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Topic: Rush tour.
Posted By: zepgen8
Subject: Rush tour.
Date Posted: November 23 2010 at 09:34
Reason for the thumbs down folks, Is The ticket prices....Flippin eck !..
It is getting to a point where Fans like me and others cannot afford these inflated charges...
I have been a fan for 30 years, seen them a dozen or so times..Yes I love'em..But .This is outragous..
Anyway, for those who can afford to go !, hAVE A GREAT TIME.



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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: November 23 2010 at 09:36
You forgot to tell us the price!

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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: November 23 2010 at 09:46
I've just had an email about presale tickets released tomorrow at 9am but there are no prices. I will consider going to the O2 but I was a bit disappointed last time by their tendency to play everything exactly the same as the studio versions.


Posted By: iguana
Date Posted: November 24 2010 at 02:17
never mind about exact pricings. they have been too high for too long and many local promoters here in germany are already saying, that the line has now been reached. welcome to half-empty-arena-land, bands & players...

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Posted By: zepgen8
Date Posted: November 24 2010 at 03:57
Sorry , cheapest price back of the Nec..45 plus booking fee..Close to stage 65 pounds plus booking fee and transfer's....Planet Rock have had many emails of complaint about these price's...Pearl Jam charged 30 pounds for tickets last year, So why do Rush fans have to pay so much...It's beyond me...There is a recestion on for pty sake.


Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: November 24 2010 at 04:36
It is a lot......but it is a three hour show.

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Posted By: SFranke
Date Posted: November 24 2010 at 08:52
People said the prices were too high for the US dates, and there were several sell out dates and most shows were very highly attended. It's the US performance that prompted the second leg after all. That  tells me like the ticket prices were set correctly. Higher than the OP wants to pay, perhaps, but not too high in general.

Don't these venues have lawn seating? Those seats were about $30 (~20 pounds) on the US tour if I recall correctly.


Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: November 24 2010 at 08:54
Lawn seating? Indoor lawns?

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Posted By: zepgen8
Date Posted: November 24 2010 at 09:43
I agree totally...I saw Transatlantic in manchester for less then 30 pounds 31/2 hour show..value for money..plus a fantastic performance...Also In a venue you could actually see them up close..


Posted By: zepgen8
Date Posted: November 24 2010 at 09:44
Well, 25 pounds an hour...I would like to earn that !!!.


Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: November 24 2010 at 13:05

1) Price is too high, true. Jethro Tull gig that happened last year here in Czech Republic cost about 1.800 Kč ( $90 ) and I don't think it was longer than two hours.

2)However cost of different kinds of people that helps to make gig alive is rising more and more, so this is probably the cause. I don't know how much musicians get, but I don't think that if ticket costs 25 pounds, it won't be more than 12 pounds.



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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: November 24 2010 at 13:13
I haven't seen Rush since the Moving Pictures tour, so I wouldn't mind going, but the prices really are ridiculous. By the time I get two tickets for the wife & I, travel up to Birmingham or wherever, book a hotel for the night, and have a meal after the gig, you are talking about the price of a holiday, which is just incredible.

Its the reason why I don't go to as many gigs now as I used to. As a civil servant, I'm on a pay freeze for two years, so it can only get worseAngry


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Posted By: Pekka
Date Posted: November 24 2010 at 13:39
In Finland it's 69 euros (92 dollars, 59 pounds approx) to the field standing area, and that's something of a norm for the big gigs nowadays. The prices are going up all the time, on the Snakes & Arrows tour it was 59 for the best seats. That would seem almost cheap now.

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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: November 24 2010 at 23:15
Well I am not going to defend ticket pricing as they have been outrageous for the past 5yrs, getting worse. You have to weigh in your need, want, desire to see an artist live. Lazland, that is a longtime to not see Rush and you know as well as I that in 20 more yrs they will be in a nursing home...go see them.
I posted a review of the show I saw in San Francisco back in August. The Time Machine show is well worth the ticket price, you do not get shorted for the price. In my post I added some pics that my wife took....amazing eye show.
 
