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Topic: Which format do you prefer?
Posted By: Lynx33
Subject: Which format do you prefer?
Date Posted: October 11 2010 at 06:10
There are formats with traditions, there are formats with atmosphere and there are formats with practical reasons. In which one do you prefer listening to your progressive music?


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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: October 11 2010 at 06:12
Vinyl.


Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: October 11 2010 at 06:18
CD or wma.

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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: October 11 2010 at 06:32

Vinyl and CD for me... with a preference for the later under the mini Lp format... for user friendliness reasons

 
WTF are APE& FLAC??


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Posted By: king
Date Posted: October 11 2010 at 06:33
Once you've heard good vinyl, you won't be happy with anything else.
 
But it's not very convenient!


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Posted By: friso
Date Posted: October 11 2010 at 06:35
Vinyl. Then comes a very long period of nothing. Some more nothing. Distand rumblings... some more nothing.. and then 320 kb/s mp3.


Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: October 11 2010 at 07:07
Originally posted by king king wrote:

Once you've heard good vinyl, you won't be happy with anything else.
 


You are wrong.


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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: October 11 2010 at 07:16
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by king king wrote:

Once you've heard good vinyl, you won't be happy with anything else.
 


You are wrong.
LOL
I grew up with vinyl and it ain't all that.  When Cds came out it was good bye needle noise.  I hate the "jewel" case.  Wish the original format had been put in cardboard mini-LP sleeves.  There really should be a moratorium on these threads until the next new format comes out.  So now I have to post the obligatory Jen Sorenson cartoon:
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: October 11 2010 at 07:39
What about wax cylinders?


Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: October 11 2010 at 07:41
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Vinyl and CD for me... with a preference for the later under the mini Lp format... for user friendliness reasons

 
WTF are APE& FLAC??
 
Don't know about APE but FLAC is a lossless format.


Posted By: Shevrzl
Date Posted: October 11 2010 at 07:49
 
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

 
WTF are APE& FLAC??


FLAC all the way. Both APE and FLAC are lossless formats, but with different compression levels. Also FLAC is open source.



Posted By: javiprog
Date Posted: October 11 2010 at 07:52
vinyl of course


Posted By: cacha71
Date Posted: October 11 2010 at 08:03
All formats have their charm (except MP3 128) but I prefer lossless or CD because the sound quality is so much better

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Posted By: VanVanVan
Date Posted: October 11 2010 at 08:04
320 MP3s. Cheaper than CDs/vinyl, easier to organize, and to my ears there's no difference in sound quality.

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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: October 11 2010 at 08:08
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by king king wrote:

Once you've heard good vinyl, you won't be happy with anything else.
 


You are wrong.
LOL
I grew up with vinyl and it ain't all that.  :
 

So did I and I agree. When Cd came along I never looked back. The only loss for me was the big covers.


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Posted By: RUSHMANIAC
Date Posted: October 11 2010 at 08:41
1.Vinyl
2.CD
3.-


Posted By: Show Don't Tell
Date Posted: October 11 2010 at 08:46
1. CD
2. FLAC
3. MP3 at variable bit rate (set at V2, V1, or V0)


P.S. MP3 128? Yuck.


Posted By: JD
Date Posted: October 11 2010 at 08:54
I prefer Vinyl without a doubt, but my turntable has a bad habit of skipping when I drive over railway tracks so I had to trade it in for a CD player. Even vinyl transfered to CD sounds better than the same title released on CD. Don't ask me why, but it's true. All the other formats...CRAP!

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Posted By: Jörgemeister
Date Posted: October 11 2010 at 09:02
MP3 320.

I have a pretty decent set up to listen music and i have never notice any difference between MP3 320 kbps and flac (but the difference in mb is noticeable)

someone prove me wrong with tangible facts.


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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: October 11 2010 at 09:05
It depends on the kind of music and year of release and also on the quality of the original recording. 
For me vinyl is better. I remember the first time I've listened to Atom Heart Mother on CD. The sound was cleaner with a lot of dynamics, but it wasn't the same. The fact is that starting from mid-80s artists and producers started thinking the sound for the "new" digital support. In this case digital is better.

But I vote for vinyl, anyway.


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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: October 11 2010 at 09:05
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

The only loss for me was the big covers.
I'm with you.  Vinyl is holding it's own against CD this poll.  We have a lot of vinyl fans out there apparently.  Man if only most of my records weren't ruined by the flood I could probably make a small fortune.


