New feature: Quick Rating
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Topic: New feature: Quick Rating
Posted By: M@X
Subject: New feature: Quick Rating
Date Posted: November 09 2010 at 15:01
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Hello fellow proggers ! Today we decided to implement a feature to the site that I was very looking forward to. That feature is the Quick Rating (aka QR) of albums from mostly everywhere on the site. When logged in, members can easily star rate any albums where we added the QR widget. Just mouse over, and click the grey/red stars to add or update your rating. This widget allows you to know how you rated the album, and can update your rating anytime. Nice ! There is 2 concerns that I will discuss now. 1. Since we will add more and more ratings only to the site, reviewers take note that I have also increase the weight of review rating from 5 to 10x for members, 10 to 20x for admins and collaborators. Understand that we still value more detailled reviews over rating only. But I encourage members to quick rate to increase the overall value of the site top lists and average ratings to help discover the best prog out there from reviews or by checking average ratings or top lists. The algorithm that order top albums lists also take into consideration the other albums number of ratings, so it's a win-win option here. Warning: this will change the top albums list for sure, I think J-Tull TaaB is back #1 ! 2. About converting a rating only to a review, this feature will be implemented in the next days/weeks and be available in your member reviews profile page. We want to allow conversion of quick ratings to review to be published on the homepage as regular new review. We will update this thread once available. Please surf around to find the widget and start rating more - this will improve in the long run, the value of average ratings of albums , top albums list too. We will add this widget in other pages in the next days. Stay tuned. Please report any issues and comments here for now. Prog On M@X ------------- Prog On ! |
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Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: November 09 2010 at 15:02
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UPDATE: we have slow loading page, slow server response, we are working on it, please report , thanks
------------- Prog On ! |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: November 09 2010 at 15:06
I've tested it and it seems to be working perfectly  EDIT: seems like I spoke to fast, when I click on "see all reviews/rating" for an album I get a "script timed out" error. |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: November 09 2010 at 15:11
M@X, I think the review weight for members was already 5x...do you mean it went from 5 to 10x? Or was I mistaken? ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
M@X wrote:Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: November 09 2010 at 15:15
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I have been having loading errors though most of October and November and just before the change was implemented I could not get in the site. So that you know. This will be an interesting change indeed, but let me put this sugestion here: Why don't you put two different ratings? One being the collab/admin/reviewer/member rating and the other being the quickrating you just implemented. -------------   
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Posted By: Rivertree
Date Posted: November 09 2010 at 15:16
 I gave this a shot ... it works ... one click only ... hmm, one most be very careful now ... a bit dangerous when you are not experienced with your mouse 
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: November 09 2010 at 15:22
Yeah, I thought it was 1/5/10 as well. I personally don't see the quick rating having a significant impact on the number of ratings given, but I don't mind downgrading the weight of a rating only because they are pretty worthless to the random browser.
It's the same rating, I don't see how the method makes any difference at all. That would also defeat the purpose completely, because it would force members to go to the individual album page to give a rating that actually matters and they wouldn't bother to give any more ratings if they have to to the same amount of trouble that they do now. ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: November 09 2010 at 15:48
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Indeed, for member's review-rating, the weight is 10x (from 5). ------------- Prog On ! |
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: November 09 2010 at 15:57
Ah, that's ok then. It's interesting how the top lists have been reshuffled, but they're probably a more accurate representation now: I've typically never heard of any of the people who have given ratings only. ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: November 09 2010 at 16:05
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Is this why the site was down earlier? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Anthony H.
Date Posted: November 09 2010 at 16:06
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Ah. I was wondering why the Top 250 list was so different.
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Posted By: Rivertree
Date Posted: November 09 2010 at 16:21
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Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: November 09 2010 at 16:26
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It's certainly interesting. I won't be using rating so much (mostly) because of one certain reason. When I rate something and then for example one month later I want to write review for it, I cannot do so on album's page, but the only way how to write the review then is in my reviewer page - http://www.progarchives.com/ReviewerPage.asp EDIT: So far, so if it will be implemented in a nice way, it will be a great thing Max Changing weight of ratings is a logical step (I think I also suggested this in past :-) ) and haven't messed up charts so much. We'll see guys. ------------- There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless," -Andyman1125 on Lulu  Even my |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: November 09 2010 at 16:33
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I've just quick rated a load of albums and I feel a bit dirty now. First time I ever rated without reviewing. Is there any way I can unrate them? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: November 09 2010 at 16:35
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^ I would like to rate a little bit, but I'm not sure if (after some things will be implemented) I'll get my rating => review to the main page. For past ratings-only I mean. ------------- There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless," -Andyman1125 on Lulu Even my |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: November 09 2010 at 16:36
You rating whore  |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: November 09 2010 at 16:42
I agree.  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: November 09 2010 at 16:45
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... unfortunately I've clicked upon the red stars... didn't even know what they were... I rated with 3 stars an album I never listened to...
