If you're younger than 18
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Topic: If you're younger than 18
Posted By: The_Jester
Subject: If you're younger than 18
Date Posted: November 27 2010 at 12:13
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Is there young progers out there that still appreciate something else in prog than prog metal? I'm of those guys. |
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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: November 27 2010 at 12:25
Nope. All proggers under 18 only like prog-metal, and all old guys only like Genesis.
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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: November 27 2010 at 12:26
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... so what else in prog do you appreciate? |
Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: November 27 2010 at 12:28
I'm 14 and pure prog metal is nowhere near my favorite. 
I listen to a huge variety though. ------------- http://blindpoetrecords.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow">  
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Posted By: pianoman
Date Posted: November 27 2010 at 12:33
| I am 18, and I love many types of prog. I'm in a prog band in the archives in fact and everyone else is younger than 18. |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: November 27 2010 at 12:37
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^ Hey cool!! I have relatives that live near FredeROCK, MD
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Posted By: chemebien
Date Posted: November 27 2010 at 12:37
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Im 19, I enjoy prog metal but I prefer clasic prog by far
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Posted By: pianoman
Date Posted: November 27 2010 at 12:38
| At noon? Haha no.. |
Posted By: Mushroom Sword
Date Posted: November 27 2010 at 12:44
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I'm 14. Yes... it's true... Anyway , I only like the classic stuff. Yes, Floyd, Genesis, Zeppelin, and Rush are my favorite. Occasionally I enter the realm of Dream Theater or Animals as Leaders. But yeah, I don't like most of the Modern Prog Metal. And I don't like any alternative rock, pop, hip hop, rap sh*t. Damn, I sound like one of those kids on Youtube that says, "I'm a 12 and I don't like rap". or, "I'm a fetus and I don't like hip hop". I'm sorry. I've failed you all. :( |
Posted By: Luna
Date Posted: November 27 2010 at 12:47
I'm going to be 14 in just over a week, and yes, prog metal got me into prog, but I listen to more rock than metal, not because I like it more but because there is more rock than metal out there, so therefore it is easier to get, and therefore I have more of it, and therefore I listen to it more 
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Posted By: JS19
Date Posted: November 27 2010 at 12:59
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I'm 16 and I think it's sad that a lot of people on here think that we only enjoy Prog because of Prog metal. I enjoy Prog Metal of course, but I am intrigued and surprised far more frequently by classic prog and recently jazz fusion. I have yet to understand Zeuhl, but I'm sure it will come :) It's a shame that for some reason people think that Prog is reserved for those who were around at the time, a lot more than any other genre. I refrain from saying that prog has the most genre 'snobs' but they can be very hostile towards us because we don't 'understand' the genre, when, in fact, they should be encouraging more and more people to get into it ... no matter what age.
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: November 27 2010 at 13:04
Well my kids stay in bed till 1pm on weekends (ones left in the house are aged 15 and 11).......I make them listen to prog rock or they don't get any food or clean towels. My house my rules.....