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Posted By: Jörgemeister
Date Posted: October 11 2010 at 09:12
if you chose vynil of CD, does it means you dont prefer portable music?

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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: October 11 2010 at 09:15
Originally posted by Arnold_Layne Arnold_Layne wrote:

if you chose vynil of CD, does it means you dont prefer portable music?
It's portable...it means that it's used because it's convenient, not because it's the best format. 
I have a lot of mp3s for portability reasons, but if I only had enough space at home I would still be playing my vinyls.


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Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: October 11 2010 at 09:17
I am perfectly happy with higher bitrate mp3s.


Posted By: ergaster
Date Posted: October 11 2010 at 09:27
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by king king wrote:

Once you've heard good vinyl, you won't be happy with anything else.
 


You are wrong.
LOL
I grew up with vinyl and it ain't all that.  :
 

So did I and I agree. When Cd came along I never looked back. The only loss for me was the big covers.


So did I and when CD came along I said "wtF#^%$ is this crap??"

The warmth and abience of vinyl just can't be surpassed.  "Needle noise" is part of its charm, but if your needle and wear noises are intruding, you just ain't looking after your stuff. 

After that I'll take FLAC.

Though I will admit the new remix CDs of the Crimso stuff are superb.  They oughta make them available on vinyl.

:)



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Posted By: ergaster
Date Posted: October 11 2010 at 09:29
Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

I prefer Vinyl without a doubt, but my turntable has a bad habit of skipping when I drive over railway tracks so I had to trade it in for a CD player. Even vinyl transfered to CD sounds better than the same title released on CD. Don't ask me why, but it's true. All the other formats...CRAP!


^^

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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: October 11 2010 at 09:32
Originally posted by ergaster ergaster wrote:


Though I will admit the new remix CDs of the Crimso stuff are superb.  They oughta make them available on vinyl.

:)



They ARE available on vinyl.


Posted By: Shevrzl
Date Posted: October 11 2010 at 09:35
Originally posted by Arnold_Layne Arnold_Layne wrote:

MP3 320.

I have a pretty decent set up to listen music and i have never notice any difference between MP3 320 kbps and flac (but the difference in mb is noticeable)

someone prove me wrong with tangible facts.

There's a lot detailed comparisons with all kinds of analysis and what nots in the net. It depends mainly on the setup and the ear of the listener. I agree there's not much noticeable difference, but try telling that to a audiophile. I prefer FLAC not entirely because it's superior compared to 320 mp3, just that I want my digital database to be in the best quality possible, regardless I can actually notice the difference or not. As for its large size, well I don't really mind it.



Posted By: Lark the Starless
Date Posted: October 11 2010 at 10:10
CD is best for me...then I just sync tracks to my mp3 player...mp3s aren't all that bad either.

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Posted By: Libor10
Date Posted: October 11 2010 at 10:11
Without hesitation it's CD (and SACD / DVDA on top of it). I have a lot of vinyls and I play them occasionaly. Not that their sound is bad or something, but I've found I'm a little bit lazy as the years come and go and playing CDs is easier for me...

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Posted By: Jörgemeister
Date Posted: October 11 2010 at 10:59
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by king king wrote:

Once you've heard good vinyl, you won't be happy with anything else.
 


You are wrong.
LOL
I grew up with vinyl and it ain't all that.  When Cds came out it was good bye needle noise.  I hate the "jewel" case.  Wish the original format had been put in cardboard mini-LP sleeves.  There really should be a moratorium on these threads until the next new format comes out.  So now I have to post the obligatory Jen Sorenson cartoon:
cartoon

very funny, 2 rpm huh?

now just for fun, I know the relation isnt exactly lineal but is a close aproximation....


in --- rpm
12 --- 33
10 --- 43
 7 --- 48
64 --- 2
so, at 2 rpm the vinyl will have to be 64 inches , 1.62 meters. LOL


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Posted By: Lozlan
Date Posted: October 11 2010 at 11:17
As always, a difficult question.  Do I vote for the format that I use, or do I vote for the format that I find most aesthetically pleasing?  Either 320 MP3s or vinyl.  Hmmmmm....

Went with vinyl.  Nothing beats holding a record in your hands.