... now how can I delete the rating??????
quick rating system is cool but dangerous...!!
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: November 09 2010 at 16:46
You can change it by clicking it anywhere again. M@X did say so above. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: November 09 2010 at 16:49
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^ But you can't delete it. Only ADMINs can, if you ask them ------------- Prog On ! |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: November 09 2010 at 16:50
Oh. I can't do that as I have created far to much needles work for them. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: November 09 2010 at 16:51
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Needles? Needless!  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Conor Fynes
Date Posted: November 09 2010 at 17:40
| So... when are half-stars going to be implemented? :-) |
Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: November 09 2010 at 17:42
When we have a good solution that will deal intelligently with all the existing 300,000 ratings without half-stars (to be fair with reviewers of the past)  ------------- Prog On ! |
Posted By: clarke2001
Date Posted: November 09 2010 at 18:53
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This is cool. I did my first rating without review ever. However, I wrote a review shortly after. All works fine! It's also a nice visual reminder on which albums I reviewed and which not while looking at an artist's discography! ------------- |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: November 09 2010 at 18:57
Yes, this is a big plus for me also. ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: November 09 2010 at 19:06
Agreed. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Salty_Jon" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Seyo
Date Posted: November 10 2010 at 07:17
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Hm, I guess this is supposed to show me what was my previous rating for an album I review/rated earlier. But, now I don't see it. I see only grey stars below the albums which I know for sure I previously rated. Is this facility operational and checked for bugs? I am logged into the forum, no problem. Otherwise I think it is cool new addition which allows us to quickly update the rating for an album we rated in the past but would now like to change it. |
Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: November 10 2010 at 07:23
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^ you are probably logged out Seyo. This feature will push the need of the more "visible" login, logout button.  ------------- Prog On ! |
Posted By: Seyo
Date Posted: November 10 2010 at 07:27
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Ah, sorry. It seems I was logged out when I opened the artist page with albums so I did not see my ratings. Now I logged again and it works! But I am sure I was logged before I entered the forum and posted my first question above. So, maybe you are right to install some more visible and handy login/logout button... Thanks Max! |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: November 10 2010 at 07:33
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^There sre two logins....one for the forum and another for the database. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: November 10 2010 at 07:43
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YES, but same password ! ------------- Prog On ! |
Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: November 10 2010 at 10:45
We need less ratings ------------- I'm always almost unlucky _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Id5ZcnjXSZaSMFMC Id5LM2q2jfqz3YxT |
Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: November 10 2010 at 10:46
needless reviews too
I am actually not very happy yet with this feature, I always was hoping for such a possibility, but when logged in it takes ages to load the page for the bands, so it's not really fast for me. ------------- I'm always almost unlucky _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Id5ZcnjXSZaSMFMC Id5LM2q2jfqz3YxT |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: November 10 2010 at 11:32
yes, I just had a go, and I really like this feature. ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: Lark the Starless
Date Posted: November 10 2010 at 13:44
You could actually buy and listen to the album  ------------- 
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Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: November 10 2010 at 13:45
^  ------------- Prog On ! |
Posted By: Lark the Starless
Date Posted: November 10 2010 at 13:52
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^ Hey mailto:M@X - M@X , just a quick question... WIll you or other collaborators change the weight of the different members when reviewing albums on the front page? -------------
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Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: November 10 2010 at 13:58
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^ I don't understand ! The weight is now up to date for all previous ratings and new ones ? ------------- Prog On ! |
Posted By: Lark the Starless
Date Posted: November 10 2010 at 14:01
^ Sorry 
Is the the weight now up to date by the way? (since you asked)
Let me make myself clear....on the top 100 albums page, the weight still says 1, 5, and 10...I imagine it'll be changed to 1, 10, 20 correct?
 One more quick thing (sorry), but the weight of the QR is 1 right? -------------
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Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: November 10 2010 at 14:03
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OHHHHHHHH, I will fix the text. Thanks. ------------- Prog On ! |
Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: November 10 2010 at 14:04
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Done. ------------- Prog On ! |
Posted By: Lark the Starless
Date Posted: November 10 2010 at 14:10
^ Great, well done sir 
And I figure the past reviews and ratings have been updated according to the new system, yes?
