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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Subject: The Dark Elf File
Date Posted: February 01 2011 at 20:02
Available for your perusal, The Dark Elf File http://darkelffile.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow - http://darkelffile.blogspot.com/ , a journal of commentary on rock and literature.
The latest offering is http://darkelffile.blogspot.com/2011/01/psychedelicide-69-greatest-songs-from.html" rel="nofollow - Psychedelicide! The 69 Greatest Songs from the Psychedelic Age , but their are also lists on great concept albums, live albums, acoustic rock songs, etc., as well as album reviews. You may be interested to know that the next article will be a two-parter on the 50 greatest albums from the progressive rock era, which should be out in a week or so.
Stop by and drop a line! Commentary is always welcome.
P.S. Another essay you fellow 'prog-heads' may find of interest is this: http://darkelffile.blogspot.com/2010/09/classical-rock-influence-of-wolfgang.html" rel="nofollow - Classical Rock! The influence of Wolfgang, Ludwig and Johann Sebastian on Rock Music.
Cheers!
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Posted By: Zombywoof
Date Posted: February 02 2011 at 18:33
I just wanted to say that I love your work! Your style is very informative and honest and I can tell you truly have a passion for the music that you are discussing. I also think it's ironic how you recently reviewed two albums that I discovered just a few days ago: Days of Future Passed and Liege and Leif and perfectly worded my feelings on those records. I especially enjoyed the way you discussed how The Moody Blues and bands of the time made beautiful music, and it truly brought me back to a lot of popular music, and I realize that this is why I don't have a taste for it. However, I don't think that all new music is lacking this beauty (see Phideaux's Doomsday Afternoon or The Decemberists' The Hazards of Love, among others), but I agree that most of it is, exactly how you described it. All in all, two of my favorite reviews that I've seen on PA. I'll be certainly looking forward to reading your blog (the part about the Psychedelic Rock looks interesting). Keep up the good work!
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: February 02 2011 at 20:08
Thanks so much Zombywoof -- or would that be "the Zomby Woof behind your eyes"? (I love Over-Nite Sensation).
I appreciate the feedback. I look at things from a strictly subjective point of view (objectivity is highly overrated), and as a musician of 30 years and a lover of music of all kinds for even longer, it seems to me that there has been a definite and highly noticeable erosion of musical composition (or musical taste perhaps) beginning in the late 70s and continuing unabated up to the present. Oh sure, there are bands here and there that still put out amazing music (the bands you mentioned, for instance, or Tool, Gov't Mule, Cactus Tree, and even Radiohead occasionally); but for the most part we live in an aural wasteland of Diddies and Ga-Gas and Kanyes, and other infantile blather. And I will argue the point with anyone -- anytime, anywhere.
I have been reviewing literally a couple hundred albums for my next article (aptly titled "The Greatest Albums from the Progressive Rock Era" , Parts I and II), and it struck me how some rock albums from the 60s and 70s that I considered mediocre at the time are light years better than what is available now. Is that just me getting older and more curmudgeonly? Perhaps, but I don't think so. Particularly since my musical appetite is far more diverse than when I was a teen or in my 20's.
*Steps down quickly from soap box*
Ummm...sorry. Runaway hyperbole. Thanks again for the gratifying post. Cheers!
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Posted By: Zombywoof
Date Posted: February 02 2011 at 20:35
The Dark Elf wrote:
Thanks so much Zombywoof -- or would that be "the Zomby Woof behind your eyes"? (I love Over-Nite Sensation). I appreciate the feedback. I look at things from a strictly subjective point of view (objectivity is highly overrated), and as a musician of 30 years and a lover of music of all kinds for even longer, it seems to me that there has been a definite and highly noticeable erosion of musical composition (or musical taste perhaps) beginning in the late 70s and continuing unabated up to the present. Oh sure, there are bands here and there that still put out amazing music (the bands you mentioned, for instance, or Tool, Gov't Mule, Cactus Tree, and even Radiohead occasionally); but for the most part we live in an aural wasteland of Diddies and Ga-Gas and Kanyes, and other infantile blather. And I will argue the point with anyone -- anytime, anywhere. I have been reviewing literally a couple hundred albums for my next article (aptly titled "The Greatest Albums from the Progressive Rock Era" , Parts I and II), and it struck me how some rock albums from the 60s and 70s that I considered mediocre at the time are light years better than what is available now. Is that just me getting older and more curmudgeonly? Perhaps, but I don't think so. Particularly since my musical appetite is far more diverse than when I was a teen or in my 20's. *Steps down quickly from soap box* Ummm...sorry. Runaway hyperbole. Thanks again for the gratifying post. Cheers! |
I think that it's a matter of taste. People want that 'instant gratification' and they don't really want to sit and listen intently, many times, to every pitch on a Magma or Henry Cow album to get it! Personally, I enjoy music that is like this, but I've noticed that most folks find the current music more comfortable and easy to listen to. I really tried to bring creative music back through my school radio station. After sitting through 2 years of "Ga-Gas" and "Kanyes", I decided to bring some of the music that I was into to the airwaves, in hour long weekly shows. It was a ton of work and a ton of fun (hey, much like listening to prog!!), but I gave up after a year when I realized that I couldn't reach anyone who already had their ears and minds shut. I then came to the conclusion that there really isn't such thing as "good" or "bad": only music and individual tastes, and I have no taste for music that is very bland and unoriginal! I have a theory that in just a few years time, pop music will become so dull and lifeless that you won't be able to discern one note from the next and there will be no sense of identity or change what-so-ever.
I'm a musician, too (about 9 years on flute due to my Tull obsession!) and I also agree with your statement on the decline of popular music in the late 70's. Why is it that the majority of my favorite records were released between 1967-1975? I honestly believe that it has more to do with record companies than musicians. Have you seen the youtube Zappa interview on this very subject? If not: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZazEM8cgt0 .
I loved your blog on the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, by the way! The whole thing is a sham. I can't believe that it took Jeff Beck nearly 40 years to be recognized! I was a huge fan before everybody thought so, because the TV told them he was cool. It was a small win to hear the guy from Phish say that Selling England By The Pound was his favorite Genesis record ... that made the whole thing worth watching!
Oh, and you could say that I'm just about as evil as a boogie man can be!
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: February 02 2011 at 22:29
Zombywoof wrote:
I'm a musician, too (about 9 years on flute due to my Tull obsession!) and I also agree with your statement on the decline of popular music in the late 70's. Why is it that the majority of my favorite records were released between 1967-1975? I honestly believe that it has more to do with record companies than musicians. Have you seen the youtube Zappa interview on this very subject? If not: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZazEM8cgt0.%20%5b/QUOTE%5d" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZazEM8cgt0. |
I completely agree with your assessment regarding the music industry. There is a discussion on another thread on this forum about Tull's A Passion Play, and I made the comment that the album would not be released today by any major label because the industry does not want you to think. They aren't interested in album length songs like Thick as a Brick or lengthy suites like Supper's Ready because they cannot make money of single iPod downloads.