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Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: October 11 2010 at 11:22
CD, for the clean sound, as others have said.  What was truly absurd when they first came out were the long boxes - 12 x however wide a jewel case is, just so they could fit in the same bins that used to hold 12 inch vinyl records.  Sound has definitely improved on CD, ever since the record labels realized that everything needs to be mixed differently to accomodate the new format.  Many early CD releases did not have good sound because of lazy mastering.  But with the newer and more appropriate techniques, the more recent releases sound much better.  Still, they are different in subtle and not so subtle ways.  I still have  all of my vinyl, but don't listen much because of their age and the fact that, as has been said, CD's are easier to deal with.  Very little of my vinyl has been replaced on CD, I don't see much reason for it, but for the few that I have on both formats, I hear the difference.  CDs are cleaner, yes, but vinyl has a ballsier capability - more bass and low end.  Still, I prefer the cleaner sound, and find little to no charm in the pops and scratches vinyl is subject to.  I grew up with that stuff and don't miss it, which is why I find it absurd when artists deliberately put those kinds of sounds onto their recordings.

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Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: October 11 2010 at 11:45
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by king king wrote:

Once you've heard good vinyl, you won't be happy with anything else.
 


You are wrong.


Then you've never heard good vinyl.


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Posted By: unclemeat69
Date Posted: October 11 2010 at 11:47
CD's,
for convenience' sake I go for mp3, if I had an ogg-player I would go for that.

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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: October 11 2010 at 11:48
Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by king king wrote:

Once you've heard good vinyl, you won't be happy with anything else.
 


You are wrong.


Then you've never heard good vinyl.
I have.


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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: October 11 2010 at 11:53
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by king king wrote:

Once you've heard good vinyl, you won't be happy with anything else.
 


You are wrong.


Then you've never heard good vinyl.
I have.

Me too.  ECM vinyl, they were usually supreme.


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Posted By: ergaster
Date Posted: October 11 2010 at 11:53
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by king king wrote:

Once you've heard good vinyl, you won't be happy with anything else.
 


You are wrong.


Then you've never heard good vinyl.
I have.


You think you have.

Smile


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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: October 11 2010 at 11:56
Originally posted by ergaster ergaster wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by king king wrote:

Once you've heard good vinyl, you won't be happy with anything else.
 


You are wrong.


Then you've never heard good vinyl.
I have.


You think you have.

Smile

Doesn't really matter what you say. I always have and always will prefer CD. After suffering vinyl for so many years I was glad to see the back of them.


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Posted By: ergaster
Date Posted: October 11 2010 at 11:57
Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Originally posted by ergaster ergaster wrote:


Though I will admit the new remix CDs of the Crimso stuff are superb.  They oughta make them available on vinyl.

:)



They ARE available on vinyl.


Srsly?? 

I gotta pay more attention.  Good to know.  Embarrassed


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Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: October 11 2010 at 11:57
Vinyl beyond any doubt.

On really excellent equipment (I use a Pink Triangle Anniversary TT with an SME V arm and Lyra Lydian cartridge) needle noise is not generally intrusive (except on worn/damaged albums) and the music sounds sensational - clear, analytical and natural.

I have archived most of my collection onto metal/superchrome cassettes (yes, that old format) and my own recordings off vinyl sound far better than the same CDs do.

I suspect most peoples' experience of vinyl is on cheap and nasty decks and they can sound pretty horrible. But try a Projekt, Rega or similar deck and you'll start to see what I mean. If you are able to buy something like my deck (Linn, Nottingham Analogue, Roksan or similar), your mind will be blown.


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Posted By: ergaster
Date Posted: October 11 2010 at 12:00
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by ergaster ergaster wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by king king wrote:

Once you've heard good vinyl, you won't be happy with anything else.
 


You are wrong.


Then you've never heard good vinyl.
I have.


You think you have.

Smile

Doesn't really matter what you say. I always have and always will prefer CD. After suffering vinyl for so many years I was glad to see the back of them.


Well of course it doesn't matter--it is all personal preference after all. 

but still....Wink


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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: October 11 2010 at 12:01
Originally posted by ergaster ergaster wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by ergaster ergaster wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by king king wrote:

Once you've heard good vinyl, you won't be happy with anything else.
 


You are wrong.


Then you've never heard good vinyl.
I have.


You think you have.

Smile

Doesn't really matter what you say. I always have and always will prefer CD. After suffering vinyl for so many years I was glad to see the back of them.