(I promise this will be the last question and I'll shut up )-------------
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Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: November 10 2010 at 14:14
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^ Yes, all 300,000 ratings were updated yesterday during the down time to the new weighting system. ------------- Prog On ! |
Posted By: Lark the Starless
Date Posted: November 10 2010 at 14:20
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Keep up the good work man. I really love this site as it is indeed a fabulous source for all things prog Cheers! -------------
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Impressive!Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: November 10 2010 at 14:20
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Thank , glad you enjoy it. ------------- Prog On ! |
Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: November 10 2010 at 14:21
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Thank , glad you enjoy it. ------------- Prog On ! |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: November 10 2010 at 14:22
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Nice to see that M@X gets the same problem with double posts that we do. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Lark the Starless
Date Posted: November 10 2010 at 14:23
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Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: November 10 2010 at 14:26
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------------- Prog On ! |
Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: November 10 2010 at 14:38
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I was confused about what was going on until i read this so thanks. If a review comes up on the front page that i've reviewed my rating is shown plus the average and of course the reviewers rating.So three ratings show up.Interesting. ------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: November 10 2010 at 14:42
Now when will we get album genre tagging? 
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: November 10 2010 at 14:43
...and thus will begin a whole new era of arguments. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: November 10 2010 at 14:43
Right after half starts |
Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: November 10 2010 at 14:45
Well let's half begin, then. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Salty_Jon" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Angelo
Date Posted: November 10 2010 at 16:28
Indeed. Who needs needles? ------------- http://www.iskcrocks.com" rel="nofollow - ISKC Rock Radio I stopped blogging and reviewing - so won't be handling requests. Promo's for ariplay can be sent to [email protected] |
Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: November 10 2010 at 18:01
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Max mentioned possibility of move to half-stars system and also his concerns about problems about it, side effects and other consequences. But isn't it similar as when back in the old days, 0 stars were all changed to 1 stars ? Correct me if I'm wrong. I would see it as that all current stars would remain the same, 1 star would be 1 star in new system, 4 would be 4 in new system, only new ratings will have half-stars. It's the only possible way I can think about. ------------- There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless," -Andyman1125 on Lulu Even my |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: November 10 2010 at 18:06
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I'm with you because some people would have to go back and change their ratings and some people ignore the rules of rounding numbers. No offense intended to people who ignore the rules of rounding numbers, but it is irritating.
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: November 10 2010 at 18:11
+1 |
Posted By: clarke2001
Date Posted: November 10 2010 at 18:18
+1,5 ------------- |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: November 10 2010 at 18:19
Brilliant!Although i am against half stars, now seems to be the perfect time to implement it. Adjusting ones ratings is now so simple that it isn't a problem.
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Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: November 10 2010 at 18:46
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^ Can I humble add my +0.89 ? It's a good number (it was a good year) which can make some kind of paradox interference, as Brian's reaction was on my post. Sheesh :-) The problem was with change of 0 => 1, because some people rated the worst albums with 0 stars and better (not that much better, more like slightly) albums with 1 stars, but then suddenly they both had the same rating. 1=>1 So basically we'll get 9 point system instead of current 5 point system. 5 old full stars and 4 half stars. ------------- There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless," -Andyman1125 on Lulu Even my |
Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: November 11 2010 at 14:23
I allways thought everyone was against ratings only 
But as it was clearly a misunderstanding, ill now go do a lot of ratings. Nice.------------- Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours |
Posted By: Angelo
Date Posted: November 11 2010 at 14:32
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Add some reviews while you're at it ;-)
------------- http://www.iskcrocks.com" rel="nofollow - ISKC Rock Radio I stopped blogging and reviewing - so won't be handling requests. Promo's for ariplay can be sent to [email protected] |
Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: November 11 2010 at 15:10
Would love to, but reviewing for me personally takes quite some time and energy, just not something that comes natural, maby due to the fact that im not a great writer, and the language thing too, restricts me to only review in periods where i have some extra time.
 ------------- Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours |
Posted By: Angelo
Date Posted: November 11 2010 at 16:53
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Same here, I was only teasing . Although this weekend I will publish at least one review, because I promised the band to do so. ------------- http://www.iskcrocks.com" rel="nofollow - ISKC Rock Radio I stopped blogging and reviewing - so won't be handling requests. Promo's for ariplay can be sent to [email protected] |
Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: November 11 2010 at 18:49
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The bad thing about reviewing is that it cannot be forced. And believe, I've tried :-) It's as with drawing/painting, as with writing short stories / novel, it's creativity.
