The Final Cut Poll
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Topic: The Final Cut Poll
Posted By: octopus-4
Subject: The Final Cut Poll
Date Posted: November 04 2010 at 03:56
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Following the debate started by my previous poll "worst of the worst", I think this album requires a whole thread. Anthony said: 1. It lacks melody 2 Roger Waters can't sing 3 It's not a Pink Floyd-album 4 Does he HAVE to tell us how bad the world is over and over again? Has he got so little inspiration that he can't write about anything else? 5 Where's David Gilmour? He IS the better singer! 6 It's an uninspired thing to pick songs which were thrown into the bin during the recording of "The Wall" because they weren't good enough. 7 Where's Rick Wright? He too is a better singer. 8 Where's Nick Mason.... oh, forget this one, he's not a singer and is not a good drummer anyway. 9 It may be progressive, but where's the ROCK?? Only "Not now John" is there to kick you out of the coma this album gives to you, but by then the album is (thank God) almost over. This is a good list of things to comment. If you agree with most of the points above please vote for "The Final Crap", otherwise choose "The Final Cut". I'm for the second. ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
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Posted By: Billy Pilgrim
Date Posted: November 04 2010 at 03:59
| Good album, if only for "The Gunners Dream" "your possible pasts and the title track. |
Posted By: The Sleepwalker
Date Posted: November 04 2010 at 04:01
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Half of Anthony's posts on PA are about how much Roger Waters sucks, so I can't really take him seriously anymore. Also, The Final Cut is one of my favourite albums of all time. ------------- 
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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: November 04 2010 at 04:07
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If one is so strongly convinced that Roger Waters sucks he must have loved Pink Floyd until at least Animals, so including Roger Waters. I think most of those say that Roger Waters sucks feel like "betrayed lovers", that can be a good reason to hate somebody. However I have pasted his points because I'd like to move the discussion to the album itself and its contents (is it lacking melody? I think it's too melodic instead). Let's all forget our personal feelings about Roger Waters and discuss of music and lyrics. ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: Billy Pilgrim
Date Posted: November 04 2010 at 04:15
| Well when it comes to music, its low points are downright boring and uninspired. Not much happens with the music, sometimes nothing is going on. At times it can be amazing though. |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: November 04 2010 at 04:18
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The Final Cut is actually a Roger Waters solo album released as a Pink Floyd album. Nevertheless it is as good as an average Pink Floyd album. I agree that David Gilmour is the better singer - and musician, but the melodies and the lyrics require Roger Waters' singing. ------------- 
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Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: November 04 2010 at 05:08
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Second option. It´s a pity there are only two options. If I think about my relation with The Final Cut, more accurately told would be perhaps "indifferent". I´ve listened to it several times about 20 years ago and I must to admit that I really don´t like this style of musician expression. I fully agree with Anthony´s arguments but I think "Final Crap" is too strong word and even vulgarism for express of my attitude to this one. ------------- A Elbereth Gilthoniel silivren penna míriel o menel aglar elenath! Na-chaered palan-díriel o galadhremmin ennorath, Fanuilos, le linnathon nef aear, sí nef aearon! |
Posted By: Atoms
Date Posted: November 04 2010 at 05:17
| I think Roger's voice fits perfectly for this album, it took a while before I could take the time and listen to it, but once I did, I didn't hear anything bad. I pretty much liked what I was hearing, it wasn't amazing, but enjoyable. When I put on the LP maybe a month later I enjoyed it even more, it's by no means even remotely close to Roger's efforts on Wall or Animals, but it's still a good album. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: November 04 2010 at 05:44
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The Pink Floyd album The Final Cut is rather good, but the Roger Waters album Pros and Cons of Hicthiking I find extremely boring. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: yanch
Date Posted: November 04 2010 at 05:51
| This is a good album if viewed as a Roger Waters solo effort. I do not consider it a true Floyd album-no Rick Wright and no writing contribution from Dave Gilmour. Sound and song structures take after much of Waters' solo works, not Floyd. Voted crap as it relates to Floyd. If a Waters poll would say it's good. |
Posted By: King Manuel
Date Posted: November 04 2010 at 08:08
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Not the best PF album, but honestly there are worse!!! ------------- Don't Bore Us, Get To The Chorus |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: November 04 2010 at 08:13
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It is in my top three Pink Floyd albums, probably third behind Animals and Dark Side of the Moon.
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Posted By: jean-marie
Date Posted: November 04 2010 at 08:29
| For sure it's more a waters album than a floyd album (but it's rather good ), but what about momentary lapse of reason ?a nice album but not a real floyd album even if rick came back to add a few keyboards parts here and there and nick doesn't even play the whole drums parts and had to work hardly to learn them and perform them on stage. The only thing that sucks is to name final cut as crap, it's silly and not prog mind at all |
Posted By: Bonnek
Date Posted: November 04 2010 at 08:46
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None of both. It's a fine album for me, very interesting and unique but not exceptionally good. |
Posted By: sydbarrett2010
Date Posted: November 04 2010 at 10:12
| greeatttt album i disagree with all the things anthony said |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: November 04 2010 at 10:19
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I think it's a fantastic LP.
