Iron Maiden or Metallica?
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Topic: Iron Maiden or Metallica?
Posted By: Gandalff
Subject: Iron Maiden or Metallica?
Date Posted: August 29 2010 at 10:12
I´m curious about the situation after new Iron Maiden release...
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Posted By: Progatron
Date Posted: August 29 2010 at 10:18
I grew up listening to both bands, and have a deep love for both. When I was in grade seven, Master Of Puppets and Live After Death were current releases. Still can listen to either band without having become tired of them over so many years.
In a musical sense, I cannot vote for one band over another. They both have mostly excellent releases throughout their lengthy careers, and one or two stinkers (St. Anger, Virtual XI), and all the players are excellent. So I will choose different criteria: I love the *guys* in Maiden, and find the guys in Metallica to be mostly a bunch of egotistic knobs, apart from Jason Newsted and whatever the newest bassist's name is.
UP THE IRONS!
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: August 29 2010 at 10:23
Iron Maiden, easily. They have some of my all-time favorite music. Metallica's great too, and they were one of my first metal bands, but Master of Puppets, ...And Justice For All, and Death Magnetic are their only really fantastic albums IMO. Almost every Iron Maiden album gets 4 or 5 stars from me.
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Posted By: Gandalfino
Date Posted: August 29 2010 at 10:59
Posted By: Weirdamigo
Date Posted: August 29 2010 at 11:53
Metallica for me here. I respect Iron Maiden but in my opinion they get boring after a couple of listens and you "outgrow "them ,if you will, and you lose interest as fast as you gained it.
Metallica on the other hand always tried to reinvent themselves by making ballads, interesting riffs etc. But that was before they released St.Anger and the other disappointments.
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Posted By: friso
Date Posted: August 29 2010 at 12:00
Iron Maiden is one of my favorite bands ever!
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Posted By: Wanorak
Date Posted: August 29 2010 at 12:28
Iron Maiden by a country mile:) Their music is so melodic compared to Metallica's. Bruce Davidson far outshines Hetfield's very poor vocals. Hetfield's vocals destroy what could be great just as the growling in Opeth turns me off a brilliantly talented group of instumentalists.
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Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Date Posted: August 29 2010 at 12:29
The one who didn't go down the toilet after 4 albums.
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Posted By: Gandalfino
Date Posted: August 29 2010 at 12:30
Wanorak wrote:
Iron Maiden by a country mile:) Their music is so melodic compared to Metallica's. Bruce Davidson far outshines Hetfield's very poor vocals. Hetfield's vocals destroy what could be great just as the growling in Opeth turns me off a brilliantly talented group of instumentalists. |
Did you mean Bruce Dickinson?
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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: August 29 2010 at 12:59
Mercyful Fate.
Or Manowar.
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Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: August 29 2010 at 13:06
CPicard wrote:
Mercyful Fate.
Or Manowar. |
So let create your own thread and don´t make silly jokes.
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Posted By: kole
Date Posted: August 29 2010 at 13:27
Pff, Iron Maiden by miiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiles.
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Posted By: Pekka
Date Posted: August 29 2010 at 13:33
Progatron wrote:
I grew up listening to both bands, and have a deep love for both. |
Yeah, I went through my teenage years being a huge fan of both, and still am. I guess I could go for Maiden since they have had a serious impact on my life, not just musically. Their albums are quite equal.
But how is Kirk an egoistic knob? I guess if one bases his picture of the bandmembers on stuff like Some Kind of Monster (not saying that you do), part of the band may well come across like that, with all the power struggles going on, but from what I've heard they're all very cool and down to earth people around fans and press. Nowadays at least.
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Posted By: Progatron
Date Posted: August 29 2010 at 13:51
Pekka wrote:
But how is Kirk an egoistic knob? I guess if one bases his picture of the bandmembers on stuff like Some Kind of Monster (not saying that you do), part of the band may well come across like that, with all the power struggles going on, but from what I've heard they're all very cool and down to earth people around fans and press. Nowadays at least. |
Actually, you're right. I should have pointed out that Kirk isn't an egotistic knob, just a knob. And although I watched and enjoyed Some Kind Of Monster, that documentary came out many years after I had already formed my opinion of those guys. And perhaps as they've aged, they've mellowed, who knows?