And I too play several Tull tunes ("Salamander", "Mother Goose" and all the acoustic sections from Thick as a Brick are my favorites to play). I've retired from bar bands but I still have several Ovations and Martins lying about that I pick up whenever possible.
Zombywoof wrote:
I loved your blog on the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, by the way! The whole thing is a sham. I can't believe that it took Jeff Beck nearly 40 years to be recognized! I was a huge fan before everybody thought so, because the TV told them he was cool. It was a small win to hear the guy from Phish say that Selling England By The Pound was his favorite Genesis record ... that made the whole thing worth watching! |
As I stated in the article you referred to, it is absolute asininity bordering on criminality that Jethro Tull, Yes, Rush, The Moody Blues and King Crimson are not in the RRHoF. Stupid! Ludicrous! But it is all based on a sinister cabal led by Jann Wenner, publisher of Rolling Stone, and stuffed-shirt critics like Dave Marsh and Robert Christgau, to stop progressive rock bands from getting on the ballot. If they cannot get on the ballot, then the voters can't vote for them. They despise prog-rock, and have admitted as such.
Do you really think Genesis would've been elected to the RRHoF if they had quit being Genesis after Peter Gabriel left, or after they made Trick of the Tail and Wind and Wuthering and Steve Hackett left? They were elected based for their banal 80s commerciialism, not for the grand music they made in the 70s. It is a joke.
Do what I did, boycott Rolling Stone magazine. It is no longer a rock and roll resource in any case, particularly since it now hands out 5 star ratings to hip-hop albums, which in itself is farcical.
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Posted By: Zombywoof
Date Posted: February 03 2011 at 16:26
The Dark Elf wrote:
I completely agree with your assessment regarding the music industry. There is
a discussion on another thread on this forum about Tull's A Passion Play,
and I made the comment that the album would not be released today by any major
label because the industry does not want you to think. They aren't interested
in album length songs like Thick as a Brick or lengthy suites like Supper's
Ready because they cannot make money of single iPod downloads.
And I too play several Tull tunes
("Salamander", "Mother Goose" and all the
acoustic sections from Thick as a Brick are my favorites to play).
I've retired from bar bands but I still have several Ovations and Martins lying
about that I pick up whenever possible.
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Can you imagine a world without A Passion Play? That was probably my
first prog love, as I grew up listening to it ... while other kids were
listening to NSYNC songs, I was usually listening to my favorite
"song", too! About iPods, did you hear the story recently where Roger
Waters made all of the Pink Floyd albums available only as complete albums, not
individual songs? And I agree with your statement, but I think it's not the
industry that doesn't want you to think, it's the audience majority! I recently
read the liner notes in an Egg remaster that pointed out how in the early 70's,
prog and underground music was becoming popular, so record companies would
create divisions in their company that specialized in these bands and sold them
at a reduced price so as to attract listeners. Although I used to blame the
companies, I now have concluded that record companies are into one thing,
unfortunately: business. Basically, if it sells, they'll jump onto the band
wagon!
I love all three Tull titles you mentioned, especially "Salamander"! I can play bits and pieces of
"Thick as a Brick", as well as some sheet music that I have around my
house.
The Dark Elf wrote:
As I stated in the article you
referred to, it is absolute asininity bordering on criminality that Jethro
Tull, Yes, Rush, The Moody Blues and King Crimson are not in the RRHoF. Stupid!
Ludicrous! But it is all based on a sinister cabal led by Jann Wenner,
publisher of Rolling Stone, and stuffed-shirt critics like Dave Marsh and
Robert Christgau, to stop progressive rock bands from getting on the
ballot. If they cannot get on the ballot, then the voters can't vote for them.
They despise prog-rock, and have admitted as such.
Do you really think Genesis would've
been elected to the RRHoF if they had quit being Genesis after Peter Gabriel
left, or after they made Trick of the Tail and Wind and Wuthering
and Steve Hackett left? They were elected based for their banal 80s
commerciialism, not for the grand music they made in the 70s. It is a joke.
Do what I did, boycott Rolling Stone
magazine. It is no longer a rock and roll resource in any case, particularly
since it now hands out 5 star ratings to hip-hop albums, which in itself is
farcical.
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The problem with boycotting Rolling Stone is that I'd have to start buying and
reading it first! I've never had an interest or "time for Time magazine
... OR Rolling Stone" (sorry, I really couldn't resist the reference!). I
have not heard Trick of the Tail or Wind and Wuthering, but I’ve heard all of the Gabriel material
and bits and pieces of the self-titled album from the 80’s and I agree. The
Genesis of the 70’s would never have made the Hall of Fame, because it’s just
not radio friendly and therefor the stations will not play it! Is it possible
that if radio stations started playing Genesis (as opposed to what I call
Genes-isn’t), Rock Band had Frank Zappa tunes, and Facebook advertised for Tull
concerts, that maybe the music might come back? Who knows. People don’t seem to
like to take chances, and the only way to get them into new music seems to be
to be through mediums such as these. It’s amazing how, due to Guitar Hero,
people my age are listening to Rush and Dream Theater! It’s really rather sad,
if you ask me, that people want to play plastic instruments instead of real
ones … but, oh well, that's another discussion entirely. Also, to do a Zappa rock band, the designers would have to come up with a plastic marimba somehow...
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: February 03 2011 at 22:36
Zombywoof wrote:
Can you imagine a world without A Passion Play? That was probably my first prog love, as I grew up listening to it ... while other kids were listening to NSYNC songs, I was usually listening to my favorite "song", too! About iPods, did you hear the story recently where Roger Waters made all of the Pink Floyd albums available only as complete albums, not individual songs? And I agree with your statement, but I think it's not the industry that doesn't want you to think, it's the audience majority! I recently read the liner notes in an Egg remaster that pointed out how in the early 70's, prog and underground music was becoming popular, so record companies would create divisions in their company that specialized in these bands and sold them at a reduced price so as to attract listeners. Although I used to blame the companies, I now have concluded that record companies are into one thing, unfortunately: business. Basically, if it sells, they'll jump onto the band wagon! |
Oh, I don't think you're giving enough emphasis on the dastardly things record companies do. They will take a genre or an underground sound and then twist it to their own sordid ends. They don't nuture a sound, they warp it and squeeze every bit of money out of it. They did it in the 50s and early 60s by having white groups and performers singing black R&B (Pat Boone, for god sakes!), they got a hold of psychedelia in the 60s and eventually had bubblegum bands playing it, they took hard rock of the 70s and made it corporate, until every major band sounded nearly identical: Foreigner, Boston, Journey, Styx, Kansas. When punk rock rebelled and the industry couldn't control the likes of the Sex Pistols, the Ramones or the Clash, they subtley mutated the sound and brought new wave and big hair bands into prominence -- bands that were easier to control and market to wider (and dumber) audiences.