I was in the same boat with the Roger Waters Wall tour.......ticket prices here in the US were USD100-250. It was funny as when I went to buy tickets all the "cheap" tickets of USD75 were gone...only left were USD125-250. The decision to not go was solved as my work has me out of the country next month when it is here in Tacoma, WA....That saved me probably USD500 with dinner and t-shirt and parking.
 
Rush was only USD75.00.........well worth it.


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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: November 25 2010 at 01:30

Can't understand the moaning.Those Rush boys must be down to their last few million given the hard times. Perhaps a wip round at the concerts might be appropriate to help them out?



Posted By: paroxix
Date Posted: November 27 2010 at 19:53
In Toronto (Their home Town :D) you coudl get tickets for around $120 for decent seats or like $95 for lawns compared to Iron Madien and dream theater who played the same venue 7 days earlier but for $40 less for teh same seats. compared to that it seemed a silly choice to go see rush becuase i was gonna see either or not both so the dream theater/maiden one seemed like the only choice i heard rush was amazing though so i'm a little disapointed


Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: November 28 2010 at 11:44
Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Well I am not going to defend ticket pricing as they have been outrageous for the past 5yrs, getting worse. You have to weigh in your need, want, desire to see an artist live. Lazland, that is a longtime to not see Rush and you know as well as I that in 20 more yrs they will be in a nursing home...go see them.
I posted a review of the show I saw in San Francisco back in August. The Time Machine show is well worth the ticket price, you do not get shorted for the price. In my post I added some pics that my wife took....amazing eye show.
 
I was in the same boat with the Roger Waters Wall tour.......ticket prices here in the US were USD100-250. It was funny as when I went to buy tickets all the "cheap" tickets of USD75 were gone...only left were USD125-250. The decision to not go was solved as my work has me out of the country next month when it is here in Tacoma, WA....That saved me probably USD500 with dinner and t-shirt and parking.
 
Rush was only USD75.00.........well worth it.


Fair pointClap That review, and the pics, was tremendous. Now all I have to do is put your exceptionally well argued and reasonable point to the wifeOuch


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Posted By: RMR
Date Posted: November 28 2010 at 15:08
Chiming in late on this one. 

Although that i agree the ticket price was high, it was worth every penny, and ticket prices are dictated based on what the audience is willing to pay. I saw them at Boston Garden, and it seemed to be as close to sold out as you can get, so if people are willing to pay the price, I don't foresee them going down. 

I went with my wife and we made a vacation out of it (which I guess made it even more expensive), but they killed the performance. I've seen them about 10 times, and the Boston show as by far the best. 


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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: November 28 2010 at 15:46
I think thats nearly twice the price of the R30 tour when I last saw them...

Not sure I can be arsed this time, to be honest. They're great etc, but I've seen them four times. I may save the cash for bands I've not yet seen.



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Posted By: The Neck Romancer
Date Posted: November 28 2010 at 16:18
I was not going to shell out 250 reais (about 140 dollars) to see a tired trio performing songs exactly as they appear on the album, except for some mistakes, the possibility of gear problems and Geddy's depleted voice range. And I LOVE Rush. Honestly, I prefer to spend my money on something more spontaneous like a Porcupine Tree/Opeth/Jaga Jazzist/Haken ticket.

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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: November 28 2010 at 23:31
Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Well I am not going to defend ticket pricing as they have been outrageous for the past 5yrs, getting worse. You have to weigh in your need, want, desire to see an artist live. Lazland, that is a longtime to not see Rush and you know as well as I that in 20 more yrs they will be in a nursing home...go see them.
I posted a review of the show I saw in San Francisco back in August. The Time Machine show is well worth the ticket price, you do not get shorted for the price. In my post I added some pics that my wife took....amazing eye show.
 
I was in the same boat with the Roger Waters Wall tour.......ticket prices here in the US were USD100-250. It was funny as when I went to buy tickets all the "cheap" tickets of USD75 were gone...only left were USD125-250. The decision to not go was solved as my work has me out of the country next month when it is here in Tacoma, WA....That saved me probably USD500 with dinner and t-shirt and parking.
 
Rush was only USD75.00.........well worth it.