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pianoman wrote:Posted By: NecronCommander
Date Posted: November 27 2010 at 13:18
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So are we implying here that metal is juvenile and just a phase for teenagers? Hrmph. -------------  
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Posted By: OzzProg
Date Posted: November 27 2010 at 13:22
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18 here, and what is prog? -------------  |
Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: November 27 2010 at 13:22
I didn't take it this way. I took it as older proggers don't like prog metal as much as younger ones do. But this should not be stereotyped. ------------- http://blindpoetrecords.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Madhouse255
Date Posted: November 27 2010 at 13:23
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I'm 16 and listen to ALL types of Prog. ------------- Everything is trying to wake you up to show you that you never left home in the first place. |
Posted By: NecronCommander
Date Posted: November 27 2010 at 13:27
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Well I'm 18, and I've been listening to a good deal of non-prog-metal stuff over the past few months (branching out into the jazz fusion, RIO/Avant, Eclectic, and Crossover genres so far), with plans to explore more, I'm always going to be more of a metalhead than anything else. I just get irked when I say this and then I get written off as being juvenile or having poor taste. -------------
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Posted By: Noak
Date Posted: November 27 2010 at 13:39
| I'm 17. There are no prog bands I despise more than Porcupine Tree, Tool and Meshuggah. Except perhaps Marillion. I prefer Avant Prog and Zeuhl if we're talking Prog. Other than that I'm an avid fan of Free Jazz, Modern Classical music, Experimental Folk music, Noise and Drone. |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: November 27 2010 at 13:40
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It's always dangerous to stereotype, in whatever form. I'm actually constantly amazed by the breadth of knowledge of the genre by some of our younger members. a lot of them can put us oldies to shame! ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: JS19
Date Posted: November 27 2010 at 13:43
The stereotype is definitely there amongst the so called 'purists' Hrmph. -------------
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Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: November 27 2010 at 13:45
I love putting oldies to shame.  ------------- http://blindpoetrecords.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: NecronCommander
Date Posted: November 27 2010 at 13:46
Maybe you've been listening to the wrong kind of metal. There's some excellent avant-metal stuff out there, and a lot of post-stuff has drone/noise influences. Given the stuff you've listed up there, Kayo Dot (all of their styles) would be right up your alley. -------------
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Posted By: NecronCommander
Date Posted: November 27 2010 at 13:47
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I do know a decent amount about classic prog, too. I don't dislike the genre but I don't listen to it too often. Although I am a huge fan of Yes. -------------
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Posted By: Luna
Date Posted: November 27 2010 at 13:53
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^ How many times have you listened to racecar??
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Posted By: NecronCommander
Date Posted: November 27 2010 at 13:54
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Probably 20 times. It's 15 minutes long and I'm trying to learn to play it, so I'm trying to get the song more or less memorized by sound.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: November 27 2010 at 14:27
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I hopped on the prog bandwagon before 18 and you'll have to pry my cold dead fingers to get me off. By the way, we will not be around to need you or feed you when you are 64 as we will likely all be dead, so there  .------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: Mushroom Sword
Date Posted: November 27 2010 at 15:05
| For the record Petrucci is 43... |
Posted By: Dgregsound
Date Posted: November 27 2010 at 16:51
| I'm 7 and I only listen to Zeuhl |
Posted By: The_Jester
Date Posted: November 27 2010 at 16:53
| I understand you weird guys alot since I listen to other types of prog like symphonic prog RIO and Jazz/Rock a lot. |
Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: November 27 2010 at 17:11
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I'm 17 and vanilla prog metal is one of my least favourite subs. My two favourites as of right now would have to be tech/extreme and exp/post and crossover as well, although avant has been grabbing my attention more than ever lately.
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Posted By: VanVanVan
Date Posted: November 27 2010 at 17:17
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I'm 18 and bands like Kansas and Rush got me into prog; newer prog and metal didn't come until much much later. Now I love it all, though.  ------------- "The meaning of life is to give life meaning."-Arjen Lucassen |
Posted By: The Block
Date Posted: November 27 2010 at 17:39
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I'm 14 and one of my favorite bands is Spock's Beard. I also love Frank Zappa -------------  |
Posted By: Jake Kobrin
Date Posted: November 27 2010 at 17:59
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I'm 17 and I don't listen to much metal nowadays, but I love albums in every single subgenre on this site plus alternative rock, folk, indie, experimental, ambient, post-rock, singer-songwriter, electronic, acoustic, black metal, classic rock, shoegaze, doom metal, post-punk, dark ambient, trip-hop, death metal, industrial, pop, neofolk, folk rock, avant-garde, blues, new wave, slowcore, jazz, classical, etc, etc, etc... There isn't a single genre of music that I don't/haven't listened to. ------------- http://www.facebook.com/pages/Dr-Neil-Kobrin/244687105562746" rel="nofollow - SUPPORT MY FATHER AND BECOME A FAN Jacob Kobrin Illustration |
Posted By: Nathaniel607
Date Posted: November 27 2010 at 18:30
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I'm 16 and listen to a great variety of prog (and other). Though I do listen to the classics, I am of the opinion the a lot of the so-called classic masterpieces of prog really aren't as good as some people think... I would name any for fear of being completely hated though! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Nathaniel607" rel="nofollow - My Last FM Profile 