Record companies spend immense amounts of money to control what you hear, to advertise their agendas and the bands they want heard. At one time in the early 60s, there was a "payola" scandal where record companies were paying radio disc jockeys tons of money to play their bands. Whoever paid the most got heard the most and advertised the most. They've gotten smarter since that scandal exploded but don't think it's not happening on a different level. Corporate sponsored concerts and such angered Neil Young so much he wrote a song "This Notes For You" in which he sang, "Ain't singin' for Pepsi/Ain't singin' for Coke/I don't sing for nobody//Makes me look like a joke/This note's for you."
Zombywoof wrote:
I have not heard Trick of the Tail or Wind and Wuthering, but I’ve heard all of the Gabriel material and bits and pieces of the self-titled album from the 80’s and I agree. The Genesis of the 70’s would never have made the Hall of Fame, because it’s just not radio friendly and therefor the stations will not play it! |
Trick of the Tail -and- Wind and Wuthering are two of the best Genesis albums ever made, with or without Peter Gabriel. You definitely need to give them a listen. In fact, I would place Trick of the Tail second to only Foxtrot as Genesis' best. I never got hung up on the whole Peter Gabriel nonsense anyway, particularly because Gabriel made better albums without Genesis.
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: February 15 2011 at 13:52
Another article on the Dark Elf File: Manic Progression! Great Albums from the Progressive Rock Era, Part I...
http://darkelffile.blogspot.com/2011/02/manic-progression-great-albums-from.html" rel="nofollow - http://darkelffile.blogspot.com/2011/02/manic-progression-great-albums-from.html
The first installment of a three-part exposition on the sixty greatest rock albums from the Progressive Era (in my opinion, of course, but then subjectivity and blogs are relatively synonymous).
As always, your comments are welcome. Cheers!
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Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: February 15 2011 at 15:02
I had a look at the zine and it was well written. Have you seen my blog on greatest prog albums through each year?
I am interested in the psychedelic movement myself and have many psych music.
That blog is kind of researched from the most popular albums here and on other websites, or at least those albums that have made an impact in some way on prog.
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=67406&PN=5&title=a-look-at-the-best-prog-albums-through-the-years" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=67406&PN=5&title=a-look-at-the-best-prog-albums-through-the-years
I am a researcher and a writer, in my spare time from teaching College English, so I am always interested in new info on the prog albums.
I look forward to new zines from The Dark Elf File.
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Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: February 15 2011 at 15:50
Reading the Prog Rock list there were no surprises as to most of those choices though it was interesting you chose Gabriel's debut, Gentle Giant's Octopus is a strange choice - perhaps their worst album IMHO, and I thought i had heard all the quintessential albums but then you added Procol Harum Live with the Edmonton Symphony Orchestra, Santana III is one of the only Santanas I dont have, so I will try to get hold of that,
anyway, thanks for the list and the way you justify each inclusion is admirable.
But you are totally right in your disclaimer:
"Honestly, is it not enough to say that Close to the Edge and Thick as a Brick are truly great and important albums? Is it even necessary to stamp #1 on Dark Side of the Moon or Court of the Crimson King for them to receive validation as landmarks of their genre? I love all these albums in their own, eccentric manner, and each has been influential in my personal musical experience. As for omissions based on obscure personal preferences, critics' marginalia, and unrepresented sub-genres, make your own damned list. I am sure you will like it better."
haha, nice one! I know from my blogs the contentious issues that arise when compiling a list. Some of the choices do not seem to make sense but that's Prog!
maybe you could transfer some of your research here to a blog too!
on that note, I will continue now to read the jazz fusion section...
EDIT: All those albums are worth mentioning esp Hot rats, Blow by Blow and Mahavishnu's debut!
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: February 15 2011 at 18:02
AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:
Reading the Prog Rock list there were no surprises as to most of those choices though it was interesting you chose Gabriel's debut, Gentle Giant's Octopus is a strange choice - perhaps their worst album IMHO, and I thought i had heard all the quintessential albums but then you added Procol Harum Live with the Edmonton Symphony Orchestra, Santana III is one of the only Santanas I dont have, so I will try to get hold of that, anyway, thanks for the list and the way you justify each inclusion is admirable. |
Thanks for dropping by ACR! Octopus is Gentle Giant's most accessible album, in my estimation. I am not a great Gentle Giant fan, in any case. The whole "progressive for progressive's sake" leaves them too cold for my blood. To me it's a toss up between Octopus and In a Glass House (which will appear in the next installment) as to which is their best. As far as Peter Gabriel's 1st album (Car), I remember hearing it in high school, and was blown away at how much more I enjoyed Gabriel without Genesis. I still do. Both the Procol Harum and Santana albums are amazing. Give them a listen.
AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:
haha, nice one! I know from my blogs the contentious issues that arise when compiling a list. Some of the choices do not seem to make sense but that's Prog!
maybe you could transfer some of your research here to a blog too!
on that note, I will continue now to read the jazz fusion section...
EDIT: All those albums are worth mentioning esp Hot rats, Blow by Blow and Mahavishnu's debut! |
Choosing albums is a very individualized medium, but I am very firm on what I like and what I consider good, and as a musician I can appreciate really well done albums (whether they are prog, hard rock, blues, jazz or classical).
No, not another blog! One is enough for me, and I also write lengthy reviews for blogcritics.com, so I literally have no time!
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Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: February 15 2011 at 21:27
Thanks Dark Elf
You know your blog kept me interested for hours today! I didnt get any house work done
I learnt much from your attack on the Rock n Roll hall of fame. I posted some comments on your site
I learnt some good news too from the RnR hall of fame website..
http://rockhall.com/inductees/" rel="nofollow - http://rockhall.com/inductees/
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Alice Cooper has been inducted in the HOF this year - by Rob Zombie!
There is hope for Rush after all.
Peace and prog on!
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: February 16 2011 at 22:11
AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:
Thanks Dark Elf
You know your blog kept me interested for hours today! I didnt get any house work done
I learnt much from your attack on the Rock n Roll hall of fame. I posted some comments on your site
I learnt some good news too from the RnR hall of fame website..
http://rockhall.com/inductees/" rel="nofollow - http://rockhall.com/inductees/
!
Alice Cooper has been inducted in the HOF this year - by Rob Zombie!
There is hope for Rush after all.
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I'm glad my literary style stalled your work ambitions.