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Posted By: Uncle Spooky
Date Posted: November 16 2010 at 02:29
There ABSOLUTELY NO POINT in casual users using this. As I pointed out in detail some time ago unweighted votes have no impact because they are overwhelmed by the weighted votes. And as you've just increased the weighting it's even worse...  ------------- http://last.fm/user/Mark_H" rel="nofollow - http://last.fm/user/Mark_H |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: November 16 2010 at 02:32
| Try to get more weight to your ratings instead of complaining. |
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: November 17 2010 at 01:28
This is a terrible argument, but it always seems to come up when people talking about this, and strangely it's always from the people who already have the weighting... I don't care much either way, but he's right that there's almost no point in actually giving a rating only, which really makes adding a quick rate feature equally useless, even if it's probably better for the site to minimize the impact of ratings only. And of course being able to quickly see which albums of a band you have already rated is nice too. I'm just saying.
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: November 17 2010 at 03:59
Alex meant "write a review", that increases the weighting for non-collabs to "10"
In light of this, collab weighting is only "2" since their "rating+reviews" equates to "20" and I think that 2:1 ratio is fairer than it has been for a long time.
However, personally I think the ratios of 10:1 and 20:1 are too high as the ratios of ratings to reviews is probably closer to 3:1 for most albums, but we are a review site, not a rating site. ------------- What? |
Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: November 17 2010 at 04:45
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Good work. Now let's have a "Quick Ranting" feature. |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: November 17 2010 at 08:41
Of course there is a point to rating, which is why I also rate. I wouldn't rate if there wasn't any point to it. And like Dean says, my rating has the same weight as any other newbie's. |
Posted By: TheGazzardian
Date Posted: November 17 2010 at 20:27
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Great feature - really makes the site feel more alive and interactive as well.
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Posted By: Evolver
Date Posted: November 18 2010 at 14:21
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I would like the feature mor eif it didn't significantly slow down the loading time of artist pages. Try opening the page of someone who has fifty or more albums. It takes forever (almost). ------------- Trust me. I know what I'm doing. |
Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: November 18 2010 at 14:25
Been on Zappa or Tangerine Dream's page? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Salty_Jon" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: November 18 2010 at 14:33
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^^ Evolver, I will check this out. I understand that the page is longer to load when you are logged in ? ------------- Prog On ! |
Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: November 18 2010 at 15:19
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What I was supposing since a long time ago, the PA forum is using all the resources of the site (discography) and the performances of site is deterring. I will be busy in the next day finding a solution, thanks for reporting ------------- Prog On ! |
Posted By: Evolver
Date Posted: November 18 2010 at 15:56
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Thanks, Max. ------------- Trust me. I know what I'm doing. |
Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: November 24 2010 at 16:18
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The QUICK RATING is now available in the TOP PROG ALBUM list. ------------- Prog On ! |
Posted By: Relayer Duos
Date Posted: December 06 2010 at 14:11
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I think a good feature would be to create a confirmation dialog box whenever you click one of the quick rating stars. That way you don't accidentally rate something you've never listened to, etc. ------------- Is it true that they who speak loud, strong and right also plant dead flowers? |
Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 05:52
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Good suggestion , noted ! ------------- Prog On ! |
Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: December 13 2010 at 10:13
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Well people, I've just rated album with intention to write review in future (50 minutes later), just to try this out. Even such rating is very interesting and useful feature, there are big problems with it: 1)If you rate first and after day or two write a review, it won't appear on main page. 2)You have to go "http://www.progarchives.com/ReviewerPage.asp" in order to write this review. It would be much better if you somehow implemented feature that you would be able to write to: You know what I mean by c) ... you can't rate album first and then review it. You have to open your review admin panel. It would be much better (meaning - user friendly) to be able to. ------------- There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless," -Andyman1125 on Lulu Even my |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: December 13 2010 at 10:15
Are you sure about this? M@x said he will make it possible for the review to appear on the homepage even if it was posted after the rating, and someone reported that it works. |
Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: December 13 2010 at 14:28
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^ Well, I wanted to watch this process closely, but I somehow overlooked the time. But review is from But this isn't the main problem for me, what would really get me into "quick reviewing", is to be able to easily rate and then review. Not through a difficult way of clicking to my review panel and editing existing rating. ------------- There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless," -Andyman1125 on Lulu Even my |
Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: December 13 2010 at 14:28
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Oh, to answer you (I forgot), I'm pretty sure, but not 100%.
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Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: December 31 2010 at 05:01
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I dont bother just rating now as it takes ages to have to find your review and then edit it. Reviews are the only things worth posting IMHO. I dont take a scrap of notice of the ratings. ------------- 
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Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: January 12 2011 at 12:46
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it's not been done yet. I got caught in 1000 things. Will work in this soon, thanks ------------- Prog On ! |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: January 13 2011 at 13:29
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I love this quick rating feature not because of its main purpose, but because it lets me see what I've already reviewed and what I haven't- all at a glance.
------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |