Genesis best Prog band ever?
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Topic: Genesis best Prog band ever?
Posted By: Steven Brodziak
Subject: Genesis best Prog band ever?
Date Posted: March 20 2011 at 18:08
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Is there really any group out there that can match or beat the sounds produced on "Trespass", Nursery Cryme", Foxtrot", "Selling England by the Pound" & "The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway"?
As per poll. Please list comparable albums. ------------- Well, there it is. (Amadeus) |
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Posted By: let prog reign
Date Posted: March 20 2011 at 18:13
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They are certainly one of the best but Its hard to decide if they are better than pink floyd, king crimson, ect...
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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: March 20 2011 at 18:37
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I really tried thinking of a band that released a string of 6 albums that are as timeless, definitive, and well.. awesome as these.
Lets just say it was hard.
But i have hope for modern music too
 Choice 2
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: March 20 2011 at 18:41
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Posted By: Prog Geo
Date Posted: March 20 2011 at 18:46
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2nd option.But I know a better band than Genesis.Opeth!!!!Because Genesis are classic.And Opeth is the best band in the world.So,the classic is very different from the good.
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: March 20 2011 at 18:51
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King Crimson: Court, Lizard, Islands, Larks', Starless, Red. (those are 6)
Yes: Yes Album, Fragile, CTTE, Tales, Relayer. (those are 5, you actually listed 5 Genesis albums)
Pink Floyd: Meddle, Dark Side, Wish, Animals, Wall. (another 5)
Soft Machine: 2, 3, 6, 7, Bundles
Zappa: Hot Rats, Grand Wazoo, Waka/Jawaka, Over-Nite, One Size, Apostrophe, Roxy, Zappa in NYC, Sleep Dirt...and so on...
Conclusion: there are many of great 70s bands that can match Genesis' "Gold era".
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: March 20 2011 at 18:58
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Those are some of the most poorly constructed poll options I have ever seen on PA. I do not think King Crimson is the best band ever, but I do not feel obligated to provide you with a "rebuttal". ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: Heathcliffe
Date Posted: March 20 2011 at 18:59
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Tull.
But Genesis would be second in my own personal Pantheon of Great Bands. |
Posted By: Soul Dreamer
Date Posted: March 20 2011 at 19:30
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Yes - The Yes Album, Fragile, CTTE, TFTO, Relayer and GFTO top the Genesis offerings...but Genesis is a close second...
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Posted By: Anthony H.
Date Posted: March 20 2011 at 19:33
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Yeah, this poll is ridiculous. The options make no sense. If this was a decent poll, then I would point out the fact that I consider Yes to be a far better band then Genesis. Edit: I don't mean to be rude, but the options here really don't make any sense. -------------  |
Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: March 20 2011 at 19:41
I think this may be true---but I want to say Yes = Genesis when all is said and done
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Soul Dreamer wrote:Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: March 20 2011 at 19:47
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It was a superb era, but I think Gentle Giant did.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: March 20 2011 at 20:46
| I could list a huge many groups in PA's prog categories that I prefer to Genesis -- though I do love The Lamb. I don't want to do a laundry list, but I'll mention Magma, Art Zoyd, Mwandishi players, Tangerine Dream, Soft Machine, Univers Zero, Present, Can and Amon Duul II to start. |
Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: March 20 2011 at 21:04
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Pink Floyd has several albums that are better than the above mentioned Genesis albums but Genesis is still great. ------------- http://blindpoetrecords.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow">  
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Posted By: tarkus1980
Date Posted: March 20 2011 at 21:11
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I love Genesis too, but is it wrong that the Genesis obsession on this forum is starting to feel a little tedious to me? ------------- "History of Rock Written by the Losers." |
Posted By: dave-the-rave
Date Posted: March 20 2011 at 21:13
| The only Genesis album that moves me is 'Selling England.' I much prefer Yes and Floyd. |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: March 20 2011 at 21:15
No....you should embrace your love for the greatest prog band ever in Genesis...If its love then its a natural thing.