Yes, Cooper got voted in after I wrote the piece you were referring to. However, it's ludicrous and a sham that Yes, Rush, Jethro Tull, Moody Blues, and King Crimson weren't inducted 10 or 20 years ago. As I stated, it is plain that there is an obvious predjudice against prog at the HOF, and it is due to Jann Wenner, Dave Marsh and other other New York twits who can't stand progressive rock. They won't even allow those bands on the ballot for voters to choose. It is utter B.S.
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: February 23 2011 at 14:15
More Manic Progression! Great Albums from the Progressive Rock Era, Part II...
http://darkelffile.blogspot.com/2011/02/more-manic-progression-greatest-albums.html" rel="nofollow - http://darkelffile.blogspot.com/2011/02/more-manic-progression-greatest-albums.html
The second installment of a three-part exposition on the sixty greatest rock albums from the Progressive Era (in my opinion, of course, but then subjectivity and blogs are relatively synonymous).
As always, your comments are welcome. Cheers!
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Posted By: avestin
Date Posted: February 26 2011 at 18:17
I enjoyed reading it, thanks
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: February 26 2011 at 18:48
avestin wrote:
I enjoyed reading it, thanks
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No, thank you for stopping by!
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Posted By: progismylife
Date Posted: February 26 2011 at 18:55
I saw the link in your signature and started reading. It's great! Keep it up!
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Posted By: avestin
Date Posted: February 26 2011 at 21:53
The Dark Elf wrote:
avestin wrote:
I enjoyed reading it, thanks
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No, thank you for stopping by! |
Will you also cover more recent periods of progressive music "activity"? I'd be interested in reading your take of, say, 90s so-called resurgence of progressive music.
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: February 26 2011 at 22:42
avestin wrote:
Will you also cover more recent periods of progressive music "activity"? I'd be interested in reading your take of, say, 90s so-called resurgence of progressive music. |
The final 20 album installment of the current piece will include an added extra bit on my favorite "new era" albums, but I am going to devote a separate article in regards to newer albums of, as you say, the "so-called resurgence of progressive music".
To be honest, what a lot of posters on this forum refer to as progressive music bears little resemblance to what we of an older generation would refer to as "prog". For instance, I find it hard to categorize a thrash or death metal band like Opeth as "progressive". Just because they throw in some progressive flourishes here and there does not make up for the idiotic growling and shrieking. Growling and shrieking were never a hallmark of classical, folk or jazz influenced prog bands of the 70s. It is really unfortunate and detracts from their music, and the lead singer has a fine voice when he doesn't imitate an extra from The Exorcist. They seem to have more influences from older bands like Korn or even Type O Negative than bands like Yes or ELP.
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Posted By: avestin
Date Posted: February 26 2011 at 22:56
The Dark Elf wrote:
avestin wrote:
Will you also cover more recent periods of progressive music "activity"? I'd be interested in reading your take of, say, 90s so-called resurgence of progressive music. |
The final 20 album installment of the current piece will include an added extra bit on my favorite "new era" albums, but I am going to devote a separate article in regards to newer albums of, as you say, the "so-called resurgence of progressive music".
To be honest, what a lot of posters on this forum refer to as progressive music bears little resemblance to what we of an older generation would refer to as "prog". For instance, I find it hard to categorize a thrash or death metal band like Opeth as "progressive". Just because they throw in some progressive flourishes here and there does not make up for the idiotic growling and shrieking. Growling and shrieking were never a hallmark of classical, folk or jazz influenced prog bands of the 70s. It is really unfortunate and detracts from their music, and the lead singer has a fine voice when he doesn't imitate an extra from The Exorcist. They seem to have more influences from older bands like Korn or even Type O Negative than bands like Yes or ELP. |
Well, I was referring more to the 90s resurgence in the form of Angalgard, Anekdoten, Par Lindh Project. Echolyn etc. or the later bands in the end of the 90s and beginning of the 00s.
But I disagree with regards to Opeth's progressiveness. I don't find it hard at all to categorize any metal band as progressive regardless of the type of vocals. I don't see how the vocals would make it unprogressive. You may not like them, that's perfectly understandable, but it doesn't make Opeth not progressive. They don't just "throw in some progressive flourishes" you need to listen much more carefully than that. And in the case of Opeth he him self, Akerfeldt, admits to draw influence as much from classic rock and prog (Camel, Deep Purple and others) as from old school metal. But I don't compare them to "classic prog", I just hear (and am not alone) progressive writing in their music and in other metal bands, whether they be the "classic" prog metal or the extreme ones.
Anyway, that is not my intention to discuss Opeth's music or metal, I was more interested whether you'd cover more recent prog eras and the various scenes (American, Scandinavian, French, Japanese etc).
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: February 27 2011 at 00:24
avestin wrote:
Well, I was referring more to the 90s resurgence in the form of Angalgard, Anekdoten, Par Lindh Project. Echolyn etc. or the later bands in the end of the 90s and beginning of the 00s.
But I disagree with regards to Opeth's progressiveness. I don't find it hard at all to categorize any metal band as progressive regardless of the type of vocals. I don't see how the vocals would make it unprogressive. You may not like them, that's perfectly understandable, but it doesn't make Opeth not progressive. They don't just "throw in some progressive flourishes" you need to listen much more carefully than that. And in the case of Opeth he him self, Akerfeldt, admits to draw influence as much from classic rock and prog (Camel, Deep Purple and others) as from old school metal. But I don't compare them to "classic prog", I just hear (and am not alone) progressive writing in their music and in other metal bands, whether they be the "classic" prog metal or the extreme ones.
Anyway, that is not my intention to discuss Opeth's music or metal, I was more interested whether you'd cover more recent prog eras and the various scenes (American, Scandinavian, French, Japanese etc). |
Actually, Angalgard's Hybris is one of my favorite "newer" albums (I know referring to an album that came out in 1992 as "new" might be odd, but bear with me ). I'm also a fan of Tool, Porcupine Tree and Apocalyptica (on occasion). Par Lindh's Middle-earth compositions (The Dark Cave, etc.) are excellent. There's a release with Par and Steve Hackett and an Italian musician named Lo Muscio that I'd like to hear. Have you heard it yet?
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Posted By: avestin
Date Posted: February 27 2011 at 07:55
The Dark Elf wrote:
Actually, Angalgard's Hybris is one of my favorite "newer" albums (I know referring to an album that came out in 1992 as "new" might be odd, but bear with me ).[/QUOTE]
Also one of mine! I don't see a problem with calling it one of the "newer" releases. (along with others like Unfolded Like Staircase by Discipline). And with about the even-newer ones like Phideaux, Moon Safari, Simon Says, Wobbler, White Willow, Flower Kings, Magic Pie, Kotebel, Little Atlas, Deluge Grander etc. Some of them simply try to recreate past achievements (and some of them admit it), while others try to carry on what was done before and take over from there (not always successfully, but at least they try).