Either way, it's entirely unimportant what they are like as people. All that really matters is their music, and it is great. It is a nice bonus, though, when they're cool, down-to-earth guys. I'd love to sit and have some pints with the Maiden guys. I'd pass on even meeting the Metallica guys, unless I happened to bump into them on the street - which if I ever do, maybe I'd be pleasantly surprised.
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Posted By: Takeshi Kovacs
Date Posted: August 29 2010 at 14:02
Maiden.
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Posted By: King Winter
Date Posted: August 29 2010 at 14:08
Both of them are part of my 10 favourite bands. Metallica by a hair...
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Posted By: Wanorak
Date Posted: August 29 2010 at 15:17
OOOPS thanks Gandolfini lol, I don't know what I was thinking, whatever you call him Bruce Dickinson is a far superior singer!
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Posted By: toolis
Date Posted: August 29 2010 at 16:29
Iron who?
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: August 29 2010 at 16:34
DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:
The one who didn't go down the toilet after 4 albums. |
So true!
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Posted By: Wolf Spider
Date Posted: August 29 2010 at 16:40
Maiden by a tousand miles!
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Posted By: Iron Nate
Date Posted: August 29 2010 at 23:33
Metallica. Although Maiden have been consistently great throughout their career I feel that Metallica's best is better than Maiden's best, slightly.
But the best thing about these two giants is that each will be seen by me in the coming six months.
UP THE IRONS!!
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Posted By: AbrahamSapien
Date Posted: August 30 2010 at 02:02
Not a fan of Metallica or Maiden but Metallica isn't nearly as boring as Iron Maiden.
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Posted By: lensag
Date Posted: August 30 2010 at 03:30
Maiden for me!
Metallica were a great band untill The Black Album..There are some songs (few) that i can still listen after that period (one of the best they´ve ever done is Low Man´s Lyrics), but i rarely do so.
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Posted By: progrules
Date Posted: August 30 2010 at 03:55
Another tough call. But I go with Maiden because they are more progressive I feel and since we're on PA and not on a metal forum I go with the British giants this time ..
Besides that I have a slight preference for IM. But then again when I think of Metallica's San Diego DVD ... it's really hard to say.
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Posted By: trackstoni
Date Posted: August 30 2010 at 04:04
Think About It For a Minute or a Day or a Year , what did they brought both to our culture , the Progressive Rock Culture !!? in my Opinion , they're both good , but they brought nothing , nothing at all , except some Imitations from previous scenes , that makes no difference in our Wide Archive / Budgie , Dust , Blue Oysters , Manfred Mann , Purples , Uriah Heep & Black Sabbath did what they're Doing now in better Shape /
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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: August 30 2010 at 04:21
trackstoni wrote:
what did they brought both to our culture , the Progressive Rock Culture !!? in my Opinion , they're both good , but they brought nothing , nothing at all |
Metallica -> big influence for Dream Theater
Iron Maiden -> big influence for Queensrÿche and Fates Warning
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Posted By: GY!BE
Date Posted: August 30 2010 at 07:24
Absolutely Maiden for me.
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: August 30 2010 at 07:53
lucas wrote:
trackstoni wrote:
what did they brought both to our culture , the Progressive Rock Culture !!? in my Opinion , they're both good , but they brought nothing , nothing at all |
Metallica -> big influence for Dream Theater
Iron Maiden -> big influence for Queensrÿche and Fates Warning |
Dream Theater's also huge Iron Maiden fans. They covered The Number of the Beast in its entirety and released a live album of the performance.
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: August 30 2010 at 08:02
I really like both, but have to go Iron Maiden because they've simply put out more music that I like.
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Posted By: spookytooth
Date Posted: August 30 2010 at 08:03
Iron Maiden. They're more consistent with their music and their music has much more of a progressive feel than Metallica's music.
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: August 30 2010 at 08:06
Gandalff wrote:
I´m curious about the situation after new Iron Maiden release... |
This has nothing to do with Maiden's new release as i haven't heard it. Stilll going to vote Maiden though.
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: August 30 2010 at 08:15
^^^ Same here. Vote goes to Maiden, although I've not heard the new album.
I can take or leave Metallica. I lost interest in late 80's. I did see them on the Master of Puppets tour though, and they were very good.
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Posted By: ppl
Date Posted: August 30 2010 at 10:18
maiden without a doubt..i hate metallica for creating thrash metal scene...when maiden was creating wonderful music metallica became the new ''sex pistols'' only heavier..UP the irons..
