Pink Floyd Album Tournament: Semifinal Round 1
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Topic: Pink Floyd Album Tournament: Semifinal Round 1
Posted By: 40footwolf
Subject: Pink Floyd Album Tournament: Semifinal Round 1
Date Posted: November 12 2010 at 18:17
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Largely finalists I wouldn't have imagined we'd have ended up with, but whatevs! Three days for voting. ------------- Heaven's made a cesspool of us all. |
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: November 12 2010 at 18:21
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Wtf? What's Ummagumma doing here? Still it's a nice for a change, however my problem is not with Ummagumma itself if not with which album it's being put against.
No contest for me, and there won't be I'm afraid. Dark Side of the Moon.
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: November 12 2010 at 18:26
| Ummagumma is so much superior, and absolutely belongs here |
Posted By: steppenfloyd
Date Posted: November 12 2010 at 18:27
| How the hell did Ummagumma get 2 votes? |
Posted By: The Sleepwalker
Date Posted: November 12 2010 at 18:28
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Dark Side is a fantastic album, but I prefer Ummagumma by a small bit. ------------- 
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Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: November 12 2010 at 18:34
| Ummagumma, if it were only the studio disc I'd have voted for Dark Side, but the live disc pushes Ummagumma a little ahead for me. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: November 12 2010 at 18:34
Ummagumma just got another vote. Note: I'm actually voting on my taste as I find Ummagumma much better (I prefer it). |
Triceratopsoil wrote:Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: November 12 2010 at 19:29
| I do love the Live Ummagumma, and some songs from the studio disc too. But I must be rather predictable and vote Dark Side. |
Posted By: glenn_ecko
Date Posted: November 12 2010 at 21:03
| DSOTM is the best album ever made IMHO. |
Posted By: tdfloyd
Date Posted: November 12 2010 at 21:06
Exactly!
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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: November 13 2010 at 02:02
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Also the studio disc of Ummagumma is grown with time... ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: Atoms
Date Posted: November 13 2010 at 02:54
| I have to say Dark Side of the moon on this one, for a week ago it would've been ummagumma, but I've started to appreciate Dark Side alot more during this week. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: November 13 2010 at 03:48
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Have i Missed a poll? Wasnt the last one Wall v WYWH? What happened to the albums after that? (from that round) ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: November 13 2010 at 05:12
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DSOTM is about the biggest certainty of the year to win. Wait - that's not true. That's South Africa to beat Wales this afternoon  ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: November 13 2010 at 05:18
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The studio disc is still underrated here, I see. My vote goes to Ummagumma, my second favourite PF album (Dark Side of the Moon is on #4). ------------- 
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Posted By: RoeDent
Date Posted: November 13 2010 at 05:27
| No contest. Dark Side of the Moon. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: November 13 2010 at 05:31
Keep your spirit up that man!  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: November 13 2010 at 07:12
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Check my sig ------------- 
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Posted By: Bonnek
Date Posted: November 13 2010 at 07:17
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Both of them masterpieces, but I prefer Umma Gumma, and quite a bit actually. |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: November 13 2010 at 15:08
Oh bugger!!!! Great game though! ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: November 13 2010 at 15:29
I was gonna pick the one with the weird name.....but I picked Dark Side of the Moon...even tho I have never heard that album before but seems like the whole rock world likes it...
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Posted By: Jazzywoman
Date Posted: November 13 2010 at 15:43
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Dark Side of the Moon. Ummagumma is too inconsistent for me, at least. ------------- 
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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: November 13 2010 at 15:45
The weird name means f**king in Canterbury's slang...  ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: thehallway
Date Posted: November 13 2010 at 15:54
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Once again, how many Ummugumma voters are just showing off.... ------------- http://www.thefreshfilmblog.com/" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: November 13 2010 at 16:02
How many DSotM voters are just mindless pack followers? |
Posted By: thehallway
Date Posted: November 13 2010 at 16:15
You just exactly proved my point. Which is that some people have a dim view of liking anything that is popular.
I can't speak for everyone, but I prefer DSTOM because I enjoy listening to it more, that's all. The fact that it also happens to be loved by millions upon millions of people doesn't make a difference to me. And I very much doubt that anyone likes anything purely because they are 'following a pack' (what would be the advantage?). Whereas LOTS of people will say they like things that aren't as popular, sometimes genuinely, but often because they want to call other people mindless pack followers.
Of course, these people like Ummugumma more because they don't fool for mass-market aimed music. They're so individual and non-conformist. They have unique views that other mindless people will never understand and their tastes are really interesting! ------------- http://www.thefreshfilmblog.com/" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: November 13 2010 at 16:37
 Right. |
Posted By: 40footwolf
Date Posted: November 13 2010 at 18:44
Who made you the Supreme Archwizard of taste? Why is it so hard to fathom that some people might sincerely enjoy Ummagumma more? ------------- Heaven's made a cesspool of us all. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: November 13 2010 at 18:51
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I don't mind liking popular music, but my tastes are not that popular. If I turn on the radio and flick through the stations, chances are that I won't find any music that interests me. 25 years ago I loved Dark Side of the Moon, but now I find it mostly boring. Ummagumma, on the other hand, genuinely appeals much more to me. |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: November 13 2010 at 18:54
I feel like I should not like DSOTM after this post??