[QUOTE=The Dark Elf] There's a release with Par and Steve Hackett and an Italian musician named Lo Muscio that I'd like to hear. Have you heard it yet?
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No, I haven't, not even aware of it, but I'll look it out, thanks for the tip!
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: May 25 2011 at 12:36
Available for your perusal over on The Dark Elf File, the final 20 album installment of my overview of progressive rock: "Manic Digressions! The Greatest Albums from the Progressive Rock Era, Part III ", available here...
http://darkelffile.blogspot.com/2011/05/manic-digressions-greatest-albums-from.html" rel="nofollow - http://darkelffile.blogspot.com/2011/05/manic-digressions-greatest-albums-from.html
I've also included a list of selections from more current progressive releases of the 80s, 90s and 00s. Enjoy!
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: June 07 2011 at 22:07
Available for your perusal over on The Dark Elf File: The Greatest Blues Rock Albums of All Time, Part I ...
http://darkelffile.blogspot.com/2011/06/greatest-blues-rock-albums-of-all-time.html" rel="nofollow - http://darkelffile.blogspot.com/2011/06/greatest-blues-rock-albums-of-all-time.html
The first fifteen albums, a whole mess o' blues with copious notes and occasional snide remarks.
Cheers!
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: June 19 2011 at 10:37
Available for your perusal over on The Dark Elf File, The Greatest Blues Rock Albums of All Time, Part II ....
http://darkelffile.blogspot.com/2011/06/greatest-blues-rock-albums-of-all-time_19.html" rel="nofollow - http://darkelffile.blogspot.com/2011/06/greatest-blues-rock-albums-of-all-time_19.html
17 more superlative blues rock releases for your aural edification.
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: July 09 2011 at 00:13
WTF? It's the 1st Anniversary of The Dark Elf File!
In honor of the event, I am presenting a special two-parter on The Greatest Acoustic Rock Albums of All Time. Here is Part One for your aural edification:
http://darkelffile.blogspot.com/2011/07/greatest-acoustic-rock-albums-of-all.html" rel="nofollow - http://darkelffile.blogspot.com/2011/07/greatest-acoustic-rock-albums-of-all.html
Thanks to everyone on Prog Archives who stopped by and commented. Your support is greatly appreciated. Part Two will be available for your perusal in a few days.
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Posted By: Zombywoof
Date Posted: July 09 2011 at 00:37
How about "First Utterance" by Comus? I hope to see it in the second part!
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: July 12 2011 at 17:35
I have wound up the 1st Aniversary of the Dark Elf File with another 30 acoustic rock albums for your review in The Greatest Acoustic Rock Albums of All Time, Part 2 - A Dark Elf File 1st Anniversary Special:
http://darkelffile.blogspot.com/2011/07/greatest-acoustic-rock-albums-of-all_12.html" rel="nofollow - http://darkelffile.blogspot.com/2011/07/greatest-acoustic-rock-albums-of-all_12.html
And so, 50 albums in all. Thanks again, everyone! P.S. And yes, Zombywoof, I did mention Comus.
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Posted By: Zombywoof
Date Posted: July 13 2011 at 00:08
The Dark Elf wrote:
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Nicely written, once again, Dark Elf. I loved seeing all of the Tull (my favorite band) and The Decemberists and Comus were excelent surprises. The things that the guitarists do on that record are phenomenal! Its dissonant, its ugly, its scary, disturbing, and beautiful all at once.
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: August 10 2011 at 16:31
I've added a second article on the epic song in rock music "50 More Great Epic Rock Songs" (not merely progressive rock, but the entire rock genre) here:
http://darkelffile.blogspot.com/2011/08/50-more-great-epic-rock-songs.html" rel="nofollow - http://darkelffile.blogspot.com/2011/08/50-more-great-epic-rock-songs.html
The first article "50 Great Epic Songs" was posted back in August, 2010, and it continues to receive a huge number of hits:
http://darkelffile.blogspot.com/2010/08/great-epic-rock-songs.html" rel="nofollow - http://darkelffile.blogspot.com/2010/08/great-epic-rock-songs.html
So, evidently, based on the hits and the e-mail requests I've received, this continues to be a hot topic on the 'net.
Enjoy and, as always, your comments are welcome!
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: September 18 2011 at 19:34
Hello, all you proggers! You may be interested to read the latest installment over at The Dark Elf File:
The Greatest Rock Albums of the 1960s, Part I...
http://darkelffile.blogspot.com/2011/09/greatest-rock-albums-of-1960s-part-i.html" rel="nofollow - http://darkelffile.blogspot.com/2011/09/greatest-rock-albums-of-1960s-part-i.html
Here are the first 30 releases in a planned 60 album article. I will be doing the same for the 1970s and 1980s. With the argumentative bunch here on PA, I am sure there will be disagreements. But what the hell, I am more than up for it!
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: October 23 2011 at 18:17
Greetings, all you prog-types buried here in the archives! Please find, for your aural edification, the latest music installment over at The Dark Elf File...
The Greatest Rock Albums of the 1970s, Part I...
http://darkelffile.blogspot.com/2011/10/greatest-rock-albums-of-1970s-part-i.html" rel="nofollow - http://darkelffile.blogspot.com/2011/10/greatest-rock-albums-of-1970s-part-i.html
Enjoy!
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: December 10 2011 at 18:25
Available for your perusal, my 2ND ANNUAL CHRISTMAS EXTRAVAGANZA on the Dark Elf Blog. This year, it's The Worst Christmas Songs of All Time...
http://darkelffile.blogspot.com/2011/12/worst-christmas-songs-of-all-time.html" rel="nofollow - http://darkelffile.blogspot.com/2011/12/worst-christmas-songs-of-all-time.html
See how many match up to your list!
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Posted By: Zombywoof
Date Posted: December 10 2011 at 18:40
The Dark Elf wrote:
Available for your perusal, my 2ND ANNUAL CHRISTMAS EXTRAVAGANZA on the Dark Elf Blog. This year, it's The Worst Christmas Songs of All Time...
http://darkelffile.blogspot.com/2011/12/worst-christmas-songs-of-all-time.html" rel="nofollow - http://darkelffile.blogspot.com/2011/12/worst-christmas-songs-of-all-time.html
See how many match up to your list! |
I was recently in a Men's Warehouse and heard a song with the lyrics "I Want an Alien for Christmas". You should look that one up, because it's pretty awful...