Fair pointClap That review, and the pics, was tremendous. Now all I have to do is put your exceptionally well argued and reasonable point to the wifeOuch
 
Lazy....just ask her nicely, smile and say please Smile


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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: November 28 2010 at 23:40
Originally posted by Starhammer Starhammer wrote:

I was not going to shell out 250 reais (about 140 dollars) to see a tired trio performing songs exactly as they appear on the album, except for some mistakes, the possibility of gear problems and Geddy's depleted voice range. And I LOVE Rush. Honestly, I prefer to spend my money on something more spontaneous like a Porcupine Tree/Opeth/Jaga Jazzist/Haken ticket.
 
At these prices for ANY concert its crazy......In todays age there are some bands in my mind are worth it. I am not a Waters fan but I was seriously thinking of going and spending the USD150 per ticket....because of the experience. You do not leave a concert with physical "stuff" (other than a tshirt)....its the memories you leave with.
 
I have never seen PT in concert and I really want to...I was out of town when they played Seattle on The Incident tour.....I have watched the DVD concert FOABP and I did not notice "spontaneous" behaviour, it all sounded very much like the album FOABP.
At least with a Rush show you get the before, during and after video snipets and all the techno, pyro, lighting that comes along with their shows......That's what I like in a concert....I want to be wowed with a visual mind freak.
 
But I can certainly understand if you have to weigh what shows to go see from a financial perspective....that's the problem we all face with the world economy right now. 


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Posted By: ferush
Date Posted: November 30 2010 at 19:33
The prices don't matter, it's gold by gold only.


Posted By: Roland113
Date Posted: November 30 2010 at 21:22
I believe that ticket prices are inversely proportional to record sales.

I don't know the hard numbers, but the basic business model of a band prior to we'll say 2002 was that the general purpose of a tour was to generate album sales.  Often it was a break even affair.  Once bands lost the ability to generate revenue from their previous source of income, the sale of their music, a new business model had to be invented.  The current model is that the actual production of the music itself is no longer a source of income due largely to the availability of their music on the internet.  The tour is now the money making machine for the business of the band.

It all comes down to the question of whether people will pay the price for the shows, as long as they continue to be at or near capacity, then the answer is 'no, we're not charging too much for the show'.


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Posted By: Harold-The-Barrel
Date Posted: December 03 2010 at 07:11
I bought my ticket for their Dublin show last Friday, I can't wait, price doesn't matter to me when its a Prog giant playing.

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Posted By: Antennas
Date Posted: December 14 2010 at 20:21
Originally posted by Roland113 Roland113 wrote:

I believe that ticket prices are inversely proportional to record sales.

I don't know the hard numbers, but the basic business model of a band prior to we'll say 2002 was that the general purpose of a tour was to generate album sales.  Often it was a break even affair.  Once bands lost the ability to generate revenue from their previous source of income, the sale of their music, a new business model had to be invented.  The current model is that the actual production of the music itself is no longer a source of income due largely to the availability of their music on the internet.  The tour is now the money making machine for the business of the band.

It all comes down to the question of whether people will pay the price for the shows, as long as they continue to be at or near capacity, then the answer is 'no, we're not charging too much for the show'.
This is pretty much spot-on. It used to be "CD's sell enough already, let's enhance the interest even more by doing a tour", nowadays, it's "we're touring, and we hope that if you like what you just heard, you might even buy the CD!"
 
The days of being able to witness a proper band play live for say, 10 euros, are *over* because of the downfall of CD-sales. Still, it's one's own choice whether or not to pay the prices the bands/tour operators ask nowadays.
 
As for RUSH - be sure me and my friends (that's about 20 people) have secured their tickets. The knowledge of them playing the entire "Moving Pictures"-album is already well-worth those costs.


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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: December 15 2010 at 04:31
Originally posted by Antennas Antennas wrote:

Originally posted by Roland113 Roland113 wrote:

I believe that ticket prices are inversely proportional to record sales.

I don't know the hard numbers, but the basic business model of a band prior to we'll say 2002 was that the general purpose of a tour was to generate album sales.  Often it was a break even affair.  Once bands lost the ability to generate revenue from their previous source of income, the sale of their music, a new business model had to be invented.  The current model is that the actual production of the music itself is no longer a source of income due largely to the availability of their music on the internet.  The tour is now the money making machine for the business of the band.