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Posted By: UndercoverBoy
Date Posted: November 27 2010 at 18:37
| 15, I listen to a good variety of Prog, however I don't like it as much as I used to. |
Posted By: clarke2001
Date Posted: November 27 2010 at 18:40
I'm surprised how many really young people we have here. Surel, it's great that you love prog, but... GET OFF THE INTERNET!! Go out, go to a gig, have a drink, kiss a girl, do yoga, go fishing, ride a bike, climb a mountain! Again and again! (I should be doing it too. I'm on computer because my girlfriend is in bed, snoring badly.)  ------------- |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: November 27 2010 at 18:47
I'm 27 and on the computer at least 10 hours a day because I work at my home computer and I don't like crowds and I drink plenty at home thank you very much and I would kiss a girl but I'm married and I can't bend like I used to to do yoga of any sort and I can't fish worth a damn but I tried once and caught a leaf and I haven't owned a bike since I was 12 and the mountains are three hours away. Also, I'm lazy.  ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: November 27 2010 at 18:51
Since I'm 20 I'm assuming this isn't intended for me.  |
Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: November 27 2010 at 19:59
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15 and I listen to EVERYTHING.
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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: November 27 2010 at 20:55
No, but it must be difficult to relate to the 80s metal aesthetic unless you heard it in an 'early' stage. I think those who were not already into proto metal a la UFO, Rainbow, JP in the 70s would have found the drastic increase in crunch in the 80s hard to come terms with. There will be exceptions, of course. That said, I would say that people who listen to only and only metal and dislike mostly everything else have somewhat limited horizons in music, but then I would say that of people who listen to only stadium rock as well, so ignore me, I am an elitist.
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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: November 27 2010 at 21:00
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Also, it's worth noting that classic prog is a rather obscure species for us youngsters ( I am 25 but in the same boat as the kids ) so it's usually tough to get into prog any other way than through DT, Opeth or PT. This must have been repeated ad nauseum on this forum, but outside prog circles, nobody actually talks of albums like SEBTP, Red or Fragile as all time rock classics, so there's no way to learn about them for us. I was fortunate in that I read the term progressive rock for the first time in the context of Pink Floyd, so when I set out to investigate this thing, I already knew it had its origins in the 70s and was not some new development.
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Posted By: Majesty
Date Posted: November 27 2010 at 21:24
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I'm 14 (Heck, 15 in a few days) and, I'm not gonna lie, I do very much enjoy Progressive Metal. It was actually my first approach at prog in general. I don't ONLY listen to it though. It's been a relatively short time since I started digging prog, so my knowledge in it is rather limited. I've been listening to the other common non-prog metal bands such as Genesis, Yes and Rush though, so while Prog Metal is the one I currently enjoy the most, I'm expanding myself. |
Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: November 27 2010 at 22:16
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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: November 27 2010 at 22:28
Good answer Robert  Moris made me think though, we did have some extra time in our pre-Internet youth. What did we do? Probably just watched more TV and played Dungeons and Dragons. I'm quite sure the time wasn't filled with more girls |
Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: November 28 2010 at 00:19
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It's interesting to read the posts here. When I was 15, older hippies would slaughter me because I listened to King Crimson. They thought I was trying to flaunt weirdness. They were rather snooty about it. They never excepted me because I was young. Plain and simple. But it didn't drive me to become a James Dallas Egbert III of the world. Once during a music conversation with young students, the word Disco came up. I mentioned that during my youth, disco fans would stand on one side of the strip with chains and the rockers on the other side with clubs. Violence broke out between the 2 groups on a regular basis. Back then....rockers thought that disco was going to overthrow Rock and protested. No one in the music class age 15 to 19 believed me. They thought I was making the story up. I figure those facts about disco and rock have been wiped out of the publications industry for years now. It's interesting what ROGERTHAT had to say about SEBTP, and Fragile and the outside circles not thinking of those records as Rock classics. Wow, that's really sad when society doesn't even consider the meaning of real facts. False information really influences people's minds doesn't it? |
Posted By: Jake Kobrin
Date Posted: November 28 2010 at 00:21
Wise words my friend! Indeed we should all drop acid and then run across a freeway naked because we think that there's a magical gumdrop forest on the other side! But staying off the internet is for people who listen to My Chemical Romance! Internet nerds prefer Crimson... ------------- http://www.facebook.com/pages/Dr-Neil-Kobrin/244687105562746" rel="nofollow - SUPPORT MY FATHER AND BECOME A FAN Jacob Kobrin Illustration |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: November 28 2010 at 00:56
I think it's mainly because the critics never seem to have truly acknowledged these bands. They couldn't stop people liking them in the 70s but they also made it as easy as possible for people to forget about them when prog faded away from the mainstream in the 80s by more or less pretending these albums were never made. Unlike those rock classics of which we are informed ad nauseum through various articles and lists. Yeah, it's a shame, if I had never heard of prog, I wouldn't know many of these amazing musicians existed, let alone know how great they were/are.