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Posted By: Lark the Starless
Date Posted: August 30 2010 at 10:37
Metallica, if just for their first 4 (5) albums
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Posted By: Pekka
Date Posted: August 30 2010 at 10:54
ppl wrote:
metallica became the new ''sex pistols'' only heavier |
An interesting comparison, never heard that before. What do they have in common exactly?
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Posted By: EatThatPhonebook
Date Posted: August 30 2010 at 10:55
IM. Haven't listened to the new album though.
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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: August 30 2010 at 12:47
Pekka wrote:
ppl wrote:
metallica became the new ''sex pistols'' only heavier |
An interesting comparison, never heard that before. What do they have in common exactly? |
Metallica, just like Slayer, were huge fans of punk, besides their love of NWOBM bands. And thrash metal is actually the combination of punk and heavy metal.
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Posted By: The Monodrone
Date Posted: August 30 2010 at 13:51
Iron Maiden.
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Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: August 30 2010 at 15:47
I've never been able to sit still long enough when listening to Maiden to really understand what is supposed to be so great about them. My latest ex-girlfriend loved them and Dream Theater. I could at least agree with half of her opinion.
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Posted By: Klogg
Date Posted: August 30 2010 at 18:30
None of them.
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: August 30 2010 at 18:33
Klogg wrote:
None of them.
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Posted By: JakoCba
Date Posted: August 30 2010 at 18:55
Posted By: Rushlover13
Date Posted: August 30 2010 at 19:26
Iron Maiden is awesome and one of the very few bands that made great progressive albums in the 1980s when prog was not at its best. Metallica is great, but they just dont hold the same type of power that Iron Maiden has. So. my choice is rather obvious....
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Posted By: tennyson
Date Posted: August 30 2010 at 20:32
Maiden by far! I like metallica fairly well, but would like them much more if Kirk Hammet were ever to lose that blasted wah pedal hes always hiding his blues leads behind. The Maiden guitarists have several big things going for them IMO... Dual/Triple leads, The good old Eminor scale, and just some good catchy grab your guts and pull you into a head bob grooves thanks to a still much over looked bassist. Also i really get into the iron Maiden lyrics much much more as a whole...
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Posted By: trackstoni
Date Posted: August 31 2010 at 03:38
Klogg wrote:
None of them.
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Agree , they've nothing to do with Progressive , Even if Saint Peter opens the Gates of Heaven , and tells me they are / Dreamtheater , Queensriche , Metallica & Iron Maiden are Taking Advantage from others productivities , and So far i like them all , but You just tell me , who listen to them now in presence of Legends & Pioneers !!? If You Really Do , Switch to other Sites of Heavy metal or Hard rock stuff , and enjoy yourselves /
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: September 01 2010 at 14:41
I have never been a huge fan of Metallica..Why? No need to be when Iron Maiden does what they do...Really tho, I give props to Metallica for giving some influence to metal and progmetal. Very early on in LA, San Fran they were pretty good with what they were doing....then in my opinion they sold out to pop rock, MTV with the Black Album...after that it was downhill. Lars ranting about music downloading and all that krapp was dumb IMHO.
Iron Maiden never left their music base, kept playing it hard with some amazing imagination/creativity...I mean Eddie IS the most famous musical mascot around.
All bands go thru some lull times, but the great ones bounce back and even get better....That's Maiden, when Bruce came back the fire was lit again......It has not stopped burning....IM is "Brighter Than A Thousand Suns"...right now!
Longevity and quality of longevity speaks volumes in my book......I personally feel Metallica is done. With The Final Frontier, seems like Iron Maiden is here for a very long time, like they have a second wind. Certainly this 2010 Tour made a strong statement by the group........'we are not finished'.
I for one am very pleased......I've been a Maiden listener since 1981, first saw them live in 1982.
Its tough to compare any bands to Iron Maiden.....its kinda like their own genre now.
Up the Irons!! (forever)
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Posted By: John 6
Date Posted: September 01 2010 at 19:49
Never got Maiden, and completely fail to understand why they are so popular. Metallica are far more impressive, although I am not a lover of their thrash period. Maiden, in my opinion produce the same old boring drivel, album after album. Metallica, however, are more in the classic rock mould, in the spirit of Sabbath. And the next kid I see wearing a Maiden t-shirt, thinking they are unique, and have a vast knowledge of rock music, but really know bugger all, I swear I'll do something I regret!!