Well of course it doesn't matter--it is all personal preference after all. 

but still....Wink

Glad to hear a vinyl lover admit that.


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Posted By: MonsterMagnet
Date Posted: October 11 2010 at 12:33
Vinyl (I have around 130 vinyls and 30 CD...)


Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: October 11 2010 at 12:43
Other. Phonograph cylinder.LOL
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Posted By: Klogg
Date Posted: October 11 2010 at 12:45
Cassete!

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Posted By: Nathaniel607
Date Posted: October 11 2010 at 12:45
Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

and my own recordings off vinyl sound far better than the same CDs do.


Surely, this proves that it's all in audiophiles' heads? I mean, why ON EARTH would direct rips from vinyls on to CDs that are COMPLETLY unoptimized for the format sound better than actual mastered version? I'm thought this for a while and what I'm hearing on this thread just further cements that belief.

Anyways, CDs/320kb. Both sound perfect to my ears. FLACS are nice, but I can't afford multiple terabytes of hard drive space for my music collection Tongue.


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Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: October 11 2010 at 12:46
And what about MCs? I own about 130 pieces somewhere down in my case...

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Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: October 11 2010 at 12:52
another mp3-sourced file
 
Frequent anaylisis of a MP source song. (note the drop outs of the song at the end but some of the higher sounds are inaudible to human ears).
 
wav file
 
Frequence analysis of a .Wav of the same song.


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Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: October 11 2010 at 13:02
I prefer CD and FLAC, in fact, FLAC is one of the best way to keep records fine.
 
Some 16 bit  or 24 bit DVD remasters of albums are great.
 
 
A 24/96 DVD A can kick  T*******    to a Vinyl without problem.
 
 
 
I hate Vinyls, in the past and before the cd's i have cassettes and vinyls and i hate the way that have to be handle, they scratch and damage easily, also they have the problem of taking care of the cover art... and finally the decks, what a mess to protect them, i have only bad experiences of hearing music of a vinyl, they look fine as a piece of art rather than to hear music.
 
Example: For years i have to hear Fireball with a fuzz of scratch and when the cd arrives, that what's the first time that i hear it full blown.
 
 
APE and SHN are good as well.
 
MP3 only of 128 to 320.


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Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: October 11 2010 at 13:11
For vinyl to sound great:

1. Need a first pressing.
2. Needs to be on non-recycled vinyl.
3. Needs to be played on expensive equipment.

 And yet...

1. Dynamic range is still limited.
2. Surface noise is ever-present
3. Quality degrades every single time the needle runs across the surface
4. Dust accumulation.
5. Effects of gravity during storage.

A CD, on the other hand, sounds as perfect today as the day it rolled out of the factory in 1985.


Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: October 11 2010 at 13:18
Originally posted by WalterDigsTunes WalterDigsTunes wrote:


5. Effects of gravity during storage.

I haven't pulled out a vinyl record in a few years now, but some of the ones that one of my bosses salvaged that went underwater had indeed flattened a little on the bottom.  There were some that hadn't been out of the sleeve since I copied them to cassette.


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Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: October 11 2010 at 13:26
Originally posted by Nathaniel607 Nathaniel607 wrote:

Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

and my own recordings off vinyl sound far better than the same CDs do.


Surely, this proves that it's all in audiophiles' heads? I mean, why ON EARTH would direct rips from vinyls on to CDs that are COMPLETLY unoptimized for the format sound better than actual mastered version?


Read my post more carefully - the recordings I made were on cassette, not CD. The vinyl sourced, self-recorded cassettes sound far better than the commercial CDs.


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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: October 11 2010 at 13:29
Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

Originally posted by Nathaniel607 Nathaniel607 wrote:

Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

and my own recordings off vinyl sound far better than the same CDs do.


Surely, this proves that it's all in audiophiles' heads? I mean, why ON EARTH would direct rips from vinyls on to CDs that are COMPLETLY unoptimized for the format sound better than actual mastered version?


Read my post more carefully - the recordings I made were on cassette, not CD. The vinyl sourced, self-recorded cassettes sound far better than the commercial CDs.

I just don't believe it.



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Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: October 11 2010 at 13:30
Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

[QUOTE=Nathaniel607] [QUOTE=Hercules]

Read my post more carefully - the recordings I made were on cassette, not CD. The vinyl sourced, self-recorded cassettes sound far better than the commercial CDs.
 