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: November 28 2010 at 01:13
Yup, it's true. I hated all non prog metal until I turned 18, then it was great suddenly. Not old enough to like Genesis though. Thought I did but guess not...  |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: November 28 2010 at 01:17
99% of it is. The other 1% is Pain of Salvation. Anything else must be enjoyed with the caveat that it is impossible to take seriously. I'm mostly serious by the way. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: November 28 2010 at 01:21
Also that. |
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: November 28 2010 at 01:37
Well Pain of Salvation sucks too, so something else must be in that 1%, but otherwise I completely agree with you.
I don't want to do any of those things! Especially fishing, which is the worst waste of time ever. ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: November 28 2010 at 01:40
You don't like anything, though, unless you make a list of things you like like I've been saying. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: November 28 2010 at 01:50
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I'm 17 and listen to prog old and new, non-metal and metal. I'm also 5 and only listen to RIO, voluntarily. ------------- https://gabebuller.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - New album! http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385 |
Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: November 28 2010 at 01:51
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Don't worry young folks, it is allowed to like prog-metal.
We had Hendrix, Janis Joplin, Deep Purple, Black Sabbath, Zeppelin...
I confess that I listened to some early heavy metal when I was a teen, Judas Priest, AC/DC, MSG, UFO... much of modern prog-metal is at least better than that.
Don't forget other stuff though, diversity is one of the key ingredients of the prog genre itself.
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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: November 28 2010 at 02:02
| I don't know, I love JP and much more so than most if not all prog metal I have heard. At least JP could/can unabashedly and without any overt feeling of consciousness celebrate the irreverent release of aggression and energy that is metal music (apart from which their run of great albums in the 70s from Sad wings to Stained Class was very influential and groundbreaking). Some of the pseudo-intellectualism in prog metal is positively insufferable to me, especially because the music doesn't half live up to the posturing. If they are really so mature in their approach and so prodigally talented, why are they so loath to shed their metal roots and venture to explore other genres? No, seriously, that is something I have never understood. Generally, they have neither the complete commitment and conviction to the metal format of their 'true' metal peers (which while boring after too much of it is at least enjoyable in small doses) nor the willingness to break boundaries characteristic of great prog rock bands. |
Posted By: JS19
Date Posted: November 28 2010 at 03:19
The snobs descend...
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Posted By: JS19
Date Posted: November 28 2010 at 03:25
... and oh for gods sakes' Why the blazes to people think that: A. Prog metal is juvenile and simplistic B. That's the ONLY thing that us 'youngsters' listen to C. Were seemingly not mature enough to appreciate the classics Come on, get off your high horses. You need to understand that everyone is allowed to like classic prog whatever else they enjoy. It's not a genre reserved for die hards and it's not for just prog fans, and it's not something you earn the right to like... The attitudes of some of these 'older fans' are really getting to me now  -------------
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Posted By: JS19
Date Posted: November 28 2010 at 03:27
Yes, we do. But one does devote their entire life to a sub-genre of music -------------
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: November 28 2010 at 03:32
Piece of advice, take little of what those two say seriously. Otherwise you will have much rage |
Posted By: JS19
Date Posted: November 28 2010 at 03:36
Grrr I can't help it ... I'm first class trollbait -------------
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Posted By: friso
Date Posted: November 28 2010 at 04:41
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I'm now 21, but I've been listening to 'classic prog' and neo-prog since I was 16. I never listened to prog-metal and I don't expect I ever will. Iron Maiden is the only metal I really like. Nowadays it's all about collecting prog-records on vinyl for me.