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Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: March 20 2011 at 21:23
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1st option, although I will not say there are, or were, bands better than Genesis, but there have certainly been those that are their equal. That was not an option, so the closest to my view is option #1. Others have listed some I consider equals: Yes, Gentle Giant, Jethro Tull, King Crimson, Pink Floyd, Frank Zappa, Magma, dare I say ELP? Just look at the albums from the same era. No one band is the absolute best, no one artist is the absolute best. There are too many criteria, too many variations possible in the creation and performance of music. There is no fully objective standard to analyze and quantify that will place one above any of the others. Each of the bands in consideration could do things the others really could not. ------------- The world of sound is certainly capable of infinite variety and, were our sense developed, of infinite extensions. -- George Santayana, "The Sense of Beauty" |
Posted By: Steven Brodziak
Date Posted: March 20 2011 at 21:57
Is there a band with a better string of 6 albums?
1. Yes, there is a better band etc.
My apologies on #3. It was supposed to continue ...But there may be in the future
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Posted By: Steven Brodziak
Date Posted: March 20 2011 at 22:02
The Yes response I think falls a bit short. If you match up album to album. ------------- Well, there it is. (Amadeus) |
Posted By: Steven Brodziak
Date Posted: March 20 2011 at 22:05
See, if you start throwing albums out there such as Meddle or Tormato, Brain Salad Surgery etc.
I love Genesis. Hype? Well I just wanted to dind out where you fans really stand. ------------- Well, there it is. (Amadeus) |
Posted By: Lark the Starless
Date Posted: March 20 2011 at 22:12
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The poll is somewhat unorthodox but not to be completely dismissed. I would suggest Rush. From Caress of Steel to Moving Pictures, especially. That's 6 albums as well. But granted, Genesis is my favorite band ever, currently. So I guess I'll go with the 1st option. ------------- 
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: March 20 2011 at 22:14
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I think Genesis debut weak, and would say that bands such as Magma, Tangerine Dream, Soft machine, Amon Duul II, Gentle Giant and King Crimson, as well as later ones such as Univers Zero and Art Zoyd with the debut LPs came out of the gates much stronger. Though I don't think that highly of Udu Wudu, though still good, I think all of Magma's earlier albums excellent, and I think Art Zoyd's first run of eight albums excellent, as well as other very strong later ones. Area had a very strong run for its first five. Gabriel-era Genesis didn't peak until The Lamb in my opinion, and then it was over. |
Posted By: Proletariat
Date Posted: March 20 2011 at 22:37
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GY!BE are atleast equal to Genesis in their respective field... personaly I don't love Genesis quite as much ------------- who hiccuped endlessly trying to giggle but wound up with a sob |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: March 20 2011 at 22:38
| Uh, genesis has AT MOST a string of 2 above average album |
Posted By: Anthony H.
Date Posted: March 20 2011 at 22:43
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Yes's string of classics is stronger, even though I do love Genesis. 1) The Yes Album 2) Fragile 3) Close to the Edge 4) Tales From Topographic Oceans 5) Relayer 6) Going for the One ------------- |
Posted By: Steven Brodziak
Date Posted: March 20 2011 at 22:44
------------- Well, there it is. (Amadeus) |
Posted By: Steven Brodziak
Date Posted: March 20 2011 at 22:48
Let me be clear to all, I'm not suggesting that Genesis is the best ever and walks on water. They've quite pissed me off at times (especially Paper Late). Just asking. As per above, I prefer 3-6 over 1 & 2 on your list. I've never said to myself, I need to hear The Yes Album. But that's just me. Thanks! ------------- Well, there it is. (Amadeus) |
Posted By: tarkus1980
Date Posted: March 20 2011 at 22:52
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"They've quite pissed me off at times (especially Paper Late)."