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: November 13 2010 at 19:47
And that's also exactly how I feel (although I still like Dark Side, and haven't been around for 25 years). Ummagumma is, far and away, my favourite Floyd album (okay, that part isn't the same as how Logan feels, but, you know) |
Posted By: The_Jester
Date Posted: November 13 2010 at 20:38
| Dark Side of the Moon is crap compared to the albums before him. |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: November 13 2010 at 21:24
| The thing that makes me like Ummagumma is mainly the live CD, but somehow that's not enough to make me choose it over Dark Side. However, if I were to choose between Dark Side and Live at Pompeii, there I would have a very difficult time. As a matter of fact, I wish Pompeii had been released as a CD too. It would seem to me that Pompeii was the last great testament of early Floyd, were they just got it all right and put it into one single recording. |
Posted By: thehallway
Date Posted: November 14 2010 at 12:22
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To 40footwolf:
It isn't hard to fathom. I can acknowledge that, but in some cases what I said applies. Waht can I say, it just does.
 And I wouldn't describe myself as a wizard for noticing.....To catcher10:
You've misread! Because my response was in defense of publicly liking Dark Side of the Moon. Really I was just advocating honesty. But what I don't need now is a bunch more posts saying "Oh I am honest"...... because I wasn't even targeting the post at anyone in particular. ------------- http://www.thefreshfilmblog.com/" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: November 14 2010 at 12:26
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: November 14 2010 at 13:01
It's my second favourite Pink Floyd album -- it follows the Ron Geesin collaboration Atom Heart Mother. I adore the "Atom Heart Mother" suite. Actually, as a young child, I preferred both Ummagumma and Atom Heart Mother to Dark Side of the Moon, as well as earlier albums (as with many people my age I had an older brother with Pink Floyd albums). I have fond memories of Dark Side... from my I remember when I introduced Dark Side... to my wife, and she said "What's all the fuss about?" Not that we listen to most of the same music, but at the time I somewhat reluctantly agreed with her. Back then, she did appreciate my Alan Parsons albums, though (which I mention since Parsons engineered Dark Side... and was directly responsible for various aspects of the album -- my favourite part of it with Clare Torry was his instigation).
Why is "what you need" important to the discussion? If 14 people came out and said that they are not just showing off, but genuinely prefer Ummagumma, would that allay your suspicions? Steppenfloyd wrote this before your post:
And I had told him before you posted that I voted for it because I preferred it -- an honest answer (and I assume the same of others, which is roughly one out of four voters). I'm not sure why you felt the need to advocate honesty. To each his or her own tastes. I've come across quite a few people who don't think at all highly of Dark Side of the Moon -- maybe some votes for Ummagumma are a vote against Dark Side. There isn't sufficient evidence to suspect dishonesty here for there to be any need to advocate for honesty that I can see. You did say "once again" so I guess you're basing your suspicions on past examples? |
Posted By: thehallway
Date Posted: November 14 2010 at 13:20
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Past experience yes.
And, for the 4th time, I was not suggesting that any of the people who before said that they prefered Ummugumma were the ones who fell to this observation, just some people and of course, the poster who alleged to "mindless pack followers"....
I think most people here can recognise my observation, but many are expanding it from the said some, to "anyone who voted Ummugumma on this poll".
But someone who is perhaps voting on strange grounds is unlikely to admit it anyway, so your search for 'evidence of dishonesty' will be futile.
Let us just accept that the point I made has an application to life, whether or not it is occuring in this poll.
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: November 14 2010 at 13:28
....... You're a horrible troll, I legitimately far prefer Ummagumma and I've stated that at least, probably, 20 times on PA No part of Dark Side, nor even the album as a whole, can come even remotely near as brilliant as this |
Posted By: thehallway
Date Posted: November 14 2010 at 13:35
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Is nobody listening to a word I'm saying?
And, what's a troll? ------------- http://www.thefreshfilmblog.com/" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: November 14 2010 at 13:39
I'm "listening" buddy!  ...and I don't think you are a troll. Treceratopsoil sometimes is though.
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Posted By: thehallway
Date Posted: November 14 2010 at 13:48
Thank you, probably the first person to back me up in one of these disputes!  If Mr Dinosaur-compost believes that I have some agenda against him, then I urge him to re-read.
One could prefer Ummagumma for a whole host of reasons, but calling Dark Side voters mindless pack followers isn't going to work much in one's favour.
And anyone else who wishes to clarify their legitimate and heartfelt dedication to all things Ummugumma, please don't bother saying so. You haven't been misunderstood!
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: November 14 2010 at 13:59
I'm not a troll |
Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: November 14 2010 at 14:22
| The obvious choice. DSOTM |
Posted By: MonsterMagnet
Date Posted: November 14 2010 at 14:33
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I find Ummagumma very nice (especially the studio record) |
Posted By: 40footwolf
Date Posted: November 14 2010 at 14:56
You can honestly be kind of a troll.