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Posted By: Follix
Date Posted: September 02 2010 at 01:19
Metallica, only for that bass sound.
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Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: September 02 2010 at 07:34
Metallica
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Posted By: MFP
Date Posted: September 02 2010 at 08:46
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: September 02 2010 at 11:09
Maiden have been more consistent but Metallica at their best were far more interesting than most metal bands this side of Sabbath, so Metallica!
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Posted By: halabalushindigus
Date Posted: September 02 2010 at 12:58
Run To The Hills...Run for your Life
Maiden
I'll take hills over never neverland. I think Iron M is a much more talented group with massive stage hands as opposed to Metallica, who is run by the one-man show, a guy who refuses any type of performance instruction, and wants to do it the way HE wants to do it. Hetfield, IMO, he keeps the Band at an above amatuer level and nothing more
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: September 02 2010 at 13:09
John 6 wrote:
Never got Maiden, and completely fail to understand why they are so popular. Metallica are far more impressive, although I am not a lover of their thrash period. Maiden, in my opinion produce the same old boring drivel, album after album. Metallica, however, are more in the classic rock mould, in the spirit of Sabbath. And the next kid I see wearing a Maiden t-shirt, thinking they are unique, and have a vast knowledge of rock music, but really know bugger all, I swear I'll do something I regret!! |
I was trying to be nice.....Metallica songs all SOUND THE SAME!!!!! Really compare Metallica to Sabbath, "in the spirit of Sabbath"....I would never do that, it makes no sense. Metallica guitar riffs are the same throughout their collection...I guess that could be impressive to make that accomplishment. Other than "One" I don't understand or get the rest of what Metallica sing/write about...ohh wait they did make a song for that movie series Mission Impossible...impressive for sure.
As for the shirts.......I can't tell you the last time I saw anyone wearing a Metallica shirt.
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Posted By: Pekka
Date Posted: September 02 2010 at 14:57
Catcher10 wrote:
Metallica songs all SOUND THE SAME!!!!! ... Metallica guitar riffs are the same throughout their collection |
Seems you haven't heard very many of them.
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: September 03 2010 at 09:22
Iron Maiden - they never went as downhill as Metallica went with Reload and St Anger; even their Virtual XI (which i consider as their least inspired work) is better than those two albums. Maiden's commercial succes did not rely on a sell out album as The Black album was (although it is not a bad album at all).
And Maiden's last album is miles better IMO than Metallica's last.
Am I making any sense? I haven't finished my morning coffee.
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Posted By: halabalushindigus
Date Posted: September 03 2010 at 10:32
watching Metallica in Concert, I noticed several things that alarmed me;
Hetfield won't shut up vocally, spitting into the mike and his guitar [playing literally drowns out Hemmet
There are no vocal harmonies
Lars doesn't say a word and has no Drum solo, yet the Bass player has a solo, but at ten minutes into the set, I can't figure out for the life of me WHY?
There are no choreographed band foot movements ...there's not a lot of visual or sonic fun
Im thinking they could add harmonies, all three stand to gether and harmonize at some point, ditch the bass solo and most of all,,turn Hetfields guitar down and let's hear Kirk's guitar for like 20 seconds for once...not too much too ask....and finally do something weird or nice like play "Yellow Submarine" as a joke and get "friendly"
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: September 03 2010 at 15:15
halabalushindigus wrote:
watching Metallica in Concert, I noticed several things that alarmed me;
Hetfield won't shut up vocally, spitting into the mike and his guitar [playing literally drowns out Hemmet
There are no vocal harmonies
Lars doesn't say a word and has no Drum solo, yet the Bass player has a solo, but at ten minutes into the set, I can't figure out for the life of me WHY?
There are no choreographed band foot movements ...there's not a lot of visual or sonic fun
Im thinking they could add harmonies, all three stand to gether and harmonize at some point, ditch the bass solo and most of all,,turn Hetfields guitar down and let's hear Kirk's guitar for like 20 seconds for once...not too much too ask....and finally do something weird or nice like play "Yellow Submarine" as a joke and get "friendly" |
Are you kidding?? Hetfield give someone else in the band the chance for a spotlight...I seriously doubt that.
Again, I don't dislike Metallica from an influencial standpoint, artistically I think they fall way short though, sounds like on stage also they fall short.