"Paperlate" is a marvelous pop song. ------------- "History of Rock Written by the Losers." |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: March 20 2011 at 23:00
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I believe nobody can top 7 masterpieces in a row as Genesis 1.- Trespass 2.- NC 3.- Foxtrot 4.- SEBTP 5.- TLLDOB 6.- ATOTT 7.- W&W And I do believe Genesis is the best band ever...But that's my taste. Iván ------------- 
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 20 2011 at 23:06
YES! |
Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: March 20 2011 at 23:07
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Posted By: Steven Brodziak
Date Posted: March 20 2011 at 23:09
Pop, yes. I wasn't looking for pop. Don't you yourself believe that puting out a song like "Evidence of Autumn" would have been the better option? Any other song from 3 sides would've worked except Me & Virgil ------------- Well, there it is. (Amadeus) |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: March 21 2011 at 00:13
I agree. but if you add Atom Heart Mother also Pink Floyd are 6. I would add More, too. Also I DON'T LIKE GENESIS. Sorry but I've never been able to listen to a whole album except for The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway that's the only one that I would rate 5 stars. Question of tastes. ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: March 21 2011 at 00:16
../artist.asp?id=858" rel="nofollow - ART ZOYD is a French "Rock in Opposition (RIO)" band on the chamber rock/ music side. It has a Magma infleunce and it's similar to Univers Zero and Present but doesn't get as much attention. An essential and great RIO band, I think, but I wouldn't expect most people here to enjoy the music. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: March 21 2011 at 00:23
Atom Heart Mother is my favourite Pink Floyd album, and I also love Ummagumma. Pink Floyd's first six are my favourites: The Piper at the Gates of Dawn, A Saucerful of Secrets, More, Ummagumma, Atom Heart Mother, and Meddle, but I think the first eleven makes for a very strong run. |
Posted By: akaBona
Date Posted: March 21 2011 at 02:29
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I like Gabriel era Genesis a lot, but ahead of their albums I put Yes, King Crimson, Zappa, Gentle Giant and last but not least Magma. Also Hatfield And The North, National Health are much better than Genesis. List could continue after morning coffee and cigarette ... |
Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: March 21 2011 at 02:43
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Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: March 21 2011 at 03:18
This. Sums it up pretty well. |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: March 21 2011 at 03:37
I almost agree: only Tales does not fit in a string of classics (imho of course). But Pink Floyd wins it by the thickness of a hair:
1. Ummagumma
2. Atom heart Mother
3. Meddle
4. Obscured by Couds
5. Dark Side of the Moon
6. Wish You Were Here
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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: March 21 2011 at 03:42
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I think Genesis have made 4 indispensable Prog albums: Nursery Cryme - Foxtrot - Selling England By the Pound - The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway I think King Crimson have made 4 indispensable Prog albums: Larks Tongues in Aspic - Starless and Bible Black - Red - The Great Deceiver Live 1973/74 I think ELP have made 5 indispensable Prog albums: Emerson, Lake and Palmer -Tarkus - Pictures at an Exhibition - Trilogy - Brain Salad Surgery ------------- 
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Posted By: Steven Brodziak
Date Posted: March 21 2011 at 03:46
I mean Fragile was very close if did not lose in a poll I saw against ATOTT!
So what goes up against Trespass? Let's try "Animals"
Nursery Cryme? Let's try "Wish You Were Here"
Foxtrot? Let's try "Meddle"
Selling England? Let's try "Dark Side of the Moon"
The Lamb? Let's try "The Wall"
Granted you may come up with a single album that may beat one of these, but take your suggested artists and go album to album head to head and see how the votes turn out.
In my view I only see Pink Floyd having a serious shot and YES just falling short. But again, that's MY view and opinion, but I believe I'm correct.
Just the first one. Trespass vs Animals. You bring Three Pigs, I bring a Knife. You bring a Sheep I'll show that sheep Fang son of Great Fang, and I'll make your Dog Stagnant! They'll all be seeing Vision of Angels.
Who knows. Animals might beat Trespass. Let's find out. ------------- Well, there it is. (Amadeus) |
Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: March 21 2011 at 04:05
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That´s really evident, that the name "Genesis" works as a strong magnet to various PA members although the topic itself would be however weird. I´m sorry but this is the exemplar case of this poll, beginning by much suggestive poll question.
At all cost I´ve picked 1st option. Almost all of King Crimson or Yes can top "1st 6 Genesis albums", especially if we count perhaps one of weakest Prog debuts, i.e. From Genesis To Revelation.