Not true , especially with 16/44 remastering.


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Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: October 11 2010 at 13:31
Hercules, put some spectral analysis of your recorder cassettes and put a spectral of a "comercial CD" of the artist that you want.

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Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: October 11 2010 at 13:32
Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

Originally posted by Nathaniel607 Nathaniel607 wrote:

Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

and my own recordings off vinyl sound far better than the same CDs do.


Surely, this proves that it's all in audiophiles' heads? I mean, why ON EARTH would direct rips from vinyls on to CDs that are COMPLETLY unoptimized for the format sound better than actual mastered version?


Read my post more carefully - the recordings I made were on cassette, not CD. The vinyl sourced, self-recorded cassettes sound far better than the commercial CDs.


Let me get this straight... you take a sound on a crackly, hiss and surface noise filled format with a limited dynamic range and then place a second generation copy onto a format with an even more limited range and additional hiss. Then, you say it sounds better than crystal-clear digital perfection.

Yeah, and  I'm Batman.


Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: October 11 2010 at 13:33
A lossless file will show a good definition picture, the colours slowly cross-fading ones into others:
 
http://wiki.dimeadozen.org/index.php/Image:Lossless_SA1_EAC.jpg">Lossless_SA
 
A lossy sourced file will give something like that:
 
http://wiki.dimeadozen.org/index.php/Image:Lossy_SA1_EAC.jpg">Lossy_SA


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Posted By: clarke2001
Date Posted: October 11 2010 at 13:37
I love vinyl for reasons I don't need to explain to vinyl fans. I won't debate analog vs digital sounds, but vinyl has the charm because of the great art, and a listening ritual and pleasure of record spinning.

However, I voted for other, since this poll is oriented on various digital formats.

My preferred format is mp3 with variable bit rate. I won't say it's better than other formats, I just like it.

Honorable mentions go to:

1. Cassette. I'm the child of the 80's, and I've been discovering the world of music on my double-decker boombox. (ITT-Nokia!)

2. Reel-to-reel tape. When you're recording music, the pleasure at looking at reels spinning and vu-meters jumping in the rhythm of your music is beyond description.




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Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: October 11 2010 at 13:41
Originally posted by clarke2001 clarke2001 wrote:

I love vinyl for reasons I don't need to explain to vinyl fans. I won't debate analog vs digital sounds, but vinyl has the charm because of the great art, and a listening ritual and pleasure of record spinning.

However, I voted for other, since this poll is oriented on various digital formats.

My preferred format is mp3 with variable bit rate. I won't say it's better than other formats, I just like it.

Honorable mentions go to:

1. Cassette. I'm the child of the 80's, and I've been discovering the world of music on my double-decker boombox. (ITT-Nokia!)

2. Reel-to-reel tape. When you're recording music, the pleasure at looking at reels spinning and vu-meters jumping in the rhythm of your music is beyond description.


 
Ah the Reel to Reel, i almost forgot what pleasure do the VU meters i used to have a TEAC series of those.


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Posted By: 33rpm
Date Posted: October 11 2010 at 14:15
Vinyl beyond question!

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Posted By: spookytooth
Date Posted: October 11 2010 at 14:19
I gotta go with FLAC on this one, although I have to say that lately I have been taking a liking to cassette tapes.

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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: October 11 2010 at 14:26
Vinyl at home...because I too grew up with vinyl. but anywhere else its mp3 or WMA files. 
To me mp3 and other files lack in the low end, whereas to me vinyl is not lowend deficient. Also I think vinyl has a much richer sound than CDs or mp3.
 
But it is hard finding new issues on vinyl...and expensive.


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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: October 11 2010 at 14:53
I was so much of a play it once to tape to cassette using dbx noise reduction kind of guy.  For those who aren't familiar with dbx, it was (is?) superior to Dullby.  I swear you could make a cassette that sounded just as good as the original.  Of course if you played it back on a non dbx deck it sounded like crap because it used compression to get over the tape hiss and under the distortion.  RIP cassette collection 9/21/09. Cry
Eh, my last dbx deck had quit working years ago anyway.  But I lost some good live stuff taped off the radio.


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Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: October 11 2010 at 14:56

I switched from vinyl to cassettes i think around 1980,mainly because i loved listening to my music in the car.When cds came out i couldn't get over how much clearer they sounded over the vinyl and cassettes and have since replaced everything with cds.