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Posted By: Pekka
Date Posted: September 04 2010 at 03:36
It's interesting that pretty much everything you think is minus I find to be a plus.
halabalushindigus wrote:
watching Metallica in Concert, I noticed several things that alarmed me;
Hetfield won't shut up vocally, spitting into the mike and his guitar [playing literally drowns out Hemmet
Can't figure out what's the problem with the first one, he sings the lines he's written and the spitting is mostly the mic's problem. Hammett's main contribution to the band are the solos, and doubling Hetfield's rhythm parts. I hear the solos and the harmonies here and there, and it's pretty damn hard to tell which guitar is louder in the rhythm parts..
There are no vocal harmonies
They had more when Jason was in the band, because he could actually sing. There's still some, but yeah, they lost a great live performer in Jason. Now I prefer no vocal harmonies to messed up vocal harmonies.
Lars doesn't say a word and has no Drum solo, yet the Bass player has a solo, but at ten minutes into the set, I can't figure out for the life of me WHY?
Because Rob has the ability to perform at least a remotely interesting solo. The bass solo you're referring to is probably the intro to For Whom the Bell Tolls, it's not really a solo per se. But he did a proper solo when I saw them in 2007 and it was pretty good. I'm a big fan of Metallica, but I can admit that Lars is not in the form to do a solo. He's struggling enough with the actual songs. And he always talks to the audience at the end of the set, which I think is enough. I could well do without Kirk's solos in between songs, but they serve the purpose of filling the silence when the others change instruments. He did do a great little solo piece called Melbourne on the St. Anger tour, it was a composed little clean guitar thing, very pretty. Rob is clearly the most interesting soloist in the band.
There are no choreographed band foot movements ...there's not a lot of visual or sonic fun
Thank heavens for no choreography, I've always found the synchronized axe attack very silly looking. And Metallica has had some massive stage shows (the 1996 tour stage destruction for example), but nowadays they prefer to stick with the music, which is good.
Im thinking they could add harmonies, all three stand to gether and harmonize at some point, ditch the bass solo and most of all,,turn Hetfields guitar down and let's hear Kirk's guitar for like 20 seconds for once...not too much too ask....and finally do something weird or nice like play "Yellow Submarine" as a joke and get "friendly" |
To each his own. I love seeing both bands live, but listening to the Metallica shows afterwards is sometimes less enjoyable. They are sloppy, but their stage show is always killer, and you don't really listen to the mistakes in the moment.
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Posted By: ProgHiphop
Date Posted: September 04 2010 at 18:11
Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: September 04 2010 at 19:10
So, I have to reveal a fact that I´m not huge fan of neither Iron Maiden or Metallica. That´s a trial only...
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Posted By: Zargus
Date Posted: September 05 2010 at 04:39
I like both, I used to like Metallica more, but now days its Iron Maiden that gets the vote, looking forward listening to the new album soon!
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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: September 05 2010 at 05:03
Pekka wrote:
Catcher10 wrote:
Metallica songs all SOUND THE SAME!!!!! ... Metallica guitar riffs are the same throughout their collection |
Seems you haven't heard very many of them. |
Indeed, if anything, I would say Maiden's work can get rather similar-sounding. Maiden is winning quite comfortably, seems consistency always wins the day over brilliance, as much as I go the other way. Maiden at their best were a variation on a style essentially pioneered by Judas Priest. Metallica expanded the frontiers of thrash even when it was still a fledgling genre. Ride the Lightning is amazingly ambitious for a thrash metal album and so is MOP, they were taking risks at levels not many in the metal scene then were prepared to. But of course, metal celebrates 'true' warriors rather than innovators.
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Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: September 08 2010 at 05:44
I have to reveal a secret: I´m neither Iron Maiden or Metallica fan. I´ve liked Iron Maiden 25 years ago until Piece of Mind. I think Paul di Anno era was more raw and harder than Dickinson era. Their last release Final Frontier seems to be a return to roots.
On the other hand Metallica never wasn´t my cup of tea. I know them only from radio or from my friends´records. Thrash metal, good quality, but not interesting for me...
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: September 08 2010 at 08:27
Gandalff wrote:
I have to reveal a secret: I´m neither Iron Maiden or Metallica fan. I´ve liked Iron Maiden 25 years ago until Piece of Mind. I think Paul di Anno era was more raw and harder than Dickinson era. Their last release Final Frontier seems to be a return to roots.