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: November 04 2010 at 10:30
He called me a fanboy which is so way off the mark. I did say I hated his favourite band though which I must admit was a bit naughty. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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The Sleepwalker wrote:Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: November 04 2010 at 10:32
Final Crap is how somebody (more than one) named it in the "worst of the worst" poll. Being this the origin of the discussion I have put it in this raw form. I think "indifferent" should go to the "crap" option, unless you are indifferent to the whole poll... One important thing: even if we can be passionate about a specific argument, I intend polls and threads "for joke only". I don't take them too seiously. What I take seriously are reviews because somebody can put some of his money on them. ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: November 04 2010 at 10:39
I like his fav band (in my top 10 until 2004) as much as I like Roger Waters...our problem I mean everybody's problem is that music is too strictly connected to emotions. Emotions can be "negative" for reasons that are not rationale. I hate Marilyn Manson for the look and I switch to a different channel if I see him on TV, but the first time that I've listened to him on a radio without knowing who was singing I really enjoyed the song. ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: Lozlan
Date Posted: November 04 2010 at 10:54
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Barf. Although I love Ink Floyd.  ------------- Certified Obscure Prog Fart. http://scottjcouturier.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow - The Loose Palace of Exile - My first novel, The Mask of Tamrel, now available on Amazon and Kindle |
Posted By: snobb
Date Posted: November 04 2010 at 11:08
| Far not so bad. Better than many of PF solo albums for sure. Possibly, better than some Gilmour's PF works |
Posted By: Jörgemeister
Date Posted: November 04 2010 at 11:12
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is bad, for being a floyd's, because of the high standards they set. but there are worst prog albums. still sucks tho  ------------- |
Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: November 04 2010 at 11:31
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Not a total piece of crap in my estimation, but it is an unpleasant listen. Good production and good lyrics - Waters clearly had more to say after The Wall, but it reeks of being a psychotherapy session. My least favorite PF album ever. ------------- The world of sound is certainly capable of infinite variety and, were our sense developed, of infinite extensions. -- George Santayana, "The Sense of Beauty" |
Posted By: Hawkwise
Date Posted: November 04 2010 at 11:41
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Damn site better than the so called Floyd that Followed . Division Bell Yawn , . At least Roger has something to say and says it very well, unlike Mr Gilmour who has to get his Mrs to write the Lyrics for him. ------------- 
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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: November 04 2010 at 11:45
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Great album |
Posted By: Anthony
Date Posted: November 04 2010 at 12:40
More than half of Roger Waters' lyrics are about how much the world sucks, so I can't really take him seriously anymore. ------------- Future prosperity lies in the way you heal the world with love (Introitus - The hand that feeds you) |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: November 04 2010 at 12:42
Yes but Roger Waters v Anthony.........Roger wins. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Anthony
Date Posted: November 04 2010 at 12:44
Sheesh, you do keep coming up with stupid comparisons based on nothing... I don't think I can take you seriously anymore either. ------------- Future prosperity lies in the way you heal the world with love (Introitus - The hand that feeds you) |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: November 04 2010 at 12:45
Never new you ever did.  besides..there was only one stupid in my comparison.
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Posted By: Anthony
Date Posted: November 04 2010 at 12:46
Touché. You're right, I never did. ------------- Future prosperity lies in the way you heal the world with love (Introitus - The hand that feeds you) |
Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: November 04 2010 at 12:47
Stop trollin' Snow 
I personally think the album is a masterpiece and very underrated.
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Posted By: The Sleepwalker
Date Posted: November 04 2010 at 12:48
Roger's lyrics tend to be critical towards society. And how could you blame him for expressing his views through music? You might not agree with them, but that's not something to hate him for, is it? That's something else than spamming every related thread on PA with the same whiny meaningless message x100 though.
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Posted By: Anthony
Date Posted: November 04 2010 at 12:50
No, it' isn't. At least I'm fair with my 'whiny' message, while Waters' whiny message about evil dictators is mere hypocrisy as he's an evil dictator himself. ------------- Future prosperity lies in the way you heal the world with love (Introitus - The hand that feeds you) |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: November 04 2010 at 12:51
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Posted By: The Sleepwalker
Date Posted: November 04 2010 at 12:51
As far as I know not over half of Roger's lyrics mention evil dictators. -------------
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Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: November 04 2010 at 12:58
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Thatcher wasn't a dictator was she?  ------------- http://blindpoetrecords.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: dave-the-rave
Date Posted: November 04 2010 at 12:59
| I agreed with Anthony when I first got the album— it was terribly disappointing, coming after 'The Wall.' Ten or fifteen years later, I began to appreciate it: Listen with headphones and think of it as a Broadway musical, rather than a rock music album. Then you can appreciate what's going on. Great Pink Floyd album??? Heck, no. But pretty interesting and well-done something of a different sort. |
Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: November 04 2010 at 13:50
Agreed. Yes it's heavy on the lyrics and light on melody but man Roger can write a song.So much emotion on this album. ------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: November 04 2010 at 15:17
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It has grown on me a lot, not one of my fave Floyd albums but still a good one that I prefer over The Wall nowadays.
The Final Cut it is, and definitely not the The Final Crap.
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Posted By: Zombywoof
Date Posted: November 04 2010 at 18:35
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I love the album, honestly. It's my favorite Floyd album! ------------- Continue the prog discussion here: http://zombyprog.proboards.com/index.cgi ... |
Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Date Posted: November 04 2010 at 18:38
Does not compute.
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Posted By: catfood03
Date Posted: November 04 2010 at 21:51
I thought Obscured by Clouds is supposed to be the worst Floyd.  I have never owned or listened to The Final Cut before discovering this thread, so I gave it a thorough listen (thanks to YouTube, except Not Now John was missing) and was mildly impressed. I for one prefer the darker atmospherics and mood on this to the David Gilmour led Floyd |
Posted By: Adams Bolero
Date Posted: November 04 2010 at 22:03
Obscured by Clouds is great! The Final Cut is good not great. ------------- ''Nobody realizes that some people expend tremendous energy merely to be normal.'' - Albert Camus |
Posted By: catfood03
Date Posted: November 04 2010 at 22:17
Maybe it's More I'm thinking of? |
Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: November 04 2010 at 22:20
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The worst Floyd album is Momentary Lapse of Reason. ------------- http://blindpoetrecords.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: November 04 2010 at 23:45
| I don't think it's Crap, though it's far from my fav Floyd album. There are some very good songs, mainly the title song for me, and "The Fletcher Memorial Home". The album would have been better if it had included both parts of "The Heroes Return", I find that one rather good, but far too short, while being played both parts together, it's long enough for me to enjoy it. And then, the inclusion of "When the Tigers Broke Free" on the last remaster also adds to the album. |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: November 05 2010 at 00:17
So two new candidates as worst PF album have appeared. I've been criticized because of negative polls so I won't open a new one.  Obscured by Clouds contains elements that were exploited later on Dark Side, Animals, The Wall and The Final Cut and has some of the darkest lyrics ever written by Waters. ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: pied piper
Date Posted: November 09 2010 at 05:23
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Oh well... I beg your pardon, but I wholly dislike Final Cut.
No matter what I think about Waters, but simply I don't like the tunes, that's all folks. And last but not least, Wright had quit the band... I think the record as a Water's solo, with Gilmour, Mason and others as session musician.
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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: November 09 2010 at 05:28
Try telling that to the poor sods who had to serve in her Cabinet ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: November 09 2010 at 05:30
Polls are here to make us express our thoughts. Until we are not offensive we all have the right to disagree each other  ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: November 09 2010 at 05:41
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The likers are well in the majority here. I'm quite pleased with that. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Publius84
Date Posted: November 09 2010 at 05:59
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The Final Cut is a fantastic album, very lyrical and personal, full of beautyful melodies. As was said, we can treat it as a Roger Waters solo effort released under the "Pink Floyd" name. But still it is a very solid "Pink Floyd" album or one of the best (if not the best) Waters album. Anyway it is a piece of very good anti-war concept album.
------------- I know what I like and I like what I know... Prog is in my heart, in my mind, in my soul... |
Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: November 09 2010 at 07:17
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The Final Cut is a Waters solo album - I dont have it contaminating my Pink Floyd collection. ------------- 
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: November 09 2010 at 10:46
| The Final Cut is still a pretty good album; the songs on the album that are unlistenable to me anymore are Southampton Dock and Not Now John; I still enjoy the rest though. |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: November 09 2010 at 22:49
| I don't like Southampton Dock very much either, but the live version from "In The Flesh" is pretty nice, it's got some extra chorus... and something seems to have been corrected from the original song. It just sounds more complete. |
Posted By: LateralMe
Date Posted: November 12 2010 at 15:40
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It's an alright CD but I'm not big on Pink Floyd. I'll have to say that The Final Cut song itself is great! ------------- A Flower!? |
Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: November 12 2010 at 15:59
| option two. I liked parts of it back in the day but..... |
Posted By: steppenfloyd
Date Posted: November 12 2010 at 18:19
| From what I've heard there are only two songs that I like from that album: Not Now John and The Fletcher Memorial Home. But Not Now John could have been much better without the goddamn background singers repeating "f**k all that" |
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Date Posted: November 12 2010 at 18:22
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Posted By: steppenfloyd
Date Posted: November 13 2010 at 18:08
| When the Tigers Broke Free has got to be the worst Pink Floyd song. |
Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: November 13 2010 at 18:15
From how the Brits talk about her I could compare her to a choice few of the US women political leaders. *CoughPelosiCough* ------------- http://blindpoetrecords.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow">
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