Gary Numan for Prog related! really!
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Topic: Gary Numan for Prog related! really!
Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Subject: Gary Numan for Prog related! really!
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 08:20
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Yeah I know what you are thinking
did he fire 6 shots or only 5
well to tell you the truth in all this excitement I kinda lost count myself
But being this is a progarchives, the most powerful prog site in the world and will blow your head clean off
you gotta ask yourslef a question
Is Numan Prog Related
well is he.......... punk!
 In all seriousness Numan should be reconsidered. i just heard his latest and it IS prog! Beleive me, listen to this...
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awesome isnt it! Like NIN in fact Trent Reznor loves Numans stuff and vice versa - they are similar styles. NIN are here...
I have every album of the mighty Numan , my all time fave male artist and a lot of his stuff is definitely prog.
I mention albums such as Pure, Sacrifice, Exile and Beserker for a start. Replicas is proggy and so is Pleasure Principle. The latest album is prog!
The Electronic/Gothic/Industrial genre has prog elements.
I think Numan deserves a place in PR and it would open a few minds here who think Numan is all Cars and Are Friends Electric. That is not the case. Numan is an incredibly prolific artist who influenced my tastes in music and many other proggers I believe. Listen to his albums and the prog influences are there.
He is definitely industrial now but used to be electronica and even jazz at one stage - he has evolved from year to year and survived 4 decades despite critical sniping!
I have read all the comments on other Numanish threads and nothing convinces me that he does not deserve a polace in the archives - his influence on music is phenomenal and deserves recognition.
I will write the bio if you like............ I love all his music as you can see. I have followed his wor since 1979 when i was only a teen. ------------- 
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Posted By: PROGMAN
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 08:33
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The track Asylum has a nice proggy/experimental dark feel to it.
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Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 08:43
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Actually I had forgotten that old B Side - quite hard to get but here it is
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Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 08:46
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and this
dark isnt it?
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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 08:52
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Surely to God, we've had enough controversy with Bjork, haven't we? For the record, I was around when Numan was big in the early 1980's. The Tubeway Army hit Are Friends Electric was, and still is, one of my favourite pop electronic songs. It's great, and I really like a lot of what he has done. But prog? Absolutely not, under no circumstances whatsoever. At this rate, we really will have Michael Jackson on the site because HiStory was a concept album off a sort. I don't mean to be rude (honest  ), but I really do think some of the proposed additions are going beyond what could reasonably be considered sensible.------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: Lizzy
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 08:52
Queen's Roger Taylor played drums on two tracks from Dance, and tom toms on another track from the same album. According to PA Queen is prog related. => Gary Numan is prog related.  QED  You can clear him away for addition. ------------- Property of Queen Productions... 
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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 08:56
Lizzy. Phil Collins performed a Genesis track on Face Value, so that makes him prog related at least, surely? 98.9% of members on the forum would happily garrot me for even daring to suggest such a thing. I know your post was intended humorously (I think anyway  ), but these discussions are really getting to be slightly silly. ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Lizzy wrote:Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 09:00
No, that ==> Gary Numan is related to prog related  |
Posted By: earlyprog
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 11:54
| In the aftermath and turmoil of adding Nine Inch Nails I was waiting for the right timing to suggest Gary Numan's addition to PA myself. He belongs here. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 12:01
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Why not? You got my vote. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Lark the Starless
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 12:08
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 12:15
He suggested to Prog Related.
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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 13:13
Alright then But prog related? Absolutely not, under no circumstances whatsoever. ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 13:25
 Ok then. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: chrijom
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 13:27
| well he certainly is not Prog, although I do like his music, however neither is Bjork or Tori Amos and their here so why not? Let's have 'em all! |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 13:39
Be careful what you wish for, my dear chap. BECAUSE, next up on PA:  Altogether now.....Ooohhh! ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: chrijom
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 13:46
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Posted By: Lark the Starless
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 13:51
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 13:52
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^ he's bad. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Lark the Starless
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 13:54
He's really really bad.