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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: October 11 2010 at 15:06
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

I was so much of a play it once to tape to cassette using dbx noise reduction kind of guy.  For those who aren't familiar with dbx, it was (is?) superior to Dullby.  I swear you could make a cassette that sounded just as good as the original.  Of course if you played it back on a non dbx deck it sounded like crap because it used compression to get over the tape hiss and under the distortion.  RIP cassette collection 9/21/09. Cry
Eh, my last dbx deck had quit working years ago anyway.  But I lost some good live stuff taped off the radio.
 
I was a cassette whore.....I put everything I owned on cassette with dbx nr. I think I used mainly Denon tapes which I could not tell the difference, usually.
My cassette deck quit on me about 4 yrs ago.....I have been tossing the idea of getting another one for nostalgia reasons and cause I still have probably 300 tapes......


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Posted By: Todd
Date Posted: October 11 2010 at 15:21
Well, I prefer CD, but for convenience I rip everything to WMA so I can fit lots of music onto my three Zunes (two 120 and one 80), which I listen to at work with a Kicker docking station.  But I have all the CDs back at home, and usually that's the format I listen to at home.
 
As a sidenote, I am quite amazed at the 5.1 mixes of artists such as Genesis, King Crimson, Porcupine Tree, and Magenta.  Really quite astounding, and a totally new experience.


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Posted By: Sckxyss
Date Posted: October 11 2010 at 16:19
128kbps mp3.

I actually can't tell the difference from a cd, and I more than double my iPod battery/storage capabilities compared to 320. The limiting factor is more likely to be the iPod sound drivers, rather than the format. 

And of course, digital formats are way more convenient than physical. No way I'm lugging around hundreds to thousands of cds/vinyls and not being able to play them anywhere I want to.


Posted By: Nathaniel607
Date Posted: October 11 2010 at 16:23
Originally posted by WalterDigsTunes WalterDigsTunes wrote:

For vinyl to sound great:

1. Need a first pressing.
2. Needs to be on non-recycled vinyl.
3. Needs to be played on expensive equipment.

 And yet...

1. Dynamic range is still limited.
2. Surface noise is ever-present
3. Quality degrades every single time the needle runs across the surface
4. Dust accumulation.
5. Effects of gravity during storage.

A CD, on the other hand, sounds as perfect today as the day it rolled out of the factory in 1985.


I want to say, this is the last opinion I expected Walter to express... I definitely had you pinned as a vinyl guy.

Wait... what's that at the end...

Originally posted by WalterDigsTunes WalterDigsTunes wrote:

the day it rolled out of the factory in 1985.


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Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: October 11 2010 at 16:27
Originally posted by Nathaniel607 Nathaniel607 wrote:

Originally posted by WalterDigsTunes WalterDigsTunes wrote:

For vinyl to sound great:

1. Need a first pressing.
2. Needs to be on non-recycled vinyl.
3. Needs to be played on expensive equipment.

 And yet...

1. Dynamic range is still limited.
2. Surface noise is ever-present
3. Quality degrades every single time the needle runs across the surface
4. Dust accumulation.
5. Effects of gravity during storage.

A CD, on the other hand, sounds as perfect today as the day it rolled out of the factory in 1985.


I want to say, this is the last opinion I expected Walter to express... I definitely had you pinned as a vinyl guy.

Wait... what's that at the end...

Originally posted by WalterDigsTunes WalterDigsTunes wrote:

the day it rolled out of the factory in 1985.


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CDs were among the best musical developments of the eighties. Adios format-inherent hiss!


Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: October 11 2010 at 16:29
Originally posted by Todd Todd wrote:

Well, I prefer CD, but for convenience I rip everything to WMA so I can fit lots of music onto my three Zunes (two 120 and one 80), which I listen to at work with a Kicker docking station.  But I have all the CDs back at home, and usually that's the format I listen to at home.
 
As a sidenote, I am quite amazed at the 5.1 mixes of artists such as Genesis, King Crimson, Porcupine Tree, and Magenta.  Really quite astounding, and a totally new experience.

You have all three of those Zunes full?  Shocked  My 80's full now, I want a 120.


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Posted By: esky
Date Posted: October 11 2010 at 16:45
Vinyl. I remember as a kid picking up Mr. Squire's Fish Out of Water on vinyl, running home, and listening to it on earphones. A deep, resonating experience (even with the snaps, crackles, and pops) that was other-worldly. I just can't seem recreate it with the Japanese import version. Two different animals.


Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: October 11 2010 at 16:54
Originally posted by SaltyJon SaltyJon wrote:

Originally posted by Todd Todd wrote:

Well, I prefer CD, but for convenience I rip everything to WMA so I can fit lots of music onto my three Zunes (two 120 and one 80), which I listen to at work with a Kicker docking station.  But I have all the CDs back at home, and usually that's the format I listen to at home.
 
As a sidenote, I am quite amazed at the 5.1 mixes of artists such as Genesis, King Crimson, Porcupine Tree, and Magenta.  Really quite astounding, and a totally new experience.

You have all three of those Zunes full?  Shocked  My 80's full now, I want a 120.
 
Todd's a beast!!! I'm still trying to fill my 2 30GB Zunes.....CryCry


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Posted By: Anirml
Date Posted: October 11 2010 at 17:00
Vinyl!

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Posted By: Todd
Date Posted: October 11 2010 at 17:29
Originally posted by SaltyJon SaltyJon wrote:

Originally posted by Todd Todd wrote:

Well, I prefer CD, but for convenience I rip everything to WMA so I can fit lots of music onto my three Zunes (two 120 and one 80), which I listen to at work with a Kicker docking station.  But I have all the CDs back at home, and usually that's the format I listen to at home.
 
As a sidenote, I am quite amazed at the 5.1 mixes of artists such as Genesis, King Crimson, Porcupine Tree, and Magenta.  Really quite astounding, and a totally new experience.

You have all three of those Zunes full?  Shocked  My 80's full now, I want a 120.
 
One Zune120 is nearly full (5gb left)--that's my prog Zune.  The other is classic rock, jazz, and alternative, and it's probably half full.  The Zune80 is classical, and it's about half full.
 
I use WMA 128 for my Zunes, as the sound quality is good enough (roughly equivalent to MP3 160) for my day to day usage, and I don't want the files to be too large.  I still have the CDs too, in case I want to rip into a higher quality format.
 
Love the Zune!


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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: October 11 2010 at 21:00
... what is up with admins moving polls where they can't be voted in?


Posted By: The-time-is-now
Date Posted: October 12 2010 at 05:03
Can't vote Confused

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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: October 12 2010 at 16:41
Originally posted by Todd Todd wrote:

Originally posted by SaltyJon SaltyJon wrote:

Originally posted by Todd Todd wrote:

Well, I prefer CD, but for convenience I rip everything to WMA so I can fit lots of music onto my three Zunes (two 120 and one 80), which I listen to at work with a Kicker docking station.  But I have all the CDs back at home, and usually that's the format I listen to at home.
 
As a sidenote, I am quite amazed at the 5.1 mixes of artists such as Genesis, King Crimson, Porcupine Tree, and Magenta.  Really quite astounding, and a totally new experience.

You have all three of those Zunes full?  Shocked  My 80's full now, I want a 120.
 
One Zune120 is nearly full (5gb left)--that's my prog Zune.  The other is classic rock, jazz, and alternative, and it's probably half full.  The Zune80 is classical, and it's about half full.
 
I use WMA 128 for my Zunes, as the sound quality is good enough (roughly equivalent to MP3 160) for my day to day usage, and I don't want the files to be too large.  I still have the CDs too, in case I want to rip into a higher quality format.
 
Love the Zune!
 
I love my Zunes too.........I had 4 at one time, gave one away and my son lost the other one.
 


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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: October 12 2010 at 16:55
Count me in the Zune fan club.  I rip to WMA.

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Posted By: Jörgemeister
Date Posted: October 12 2010 at 17:53
Originally posted by SaltyJon SaltyJon wrote:

Originally posted by Todd Todd wrote:

Well, I prefer CD, but for convenience I rip everything to WMA so I can fit lots of music onto my three Zunes (two 120 and one 80), which I listen to at work with a Kicker docking station.  But I have all the CDs back at home, and usually that's the format I listen to at home.
 
As a sidenote, I am quite amazed at the 5.1 mixes of artists such as Genesis, King Crimson, Porcupine Tree, and Magenta.  Really quite astounding, and a totally new experience.

You have all three of those Zunes full?  Shocked  My 80's full now, I want a 120.

My 120 is full, i'd buy your 80 full so you can buy a 120 :D


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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: October 12 2010 at 18:08
Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

... what is up with admins moving polls where they can't be voted in?


I moved it, and didn't realise most people can't vote in this forum.  I can.  It was misplaced in Prog Polls, however.  Though I don't think it matters if people can vote via the poll options or not as they can always mention their vote in a post, I'll move this to General Polls since I'm sure such polls work there. Thanks.


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Posted By: ferush
Date Posted: October 12 2010 at 18:34
CD; If not for scratch I had chosen Vinyl


Posted By: GY!BE
Date Posted: October 12 2010 at 19:16
Old school vinylsCool

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Posted By: nordwind
Date Posted: October 12 2010 at 19:23
CDs Clap

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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: October 12 2010 at 20:21
k Logan, coo'

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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: October 12 2010 at 20:25
When I get a better sound card and speakers, FLAC/CD. At this point though it's really hard to tell the difference between 320/V0 mp3 and CD and lossless formats. Overall, V0/320 kbps mp3, because FLAC files are overall too impractical, but essential for classical recordings, if possible.

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Posted By: The-time-is-now
Date Posted: October 13 2010 at 03:58
CD or vinyl...

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Posted By: Paravion
Date Posted: October 13 2010 at 04:22
Tape. No contest.


Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: October 13 2010 at 04:35
CD's are my preferred, although 320KPBS MP3 are probably my most used, if only for practicality.

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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: October 13 2010 at 04:58
Originally posted by Paravion Paravion wrote:

Tape. No contest.


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Posted By: warrplayer
Date Posted: October 14 2010 at 16:33
Originally posted by Paravion Paravion wrote:


Tape. No contest.


reel to reel, cassette or 8 track cartridge?  :)


Posted By: Viajero Astral
Date Posted: October 14 2010 at 18:51
A live performance Tongue

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Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: October 14 2010 at 21:48
mp3 320 is just the most convenient. 
Vinyl is great in all but the records are... well... large. 
Cd's can be tedious, 
FLAC are just pointless unless you are some over-bearing audiophile.
 Ape, well who the hell uses ape! 
mp3 128 is alright if you need to save space but still want quasi-decent quality. 
WMA is good, but only microsoft-friendly products can use them (bane on the iPods!!!) 
wav is just a very, very, very large file that really is only good for audio mixing, not pleasure listening. 
And then the others dwindle into obscurity.....


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Posted By: mono
Date Posted: October 20 2010 at 03:59
1- Vynil, even if storage becomes difficult.
2- CD for the sound and the feel/artwork/sitting down while noone can just hit "shuffle" and ruin your listen
3- OGG for digital formats. mp3 isn't better and is proprietary. plus, i've always been reassured (no objective reason) by Ogg at max quality (~500kbps)

I find flac to be the most useless (for me), unless you're in the following situation:
you want to see if you can differentiate 96kHz (or more) encoding from 48/44 and you managed to get a 96kHz version of a studio recorded track.
If not, just buy the CD. Equal quality plus the artwork/booklet/physical format...


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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: October 20 2010 at 09:55
Easy. Vinyl.

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Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: October 20 2010 at 09:59
FLAC is very useful you don`t lose quality and also more and more players are including a codec to reproduce this kind of format.
 
Also is very useful for long term storage.
 
Vinyl is just... impractical...


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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: October 20 2010 at 10:04
All my friends comment about the ticks and scratches on vinyl. I just tell them I don't listen to the ticks and scratches, I listen to the bloody music. All this high tech crap makes me want to go to the toilet and lose my buiscuts.

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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: October 20 2010 at 10:32
Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

All my friends comment about the ticks and scratches on vinyl. I just tell them I don't listen to the ticks and scratches, I listen to the bloody music. All this high tech crap makes me want to go to the toilet and lose my buiscuts.

Interesting, bllerrrrggghhh. 

There is software that can fix those things somewhat but you have to rip them to a digital format these days.  Back in the vinyl days I did have a device you could run the turntable signal through.  Didn't work really well, but for the more serious record flaws, it was better than listening to the music straight up.


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Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: October 20 2010 at 10:49
My favorite: MP3 VBR ~256kbps.

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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: October 20 2010 at 10:51
Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

My favorite: MP3 VBR ~256kbps.

Replace MP3 with OGG and you have my answer.

Although I do have FLAC backups for all my physical discs.



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