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Topic: "The Wall" Progressive Rock
Posted By: let prog reign
Subject: "The Wall" Progressive Rock
Date Posted: February 06 2011 at 09:11
Please keep your explanation simple and don't start a huge argument.  I just want an answer. Thanks!

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Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: February 06 2011 at 09:23
A simple yes will do. "The Wall" is quite progressive, despite it's popularity.


Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: February 06 2011 at 09:42
Stern Smile

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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: February 06 2011 at 10:07
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Stern Smile
LOL


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Posted By: Bonnek
Date Posted: February 06 2011 at 10:24

Very much so, options 3 and 4 don't make sense at all.
It's the integration of musicality and conceptual/narrative content that makes this an essential Prog album.



Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: February 06 2011 at 12:25
Simple answer - yes.

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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: February 06 2011 at 12:30
Yes, just because.


Posted By: The-time-is-now
Date Posted: February 06 2011 at 12:52
Of course it is.

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Posted By: CloseToTheMoon
Date Posted: February 06 2011 at 14:25
Musically it's more progressive than Tommy, but conceptually less progressive than The Lamb Lies Down.

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Posted By: friso
Date Posted: February 06 2011 at 15:05
Well.. does it sound like Status Quo? Then it must be a bit more then 'classic rock' haha. The Wall has many aspects of the progressive genre, except for advanced compostion.


Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: February 06 2011 at 15:10
Is the Pope a Catholic ?

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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: February 06 2011 at 15:33
A complicate concept exploited with intense lyrics. Musically speaking each track fades into the following with continuity as they were several parts of a single suite. Long guitar parts i.e. Comfortably Numb. A little weak in keyboards but they are always present. Do you need anything else to call it "progressive" ? Isn't Young Lust enough to call it "Rock" ? 

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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: February 06 2011 at 15:43
I like it so yes it is progressive rock
Big smile


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Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: February 06 2011 at 16:15
Yes.  Don't let the short song format fool you.  It is a two-record sequence of songs that tells a story.  The sequence follows a logical progression (ahem) in terms of the music, lyrics, and the story that cannot be changed without destroying the whole work.  Keep in mind, too, that many of the great epics that are amongst the most visible aspects of prog are nothing more than an integrated sequence of shorter pieces.  Supper's Ready is a classic example.  No one denies that that song is progressive.

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Posted By: akaBona
Date Posted: February 06 2011 at 16:54
Personally I don't like The Wall, but it is very certainly prog!


Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: February 06 2011 at 17:42
Originally posted by let prog reign let prog reign wrote:

Please keep your explanation simple and don't start a huge argument.  I just want an answer. Thanks!

Don't start a huge argument??? That is sooo wrong. Angry


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Posted By: let prog reign
Date Posted: February 06 2011 at 18:35
Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

Is the Pope a Catholic ?
Ok its not that straight forward


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Posted By: MasoTMN
Date Posted: February 06 2011 at 20:30
While it's certainly very far from being on my list of favorite Pink Floyd albums, it is most definitely prog!

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Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: February 06 2011 at 21:07
I don't like it much. Somebody says its progressive, so it must be.

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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: February 06 2011 at 21:24
Since you used quotation marks, I will assume you mean the song!




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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: February 06 2011 at 21:29
Something can be prog simply on lyrics now!?

My whole perception of reality has been rattled.


Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: February 06 2011 at 21:39
Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

Something can be prog simply on lyrics now!?

My whole perception of reality has been rattled.
 
Now Dylan is prog! Big smile


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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: February 06 2011 at 22:09
Yes it is.

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Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: February 06 2011 at 23:35
Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

Something can be prog simply on lyrics now!?

My whole perception of reality has been rattled.


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Posted By: kawkaw123
Date Posted: February 07 2011 at 10:30
I think the numbers speak for themselves. 


Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: February 07 2011 at 14:11
I propose another, quite similar poll:
 
"Yes" Progressive Rock
1) Yes
2) No
3) Lyrically, yes but not musically
4) Musically, yes but not lyrically  
 
 
 
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: February 07 2011 at 20:49
Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

Something can be prog simply on lyrics now!?My whole perception of reality has been rattled.


I guess the OP made this distincion on the poll, because on his previous thread (the same theme, but without the poll), some people answered just this, that the album was progressive according to the lyrics, but not according to the music (which I particularly don't agree, but then it's their opinion.


Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: February 08 2011 at 01:36
Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

Something can be prog simply on lyrics now!?My whole perception of reality has been rattled.


I guess the OP made this distincion on the poll, because on his previous thread (the same theme, but without the poll), some people answered just this, that the album was progressive according to the lyrics, but not according to the music (which I particularly don't agree, but then it's their opinion.
Well, I certainly didn't Stern Smile
 
I clearly stated:
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

That is not to say that the music is unimportant, or not progressive in itself - instrumental versions of those albums, should such a thing exist, would still be progressive -
Also,
Originally posted by Deleuze Deleuze wrote:

It is.Not only musicaly but look at the lyrics...
And,
Originally posted by Rockjf1 Rockjf1 wrote:

Of course it's progresive maybe not songs alone but the whole concept with emotional lyrics gives this album a very progressive side so yes it's prog
And,
Originally posted by javier0889 javier0889 wrote:

. But the level of experimentation that Pink Floyd represents to the common "rock" or "pop" music, both in lyrics and musical composition, is enough to reckon them as "progressive rock".
So, there you have it - the four people in that thread who mentioned the lyrics and none of them said the music wasn't progressive. 
 
 
 
 


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Posted By: Steven Brodziak
Date Posted: February 08 2011 at 07:56
Wow, shocked at the number of folks out there that claim they don't care for Kansas "The Wall"! Oh, I mean Floyd boys. I think "The Trial" alone is an incredible composition both in music & lyrics. Ever try to shuffle the Wall? Don't do it man! The Wall IMO has just 1 maybe 2 too many songs. Talent? 5 stars. Lyrics? 5 stars. Story? 5 stars. Vocals? 5stars. Instrumentation? 4.8.  Overkill on certain sections?----definately.
 
Why are you running away........?


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Posted By: thehallway
Date Posted: February 08 2011 at 15:17

In terms of "amount-of-progness-based-on-popular-ideals-of-prog-rock":

Most other prog bands > Lyrics > Music > Most other rock bands.



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Posted By: Jazzywoman
Date Posted: February 08 2011 at 15:22
It'sextremely progressive...it's not my favourite though.  I prefer Meddle or Wish You Were Here.

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Posted By: DanthraX
Date Posted: February 08 2011 at 15:59
LOL

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Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: February 09 2011 at 03:05
Only if you're a N00B!       

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Posted By: O666
Date Posted: February 09 2011 at 04:20
Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

A complicate concept exploited with intense lyrics. Musically speaking each track fades into the following with continuity as they were several parts of a single suite. Long guitar parts i.e. Comfortably Numb. A little weak in keyboards but they are always present. Do you need anything else to call it "progressive" ? Isn't Young Lust enough to call it "Rock" ? 
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Posted By: digdug
Date Posted: February 09 2011 at 10:45
Yes .... this should not even be a question

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