It all comes down to the question of whether people will pay the price for the shows, as long as they continue to be at or near capacity, then the answer is 'no, we're not charging too much for the show'.
This is pretty much spot-on. It used to be "CD's sell enough already, let's enhance the interest even more by doing a tour", nowadays, it's "we're touring, and we hope that if you like what you just heard, you might even buy the CD!"
 
The days of being able to witness a proper band play live for say, 10 euros, are *over* because of the downfall of CD-sales. Still, it's one's own choice whether or not to pay the prices the bands/tour operators ask nowadays.
 
As for RUSH - be sure me and my friends (that's about 20 people) have secured their tickets. The knowledge of them playing the entire "Moving Pictures"-album is already well-worth those costs.


I'm not sure. In the States the concert ticket prices haven't risen like they did in Europe. You can still go to good concerts there paying between 10 to 20 dollars (not major bands, but good contemporary bands).


Posted By: rushaholic
Date Posted: December 15 2010 at 06:21
Saw them on the first leg of the tour this past summer - 2 tickets for maybe $60 each.

Going again this next spring with much better seats but over $100 each.

Hate to pay the high prices but this is a tour that just can't be missed.


Posted By: Kotro
Date Posted: December 15 2010 at 09:10
What, no more Europe dates?

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Posted By: Progfan1958
Date Posted: December 16 2010 at 05:49
Just got my Tix for the April 2011 here in Montreal, and right - prices are getting crazy. With fees each seat was about $105.00 Canadian ( at par with $US these days ), and these were middle are seats about 1/2 way up. What can I say, it's probably one of the last times I'll see them . This show will be almost 37 years from the date I first saw them in November 1974 - price back then was $5.50 for a triple bill, with Rush opening for Nazareth and Rory Gallagher - now THAT's value for your ticket dollar !

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Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: December 16 2010 at 16:11
Hmmm...lets see. 28 years of material to play since their last listenable album? Even @ $30 it sounds roughly analogous to paying for my own waterboarding.

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Posted By: steve j
Date Posted: December 18 2010 at 05:51
Its all to do with supply and demand.  All concerts will sell out, although my step son couldn't afford to go with me so I am on my own.   I haven't missed a tour since Permanent Waves, and not likely to miss them this time.  I don't think there are many tours left in them; this could be the last!!! 
As Progfan1958 above states, I would have loved to see them with Rory Gallagher.


Posted By: rdtprog
Date Posted: December 18 2010 at 06:35
Originally posted by Progfan1958 Progfan1958 wrote:

Just got my Tix for the April 2011 here in Montreal, and right - prices are getting crazy. With fees each seat was about $105.00 Canadian ( at par with $US these days ), and these were middle are seats about 1/2 way up. What can I say, it's probably one of the last times I'll see them . This show will be almost 37 years from the date I first saw them in November 1974 - price back then was $5.50 for a triple bill, with Rush opening for Nazareth and Rory Gallagher - now THAT's value for your ticket dollar !


Wow 1974! You beat by three years when i saw them with Max Webster at 7$. I had a ticket at the last minute close to the stage and will do the same this time. I don't want pay too much and i don't like the idea of paying 13$ fees when you buy online or by telephone. Another big disavantage of buying online is that they automatically give you the seats closer to the stage wich i don't want for a Rush Concert. So usually it's a seats from the sides of the stage and i prefer to see them in front close or away where i can see from a better perspective the light show and the guys.


Posted By: topographicbroadways
Date Posted: December 18 2010 at 09:49
i payed 60 pounds for mine plus how ever much i'm going to end up spending on petrol for a journey too and from birmingham. This is crazy money but i'm not sure how much longer Rush will be around and they are one of my heroes who i want to see more than almost any other band. This is also why i spent around 50 pounds plus travel for Yes tickets in London last year, the line-up isn't worth 50 pounds ticket but it was a great show and again i don't know how much longer they'll be around. 