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Posted By: 40footwolf
Date Posted: November 14 2010 at 14:58
You haven't missed anything-it's just this one and then WYWH vs The Division Bell and then the final. ------------- Heaven's made a cesspool of us all. |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: November 14 2010 at 15:03
everything I post (outside of the general discussion and just for fun sections) is honestly how I feel |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: November 14 2010 at 15:06
When I find an example I'll show you. Sometimes it takes someone else to point it out. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: November 14 2010 at 15:08
I'm not convinced. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: thehallway
Date Posted: November 14 2010 at 15:15
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Having now found out what a troll is, I wouldn't say that (in this thread) anyone has been a troll...
Just some healthy arguing, you know. ------------- http://www.thefreshfilmblog.com/" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: November 14 2010 at 15:27
Didn't see your response until now. And you can move on if you like, but I think it's rather, to use your words, "Just some healthy arguing, you know". Remember that the "How many DSotM voters are just mindless pack followers?" comment was in direct response to you writing "Once again, how many Ummugumma voters are just showing off.... " The context of remarks is important. ............................................................................. On to other facets of this entertaining discussion: As for being trolls, I think many of us have made trollish comments now and then. I know I have, so I'm not about to accuse another of being a troll (that would be like the pot calling the kettle black). In my early internet days I was a serious troll without even knowing what an internet troll was. |
Posted By: cesarsc
Date Posted: November 14 2010 at 16:52
OK, you listen to DSoTM for about 25 years and now itīs boring
......may listen to Ummagumma for 25 years?  DSoTM for me.
thx ------------- Still a Newbie in THIS forum.... |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: November 14 2010 at 20:37
Well, who wouldn't get bored listening to the same thing over and over and over and over for twenty-five long years without respite. I'm glad that the turntable's needle finally broke. But seriously, no, I don't mean that I listened to it for 25 years, I mean that 25 years ago I loved the album, but don't anymore. I went off it a long time ago -- haven't wanted to play it in years. There is a lot of music I was once really into that doesn't do it for me anymore. Sometimes because I over-play music, and sometimes just because my tastes change direction (I've discovered a huge amount of music since then, of course, and gone through different musical phases). Back then I also loved Yes' Fragile and Rush's Hemispheres, but I don't have much desire to play those either. By the way, I think I've known Ummagumma for longer (if not as well back then since I pretty much memorized Dark Side so there was little reason to externally hear it). Ummagumma better fits my current tastes. |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: November 14 2010 at 22:06
| By the way, it's a pitty that the 40th anniversary of Ummagumma was completley overlooked by the band. On the Piper anniversary, they had some deluxe re-releases of that album with a bunch of extra material and alternative takes. It would have been brilliant to see something similar with Ummagumma... I know they at least had a recording of Interstellar Overdrive which was originally bound to be released on the live disc and somewhat was left out, and it would have been incredible if they had released a new edition of the album with that song included. |
Posted By: thehallway
Date Posted: November 15 2010 at 06:38
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I listened to Ummugumma exactly 40 years (to the day) after it was released. I was in a caravan. ------------- http://www.thefreshfilmblog.com/" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Bonnek
Date Posted: November 15 2010 at 10:53
That must have stirred quite a few of your neighbors! I wasn't born yet in 69 but I picked up Umma Gumma rather early as well, in the early 80s when I was 12 or something. (that's the older brother-syndrome for you) It was sure defining for my taste in music. I had it on all the time while playing my Legos, meaning I was probably melting the blocks in stinking fires or conducting chemistry experiments on them. |
Posted By: digdug
Date Posted: November 15 2010 at 11:03
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Love Ummagumma but
Dark Side is a pure masterpeice
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Posted By: thehallway
Date Posted: November 15 2010 at 12:23
Haha, several species of small lego animals.......
But no, whilst I was alive to celebrate the album's 40th, I was not even a mere idea during its actual release back in that golden year!
And the caravan... was in a desolate field that stirred nothing but a few cows. Perhaps the setting would have been more appropiate for Atom Heart Mother's anniversary! ------------- http://www.thefreshfilmblog.com/" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: uduwudu
Date Posted: November 16 2010 at 05:08
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If only the studio album of Ummgummma were a Pink Floyd album. It's a collection of demos by the members stucjk together. Some fabulous moments Meadows, Narrow way but needing PF to add their bits. Sort of like A syd Barrett album without Richard Wright gently telling everyone what to play without appearing to do so. The live album needed to be a 2 - 3 Lp set. Set The Controls is faded and Saucer has some live in the studio vocal fixing. Love the live album but it's a mish mash. a really good one though. My lind of mish mash. But Dark Side has care, attention. cohesion, and a whole lot more effort, experience, thought and collective creativity form one of the world's premier rock bands. It has more DG guitar work and better vocals. It is more consistent. It has much more melodic ideas from Wright. It has Time. It has Money. Matter of fact it's all green cheese really.  What? is Dark Side a step back in progression? Btw please don't let over familiarity by unimaginative Classic Rock radio out you off. This album used to be shunned in favour of... John Stewart. "There's people there turning music into gold." (Well not any longer, it's all merchandise but that also is progression. |