Pink Floyd Album Tournament, Round 10
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Topic: Pink Floyd Album Tournament, Round 10
Posted By: 40footwolf
Subject: Pink Floyd Album Tournament, Round 10
Date Posted: November 09 2010 at 02:23
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I'll be really curious to see this one's results, even though I think I can guess. 3 days! ------------- Heaven's made a cesspool of us all. |
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Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: November 09 2010 at 02:26
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Against The Wall! ------------- A Elbereth Gilthoniel silivren penna míriel o menel aglar elenath! Na-chaered palan-díriel o galadhremmin ennorath, Fanuilos, le linnathon nef aear, sí nef aearon! |
Posted By: Shevrzl
Date Posted: November 09 2010 at 02:47
| I'm loving The Wall more and more each time I hear it. Listening to it when you're in the right mood is really quite an experience. |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: November 09 2010 at 02:49
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It does not occur often that two PF-albums, of which one stands far above the other, are matched, but this is one of those few possibilities: Wish You Were Here by a nautical league. ------------- 
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Posted By: Tursake
Date Posted: November 09 2010 at 02:53
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Wish You Were Here is way overrated so The Wall for me
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Posted By: Pekka
Date Posted: November 09 2010 at 03:03
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WYWH *****
The Wall **½
The live version of the Wall is way more enjoyable to me, but still not enough by a longshot. ------------- http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=42652" rel="nofollow - It's on PA! 
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Posted By: TheOppenheimer
Date Posted: November 09 2010 at 03:14
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its hard, but The Wall for me... ------------- //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// A veces es cuestión de esperar, y tomarte en silencio. |
Posted By: akaBona
Date Posted: November 09 2010 at 04:07
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This one was an easy one. Other a masterpiece, other just an average effort. So, my vote goes to Wish You Were Here! |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: November 09 2010 at 04:45
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I think lot of people will say that Roger Waters sucks. This is one of the reasons why I'm voting for the Wall. The second is called Comfortably Numb. ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: November 09 2010 at 05:05
^Strange reasons! ------------- A Elbereth Gilthoniel silivren penna míriel o menel aglar elenath! Na-chaered palan-díriel o galadhremmin ennorath, Fanuilos, le linnathon nef aear, sí nef aearon! |
Posted By: EnderEd
Date Posted: November 09 2010 at 05:19
As per the stage marquee at The Pulse concert, Roger Who? Except for Comfortably Numb and a few scattered Gilmour leads, The Wall sucks too. ------------- --EnderEd |
octopus-4 wrote:Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: November 09 2010 at 06:25
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When a song has lyrics they should be considered as part of the whole thing. The Wall can't be appreciated without going in depth with the lyrics and the concept. It's just different from Atom Heart Mother. ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: Bonnek
Date Posted: November 09 2010 at 06:31
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Actually, both are far removed from my favorite PF albums. I might have a slight preference for the Wall though. Even if that one doesn't have the magic of the Shine On overture. |
Posted By: yanch
Date Posted: November 09 2010 at 06:41
| WYWH for sure. Whole album is strong. The Wall, though very good, has some duds in my opinion. |
Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: November 09 2010 at 06:48
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The wall is brilliant - marginally better than WYWH ------------- 
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Posted By: digdug
Date Posted: November 09 2010 at 14:31
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both are 5 stars but
Wish You Were Heeeere
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Posted By: Atoms
Date Posted: November 09 2010 at 14:35
| This is the first one that has been hard for me, I've always liked The Wall more, but I put on Wish You Were Here yesterday, and, it was almost as if I discovered my favorite band for the first time AGAIN! So my vote goes for WYWH today, might be the wall tomorrow, but not today. |
Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Date Posted: November 09 2010 at 14:51
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WYWH = 5 stars The Wall = 2.5 stars
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Posted By: Jazzywoman
Date Posted: November 09 2010 at 15:26
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Wish You Were Here, of course. ------------- 
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: November 09 2010 at 18:36
Something like that.
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Posted By: jym272
Date Posted: November 09 2010 at 19:02
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: November 09 2010 at 22:52
| Wish you Were Here, easily for me. It's got more music. The Wall is good too, anyway. |
Posted By: The-time-is-now
Date Posted: November 10 2010 at 02:36
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The Wall ! Can't believe it's losing !
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Posted By: Roj
Date Posted: November 10 2010 at 03:04
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Much as I love The Wall with it's fabulous atmospherics, Wish You Were Here is just a classic and pretty much unbeatable.
WYWH - 5 stars
The Wall - 4 stars
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Posted By: Varon
Date Posted: November 10 2010 at 03:22
------------- Would you catch the final words of mine? Would you catch my words??? |
Posted By: MFP
Date Posted: November 10 2010 at 16:02
| WYWH |
Posted By: Lozlan
Date Posted: November 10 2010 at 17:09
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Tear down The Wall. . .. ... .... ..... ...... ....... (BOOM!) ------------- Certified Obscure Prog Fart. http://scottjcouturier.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow - The Loose Palace of Exile - My first novel, The Mask of Tamrel, now available on Amazon and Kindle |
Posted By: Zargus
Date Posted: November 10 2010 at 17:38
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The Wall ------------- 
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Posted By: Mushroom Sword
Date Posted: November 10 2010 at 17:59
| Wish You Were Here. Love it. Also, I'm on a Wall diet. I have tickets to see Roger Waters on the 27th, and I'm not listening to anything from the Wall, nor am I playing any riffs/ solo's from it either. Im shaking, but I think I'll make it. |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: November 10 2010 at 22:41
In Progarchives Wish you were here was bound to win. Perhaps even against Dark Side, we'll see. |
Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: November 14 2010 at 12:39
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Found it! THe Wall Far better than WYWH ------------- Help me I'm falling! |
Posted By: The_Jester
Date Posted: November 14 2010 at 13:50
| Wish You Were Here is a bit less comercial than the Wall so my choice is clear. |
Posted By: cesarsc
Date Posted: November 14 2010 at 16:55
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Ok, time is over, but: Wish You Were Here , for me.
thx ------------- Still a Newbie in THIS forum.... |
Posted By: uduwudu
Date Posted: November 16 2010 at 06:09
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Ok, so what's worse lyrically. RW bleating about S.o.Y.c.D. Barrett (who turnnd up at the mixing of his requiem...) Or The Wall where the missus, the teacher, his Dad, the judge who fined him five pounds for stealing a policeman's helmet on boat race night and some groupies... I do find WYWH works lyrically If I don't consider Waters' lyrical intent (anti record company, Syd sadness) as it works brilliantly in an all encompassing way - he managed to engage a broad apectrum of listeners in relating their interpretations / experiences. Muscially WTWH is sublime. The Wall. Now if you scan the lyrics the whole thing works as an 80 minute single piece that manages cohesion and considerable variety. It uses non rock (Vera, Bring The Boys Back Home) which is very courageous in a poular music environment. It has obscure irony (In The Flesh?) and less obscure irony (In The Flesh) which some took as gospel. It has a lot of variety, it's conceptual, has lots of high points. It is also another record / music bix moan. How tough life is as a rock star with groupies drugs and toilets. My heart bleeds Rog. (Sorry folks I really cannot stand that predominantly 70s trend (BOC, Kiss, Floyd and whoever else writing about "the road" and doing what they do as if that's a bad thing. Work in an office or McDoanld's and then find something to whine about...) Comfortably Numb is the Floyd's signature tune. Considering it's drug and power obsessed nature I can't help but think of DG at Live 8 ironically arm waving along with the crowd singing along as though it's a nostalgically schmaltzy ballad. Apparently DG dislikes showbiz, according tro interview comments in 1974 anyway. WYWH was really the last musically collaborative effort from PF. Absence of being is the theme for one, while alienation despite the presence and because of the absence of family and friends in the other. It's going to come down to Shine On Versus Comfortably Numb. Thankfully voting here is confidential. (Unlike in poiltics when yo vote your name is matched against a number on an attendance register so your govt can find out later for whom you voted.) Whoops. Cat out of the bag. Tell Rog. It's gotta be a better topic than Pros And Cons... |
Posted By: Norman Kiddie
Date Posted: November 16 2010 at 09:47
 This one was particularly hard to choose from. Which is it, the single album with great songs or the double album with wonderful moments? Gilmour or Waters? I love them both.
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Posted By: genbanks
Date Posted: November 16 2010 at 20:39
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The Wall is not prog rock. Only the conceptual thing fits in this format. That not means that is not good. But there are too many fillers there. Some stuff is excellent as Confortably numb or In the Flesh.
Wish you were here is a masterpiece of progressive rock. Shine on you crazy diamond alone is enough to win the poll.
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Posted By: uduwudu
Date Posted: November 17 2010 at 00:36
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How is The Wall not a prog rock album? What is an example of filler material? I mean we are getting to how to narrowly define a prog rock album? Tales From Topographic Oceans is usually criticised for having inessential music on it. None that I can find but I love all this stuff and wonder where the problems are anyway. If the Wall is not a prog rock album does that mean - it's closest relative - Lamb Lies Down On Broadway is also not a prog rock album? |
Posted By: EatThatPhonebook
Date Posted: November 17 2010 at 01:25
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WYWH, no doubt in that. ------------- 
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Posted By: Languagegeek
Date Posted: November 17 2010 at 08:56
| No question. Musically Wish you were here has some filler in between the decent Shine On You Crazy Diamond (a great song by any other band, a "pretty good" song compared to what was coming up on Animals). But the Wall is a lot of filler and outright annoying stuff with a couple of admittedly good licks dispersed. Lyrically, WYWH isn't much, but it's heartwarming and mature, to me the Wall made sense to me when I was an angry teenager, then I grew up. |
Posted By: Languagegeek
Date Posted: November 17 2010 at 09:01
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Filler? 10. One of my turns (1:33) 2. Is there anybody out there! (2:40) 8. In the flesh (4:16) (again) Without doing the math, that looks like 25-30 minutes. |
Posted By: thehallway
Date Posted: November 17 2010 at 10:03
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Wow, what a lot of hatred for a rock opera by what is probably the best-loved prog band in the world ever!
