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Topic: "National" Subgenres!
Posted By: Gandalff
Subject: "National" Subgenres!
Date Posted: January 22 2011 at 08:29
I´m expecting, judding by frequency of reviews, posts etc., domination of one unnamed subgenre (due to possible bias). Though  I´m curious for other results.
 
Notice for soreheads: Zeuhl isn´t French national subgenre but Kobaďan artificial one, incidentally made in France.


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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: January 22 2011 at 08:33
RPI for me, though Canterbury is very close. Krautrock is very hit-or-miss and I dont know any Indo/Raga.

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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: January 22 2011 at 09:03
LOL, Canterbury isn't a "national" style, and neither is Indo/Raga (which is mostly comprised of musicians around the world playing in "Indian" style). 


Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 22 2011 at 09:08
Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

LOL, Canterbury isn't a "national" style, and neither is Indo/Raga (which is mostly comprised of musicians around the world playing in "Indian" style). 

I was going to say that Canterbury isn't a nation. But we know it's just for poll purposes. Funnily no Zeuhl here.


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Posted By: zravkapt
Date Posted: January 22 2011 at 09:11
Not all Canterbury artists are British. Not all Krautrock groups are German. Not all Zeuhl is French. The overwhelming majority of Indo-Prog is not from India.
 
Everybody knows RPI will win this.


Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: January 22 2011 at 09:21
I know that I should go explore RPI, but now I vote for Canterbury Scene. No doubt.

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Posted By: Prog Geo
Date Posted: January 22 2011 at 09:50
Canterbury scene!!!My alternative vote goes to Krautrock.

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Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: January 22 2011 at 10:09
Krautrock for me. 

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Posted By: 1967/ 1976
Date Posted: January 22 2011 at 11:17
RPI and the so called Canterbury School.

I vote for RPI cause I am italian


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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: January 22 2011 at 11:20

I only know the Canterbury Scene very well, the rest I've heard some classics but not beyond that. However, that may just say my preference hehe, I do prefer the Canterbury Scene.



Posted By: Atoms
Date Posted: January 22 2011 at 11:20
Canterbury is my favorite genre out of all genres so it will of course get my vote, and I for one count Canterbury as a national genre, it was created in England and most of the original bands are English (Gong is one exception). But Zeuhl would've suited better in this poll than Indo.


Posted By: petrica
Date Posted: January 22 2011 at 11:23
You forgot Kobaďa on this one. Hopefully they are to far away to be mad at you.


Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 22 2011 at 11:24
Originally posted by Atoms Atoms wrote:

Canterbury is my favorite genre out of all genres so it will of course get my vote, and I for one count Canterbury as a national genre, it was created in England and most of the original bands are English (Gong is one exception). But Zeuhl would've suited better in this poll than Indo.

I must visit the nation of Canterbury sometime.


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Posted By: Harold-The-Barrel
Date Posted: January 22 2011 at 11:33
Canterbury for me! then some Italiano

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Posted By: let prog reign
Date Posted: January 22 2011 at 11:34
Poor Indo prog/ Raga rock


Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: January 22 2011 at 12:24
Canterbury over RPI

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Posted By: TrevRockOne
Date Posted: January 22 2011 at 12:30
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:


I must visit the nation of Canterbury sometime.


Canterbury is not a nation, but it is contained in one; therefore, the scene is confined to one nation (barring a few strange outliers); ergo, a national subgenre, which is what I think the topic creator meant and is by no means a faulty interpretation of the term,"national sub-genre," so no need to get snippy.


Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: January 22 2011 at 12:34
Originally posted by zravkapt zravkapt wrote:

Not all Canterbury artists are British. Not all Krautrock groups are German. Not all Zeuhl is French. The overwhelming majority of Indo-Prog is not from India.
 
Everybody knows RPI will win this.


Yes, that's true: not all Zeuhl is French. Only 90% of the bands.


Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: January 22 2011 at 12:35
Originally posted by TrevRockOne TrevRockOne wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:


I must visit the nation of Canterbury sometime.


Canterbury is not a nation, but it is contained in one; therefore, the scene is confined to one nation (barring a few strange outliers); ergo, a national subgenre, which is what I think the topic creator meant and is by no means a faulty interpretation of the term,"national sub-genre," so no need to get snippy.
 
Risky business telling Snowy that Canterbury is not a nation LOL .  I don't think he'll take it lightly. 
 
Cantenbury Wink for me closely followed by Krautrock!
 
I can hear him coming I'm off!Wink


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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 22 2011 at 12:35
Originally posted by TrevRockOne TrevRockOne wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:


I must visit the nation of Canterbury sometime.


Canterbury is not a nation, but it is contained in one; therefore, the scene is confined to one nation (barring a few strange outliers); ergo, a national subgenre, which is what I think the topic creator meant and is by no means a faulty interpretation of the term,"national sub-genre," so no need to get snippy.

There is always need to get "snippy"


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Posted By: Nathaniel607
Date Posted: January 22 2011 at 13:20
Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:

Originally posted by zravkapt zravkapt wrote:

Not all Canterbury artists are British. Not all Krautrock groups are German. Not all Zeuhl is French. The overwhelming majority of Indo-Prog is not from India.
 
Everybody knows RPI will win this.


Yes, that's true: not all Zeuhl is French. Only 90% of the bands.

Nah, there's a whole bunch of it from Japan.