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Posted By: chemebien
Date Posted: December 18 2010 at 14:55
I paid 160US for the show. Amazing show by the way


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Posted By: Angelo
Date Posted: December 18 2010 at 15:38
I got a ticket for the show in Rotterdam, at 59 euro, that's like $90...

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Posted By: Rockjf1
Date Posted: January 12 2011 at 19:39
Went to Quebec, Canada last year had an incredible price on tickets 60$ you had a ful week of concert saw Maiden,Santana, Hugdson, Rush and an awsome Social Distortion concert over there all outside concerts was amazing. I bought two floor tickets this week to go see rush in montreal got them from scalpers 150$. Not bad praying the rock and roll lord everyday that they by some mysterious chance play 2112 in it's entirity just always wanted to hear that loud guitar at the end and Attention all planets of the solar federation we have assumed controlsHeadbanger


Posted By: NinaHoo
Date Posted: January 13 2011 at 10:01
I think prizes are too high (69 € Finland) and all  travelling expenses and band-shirts (MUST GET at least ONE ) and we have to double  ALL the prizes ... But it is all WORTH of it! 


Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: April 23 2011 at 01:25
Just got back from seeing Rush at the First Mariner Arena here in Baltimore.Took my 13 year old son Bryce,his first concert,and it was magic.Just me and my boy jamming together to one of the greatest bands on the planet.
 
I am exhausted but on Cloud 9 and will post more tommorow.
 


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Posted By: MoodyRush
Date Posted: April 23 2011 at 15:22
I saw them on the first US leg. Twas expensive, but it was my first Rush show, and it was amazing. It was on my bucket list, and I figure they won't be around for too many years, so I better see them now! As I'm young, I saved for it! Big smile

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Posted By: Ozexpat
Date Posted: April 23 2011 at 20:08
Hey ! If you like the band and want to see 'em, I don't see the point in bitchin' about the price. If you really don't want to spend the money then don't go to the gig.
 
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: April 23 2011 at 20:31
I went to the Portland, OR show during the R30 tour, and found it quite disappointing.  I love Rush, but I think they are losing their stride and consistency as a live act.  I won't be shelling out my hard-earned cash for the Time Machine tour, but if I am impressed by the forthcoming "Clockwork Angels" and they decide to go on tour to promote that album, I will likely give them another shot.    


Posted By: Harry Hood
Date Posted: April 24 2011 at 01:27
Keep in mind that many of these artists, including Rush, are getting to be about retirement age. Most of them don't want to be recording/touring until the day they die.

And as you can see in the thread, a lot of people are willing to pay the prices because it "may be their last chance" to see them perform. So the artist gets to earn enough money to retire comfortably, and the fans get to see them one last time. Not a bad scenario, unless you really expect these guys to keep doing this forever, which is just ridiculous. (How would you like it if you had to work until you dropped and never got to retire?)


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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: April 24 2011 at 01:58
Originally posted by Harry Hood Harry Hood wrote:

Keep in mind that many of these artists, including Rush, are getting to be about retirement age. Most of them don't want to be recording/touring until the day they die.

And as you can see in the thread, a lot of people are willing to pay the prices because it "may be their last chance" to see them perform. So the artist gets to earn enough money to retire comfortably, and the fans get to see them one last time. Not a bad scenario, unless you really expect these guys to keep doing this forever, which is just ridiculous. (How would you like it if you had to work until you dropped and never got to retire?)


I'd also be more open to seeing them on this tour if "Stick It Out" and "Presto" were not included on the set-list.  The scenario you describe is indeed not a bad one at all, but if Rush does not keep up their end of the deal by playing an excellent live show, then I have a problem.  I shelled out over $75 to see them live when I was in high school, and it was not only the worst show I have ever been to in my life, but also the most expensive.  The crowd was horrible in that they were obnoxious to everyone else around them, the security was rude, and the sound quality was atrocious (especially for the first half, the second half was decent but not really anything I would call life-changing) .  The only two memorable aspects of that concert were Neil's drum solo, and the light show. 