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: December 10 2011 at 18:53
Zombywoof wrote:
The Dark Elf wrote:
Available for your perusal, my 2ND ANNUAL CHRISTMAS EXTRAVAGANZA on the Dark Elf Blog. This year, it's The Worst Christmas Songs of All Time...
http://darkelffile.blogspot.com/2011/12/worst-christmas-songs-of-all-time.html" rel="nofollow - http://darkelffile.blogspot.com/2011/12/worst-christmas-songs-of-all-time.html
See how many match up to your list! |
I was recently in a Men's Warehouse and heard a song with the lyrics "I Want an Alien for Christmas". You should look that one up, because it's pretty awful... |
The Fountains of Wayne song? Meh, it's not that terrible. It's sort of funny if you read the lyrics. It just not the very height of terribleness. I can't see it being more dreadful than the ones I listed. But then, there's always next year's edition.
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: January 17 2012 at 17:43
New for your edification on The Dark Elf File...
The Greatest Rock Albums of the 1980s, Part I:
http://darkelffile.blogspot.com/2012/01/greatest-rock-albums-of-1980s-part-i.html" rel="nofollow - http://darkelffile.blogspot.com/2012/01/greatest-rock-albums-of-1980s-part-i.html
Enjoy!
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: March 03 2012 at 21:01
Now available for your perusal on The Dark Elf File...
The Greatest Rock Albums of the 1970s, Part II:
http://darkelffile.blogspot.com/2012/02/greatest-rock-albums-of-1970s-part-ii.html" rel="nofollow - http://darkelffile.blogspot.com/2012/02/greatest-rock-albums-of-1970s-part-ii.html
I've gone over the top this time and added another 65 albums (plus 7 bonus hard rock/heavy metal albums) to Part I's original 35 for a total of 107 great albums.
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: March 27 2012 at 12:18
Back by popular demand over on the Dark Elf File...
Thirteen More Great Blues Cover Songs
http://darkelffile.blogspot.com/2012/03/thirteen-more-great-blues-cover-songs.html" rel="nofollow - http://darkelffile.blogspot.com/2012/03/thirteen-more-great-blues-cover-songs.html
I get a little more in-depth regarding the history of the covers of the blues originals, then the covers of the covers, and sometimes even the covers of the covers already covered!
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: April 16 2012 at 23:46
My latest installment on The Dark Elf File is...drum roll please...
Son of Psychedelicide! 69 More Great Songs from the Psychedelic Age:
http://darkelffile.blogspot.com/2012/04/son-of-psychedelicide-69-more-great.html" rel="nofollow - http://darkelffile.blogspot.com/2012/04/son-of-psychedelicide-69-more-great.html
Of course, there are several hits from the era, but I've dug up some interesting stuff, a goodly part of it even prog-related (like Aphrodite's Child, Hawkwind, Gong, Soft Machine, Procol Harum, Floyd and Tull). And some good old rarities from H.P. Lovecraft, Morgen, The 13th Floor Elevators, Axe and The United States of America, as well as some of the rock roots of psychedelia from The Ramrods, The Safaris and Dick Dale (Syd Barrett's main influence on Interstellar Overdrive).
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: June 05 2012 at 10:44
For your dinner and dancing pleasure, The Dark Elf File presents:
The Greatest Rock Albums of the 1960s, Part II
http://darkelffile.blogspot.com/2012/06/greatest-rock-albums-of-1960s-part-ii.html" rel="nofollow - http://darkelffile.blogspot.com/2012/06/greatest-rock-albums-of-1960s-part-ii.html
Thirty more great albums from the 60s, plus an additional six oddities from that decadent decade.
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: July 10 2012 at 17:13
Good evening one and all, and particularly to the 2 or 3 prog aficianados who also appreciate the blues.
In honor of the 100th anniverary of the first copyrighted blues tune (way back in 1912), the Dark Elf File offers up...
Great Acoustic Blues Songs, Part One
http://darkelffile.blogspot.com/2012/07/great-acoustic-blues-songs-part-one.html" rel="nofollow - http://darkelffile.blogspot.com/2012/07/great-acoustic-blues-songs-part-one.html
Enjoy!
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: August 01 2012 at 22:04
Hey, it's a new month and a new subject over on the Dark Elf File:
Progressive Blues: The Greatest Twists of an Old Musical Form, Part I...
http://darkelffile.blogspot.com/2012/08/progressive-blues-greatest-twists-of_1.html" rel="nofollow - http://darkelffile.blogspot.com/2012/08/progressive-blues-greatest-twists-of_1.html
Check out the innovative blues techniques of the 1960s and 70s in the first part of a series. Special thanks to the ProgArchives forum folks for their input on this one.
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: September 01 2012 at 18:26
Something new for you over on the Dark Elf File! This time, instead of aural edification, I'm offering a visual stimulus package...
The Greatest Rock Album Covers of All Time, Part I
http://darkelffile.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-greatest-rock-album-covers-of-all.html" rel="nofollow - http://darkelffile.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-greatest-rock-album-covers-of-all.html
The first 25 album covers of an ongoing series. Not surprisingly, prog albums figure prominently.
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: October 01 2012 at 15:32
Well, it's a new month and time for a new installment of The Dark Elf File...
The Saddest Rock Songs of All Time, Part I
http://darkelffile.blogspot.com/2012/10/the-saddest-rock-songs-of-all-time-part.html" rel="nofollow - http://darkelffile.blogspot.com/2012/10/the-saddest-rock-songs-of-all-time-part.html
So get drunk, curl up in a fetal position and feel absolutely miserable for the several hours worth of listening it will take to get through these 50 songs. I'll be offering up another 50 shortly if you aren't feeling wretched enough.
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: October 27 2012 at 22:12
Hello all! It's almost Halloween, and The Dark Elf File presents:
A Halloween Special: Great Scary Songs for Samhain!
http://darkelffile.blogspot.com/2012/10/a-halloween-special-great-scary-songs.html" rel="nofollow - http://darkelffile.blogspot.com/2012/10/a-halloween-special-great-scary-songs.html
Fifty-seven songs total, with a few eerie classical compositions thrown in, and even some prog (prog is genuinely frightening to some people!).
Enjoy....if you dare...mwa-ha-ha-ha-ha!
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: November 01 2012 at 23:41
A scathing editorial for you on The Dark Elf File:
Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Endorses R&B Hall: Half of the Inductees Leave!
http://darkelffile.blogspot.com/2012/11/rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-endorses-r.html" rel="nofollow - http://darkelffile.blogspot.com/2012/11/rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-endorses-r.html
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: December 01 2012 at 21:16
Hey, it's Christmas (or nearly so)! And the Dark Elf File is serving up its Third Annual Holiday Feast:
A Holiday Music Special: Great Versions of Traditional Christmas Carols
http://darkelffile.blogspot.com/2012/12/a-holiday-music-special-great-versions.html" rel="nofollow - http://darkelffile.blogspot.com/2012/12/a-holiday-music-special-great-versions.html
Thirty-three
traditional Christmas carols, hymns and airs performed by a wide range
of modern artists: Bert Jansch, Jethro Tull, Steeleye Span, Albion Dance
Band, Blackmore's Night, Great Big Sea, Phil Keaggy, The Chieftains,
Jeff Beck, Bela Fleck and Tom Waits, to name a few.