 In addition, I like unconditionally only three Genesis albums: Trespass, Nursery Cryme and Selling England (*****). Foxtrot and Broadway seem to be too pretentious for me (***). By the way, isn´t it one of reasons for Gabriel´s departure? ------------- A Elbereth Gilthoniel silivren penna míriel o menel aglar elenath! Na-chaered palan-díriel o galadhremmin ennorath, Fanuilos, le linnathon nef aear, sí nef aearon! |
Posted By: KoS
Date Posted: March 21 2011 at 04:11
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They're not that great. |
Posted By: Steven Brodziak
Date Posted: March 21 2011 at 04:11
My I suggest you specify the KC albums up against specific Gen albums? You can even call it a KC poll!
ie. what goes against selling England? etc. ------------- Well, there it is. (Amadeus) |
Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: March 21 2011 at 04:37
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Posted By: akaBona
Date Posted: March 21 2011 at 04:44
Gabriel probably left Genesis because he wanted to change his backup band ... |
Posted By: friso
Date Posted: March 21 2011 at 05:03
| Of course there are many bands that are at least as good as Genesis. It seems to me that as soon people lost their religion, they started to worship a couple of bands/artists. Stop being slow in evolution. We can overcome that gap. |
Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: March 21 2011 at 05:15
Oh, deep in my heart I do believe
We shall overcome some day!
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Posted By: ten years after
Date Posted: March 21 2011 at 06:27
More and Obscured by Clouds are both nice interludes by I don't count them in Floyd's classic sequence.
1. Saucerful
2. Ummagumma
3. Atom Heart Mother
4. Meddle
5. Dark Side of the Moon
6. Wish You Were Here
against
1. Yes Album
2. Fragile
3. Close to the Edge
4. TFTO
5. Relayer
against
1. Nursery Cryme
2. Foxtrot
3. SEBTP
4. The Lamb
against
1. ELP
2. Pictures
3. Tarkus
4. Trilogy
5. Brain Salad Surgery
But Ummagumma only really makes it because of the live component so Yessongs could be added to the Yes sequence. Then again, no band has produced a trifecta of the quality of Foxtrot, SEBTP and The Lamb.
And I think i detect a bit of a resurgence of favour on this forum, and in the general press, for Emerson Lake and Palmer in recent months.
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Posted By: Ruby900
Date Posted: March 21 2011 at 07:29
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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: March 21 2011 at 07:42
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As others have stated before, Genesis may be considered one of the best prog bands. Not necessarily the best, but I don't know of another band that deserves the title either. Genesis might share the honour with Yes, ELP and some other bands, and once you try to pin down which bands, you're already in trouble.
But, as P.L. Menel, ex - lead singer of IQ once said, when an interviewer asked him if he thought IQ was the best band in the world: it doesn't matter to be the best band, but to be some people's favorite band.
Each diamond only shines for a happy few.
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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: March 21 2011 at 07:51
I agree. In this case the list might start with A Saucerful of Secrets or end with Animals if we are talking about six albums. Definitely not. The live component is excellent, but the studio component makes Ummagumma exceptional. I would say Nursery Cryme, Foxtrot and Selling England by the Pound, a perfect match against Meddle, Dark Side of the Moon and Wish You Were Here. -------------
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Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: March 21 2011 at 08:59
| Genesis were a great band, and certainly quite influential during the decades after (80s, 90s). Maybe the most influential of all classic bands, but not the best band of their time, nor the best band ever . |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: March 21 2011 at 11:17
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Yes. Many bands have surpassed their output, and many bands in the future will probably do so.
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Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: March 21 2011 at 11:19
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I really like Spock's Beard's first six albums.
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Posted By: Evolver
Date Posted: March 21 2011 at 11:43
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While Genesis had some good songs, and Collins & Hackett have proven themselves as musicians, their overall approach was much too simplistic, compared to many of their peers (Crimson, ELP, Yes, Gentle Giant, etc...).
I understand that their accessability has made them a favorite for many people here, and I have no problem with that.