Seriously, this is coming from a guy who has seen Flogging Molly live.  Rush tries hard, but their show really stunk it up badly.  I felt so sorry for Geddy, it seemed like he was trying hard to hit those high notes.  Alex sounded horrifyingly bad, most of the time.  I can't stand those awful Hughes and Kettner Amps he uses, they distort and mutilate everything good about his guitar tone.  It was not happening that night, I guess.  Again, Rush are my favorite band so this is a pretty big deal for me to admit that I was disappointed by my first and only Rush show.      


Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: April 24 2011 at 03:51
Setlist for the First Mariner Arena gig in Baltimore on April 22nd..
 
First set:
 
Spirit of Radio
Time Stand Still
Presto
Stick It Out
Workin' The Angels
Leave That Thing Alone
Faithless
BU2B
Freewill
Marathon
Subdivisions
 
Second set:
 
Tom Sawyer
Red Barchetta
YYZ
Limelight
The Canera Eye
Witch Hunt
Vital Signs
Caravan
Drum Solo
Closer To The Heart
2112 Part I:Overture
2112 Part II:The Temples of Syrinx
Far Cry
La Villa Stangiato (encore)
Working Man (encore)
 
 
Strong performance that went off without a hitch.My son enjoyed them tremendously and the $60 price tag per ticket was well worth it.


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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: April 24 2011 at 17:41
You know its worth it though. Saw them in Florida. 5 star show.


Posted By: Harry Hood
Date Posted: April 24 2011 at 23:12
Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

Setlist for the First Mariner Arena gig in Baltimore on April 22nd..
 
First set:
 
Spirit of Radio
Time Stand Still
Presto
Stick It Out
Workin' The Angels
Leave That Thing Alone
Faithless
BU2B
Freewill
Marathon
Subdivisions
 
Second set:
 
Tom Sawyer
Red Barchetta
YYZ
Limelight
The Canera Eye
Witch Hunt
Vital Signs
Caravan
Drum Solo
Closer To The Heart
2112 Part I:Overture
2112 Part II:The Temples of Syrinx
Far Cry
La Villa Stangiato (encore)
Working Man (encore)
 
 
Strong performance that went off without a hitch.My son enjoyed them tremendously and the $60 price tag per ticket was well worth it.

Yeah that's a pretty good setlist. There's a few songs I'd like to hear that always get omitted (Nobody's Hero and Different Strings come to mind), but as far as stuff I'm familiar with, there isn't a damn thing there that I don't like. I'm not enough of a Rush fan to consider paying that much for tickets, but if someone else was paying for it or if they were at a festival I was already attending I'd love to see them.

Sounds like they put on an awesome show. I'm glad you had a good time.


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Posted By: Program
Date Posted: May 09 2011 at 22:50
I saw them in Sarnia and Toronto at the Molson Amp...good show except that they took the videos too far, and didn't play enough true 'Time Machine' material (only 4 songs from pre-80's - 5 if you count the Temples as separate from 2112 Overture). I loved the MP set, but I mean the last song before the encore was Far Cry. Far Cry? Really? Come on guys, that documentary psyched me up, I was hoping to see some Xanadu action or something from Caress of Steel. Maybe even Anthem or By-Tor, or (God forbid) the Hemispheres Prelude or A Farewell to Kings. I noticed that this most recent leg they started playing the Cygnus X-1 riff at the end of Working Man - they couldn't have just taken out some of the 80's catalog they've played over the last few tours and played all of Cygnus X-1? Auuuugh those guys like to mess with our minds! And seriously, what was with the sausage machine? And the guys from I Love You Man in the last video? Give me a break. I heard 'Time Machine Tour' a few months before it started and imagined a revisiting of the old days with kimonos, doublenecks, Marshall stacks, analog drum effects like tubular bells and chimes and a gong, Rickenbackers, Gibson ES-355'/345's/335's/Howard Roberts Fusion, less cheesy videos, and an AWESOME setlist comprised of old favorites. It's not my fault I'm too young to have seen them in the glory days, they should give every fan of today's age an opportunity to hear the same songs live now that they played in the 70's, not just the 80's and 90's. You can only play Far Cry so many times...had I known the setlist in advance (I don't peep for concerts, I maintain surprise) and hadn't already bought tickets to both shows I would've only seen the Sarnia show and sold the Toronto tickets. I love those guys but they need to snap out of this weird phase they're in!

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