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Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: November 28 2010 at 04:49
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Posted By: Bonnek
Date Posted: November 28 2010 at 05:47
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Great to see so many young people here and few are prog-metal only fans. Actually I listened almost exclusively to prog till I was 17 or so. There was no internet then but I spent virtually all of my free-time in libraries, loaning and taping about 20 LPs a week It confirms that listening to prog has nothing to do with age but is rather a matter of getting in touch with it and responding to it (or not). Thanks to the internet all of that is so easy now. |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: November 28 2010 at 06:18
For me, it was NES and playing outside (generally acting out whatever I had done on NES). But from 12 years on, I was in a relationship with a girl pretty much everyday until I married at 19.  I only had like 6 girlfriends during that span too, so I was a pretty committed fellow.------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: clarke2001
Date Posted: November 28 2010 at 07:18
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: November 28 2010 at 07:44
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Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: November 28 2010 at 08:39
It was not meant badly, really, I was just meaning that it's perfectly OK to like metal from any time and at any age, there's quite a lot of metal in my music collection, from the earliest heavy rock to the proper heavy metal of Judas Priest or Van Halen to the prog metal of DT or Pain of Salvation and to the modern metal of Simphony X or Maudlin of the Well.
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Posted By: JS19
Date Posted: November 28 2010 at 08:50
Alright I'm sorry I directed this at you... It was not meant as a personal assault, just the fact that of course I don't just listen to prog metal, i have about as much of it as I have of every other prog-subgenre. It doesn't have to be one or the other, and for most people it isn't. The prog metal die hards are mostly from the metal community and like tehm as well as mainstream metal, whereas I don't listen to any of that -------------
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: November 28 2010 at 09:53
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Anyone here who likes prog metal is a big doo doo head. Whenever we should stop to disagree, this site will become a cold dead place.
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Posted By: spookytooth
Date Posted: November 28 2010 at 10:05
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I've been a big fan of prog rock since I was little, but I really started branching out in Middle school (12-14) when I discovered bands like Camel and Genesis (which immediately became my favorite band after listening to Foxtrot in its entirety) and finding more material from Yes, ELP and Pink Floyd. I also became interested in neo-prog around this time (Marillion, IQ and Pendragon). So when I was younger than 18 I was much more interested in just prog rock instead of prog metal (and it remains that way, though my love for metal is almost as great as prog rock).
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Posted By: Luna
Date Posted: November 28 2010 at 10:06
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Posted By: Jake Kobrin
Date Posted: November 28 2010 at 11:54
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FOR THE RECORD (what with old geezers saying that us hooligans don't appreciate the classics) I have at least 10 Genesis, 8 Camel, 10 Crimson, 11 Yes, and 12 Pink Floyd records in my collection (and I mean vinyl here!) plus most of VDGG's, Gentle Giant's, and tons of other classic prog bands discographies. Most of the younger people I know who like prog at least listen to some of the classics. ------------- http://www.facebook.com/pages/Dr-Neil-Kobrin/244687105562746" rel="nofollow - SUPPORT MY FATHER AND BECOME A FAN Jacob Kobrin Illustration |
Posted By: NecronCommander
Date Posted: November 28 2010 at 12:34
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Even if I do listen to mostly metal, I've never been in opposition to the classics. I used to be a big classic rock guy so I was already listening to stuff like Yes and Floyd, which I still very much enjoy and since I've become a prog fan, this website has introduced me to the likes of Crimson and Gentle Giant, among others. I'm still going back through many of the classic artist's discographies as well. -------------
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Posted By: Mystery
Date Posted: November 28 2010 at 12:41
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I like both 70s stuff and more modern prog music, which is mostly metal. I don't really like a lot of 80s stuff, though. |
Posted By: ProgressiveAttic
Date Posted: November 28 2010 at 13:24
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I am 18 and I actually dislike most prog metal... with counted exceptions (Symphony X, Thought Chamber, some Dream Theater, Kings X, among others) ------------- Michael's Sonic Kaleidoscope Mondays 5:00pm EST(re-runs Thursdays 3:00pm) @ Delicious Agony Progressive Rock Radio(http://www.deliciousagony.com) 
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Posted By: topographicbroadways
Date Posted: November 28 2010 at 13:36
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what i've learned on this site is that most peoples idea of prog is to listen to as many albums from each year since 1966 as is possible in a lifetime. I think what i've noticed is that young proggers tend to dwell on the classics while the older guys try to expand into the present rather than the other way round which i would have expected -------------  
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Posted By: The Neck Romancer
Date Posted: November 28 2010 at 13:53
This.