Best prog band ever? Not even in the top 10. ------------- Trust me. I know what I'm doing. |
Posted By: MillsLayne
Date Posted: March 21 2011 at 13:30
I'll be honest, I've tried to like Genesis and I've given them many chances, but I just can't get into them at all. I don't know what it is and I can't really explain it, but I just don't like them. So my answer would be, yes, I think tons of bands have far surpassed Genesis in the prog category, according to me.  ------------- http://gamercards.exophase.com/xbox/user/MillsLayne/" rel="nofollow">  ht |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: March 21 2011 at 13:40
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That sequence from Trespass to Wind & Wuthering really is rather special, and ATTWT & Duke were also, IMHO, excellent albums. I love Genesis, and was virtually bought up on them in my formative teenage years, so they will always hold a special place. So, whilst they are not my favourite band, I don't think that the exceptionally high standard of that run of albums in a row will ever be matched by any other band. I'd like to be proved wrong, though  ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: March 21 2011 at 14:11
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Posted By: clarkpegasus4001
Date Posted: March 21 2011 at 14:15
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Sorry i'm not a fan of Genesis, I do like the odd track
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: March 21 2011 at 14:40
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No.
They are excellent, and one of the best examples of prog, but not the best prog band ever. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Varon
Date Posted: March 21 2011 at 14:52
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As I see nobody has mentioned Van der Graaf Generator 6 albums: - The least we can do - H to He who am the Only One - Pawn Hearts - Godbluff - Still Life - World Record Genesis are my second all time favourite band but in my opinion VdGG albums represent a real Peak of Rock. ------------- Would you catch the final words of mine? Would you catch my words??? |
Posted By: Johnnytuba
Date Posted: March 21 2011 at 15:41
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I personally feel that Rush is a better band than Genesis. But then again my answer is bias since Rush is my favorite band in progressive rock. Additionally, my favorite Genesis albums are Nursery Cryme and Selling England, with a nod to Wind and Wuthering. in conclusion, Genesis is not the best prog band ever. ------------- "The things that we're concealing, will never let us grow. Time will do its healing, you've got to let it go. |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: March 21 2011 at 16:27
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Trouble is you can use any manner of different criteria to justify your choice.
If we are going by any 6 album streak then I would choose this
2112
Farewell To Kings
Hemispheres
Permanent Waves
Moving Pictures
Signals
my second choice would be
The Yes Album
Fragile
Close To The Edge
Tales From Topographic Oceans
Relayer
Going For The One
and then
Foxtrot
Selling England By The Pound
Lamb
Trick of The Tail
Wind and Wuthering
And Then There Were Three
( I do actually prefer ATTWT over Nursery Crime)
in recent times
Stupid Dream
Lightbulb Sun
In Absentia
Deadwing
Fear Of A Blank Planet
The Incident
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Posted By: Formentera Lady
Date Posted: March 21 2011 at 17:12
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Genesis is my second favourite band after King Crimson (Court, Lizard, Islands, Larks, Starless and..., Red, Discipline, Thrak) |
Posted By: Zargus
Date Posted: March 21 2011 at 18:19
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Van der graaf Generator:
1. Aerosol grey Machine
2. The least we do is weave to each other
3. H to he who am the only one
4. Pawn hearts
5. Godbluff
6. Still life
7. World record
8. The quiet zone / pleasure dome
9. Present
10. Trisector Thats 10 awsome albums, so VdGG is the best prog band ever obviusly, since they realesed the longest string of perfect albums and actualy never realsed a singel bad album so far. Now we can close the thread.  ------------- 
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Posted By: Varon
Date Posted: March 21 2011 at 18:27
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Posted By: Zargus
Date Posted: March 21 2011 at 18:29
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And then to that we can add Peter Hammill's great solo career, that he had almost simultainiusly with his VdGG career:
1. Fools mate
2. Chameleon in the shadow of the night
3. The silent corners and empty stage
4. In camera
5. Nadirs big chanse
6. Over
7. The future now
8. PH7
9. A black box
Best band: VdGG. Best solo artis: Peter Hammill. Conclusion: PH is a freakin musical genius!  -------------
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Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: March 21 2011 at 18:32
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This is a toughie. I went with the second choice because yes, they had 6 incredible albums, and although bands peak higher than they did, no one band had such an incredible run without a few hiccups. ------------- http://ow.ly/8ymqg" rel="nofollow">  
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Posted By: MillsLayne
Date Posted: March 21 2011 at 19:31
Take out the Genesis albums and I agree 100% with this! ------------- http://gamercards.exophase.com/xbox/user/MillsLayne/" rel="nofollow"> ht |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: March 21 2011 at 19:35
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Bah, f**k it, this is the best band ever: |