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Final Frontier a return to roots?! What roots are those? It's the same sound they've had since Bruce and Adrian returned.
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Posted By: jsem
Date Posted: September 08 2010 at 13:50
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: September 08 2010 at 15:00
I'm not sure how much sense this makes......Maiden crawled out of the bowels of hell across the pond, they were fighting the punk movement at its height in the UK, kept on the straight and narrow and came out smelling like a rose, as the punk scene died. There isn't a radio station that would play their music for fear of getting license pulled.......since they were devil worshipers and all....That's innovation and a warrior.
If you watch any of the biography shows on Metallica, their early days were all about how much booze they could get into their bodies 24/7...A complete waste, and you could see the Hetfield godlike attitude just growing..within himself only..Yea they were good...but after a few albums they succumbed to the all mighty $$ and went the route of pop rock/metal and MTV, any talent stopped there...Now they live on their past success and there isn't anyone who wants to hear new music performed..only the old stuff...pre pop rock/metal.
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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: September 08 2010 at 21:43
Catcher10 wrote:
I'm not sure how much sense this makes......Maiden crawled out of the bowels of hell across the pond, they were fighting the punk movement at its height in the UK, kept on the straight and narrow and came out smelling like a rose, as the punk scene died. There isn't a radio station that would play their music for fear of getting license pulled.......since they were devil worshipers and all....That's innovation and a warrior.
If you watch any of the biography shows on Metallica, their early days were all about how much booze they could get into their bodies 24/7...A complete waste, and you could see the Hetfield godlike attitude just growing..within himself only..Yea they were good...but after a few albums they succumbed to the all mighty $$ and went the route of pop rock/metal and MTV, any talent stopped there...Now they live on their past success and there isn't anyone who wants to hear new music performed..only the old stuff...pre pop rock/metal. |
You are talking about attitude while my comment was about the music. Not surprised it doesn't make sense to you.
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Posted By: Leo Milani
Date Posted: September 09 2010 at 06:06
Man, I have to say... If you are more than 15 and still listen to these bands, there's something very wrong...
Marcio Okayama (myspace.com/maricookayama), brazilian fusion guitarist, said that in a work shop.
And I totally agree with him...
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Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: September 09 2010 at 12:38
Cristi wrote:
Gandalff wrote:
I have to reveal a secret: I´m neither Iron Maiden or Metallica fan. I´ve liked Iron Maiden 25 years ago until Piece of Mind. I think Paul di Anno era was more raw and harder than Dickinson era. Their last release Final Frontier seems to be a return to roots.
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Final Frontier a return to roots?! What roots are those? It's the same sound they've had since Bruce and Adrian returned.
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For example guitars sounds like on first two albums, after first listening at least.
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: September 09 2010 at 13:16
rogerthat wrote:
Catcher10 wrote:
I'm not sure how much sense this makes......Maiden crawled out of the bowels of hell across the pond, they were fighting the punk movement at its height in the UK, kept on the straight and narrow and came out smelling like a rose, as the punk scene died. There isn't a radio station that would play their music for fear of getting license pulled.......since they were devil worshipers and all....That's innovation and a warrior.
If you watch any of the biography shows on Metallica, their early days were all about how much booze they could get into their bodies 24/7...A complete waste, and you could see the Hetfield godlike attitude just growing..within himself only..Yea they were good...but after a few albums they succumbed to the all mighty $$ and went the route of pop rock/metal and MTV, any talent stopped there...Now they live on their past success and there isn't anyone who wants to hear new music performed..only the old stuff...pre pop rock/metal. |
You are talking about attitude while my comment was about the music. Not surprised it doesn't make sense to you. |
You are correct sir...it does not make sense to me......Metallica's music has been dead for many years, due to their attitude...That makes all the sense in the world to me.
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Posted By: Pekka
Date Posted: September 09 2010 at 13:29
Leo Milani wrote:
Man, I have to say... If you are more than 15 and still listen to these bands, there's something very wrong...
Marcio Okayama (myspace.com/maricookayama), brazilian fusion guitarist, said that in a work shop.
And I totally agree with him...
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I think it's safe to say that if you have these kinds of opinions, there's something very wrong. Or then you're just incredibly arrogant, which I think is... yes, quite wrong.