Porcupine Tree is far from prog metal, except for about 15 songs. And to be honest, I prefer listening to newer stuff than the classics. There's A LOT of great and original fresh music out there. For maximum musical experience, ignore that fella with the red-Charlie Sheen-with-horns-in-a-fiery-background avatar. I have a theory about his neophobia: he's 22 (probably born in 1988) and hates everything made by bands formed after 1989 because he suffered some trauma when he was a 1 year old baby.
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Posted By: Zombywoof
Date Posted: November 28 2010 at 15:06
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I'm exactly 18, do I qualify? Since age 16, I haven't been able to listen to metal, so I think so!! ------------- Continue the prog discussion here: http://zombyprog.proboards.com/index.cgi ... |
Posted By: NecronCommander
Date Posted: November 28 2010 at 15:11
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Starhammer, he's Walter. Walter will be Walter. -------------
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Posted By: JS19
Date Posted: November 28 2010 at 15:19
Well I must disagree in my case but it's an interesting idea  -------------
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Posted By: The Neck Romancer
Date Posted: November 28 2010 at 16:06
I know he's Walter and that's the way he'll be. But it's so annoying... -------------
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: November 28 2010 at 16:30
Walter is a fungi. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: November 28 2010 at 16:46
I forgot to mention how much I hate this stereotype in my O.P.  Just remember - the guys in Dream Theater (the pioneers of prog metal) are in their 40's and 50's. Those "metal kids" in the 80's are all middle-aged people by now. -------------
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Posted By: The_Jester
Date Posted: November 28 2010 at 21:26
| You're totally right but I'm considering the small amounth of people who only enjoys prog in the world and the smallest one who enjoys anything else than prog metal wich is by fact, the most popular sub-genre of prog for the younger generation. And as you said it the mid-aged guys who still listens hardly to metal (like I've seen in tons in fact when I worked for Heavy Montreal even if most of the bands out there weren't prog metal.) |
Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: November 29 2010 at 01:01
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Posted By: benjajl
Date Posted: November 29 2010 at 09:26
| I'm 32 now but I've always been a fan of Rush. My best friend introduced me to Dream Theater. I was probably 16 or 17 at the time. I had no clue what Prog was. Sure I gravitate to the heavier stuff but I love the older Genesis Albums, Jethro Tull, Camel. The more I explore the more I find I enjoy just because it's different. I can't stand to listen to the radio anymore because everything sounds the same so the more I delve into Prog the more new and interesting sounds I discover. So Prog Metal is not just for the yound and the Genesis is not just for the old. It's intelligent music and thats what I enjoy about it, regardless of how it is classified. |
Posted By: thehallway
Date Posted: November 29 2010 at 10:13
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I don't like to be associated with metal...
...not because I dislike the genre but because of the impression it gives older people. I've never really ventured into the metal realm to be honest, but can see no reason why may age would mean I am more likely to enjoy it, after all, there are 5 pages of posts here from people even younger than myself that enjoy prog rock - one of the least popular and most forgotten genres in popular music history!