Posted By: Steven Brodziak
Date Posted: March 22 2011 at 03:00
1. I choose Nursery Cryme
2. I'll take Foxtrot
3. Is absolutely impossible. I refuse to vote.
4. I have to go Lamb
5. Brain Salad Surgey
6? I guess Wish You Were Here lol ------------- Well, there it is. (Amadeus) |
Posted By: Steven Brodziak
Date Posted: March 22 2011 at 03:04
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Posted By: BarryGlibb
Date Posted: March 22 2011 at 05:57
Answer: Yes Not the group Yes but just "Yes" to the question. I would put forward Tull. Their 12 studio albums after This Was i.e." Stand Up" and up to and including "A" IMHO are better than anything Genesis dished out. I would also put Gentle Giant ahead as well. Each to his/her own I suppose. I have tried very hard to like Genesis; I have played them and played them but they just do not do "it" for me. May be one day some magic will happen. |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: March 22 2011 at 11:47
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The original 12 Tull studio albums, plus the superlative Living in the Past set certainly eclipses Genesis' output. But then I prefer Tull and you must prefer Genesis, or else you wouldn't have made this poll in the first place. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: The-time-is-now
Date Posted: March 22 2011 at 12:07
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And what about Yes'Keys To Ascension 2 ?
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Posted By: Olias Bro
Date Posted: March 22 2011 at 12:45
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I would put Yes up against those very excellent Genesis albums. Starting with The Yes Album, Fragile, Close to the Edge, Relayer, Tales, Going for the One and then a fine addition with Tormato.
I would put the Yes Album up against Trespass (prediction: Yes wins)
Fragile against Nursery Chryme (prediction: this will be the tie breaker)
Close to the Edge against Foxtrot (Yes takes this one too)
Selling England by the Pound is a tough one so I'll use Going for the One and Tormato against that (but Genesis will probably still take this one)
and Tales from Topographic Oceans against Lamb Lies Down simply because they're both doubles (and Genesis will take the vote here too, leaving Fragile vs. Nursery to determine the outcome of this argument)
Breaking this 2-2 tie would be very difficult.
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Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: March 22 2011 at 16:37
Another Tullie here, but also love Genesis.
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Posted By: Billy Pilgrim
Date Posted: March 23 2011 at 04:11
| I love Genesis, I think they embody progressive rock, and when it comes down to it, are my favorite of the classics. I can't pick a favorite though. To many good bands. |
Posted By: topographicbroadways
Date Posted: March 23 2011 at 04:27
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Some days I answer yes somedays I answer categorically NO and some days I haven't even thought about them
Greatest composers? They did write some fantastic music and Supper's Ready is one of the seminal masterpieces of Prog. But greatest? Greatest Musicians? No, a group of talented innovators who came up with some great arrangements Greatest Identity? I could say Yes to this one, Peter Gabriel in his costumes are one of the classic images of the Prog Rock era -------------  
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Posted By: Steven Brodziak
Date Posted: March 24 2011 at 00:56
I'd take Trespass, Nursery Cryme, Foxtrot, You might get me to vote "Going-Tormato" combo (in fact I'm certain I would ((Awaken)) but that'd be like bullying wouldn't it? 2 on 1.. And Lamb.
And I LOVE Yes! ------------- Well, there it is. (Amadeus) |
Posted By: prog61
Date Posted: March 29 2011 at 12:15
| Yes, sure, if they achieved only the albums from "Trespass" to "Trick" |
Posted By: Dr. Occulator
Date Posted: March 29 2011 at 14:35
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IMO Yes, KC & JT are the top. Genesis, GG, Camel, VDGG on a level below. ------------- My Doc Told Me I Have Doggie Head. |
Posted By: Okocha
Date Posted: March 29 2011 at 15:00
| Best after Yes. |
Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: March 29 2011 at 16:25
WOW!!! I have felt the same for a long time, Yes, KC and JT, in no particular order frankly, have always been my top bands. I know a lot of people will disagree, so it's nice to know somebody else feels the same.