Warm Yule Greetings!
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: January 13 2013 at 14:07
Hey, it's new year! What better way to start it off, and in the process offer a bit of prognostication for the way it's going to go, by offering a list of
The Greatest Blues Songs of All Time, Part I...
http://darkelffile.blogspot.com/2013/01/the-greatest-blues-songs-of-all-time.html" rel="nofollow - http://darkelffile.blogspot.com/2013/01/the-greatest-blues-songs-of-all-time.html
So, here's the first fifty tunes, with another fifty coming up in a later installment (or a hundred, depending on how bad this year is).
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: March 12 2013 at 12:55
Strange as it may seem, some of us prog-heads have a deep and abiding love for the blues. And so straight from the vaults, I bring you:
The Greatest Blues Songs of All Time, Part II...
http://darkelffile.blogspot.com/2013/03/the-greatest-blues-songs-of-all-time.html%20" rel="nofollow - http://darkelffile.blogspot.com/2013/03/the-greatest-blues-songs-of-all-time.html
Fifty more blues standards and forgotten pearls for your listening pleasure.
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: April 12 2013 at 01:16
And now for something completely different on The Dark Elf File:
The Greatest Film Scores & Soundtracks Of All Time
http://darkelffile.blogspot.com/2013/04/the-greatest-film-scores-soundtracks-of.html" rel="nofollow - http://darkelffile.blogspot.com/2013/04/....dtracks-of.html
50 great scores and soundtracks. See how many you agree with.
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: June 04 2013 at 13:47
So, as I spend a lot of time discussing music from previous eras, what have I been listening to from 21st century, you may well ask? Well, here we are:
Greatest Albums of the 21st Century: 2000 - 2013, Part One
http://darkelffile.blogspot.com/2013/06/greatest-albums-of-21st-century-2000.html" rel="nofollow - http://darkelffile.blogspot.com/2013/06/greatest-albums-of-21st-century-2000.html
A primer on how I spent this century.
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: September 02 2013 at 19:55
After a summer recess, I've added a new article to the Dark Elf File:
Intro: The Greatest Beginning Riffs, Rants and Runs of Rock Songs
http://darkelffile.blogspot.com/2013/09/intro-greatest-beginning-riffs-rants.html" rel="nofollow - http://darkelffile.blogspot.com/2013/09/intro-greatest-beginning-riffs-rants.html
The most memorable intros, first riffs, vocals, keyboard runs and bass lines in rock music, prog and otherwise.
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: July 15 2017 at 16:09
Well, I've revived, resuscitated and otherwise resurrected my music blog from a few years of inactivity. Considering I haven't done a damn thing with it for quite a while yet it still is getting over a thousand clicks a month, I figured what the hell. My newest article is "Anthems for the Antsy: Fifteen Songs Under One Minute Long", with a few prog and/or prog-related bands thrown in. Enjoy! http://darkelffile.blogspot.com/2017/07/anthems-for-antsy-fifteen-songs-under.html" rel="nofollow - http://darkelffile.blogspot.com/2017/07/anthems-for-antsy-fifteen-songs-under.html
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: July 23 2017 at 09:41
Hey, the PA site is back up! Must have crashed yesterday.
Anyway, new on the Dark Elf File....
Complicated Romances: Great Progressive Rock Love Songs
25 love songs from various artists during the heyday of Progressive Rock. Because, some of us love prog and actually date girls (we even get married!).
http://darkelffile.blogspot.com/2017/07/complicated-romances-great-progressive.html" rel="nofollow - http://darkelffile.blogspot.com/2017/07/complicated-romances-great-progressive.html
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: July 30 2017 at 18:05
Man (or woman) does not live on Prog alone. Rock and Roll was built on the Blues (no matter what symphonic accouterments were gaudily painted on later), so I know there are a decent amount of folks here who appreciate the blues (and remember that even a progressive darling like Jethro Tull started as a blues-rock band before composing 44 minute long ballads).
So, if you are interested in the blues but don't want to dive whole hog into the genre, I've scanned the interwebz for cheap releases that are simply great blues albums, and cover wide range of artists and style from the 1930s to the 1970s:
Twenty-Five Essential Blues Albums - A Primer For Budding Blues Fans On A Budget
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: July 30 2017 at 18:08
kudos to you for maintaining an eclectic blog, never quite knowing who's paying attention ~
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: July 30 2017 at 18:22
Atavachron wrote:
kudos to you for maintaining an eclectic blog, never quite knowing who's paying attention ~
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Thank you very much, David. I never know who's paying attention either! But if it's one thing I find irritating is some folks being dismissive of music because "it's not prog!" Too much great stuff around to just pigeonhole oneself to a single genre.
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Posted By: Blaqua
Date Posted: July 30 2017 at 20:52
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: July 30 2017 at 21:55
Blaqua wrote:
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Moriquendi of Beleriand.
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: August 18 2017 at 19:55
Here's a new music article for your reading and aural edification on The Dark Elf File:
Era Enders: How the Psychedelic 60s Became the Hard Rock (or Punk Rock, Prog Rock, Country Rock, Soft Rock, etc.) of the 1970s
I just chose, in my own inestimable, curmudgeonly way, rock songs that presaged the '70s sounds and genres we enjoyed (or hated), but were released in 1969 (or were recorded in '69 and released in early 1970). Nothing scientific or research-filled, just my gut feeling. Enjoy.
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: August 19 2017 at 20:36
The Dark Elf wrote:
Here's a new music article for your reading and aural edification on The Dark Elf File:
Era Enders: How the Psychedelic 60s Became the Hard Rock (or Punk Rock, Prog Rock, Country Rock, Soft Rock, etc.) of the 1970s... |
Very nice ... good choices and I'm not sure I could add a whole lot more.
FP -- Matty Groves was the song that became known the most, but Reynardine remains one of the prettiest things ever, and probably one of the best guitar things Richard Thompson ever did, and he has many of them for sure.
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: August 19 2017 at 21:04
moshkito wrote:
The Dark Elf wrote:
Here's a new music article for your reading and aural edification on The Dark Elf File:
Era Enders: How the Psychedelic 60s Became the Hard Rock (or Punk Rock, Prog Rock, Country Rock, Soft Rock, etc.) of the 1970s... |
Very nice ... good choices and I'm not sure I could add a whole lot more.
FP -- Matty Groves was the song that became known the most, but Reynardine remains one of the prettiest things ever, and probably one of the best guitar things Richard Thompson ever did, and he has many of them for sure. |
Thank you, Mosh. I could have chosen Reynardine or Tam Lin as well. Either is stellar. And Sandy Denny's voice! I don't think Fairport ever reached the same heights without Sandy.
