tull on the radio among the otherwise dull pop songs. I attended a party and the DJ played "Locomotive Breath" and the people around me asked me "Who is this?" and I got excited and recommended them to listen to more Jethro Tull (and I thanked the DJ for playing it)! |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: April 10 2011 at 05:07
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It's easy to use Love and Hate in context of things we like and dislike without getting overly emotional about it, we do it all the time - I love steak and hate liver - there is nothing in that beyond the words on the page - I'm not going to war over it - it's just a figure of speech we all use all the time.
Ho-hum.
Love: Pink Floyd, Peter Gabriel, Pain Of Salvation, Savatage, Porcupine Tree, Mansun... and many many more.
Hate: Sylvan, Phideaux
 ... that's it, can't think of anything else... Oh yeah, Nickleback.------------- What? |
Posted By: QuestionableScum
Date Posted: April 10 2011 at 11:41
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I would not say Hate, but I really cannot get into Yes or Dream Theater. I think both bands are fantastic musicians, but after numerous listens to many albums I think that their songwriting is incoherent, and that the musical changes they use do not make sense at all in most cases.
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Posted By: Atoms
Date Posted: April 10 2011 at 12:15
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Rush, I've listened to more albums by them than I can keep track of, didn't enjoy a single one. Dream Theater, not much to say, nothing makes their music remotely interesting. Marillion, a bit too poppy for my tastes. Kansas, It just doesn't click, they feel a bit artificial in my opinion. Mike Oldfield, I don't like the structure in his songs, that he just builds more and more layers on top of eachother. That's pretty much it... Oh, and everyone doesn't have to comment on the hate part by the way, the man has already explained why he named this thread like this.
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: April 10 2011 at 12:25
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 10 2011 at 13:07
I hate everything you say in this post. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: MillsLayne
Date Posted: April 11 2011 at 12:04
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There are a few bands that I feel have awesome music, but the vocals turn me off almost immediately. Dream Theater, Spock's Beard and Transatlantic come to mind with my great music/annoying vocals dilemma. Another band that I really don't dislike, but can't get into, is King Crimson. I'm just not getting it with them. I didn't really mind Islands, but I can't get into the rest (from what I've heard, anyway.) ------------- http://gamercards.exophase.com/xbox/user/MillsLayne/" rel="nofollow">  ht |
Posted By: Atoms
Date Posted: April 11 2011 at 13:14
More like confusing =p
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: April 11 2011 at 19:54
Ohhhhh ... philosophy ... let me get Mosh on it!
 ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: colorofmoney91
Date Posted: April 11 2011 at 20:03
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Van Giraffe Generator and Peter Hammill. I find Hammill's vocals horrendous, like nails on a chalkboard in Hell. ------------- http://hanashukketsu.bandcamp.com" rel="nofollow - Hanashukketsu |