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Posted By: silcir
Date Posted: March 29 2011 at 18:55
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JT JT JT :D i could see many bands chosen as "best" prog band without much problem. |
Posted By: TheLionOfPrague
Date Posted: March 29 2011 at 20:28
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Floyd is my favorite band. And I also like Jethro a bit more than Genesis. But they're just below them with Kayak and ELP maybe (considering just prog bands). ------------- I shook my head and smiled a whisper knowing all about the place |
Posted By: catfood03
Date Posted: March 29 2011 at 21:09
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Would anyone agree that Genesis was the best prog act to weather the 1980's? Consider Abacab and Invisible Touch against 90125 and Big Generator, or The Final Cut and A Momentary Lapse of Reason, or Moving Pictures and Power Windows. My vote goes to Rush! |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: March 29 2011 at 21:25
I quickly turn the radio dial when anything from Abacab or Invisible Touch comes on. Likewise, I don't really care for 90125 or Big Generator. And while I detest The Final Cut (except for "Not Now John"), I would be shocked and amazed if I heard the album on the radio and would listen (I have the record from its original release but never bought it in CD form), and I don't mind A Momentary Lapse of Reason.
I was never a big Rush fan to begin with, and I liked them less after 2112. To be honest, I like Rush's first few rock albums over anything proggie they did later.
I liked every other Tull album in the 80s (disliked A, liked Broadsword, despised Under Wraps, loved Crest of a Knave, was disappointed in Rock Island, enjoyed Catfish Rising) ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: silverpot
Date Posted: March 30 2011 at 14:35
| A Momentary Lapse of Reason was the best 80s release from any of the old prog bands. In my humble opinion of course. |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: March 30 2011 at 16:30
It was the second, after Camel's Stationary Traveller ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: TheLionOfPrague
Date Posted: March 30 2011 at 19:05
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I think the best 80's release from a prog band was "Moving Picures". But if we consider any decade after the 70's, the best one IMO is "The Division Bell" by FAR. It's brillant. ------------- I shook my head and smiled a whisper knowing all about the place |
Posted By: omri
Date Posted: March 31 2011 at 03:44
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First option.
I agree with theqietone about PF, KC and Yes.
I agree with Varon and Zargus about VDGG.
I agree with Logan about Can, Magma and ADII (can't agree about Art zoyd cause still didn't get them, poor me !).
I think the poll stated 6 albums but mentioned only 5 albums.
Since nobody dares to claim Genesis' debut worth anything I think the fair comparison will be with Yes or VDGG that also vave a weak debut (though I find Aerosol quite good actualy). In this case I think Genesis wins over Yes with a very small gap but looses to VDGG.
If I compare them to KC there is no contest at all.
By the way I think even The moody blues had a great string of 7 albums although I do prefer Genesis over them. ------------- omri |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: March 31 2011 at 03:57
Stationary Traveller is awful to me. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: 1791 Overture
Date Posted: April 01 2011 at 01:35
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Genesis had an extraordinary gift for melody...possibly the best of any rock band.
I mean...just no words, you know? It's arranged perfectly. I don't really have a favorite band, but they are easily one of my most revered. And to the RIO-heads who think they're "so beyond it," why don't you be more predictable?  |
Posted By: 1791 Overture
Date Posted: April 01 2011 at 01:46
Only in the sense that 'complexity' means 'cramming as much sh*t into 10 seconds as possible' at least for ELP/Yes. KC and GG I would agree were truly more complex. But either way, Genesis' music is evocative in a way that KC and GG are not, with some exceptions - all of these bands are great in their own way, but Genesis has them beat as far as melody and scope. Four of their band members were important melodic components to the music that contributed in their own unique way without overlapping - how many bands can say that? Put another way - GG can write with intricate counterpoint and diverse arrangement, but can they sustain a melodic development over the course of 12 minutes in such a sublime fashion as the Cinema Show? No, they could not - just as it was beyond Genesis' ability to write On Reflection, so was it beyond GG's ability to write that incredible song. Complexity is not one dimensional.
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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: April 01 2011 at 01:50
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I don't know why, but I really can't stand with Genesis, except for The Lamb ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: Steven Brodziak
Date Posted: April 01 2011 at 17:14
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I guess you had to grow up with it^. My 1st introduction was listening to the lamb twice through while reading the lyrics. Then I bought A Trick of the Tail. ------------- Well, there it is. (Amadeus) |