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Posted By: himtroy
Date Posted: September 09 2010 at 17:52
Preferably neither. And while the "if you're over 15..."comment was a bit much, I tend to slightly agree that the bands seem like middle/high school bands to me. So angsty and whiney.
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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: September 11 2010 at 23:50
Catcher10 wrote:
You are correct sir...it does not make sense to me......Metallica's music has been dead for many years, due to their attitude...That makes all the sense in the world to me.
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You are talking about the post-AJFA phase. Prior to that, Metallica tried to do something different with each new album; actually, along with Sabbath, Priest and maybe Megadeth, one of the few metal bands who actually thought that was a good thing. They tasted commercial success on levels Maiden never did and sold out, but so what? Maiden has been making the same album since Killers anyway and I couldn't care tuppence about their warrior attitude or whatever, musically, they are dinosaurs. They have a better live act than Metallica or Priest these days, they are a very successful rock enterprise now, I will say that for them but musically they are as stodgy as they come. As a prog rock fan, I certainly have a lot more respect for Robert Fripp rather than Angus Young and by the same token I respect Hetfield and Burton a lot more than Steve Harris. Lars...becomes hard not to begrudge respect to that d**k, knowing full well that he was one of the chief songwriters of Metallica and the band would have been, for better or worse, different without him.
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Posted By: halabalushindigus
Date Posted: September 15 2010 at 09:28
when Metallica arrived in San Diego 2007 we were excited, the crowd was excited, then out they came. I must give major KUDOS to Hetfield for this show because:
Het had alot of performance to perform, I realize now. Het or OK James was tender at the 1 hr. mark saying "how the fuch are YOU..SAN DIEGO? he doesn't really have the time to play "Yellow Submarine (Dah) and he spits because he is singing his brains out
His guitar is non-discreet(soundwise) because he is PLAYING HIS ASS OFF!! I apolodize for not knowing the bass solo was the intro to "For Whom.." and basically
Metalilica is a great great great great rock Band that brought a TON of excitement to the stage and gave us, The World, a frenzy of excitement when watching them play. They are today the greatest Metal Band Of all-Time, and they deserve MAJOR KUDOS beacause of James Hetfiels and his vision and Un-comprimizing attack that he gave his Fans. Hetfield made this band great
and you know ,I know The American People know That Metallica is The One RIGHTOUS vband, yeh
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Posted By: halabalushindigus
Date Posted: September 15 2010 at 09:47
Wherever I May Roam is without question the greatest song they ever did/ riff.
Comeon' don't sit there and deny it...
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Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: January 15 2011 at 07:19
Iron Maiden: That´s strange but I prefer rather DiAnno´s era which is less commercial and more raw than their later work.
Metallica: The same case, early work is quite good, but their Black album is almost pure commerce, I can´t really stand their melodic ballads, billion times played in various hit radios.
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Posted By: ThinLizzy
Date Posted: January 15 2011 at 07:31
Iron Maiden > Any band of the 80s / 90s / 00s.
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Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: January 15 2011 at 09:28
DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:
The one who didn't go down the toilet after 4 albums. |
So, neither?
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Posted By: Hanyou
Date Posted: January 15 2011 at 21:12
I admit I've had limited experience with Metallica. I've heard the albums Ride the Lightning and Master of Puppets, and some songs were okay, but they didn't even approach Maiden's best.
Yeah, I much prefer Maiden. Seventh Son of a Seventh Son, Piece of Mind, Iron Maiden, Brave New World, Dance of Death...these albums blow most metal albums out of the water. They're unbelievable. And if the albums I listened to were really Metallica's best, then I think it's safe to say they don't stack up to Maiden in my book.
It's weird, though, because I'm a Dream Theater fan and I know Metallica was a strong influence on them--I can definitely hear their influence more than Maiden's. Still, Metallica does nothing for me.
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Posted By: trackstoni
Date Posted: January 16 2011 at 03:39
Maiden was & still Great , but Metallica was only Great 88 - 92 !
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Posted By: clarkpegasus4001
Date Posted: January 18 2011 at 13:44
Maiden (for their early work) sorry but I can't stand Metallica even if they do cover Budgie material! actually so did Maiden! Tony C.