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 13:57
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Suspend all additions to prog-related indefinitely. That's my opinion and I think we should have done it 3 years ago. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: chrijom
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 14:00
he is bad, in fact he's probably getting a bit smelly now!
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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 14:10
Ugh. Just about to enjoy pork chop as well  ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 14:26
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Just listened to him this week- seems more like goth-pop-rock to me. Is that even a genre?
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Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 14:46
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Posted By: Xanatos
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 15:55
| I love "Cars" |
Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 15:59
| Bring him in; he's actually made forward-thinking music. Then, remove ALL post-89 hacks who have never done anything except defile the art form once known as music. |
Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 16:01
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^^^^ Man those ukelele guys are good! -------------
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Posted By: clarke2001
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 17:48
He's not BAD, he's BAĐ.
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Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 17:56
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^^^^ Synths are great -------------
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Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 18:54
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I'll give him this: he's a great industrial artist. Maybe he's related to a relation to prog related, but his addition imo would be a long shot. ------------- http://ow.ly/8ymqg" rel="nofollow">  
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Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 19:05
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^^^ a long shot... but still a shot!
Numan is related to many styles - pioneer of techno, pioneer of dark synth tracks, pioneer of NIN Industrial style. His influence is huge. too many write him off as a one hit wonder with Cars. He is not doing any Cars-style or related songs now. Check out his DVDs I have them - they are very dark and NIN like. NIN are here. Numan himself would want to be here.
i have emailed Numan on his website and I will tell you what he says.
"Dear Mr Numan. We are wondering on the progarchives website, is your music progressive, if so would that mean you should be added to the progarchives as an artist. Or are you more prog related. What is your opinion on the type of music you play. NIN are on the archives too just to let you know. If you talk to Trent Reznor can you ask him too? Ask what he thinks about being added to progarchives as an artist. i will pass all information to the administrators on a thread when you respond. Thanks"
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 19:05
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...by "latest album" don't you mean "last album"? (Jagged)
He hasn't released anything new in four years. ------------- What? |
Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 19:19
http://www.numan.co.uk/box/numusic.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.numan.co.uk/box/numusic.html
a song called CRAWL is there
and
John Foxx said this about him on myspace
"but Gary also opened up the gates of a new kind of non-format pop music - commercially successful slabs of dark metallic stuff that connected instantly to an entire generation. He altered the way that generation - and all the ensuing ones - listened to singles. Made it possible to have much darker, more adventurous and imaginative things going out there. That was his real success for me. We all owe him a huge debt for that, too." -- JOHN FOXX -------------
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Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 19:23
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^ Industrial is another good description. He makes a worthy case for sure. ------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 19:27
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Hmm, I always seem to forget that the Experimental/Post-metal genre is on here. He would fit much better into that. Maybe related to experimental, rather than being related to being related to prog related ------------- http://ow.ly/8ymqg" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 19:34
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Ah heres another song on official homepage
The Fall from Dead son Rising album out next year -------------
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Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 19:37
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Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 19:38
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 19:46
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 21:55
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He used to be a human, but now he's Gary Numan.
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Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 22:36
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[reversepsychology] This is a great idea. Gary Numan, anywhere, just add him please. [/reversepsychology] ------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow">  https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |
Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: December 08 2010 at 01:19
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I am a numanoid and I love this song so much
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Posted By: FunkyM
Date Posted: December 08 2010 at 12:58
I don't know if that would have the effect some people would want it to have. Wasn't there a bit of controversy not too long ago about additions to certain other categories that would probably fit much better into Prog-related, but they weren't getting in because the criteria was made more restrictive? |
Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: December 13 2010 at 03:51
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I still think Numan deserves more serious consideration. -------------
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Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: December 15 2010 at 12:02
^ So make a PM recommendation to Admin Scott This thread has generated many positives and you know the procedures....------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: March 17 2011 at 17:31
What was the answer?
btw Replicas falls comfortably into the area of electronic prog although pretty much everything after that was eighties synth pop imo.