But I tend to refrain from waggling my age in people's faces, as many (not all) over 30's talk down to you. They tell you that you are ignorant and must respect them. Respect does not appear with age! It is earnt right?
Neither does intelligence, self-awareness, or half of the other things the elderly blab about...
 Of course, experience does come with age, and that can affect the the other attributes. ------------- http://www.thefreshfilmblog.com/" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: thehallway
Date Posted: November 29 2010 at 10:27
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The oldest music I listen to is probably The Beatles and Simon and Garfunkel, I really can't get into Elvis..... The newest music I listen to is from the future..... ------------- http://www.thefreshfilmblog.com/" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: November 29 2010 at 10:59
Because it's energetic and intense music and youngsters are more likely to like it than oldies, that's all, so simple.
 It is also generally true that a lot of music that sounds too polite and sleepy to young ears will sound more appealing with the passage of time. Why do people take offence to generalizations on human tendencies these days? There's nothing wrong with looking at things in a particular way depending on your age, it's part and parcel of life. |
Posted By: thehallway
Date Posted: November 29 2010 at 11:56
I agree with your last two sentences, but the metal stereotype simply isn't true and that's why I'm not content with it.
It doesn't apply to me, to 90% of the young people who have posted in this thread, or to 90% of the other teenagers I know (and I go to a large school). Perhaps things are slightly different in America?
But more important than the sterotype itself, is the reaction it generates from older people, which is generally negative (a stereotype that there are far more examples of on this forum and elsewhere).
That people of all ages judge those younger than them is natural; but that these judgements are inherently negative, and are based on false premises regarding somebody's listening habits, is something that is bound to annoy me.
Tell me that King Crimson isn't intense or energetic any day of the week and I should think you a fool!  ------------- http://www.thefreshfilmblog.com/" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: JS19
Date Posted: November 29 2010 at 13:28
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I recently went to the John Anderson/Rick Wakeman concerts and I was literally the only person under 35 there ... sad -------------
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Posted By: thehallway
Date Posted: November 29 2010 at 13:32
Apart from me! I was at the Basingstoke show  ------------- http://www.thefreshfilmblog.com/" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Noak
Date Posted: November 29 2010 at 13:44
Don't get me wrong, I don't dislike metal at all. I'm a big fan of old school Death Metal and a lot of Black Metal. Progressive Metal has never struck a chord with me really though. And there are a few worthwhile Avant Garde Metal bands out there, but they generally lack a lot of what I like in metal. I like the raw anger and power of Death and Black Metal. I've listened to Kayo Dot and I really don't see what the hype is all about. I thought it was quite boring.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: November 29 2010 at 15:45
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I'm thinking we need a thread for those between 40 and 18.
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Posted By: Tengent
Date Posted: November 29 2010 at 19:08
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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: November 29 2010 at 19:38
Bruce Dickinson is on record saying Iron Maiden's audiences WORLWIDE after 25 or more years of being on the road are young. Metal attracts more youngsters, what is there to debate about this?
What, 90% of young people here don't like metal? That's not what I have read on this thread and not my general impression of the forum either. And you must be attending a very, ermm, progressive school because in most places, people are going to tell it off as too acid or polite.
You do realize that The Jester himself is one of those 'young guys' to quote from his OP?
It is not as intense as Slayer, more pertinently. I am talking only about a physical sense of intensity, not the intensity of the emotions. |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: November 29 2010 at 20:11
You forget that our version of "metal" in those days were the likes of Black Sabbath, Uriah Heep, Spooky Tooth ... and eventually ran into the Dio family and all that ... and you know where that went ... they are the granpa's of metal anyway! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Proletariat
Date Posted: November 29 2010 at 20:28
------------- who hiccuped endlessly trying to giggle but wound up with a sob |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: November 29 2010 at 20:29
When it comes to music the only way I really get to hate something is to be forced to listen to it more than once. I can run away if I need to. Oh, and by the way, when it comes to Elvis, you really don't need to own any of his albums as you have probably heard the stuff in your life enough already. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: November 29 2010 at 20:54
I was thinking the exact same thing! ------------- https://gabebuller.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - New album! http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385 |