Dream Theater fans
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Topic: Dream Theater fans
Posted By: Entropia
Subject: Dream Theater fans
Date Posted: June 11 2005 at 14:45
| How many of you have heard the original version of a change of seasons?? |
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 11 2005 at 15:08
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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: June 11 2005 at 15:13
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what do you mean by "original"? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Entropia wrote:Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: June 11 2005 at 15:59
the 1989-version? ------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on! |
Posted By: Man Overboard
Date Posted: June 11 2005 at 16:01
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I've heard a half-dozen different versions... some with other
vocalists, some with different words, some with different
structures... that's a song that changed a LOT over time, and
it's a shame that once they put it out on an EP they no longer felt the
need to update it. As soon as a year or two before the recording,
it was much different than the EP version... ------------- https://soundcloud.com/erin-susan-jennings" rel="nofollow - Bedroom guitarist". Composer, Arranger, Producer. Perfection may not exist, but I may still choose to serve Perfection. Commissions considered. |
Posted By: Valarius
Date Posted: June 11 2005 at 18:55
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I haven't heard any originals versions, but I think the song is absolutely perfect just the way it is. |
Posted By: Tommy
Date Posted: June 11 2005 at 19:03
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Oh no, not another DT thread. Don't they have their own fans forum where these sort of questions can be asked. I'm sure you'd get a better response over their. Hey, I like DT & Octavarian is a very good album but there seems to be an overload of DT threads lately |
Posted By: Valarius
Date Posted: June 11 2005 at 19:04
| So ignore them. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 11 2005 at 19:07
Obviously the DT fans can't resist to start threads, and the DT bashers can't resist to reply ... I love a good heated discussion   ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: BleedingGum
Date Posted: June 11 2005 at 19:44
It's a simple concept. You do not want to read DT Threads... just don't read...not even click on the link ... just like me.   ------------- ...this is called....BleedingGum ... ! |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 11 2005 at 19:50
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God, you'll hate me for being picky, but its not an EP is it, its an album. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Man Overboard
Date Posted: June 11 2005 at 19:58
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It's an EP. A Change Of Seasons was intended for Images And
Words, but never got recorded until post-Awake. To pad the
release out, they threw on some live cover tracks. Hence, an EP.
------------- https://soundcloud.com/erin-susan-jennings" rel="nofollow - Bedroom guitarist". Composer, Arranger, Producer. Perfection may not exist, but I may still choose to serve Perfection. Commissions considered. |
Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: June 11 2005 at 20:15
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And it is even longer than Images and Words! |
I believe it is around 59 minutes long, while IAW is around 57???Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 11 2005 at 22:53
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I know the history of the album already, but its not an EP. Live tracks mixed with studio tracks do not an EP make! Hence a LP! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: undefinability
Date Posted: June 11 2005 at 23:02
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I've heard it, but I don't have it in my possession at the moment. I'm sort of split between both, though. ------------- "Don't listen to me." |
Posted By: Man Overboard
Date Posted: June 11 2005 at 23:05
DT refers to it as an EP. If it wasn't, Octavarium would've been their 9th album, killing all the symbolism.  ------------- https://soundcloud.com/erin-susan-jennings" rel="nofollow - Bedroom guitarist". Composer, Arranger, Producer. Perfection may not exist, but I may still choose to serve Perfection. Commissions considered. |
Posted By: Yanns
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 00:23
Good point there Man Overboard |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 04:54
There must at least be 5 threads where that matter is clarified. I wish people would read AND remember ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: Valarius
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 06:03
| I don't care what it is... I'd still consider it an album... IE: "Have you heard the album a Change of Seasons?"... |
Posted By: DavidInsabella
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 07:06
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Posted By: transend
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 07:46
| I kinda like the live version on 'Live scenes...' the most..it works so much better on that CD set.. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 07:50
Put it like that, your right! I never bothered to count 'em before! Defies all logic to me though. Seems they've streched the maeaning of EP out of all shape! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 07:54
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Hey what do you know. I've just been to DT's website and they describe Live at The Marquee as an EP too! I guess they don't know what they're talking about. Sounds like an album becomes an EP on just say so! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 09:27
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Have a look: http://encyclopedia.laborlawtalk.com/Ep - http://encyclopedia.laborlawtalk.com/Ep It all boils down to an arbitrary decision that the artists or the record company makes. A Change Of Season contains one Studio track, Live at The Marquee none at all. The live tracks are basically official bootlegs. I can understand why Dream Theater wouldn't call these two records full albums. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 10:20
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Hi Entropia, Getting back to your original question, I have not heard the original, although I'm led to believe that it was never really got finally completed until the EP (now lets not start..) it lay around in bits and they had several goes at revising it between SFAM and Awake. I'm guessing that 'the original' as such was never in sufficiently coherent shape to perform, as they would have shoved it onto 'Cleaning Out The Closet' (Xmas 1999) or another Fan Club disk before now. Let me know what you think. ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: Gentle Ronnie
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 10:46
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...suck. There, I finished the sentence.
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Posted By: Nobuo22
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 11:07
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I was so dissapointed by Octavarium. All the dream theater albums so far has been great. A mix of melodic/epic songs. But now all the songs are pure metal with no feeling. It sucks. Why did they have too make their last album for a while so bad. Im so dissapointed. But one bad album out of so many doesnt ruin my interest for Dream theater. ------------- add me to your msn list if you want to talk about dream theater,final fantasy,porcupine tree,lifehouse or goo goo dolls. |
Posted By: Geee
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 11:10
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That's what I was going to say! You read my mind! Cheers ------------- "Just as a bell that has been rung cannot be "unrung", the annoying problem with the Truth is that, once you learn it, you can not "unlearn" it." |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 12:43
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I had never heard that before.....What an amazing release that would have made if Change of Seasons was included on the already awsome Images and Words! |
.....though perhaps a pre-mature release of the song would not have been as good as what turned out to be the final recording......I haven't heard any other versions...how do they compare?Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 12:50
I don't, I've always considered them full albums anyway But If DT decide they're not its up to them I guess! Seems strange to me to have an Ep of nearkly an hour though!  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 12:56
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I think I'll go record one hour of noise and sell it to you as an LP ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: Entropia
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 22:11
I actually found a video of it being played live in 93....it's pretty good but i'm glad they changed it for the EP. |
Posted By: 46and2
Date Posted: June 12 2005 at 22:52
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if you
think about it it is an ep, because octavarium is their "8th" studio
album. if COS was an "lp" it would be their 9th.
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Posted By: frenchie
Date Posted: June 13 2005 at 18:35
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A Change of Seasons is definetly an EP for it is only officially 25 minutes long, the other tracks are bonuses. EG... the mars volta's debut is about 60 mins long but with the bonus track it is 67 mins long i think, but officially it will remain as 60 mins as bonus tracks dont count towards the actual content. ACOS = EP it is NOT an LP or studio album and DT make this very evident. ------------- The Worthless Recluse 
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Posted By: Valarius
Date Posted: June 14 2005 at 03:28
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I still say "Have you heard the ALBUM A Change of Seasons?". I don't really care, what REALLY matters is that it is an amazing piece of music. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 14 2005 at 04:21
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Only officially 25 mins long! Well we disagree on that one. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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