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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: March 17 2011 at 17:46
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I just got my first Numan album last week (Pleasure Principle I think its called) and the premise is interesting. It's not my personal idea of "prog-rock" but there are some very cool progressive elements to the music. I wouldn't mind being able to review it here if someone adds him.
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: March 17 2011 at 17:57
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I've heard everything he's ever released and while he has slight proggy moments from time to time, I don't see it as direct influence or any other direct connection. So, I don't think Mr Web should be here
 However, I will request that Scott keeps his avatar of Nick Drakes' sister until Numan is added.
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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: March 17 2011 at 18:06
Party pooper. Just for that I'm gonna crank Cars and dance......look away....before you go blind
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Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: March 17 2011 at 18:09
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You can always review him /them on the Non Prog review thread!
Me I'm praying to the aliens!
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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: March 17 2011 at 18:11
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What is your avatar?
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Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: March 17 2011 at 18:13
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My Avatar? ------------- Help me I'm falling! |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: March 17 2011 at 18:13
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Yeah
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: March 17 2011 at 18:15
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An almost proggy moment:
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: March 17 2011 at 18:20
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and another
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Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: March 17 2011 at 18:21
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Its a character called Portnoy from Bloom County. I think he might be a Groundhog ? ------------- Help me I'm falling! |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: March 17 2011 at 18:23
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Oh, ok. I was aware of Bloom but never followed it close. Nice stuff Dean ------------- ...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell" |
Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: March 17 2011 at 19:26
Although it appears that the questions sent to his official site are primarily for a new interview coming up after the tours so he may yet answer, but no correspondence to individuals is given.
I have followed his music since Cars and onto his latest Dead Son Rising.... it has moved through a number of genres over the years and it is easy to pick them out when you have them all according to specific albums and images.
Tubeway Army - The Plan: the punk years, cyber punk image
Replicas to Telekon: Electro New wave - synthesizer heavy, android image
Dance - Warriors: girl vocals and sax years (almost cyber disco). image was android in a suit with silver lips, mad max image too.
Beserker: New sound, no sax, lots more girl backing vocals. White face, blue hair image.
Strange Charm: commercial radio friendly sound, girls, heavy bass, Blade Runner influences. leather jacket image.
Outland: sounds of Predator movie; image like a demi god in white.
Sacrifice - Exile: much more dark, image of an anti-god with darker lyrics.
Pure - Jagged: Industrial prog. First step away from the old styles. Much heavier guitars and synth.
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Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: March 17 2011 at 19:35
I guess the thought crossed my mind to make Numan my avatar. Though Gabrielle is much nicer eye candy and even softens my approach to the posts for some reason, she has that calming effect on me.  |
Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: March 18 2011 at 01:45
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LOL....nothing like TRUE motivation........get to it M-AA-N!! ------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: March 18 2011 at 05:39
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He needs to get in line behind Collin Walcott, and oh I guess The Cars. One of these things is not like the other and that would be Collin.
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: March 19 2011 at 04:38
this is also prog like imo
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Posted By: earlyprog
Date Posted: March 19 2011 at 12:51
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I think a strong case for inclusion has been built here
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: March 19 2011 at 12:55
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Posted By: Bonnek
Date Posted: March 19 2011 at 13:03
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If we want to start adding post-punk artist I think we'd better start with artists like Tuxedo Moon or Coil or Foetus or ... I could go on for a while. Those have at least some kind of connection with kraut, jazz or prog-electronic. Love Numan's music by the way. |
Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: January 14 2012 at 16:10
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Just bumping this to see if any newer members want to add their thoughts. -------------
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: January 14 2012 at 17:21
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He used to be a human but then he became gary numan? I'm going to go and sit in my car now. I am going to sit. In my car... wee dee do wit dee wee dee do wit, de dum do dit de dum to wit... ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: January 15 2012 at 16:44
do you feel safest of all? Can you only receive? are you leaving tonight? can you lock up your doors? Is it the only way to live? IN CARS...dum do do CRASH! dum do do CRASH! -------------
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