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Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: January 22 2011 at 13:29
For all recent and following soreheads: I´ve used commas around the word "National" in the title and added the notice about Zeuhl in my first post. Maybe it´ll be better.

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A Elbereth Gilthoniel
silivren penna míriel
o menel aglar elenath!
Na-chaered palan-díriel
o galadhremmin ennorath,
Fanuilos, le linnathon
nef aear, sí nef aearon!



Posted By: akaBona
Date Posted: January 22 2011 at 16:50
canterbury


Posted By: Atoms
Date Posted: January 22 2011 at 17:21
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Atoms Atoms wrote:

Canterbury is my favorite genre out of all genres so it will of course get my vote, and I for one count Canterbury as a national genre, it was created in England and most of the original bands are English (Gong is one exception). But Zeuhl would've suited better in this poll than Indo.

I must visit the nation of Canterbury sometime.

If you're interested, it goes also by the name: The Land of Grey and Pink


Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 22 2011 at 17:38
Originally posted by Atoms Atoms wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Atoms Atoms wrote:

Canterbury is my favorite genre out of all genres so it will of course get my vote, and I for one count Canterbury as a national genre, it was created in England and most of the original bands are English (Gong is one exception). But Zeuhl would've suited better in this poll than Indo.

I must visit the nation of Canterbury sometime.

If you're interested, it goes also by the name: The Land of Grey and Pink

Oh! I think I've been there!Cool


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Posted By: Formentera Lady
Date Posted: January 22 2011 at 17:46
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:


Oh! I think I've been there!Cool

What happened to Gromit? Shocked


Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: January 22 2011 at 21:26
RPI is really the only genre I've had an intense immersion into, although Indo/Raga is an extremely interesting and enjoyable genre.

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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 23 2011 at 03:56
Originally posted by Formentera Lady Formentera Lady wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:


Oh! I think I've been there!Cool

What happened to Gromit? Shocked

Had to have him put down.......rabies!


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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: January 23 2011 at 07:57
Originally posted by Nathaniel607 Nathaniel607 wrote:

Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:

Originally posted by zravkapt zravkapt wrote:

Not all Canterbury artists are British. Not all Krautrock groups are German. Not all Zeuhl is French. The overwhelming majority of Indo-Prog is not from India.
 
Everybody knows RPI will win this.


Yes, that's true: not all Zeuhl is French. Only 90% of the bands.

Nah, there's a whole bunch of it from Japan.


"A whole bunch"? Yes, it's true there are many bands: Ruins, Koenjihyakkei, Bondage Fruit and a few others...
But not only these bands have started in the late 80's or the early 90's, they also are less numerous than the French bands or even the French musicians who were influenced by or played in Magma: Zao, Weidorje, Jannick Top (in solo), Potemkine, Eskaton, Dün, Altaďs, Shub-Niggurath, Troll, Neom, Setna... I won't list them all, there's a page about Zeuhl on PA.

I will never deny the importance of the Japanese scene, but I still think it doesn't really compete with the French scene if you're talking about the amount of bands.



Posted By: MonsterMagnet
Date Posted: January 24 2011 at 10:22
rather Canterbury, but Raga rock is yet very good, particular and interesting although underestimate (I've this impression anyway)


Posted By: Gandalfino
Date Posted: January 27 2011 at 04:58
RPI leads and has my vote too.


Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: January 27 2011 at 05:00
I think I will vote for Italian Progressive Rock too.

A city in Kent is second and Cabbage Rock third.




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Posted By: chrijom
Date Posted: January 27 2011 at 12:24
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Atoms Atoms wrote:

Canterbury is my favorite genre out of all genres so it will of course get my vote, and I for one count Canterbury as a national genre, it was created in England and most of the original bands are English (Gong is one exception). But Zeuhl would've suited better in this poll than Indo.

I must visit the nation of Canterbury sometime.

Please do it's wonderful! Approve


Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: January 27 2011 at 13:02
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

I think I will vote for Italian Progressive Rock too.

A city in Kent is second and Cabbage Rock third.


LOLAlways good-humoured! I really like your posts!Thumbs Up


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A Elbereth Gilthoniel
silivren penna míriel
o menel aglar elenath!
Na-chaered palan-díriel
o galadhremmin ennorath,
Fanuilos, le linnathon
nef aear, sí nef aearon!



Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: January 28 2011 at 07:26
Originally posted by petrica petrica wrote:

You forgot Kobaďa on this one. Hopefully they are to far away to be mad at you.
Kobaia is a planet, not a nation, and thankfully mature enough not to be bothered about being excluded from this poll. You'd better hope that the people of ORK don't find out though...
 
From this list I'll go with Canterbury, although for me there's only a gnat's whisker between it and Krautrock.


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Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: January 28 2011 at 14:12
Originally posted by Syzygy Syzygy wrote:

Originally posted by petrica petrica wrote:

You forgot Kobaďa on this one. Hopefully they are to far away to be mad at you.
Kobaia is a planet...
Oh! It seems you seriously trust in Kobaďan mythology. OK, you´re just right man on your place.Wink

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A Elbereth Gilthoniel
silivren penna míriel
o menel aglar elenath!
Na-chaered palan-díriel
o galadhremmin ennorath,
Fanuilos, le linnathon
nef aear, sí nef aearon!



Posted By: The Wrinkler
Date Posted: January 28 2011 at 19:52
I'll vote for the crazy Germans.



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