I prefer WYWH as well, but I thought these results would be a little more even.
I guess The Wall just isn't proggy enough for this demographic? ------------- http://www.thefreshfilmblog.com/" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: November 17 2010 at 10:11
I voted for The Wall...."When you're on of the few....:" ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: Publius84
Date Posted: November 17 2010 at 10:39
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I'd vote for The Wall. It's the album that my Pink Floyd and Prog journey started with. ------------- I know what I like and I like what I know... Prog is in my heart, in my mind, in my soul... |
Posted By: thehallway
Date Posted: November 17 2010 at 11:04
 That's the Final Cut.....------------- http://www.thefreshfilmblog.com/" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: November 17 2010 at 12:12
That's Roger Waters after all....(We're only ordinary men) ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: uduwudu
Date Posted: November 17 2010 at 15:00
Remove these bits and the thing makes less sense. Rog thought Bring The boys Back Home was the album's centrepiece. Outside the wall... there has to be some sort of denouement. The Trial is where all the baddy characters get togther and confront the central character. Pretty important bit in the story line I would have thought. This si the album's real climax. Gives Rog a chance to do all his charcter voices as well. Nobody's Home is the central character acknolweding where he comes from, nad hardly recognises. Nice guitar progression as well. In The Flesh is the central character becoming this fascist leader. As it was taken seriously by so many (despite it being intended to be satire) it just goes to show how unaware or directly nasty so many people are. (Don't mean you, dear reader. I mean them... not us!) It's not a repeat really. It seems it from some music (the reprsie idea) but the surrogate band has become Pink and followers and they're all fascists now. One of My Turns is a great climactic disintegration of personality. Inspired by - of all people - Roy Harper. Waiting For The Worms, all creepy nastiness. More facist diatribes and build up. Don't leave Me now? Forlorn and rejected the character now has nowhere to go but to become this fascist. Is the Anybody Out There?... this is the precursor to Comfortably Numb. Many tracks are in support of each other and taking some out of context might leave holes in the wall. Each has it's value and not every track is really intended to be a set piece but establishing continuity - make the album flow. Vera and Bring The boys relate back to central character and Rog' Dad's past. Vera Lynn the WW2 soldier's sweetheart and Bring The Boys is anti-war. I think they get a short shrift because they have nothing to do with rock origins musically. Possibly the expectation to have a signature tune like Comfortably Numb at the end of the album crerates the impression the rest after it is lesser material. But it's just another brick... the drug one. Apparently that happned to Rog once. Doc filled him with something so he could go on with the show... One of the great things about Floyd is that they made all these varied albums but very little sounds like another. Even The Wall's closest relative, The Final Cut, has a different sound and feel (chilly and austere) even if some music hearkens back to The Wall. Title track string harmnoies from Comfortably Numb for example. |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: November 17 2010 at 22:37
Lyrically, none of the songs is filler. Musically, some people may find some songs notably weaker. From the list here, I particularly disagee with "In The Flesh", that one has even become an iconic Roger Waters song, and he seems to love playing it live. I particularly also like a lot "One of my Turns", "Is there anybody Out There?", and "Waiting for the Worms / Stop". |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: November 17 2010 at 23:25
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There's no sense in making a 0:34 seconds "filler" because it doesn't fill anything. The only Pink Floyd's filler I can think about is "Alan Psychedelic Breakfast" ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: uduwudu
Date Posted: November 18 2010 at 01:51
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Stop is a linking piece only. I would be amused to death to hear a rehearsal and performance of a 34 second track. But I don't find anyhitng musically weak. The Trial is quite a large composition and has to do an awful lo. One Of My Turns is sheer build and dramtcic impact. Just examples, don't want to rain on other opinions. I just hope we all get value out of it. Floyd went to a lot of effort with this and while not every track is going to be Comfy Numb alot of subtleties could be lost with underating less obvious moments. I kind of like the way everything flows as one complete flowing narrative (difficult reading the lyrics on my Japanese remaster cover but if you can it does. I suppose we hacve tpo be progressive with our listening. Amusing notes dept. I once read a label on a copy of The Wall. It said 30th aniversary edition. That was in 1999. Another record company snooze moment!  (For those unaware this album came out in 1979.)And yeah Alan's Psych Brekkie is one the PF decided was a bad idea. There's a boot of a performance of this from late 1970. I wonder what happened to the food cooked on stage. On stage bacon and sausage sizzling to stoners with munchies.  |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: November 18 2010 at 03:12
That's why Waters turned to wine on the stage of "In the Flesh".  ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: November 18 2010 at 23:01
I think about Stop rather as part of the song "Waiting for the Worms" than as a filler. |
Posted By: LateralMe
Date Posted: November 19 2010 at 15:06
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My vote went to WYWH
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