Ya know ITCOTCK is good, but...
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Topic: Ya know ITCOTCK is good, but...
Posted By: FishyMonkey
Subject: Ya know ITCOTCK is good, but...
Date Posted: June 11 2005 at 21:04
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Krimson has done much better stuff. People seem to prop this album
because it's the original prog rock pioneer...but that doesn't
automatically make it good. Don't get me wrong, half of it is good,
like 21st Century Schizoid Man and I Talk To The Wind...but the title
track has moments of genius too scattered in between. Also, Moonchild
isn't too great. Pretty at first, then just bad. I liek the album, but Red, Lark's Tongue, Discipline, and even some of their recent stuff is much better in my opinion. I'd put them at: 1. Red 2. Lark's Tongue 3. ITCOTCK 4. Discipline 5. Three of a Perfect Pair Just cause they pioneered the sound doesn't mean there isn't better....once again, I LIKE ITCOTCK. I LOVE KING CRIMSON. Just ITCOTCK isn't their best in my ears...it's not as creative as Lark's Tongue or as beautiful as Red can get. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/FishyMonkey/?chartstyle=artists"> 
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Posted By: Leo Karmev
Date Posted: June 11 2005 at 21:23
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01- Red 02- In the court 03- Larks tongues in aspic 04 Discipline (altough the live version of the songs are much better) 05 Islands
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Posted By: HeirToRuin
Date Posted: June 11 2005 at 21:27
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I think The Power To Believe is excellent in its own right without having to stand up next to classic stuff.
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Posted By: Man Overboard
Date Posted: June 11 2005 at 21:28
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I think The Power To Believe stands up to the classic stuff quite well. The Eyes Wide Open DVD set would make any open-minded individual a believer in the beauty of modern Crimson. ------------- https://soundcloud.com/erin-susan-jennings" rel="nofollow - Bedroom guitarist". Composer, Arranger, Producer. Perfection may not exist, but I may still choose to serve Perfection. Commissions considered. |
Posted By: frippertronik
Date Posted: June 11 2005 at 21:47
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1.islands 2.red 3.itcotck 4.lark's tongues 5.the power to believe ------------- a plague of lighthouse keepers |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: June 11 2005 at 22:17
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I agree with you. It is a great album, but not there best. I think Larks' Toungue..., Red, Discipline, and possibly TPTB are better. Moonchild is deffinatly the worst, but all the rest are solid to great. All fans of prog need to hear this album, IMO. And, yes, it is hyped because it started it all, but that's ok, i think it can stand up to that fame, almost anyway. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: steelyhead
Date Posted: June 11 2005 at 22:18
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1-Red 2-Lizard 3-ITCOTCK 4-Discipline And I just canīt stop listening to Starless (possibly the best song written in this planet) |
Posted By: ozricman
Date Posted: June 11 2005 at 22:51
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I like...
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Posted By: undefinability
Date Posted: June 11 2005 at 22:52
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I haven't really gotten into them aside from In the Court of the Crimson King, so I couldn't really express anything besides I think the album is fine as a whole. ------------- "Don't listen to me." |
Posted By: Progger
Date Posted: June 11 2005 at 23:00
| I think it's a decent album but not their best by a long shot. 'Moonchild' is a poor track & was a sign of things to come when Fripp got full control of the band. I also disagree it was the album that started it all. 'The Nice' should be credited for that IMHO! |
Posted By: bluetailfly
Date Posted: June 11 2005 at 23:02
Waaaayyy too much information... ------------- "The red polygon's only desire / is to get to the blue triangle." |
ozricman wrote:
Posted By: Tony
Date Posted: June 11 2005 at 23:11
I like:
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Posted By: mickstafa
Date Posted: June 11 2005 at 23:38
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Now that I own all the studio albums of the 70's KC, I have to say I
enjoy each album in its own right - there is not a single weak album
among them. While ItCotCK (more specifically being blown away by Schizoid) introduced me to KC, I agree it is not their best album. All but one tracks are stellar; Moonchild just is plain boring. I'm sorry, I know Fripp is a genius and all (proven by his subsequent works) but no matter how "technical" Moonchild may be, I will never be entertained by it. One of my more recent albums is In the Wake of Poseidon. I really like it, and in some respects, I think it surpasses even the great debut album. I'm no fan of ranking music, especially when it is all stellar, but ItCotCK (like most other KC albums) is just one song shy of being a complete masterpiece front to back. That's my take on it. |
Posted By: Yanns
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 00:19
You know, we could also try being mature. |
Posted By: HeirToRuin
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 00:28
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The live ProjeKcts are really interesting...and make for good party music.
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Posted By: BebieM
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 00:46
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Yes, it is their best, and probably the best album of all time. !!!  |
Posted By: NetsNJFan
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 00:52
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I Like:
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Posted By: Hangedman
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 03:48
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I like every studio album, and heres the order. 1. Red but they are all very good! |
Posted By: Man Overboard
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 03:51
Anyone who abbreviates it any other way than ITCHYCOCK is quite simply wrong. 
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Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 03:53
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I think ITCOTCK is their best... and anything after Red was a waste of time! ------------- THIS IS ELP 
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 04:02
| Better to see them live. |
Posted By: Eclipse
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 04:27
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yes, it is a bit overrated, but still a great album. KC has made much better on LTIA and Red, though. So, my list is: 1. Larks Tongues 2. Red 3. ITCOTKC 4. 3 Of A PP 5. Discipline |
Posted By: hugo
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 04:38
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1. Larks Tongues 2. Red 3. Starless and Bible Black 4. Three of a Perfect Pair 5. Power to Believe in the court...would be near the bottom for me. |
Posted By: omri
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 06:03
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Well, I agree it is more respected for it's pioneering (it is not the first prog album but it the one that puting the standard to anything that came after) and it's not a perfect album (but not very far away of it) but I would give it five stars for the combination between importance and music. Ranking only the 70's staff (the rest is different but also good IMO) my list would be : 1. Red 2. Lizard 3. Lark's tounge in aspic 4. Islands 5. Starless & bible black 6. In the court of the crimson king 7. In the wake of Poseidon 8. Earthbound All the first seven are 5 stars IMO ! ------------- omri |
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 07:40
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I like: 1. ITCOTCK - really their best, I think 2. Red - Their best album from the Wetton / Bruford - era 3. Larks' Tongues In Aspic 4. Lizard 5. In The Wake Of Poseidon 6. Thrak - their best post-Red album and I don't like: 1. Beat - sounds like Talking Heads to me, and the songs do nothing for me |
Posted By: transend
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 07:51
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I TOTALLY agree with this thread.. ITCOTCK...yuk....what is that crap on side 2? 'Moonchild...'.. I love 'Lizard', 'Red', 'Larks tongues..' all great...why their first album is so heralded loses me..I think 'in the wake of poseidon' craps on it. |
Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 08:07
This list is IN ORDER! From best to worst. ------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on! |