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: August 20 2017 at 12:53
The Dark Elf wrote:
... Thank you, Mosh. I could have chosen Reynardine or Tam Lin as well. Either is stellar. And Sandy Denny's voice! I don't think Fairport ever reached the same heights without Sandy. |
The song of hers (and there are many) that really stands out is the last one, and probably what is on the album (Rising for the Moon) is probably a tribute to her more than anything else. "One More Chance", and ... well, she didn't get another chance we could say.
On the remastered album she does the same song on piano by herself, and that is even better and so insanely scary when you know what is coming ... it's almost like she knew it. But the violin/guitar duet in the album version is outstanding and so beautifully done.
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: August 20 2017 at 13:28
moshkito wrote:
The Dark Elf wrote:
... Thank you, Mosh. I could have chosen Reynardine or Tam Lin as well. Either is stellar. And Sandy Denny's voice! I don't think Fairport ever reached the same heights without Sandy. |
The song of hers (and there are many) that really stands out is the last one, and probably what is on the album (Rising for the Moon) is probably a tribute to her more than anything else. "One More Chance", and ... well, she didn't get another chance we could say.
On the remastered album she does the same song on piano by herself, and that is even better and so insanely scary when you know what is coming ... it's almost like she knew it. But the violin/guitar duet in the album version is outstanding and so beautifully done. |
Oh, I agree in regards to "One More Chance". My favorite of hers has always been "Fotheringay", a song that certainly sounds traditional, but which Sandy wrote. In addition to her haunting voice, the acoustic guitar interplay between Richard Thompson and Denny is excellent as well.
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: September 02 2017 at 14:13
For your aural edification, another music article from The Dark Elf File. I went looking for the dirtiest, nastiest, filthiest guitar licks from that greatest era of rock that straddled the 60's and the 70's. Some of these riffs have been known to induce convulsions in the timorous and weak. Nuns have become promiscuous and given up their calling, in essence kicking the habit, after hearing some of these songs.
Kings of the Sleaze: The Nastiest Rock Guitar Riffs, Licks and Leads of the 1960s and 1970s
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: September 02 2017 at 15:17
Hi,
A very nice list, though I would probably list more Europeans that are not as well known, as the majority of the ones you got.
But, damn .... I went on a listening binge just for fun ... very enjoyable listing.
Possible additions, even if the music is very different:
Big Brother and the Holding Company - Ball and Chain. I always thought this taught the English how to use a guitar screaming ... and Janis always saying I can scream just as good as you!
CAN - Mother Sky. The hard part for American audiences in listening to this is how the improvisation develops and sometimes repeat. It's very European in its music traditions, and consequently not something that American audiences can stay with a lot, since it is more fluid and kinda never stops.
Amon Duul 2 - Yeti (the title song)/Dehypnotized Toothpaste (Dance of the Lemmings)/Apocaliptyc Bore-Mozambique (Vive La Trance). In my book, this is the perfect mix of improvisation and song. This guy can rip it non stop in Yeti ... and make David Gilmour sound like he can only do scales and one note ... and then goof around with sound effects non stop in DotL.
Guru Guru - Very early stuff with Ax Genrich deserves attention here, although I doubt that most here can enjoy some Cosmic Junk and Slop and noise and not want to go get their toothbrush and haircut right after it! I always thought that he did not fancy himself a Jimi, but that if noise was part of the music, and in the early "krautrock" it was, and then some. Even in Dance of the Flames, the new guitarist is influenced by Jon McGlothlen and GG just turns it up and lets it rip.
Richard Pinhas/Heldon - Sadly these albums are not exactly "listenable" for anything that resembles a commercial style or design. And Richard's philosophical discussions in the Eurock periodicals are even more out there and difficult to interpret and you wonder where the strings and the fingers meet ... if at all!
Maybe this is your next list ... the great stuff that is not listenable for most ... hehehe ... and then add a Jon Mc and a Terje Rypdal ... doing Jimi's chamber music with DAvid Darling ... wait a minute ... that's music?
Great fun reading your stuff and go chase it down for a listen.
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: September 02 2017 at 18:06
moshkito wrote:
Hi,
A very nice list, though I would probably list more Europeans that are not as well known, as the majority of the ones you got.
But, damn .... I went on a listening binge just for fun ... very enjoyable listing.
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Thanks, Mosh.
I try to not be too esoteric when sharing compositions (although I have mentioned Amon Duul II and Can in previous articles). I attempt to find a middle ground as far as familiarity, as my readership includes more than just prog fans (hence, the inclusion of bands like Aerosmith and Van Halen, for whom I mildly despise except for an album or two).
Regarding Big Brother and the Holding Company, as far as I'm concerned it was Janis and then the rest of them (many of the leads still make me cringe). Her final album, Pearl, showed what she could do with a more professional band. Too bad she couldn't overcome her demons and record more.
But there are certainly bands that are more "out there", compositionally speaking. I probably could have added another 50 to the list of 50+ songs I included. I'll probably add a part 2 in the future. Thanks again.
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: September 23 2017 at 15:51
And yet another music article available for your perusal on The Dark Elf File, this one is rather introspective and more personal than my usual commentary ("Objectivity" is, after all, my middle name). It is titled, "Favorite Songs From My Childhood: A Musical Reverie", and presents my recollection of tunes from my adolescence, from the first Beatles appearance on The Ed Sullivan Show, to my first concert, Alice Cooper, when I was 12 (and thus became radicalized).
Favorite Songs From My Childhood: A Musical Reverie
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: September 25 2017 at 05:48
Hi,
Lovely list ... TV did not come to my mind until after I came to the US and even then, it was a problem, because I could not speak English, and nothing made sense ... even in a movie styled way. Gosh ... my list would be the horrors for prog folks. Mind you a lot of this was before I came to the US, and only from being able to catch some radio in rinky dinky places in the state of Sao Paulo in Assis and Araraquara.
Maria Betania - Carcara Ray Charles - I Can't Stop Loving You Gilbert Becaud - Et Maintenant Edith Piaf - Hymne a l'amour Beatles - She Loves You Rolling Stones - Paint It Black and Between the Buttons albums Harry Belafonte - Be darned if I know the name of the song or album Herman and the Hermits early stuff
Some classical music, though ... Rite of Spring (from Lenny of course) ... Turandot (Nielsen, Tebaldi, del Monaco and Leinsdorf) ... Tosca (with Gigli ... listen to the aria ... absolutely soft and beautiful, compared to Pavarotti's ear ripping) ... Ravel with Bolero ... and the odd one ... Carl Orff and Carmina Burana which was really cool when you are 13, 14 and 15!
After October 1965, all hats and tastes are off to the races!
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