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Posted By: overmatik
Date Posted: January 31 2011 at 11:41
Metallica did some amazing stuff in their early stage, but after the Black Album they completely lost touch with themselves, their music and their fans. The Maiden have recorded only good albums throughout their career, not to mention the fact that they are as loved by their fans now as they were 20 years ago. Always honest, always true.
I understand that the Maiden isn't that respected in the US, but that doesn't mean anything in the long run.
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Posted By: MFP
Date Posted: February 06 2011 at 09:08
Posted By: Guzzman
Date Posted: February 06 2011 at 09:21
Maiden. Wouldn't wanna be forced to listen to the complete Metallica catalogue.
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Posted By: Hanyou
Date Posted: February 06 2011 at 11:50
overmatik wrote:
Metallica did some amazing stuff in their early stage, but after the Black Album they completely lost touch with themselves, their music and their fans. The Maiden have recorded only good albums throughout their career, not to mention the fact that they are as loved by their fans now as they were 20 years ago. Always honest, always true.
I understand that the Maiden isn't that respected in the US, but that doesn't mean anything in the long run.
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Pretty much the entire Maiden catalog, barring NPFTD, has incredible material.
That's a pretty good track record, not to mention the fact that you can point to many songs throughout their career--from Phantom of the Opera to Hallowed be thy Name to Seventh Son of a Seventh Son to The Clansman to Paschendale--that really hits hard.
Nothing I've heard from Metallica has topped the song Master of Puppets.
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: December 04 2015 at 08:37
Cristi wrote:
Iron Maiden - they never went as downhill as Metallica went with Reload and St Anger; even their Virtual XI (which i consider as their least inspired work) is better than those two albums. Maiden's commercial success did not rely on a sell out album as The Black album was (although it is not a bad album at all).
And Maiden's last album is miles better IMO than Metallica's last.
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I wrote this 5 years ago () - I'm not making much sense These days I enjoy Load & Reload much more and later day Iron Maiden less. The Final Frontier bored me terribly last time I tried listening to it and there are 4 songs on thier newest album Book of Souls that bored me, too.
I still like Maiden more. 80s Metallica is still great!
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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: December 04 2015 at 08:45
Maiden. Regarding Hetfield and the boys ; boy do I love Death Magnetic. I'm kinda over their initial phase (Kill 'em All - And Justice) then went off them from the Black Album onwards. Then DM comes along and I don't even return to Puppets anymore...... Maiden - The X Factor - just BRILLIANT.........
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: December 04 2015 at 08:49
Tom Ozric wrote:
Maiden. But boy do I love Death Magnetic. I'm kinda over their initial phase (Kill 'em All - And Justice) then went off them from the Black Album onwards. Then DM comes along and I don't even return to Puppets anymore...... Maiden - The X Factor - just BRILLIANT......... |
Death Magnetic did not do much for me, the songs drag quite a bit, they don't trim the fat, same mistake they made on St Anger. It's not that easy to make a long song work if they don't have the skill and inspiration, and these days, sadly, they don't.
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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: December 04 2015 at 08:56
^ I thought they did a great job with the songs - and Trujillo is awesome.
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: December 04 2015 at 08:58
Tom Ozric wrote:
^ I thought they did a great job with the songs - and Trujillo is awesome. |
Trujillo is a very good bassist, if only they would let him participate in the writing process more; unfortunately, Lars cannot drum to save his life... And Kirk tortures that wah wah...
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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: December 04 2015 at 09:06
Lars isn't too bad, can be sloppy at times. I'm really impressed with Tomas Haake and Brann Dailor as drummers right now. Oh - I thought Trujillo contributes his 25 % to the process ??
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Posted By: addictedtoprog
Date Posted: December 04 2015 at 09:14
Metallica - only upto And Justice... Maiden - awesome for most part. UP THE IRONS!!!
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Posted By: addictedtoprog
Date Posted: December 04 2015 at 09:16
Tom Ozric wrote:
I'm really impressed with Tomas Haake and Brann Dailor as drummers right now. | Pick any one.,
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: December 04 2015 at 09:23
Tom Ozric wrote:
Lars isn't too bad, can be sloppy at times. I'm really impressed with Tomas Haake and Brann Dailor as drummers right now. Oh - I thought Trujillo contributes his 25 % to the process ?? |
maybe he contributes his 25%, but I said more come to think of it, what can he do when Lars is so uninspired these days.
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Posted By: GKR
Date Posted: December 04 2015 at 15:25
Cant stand Metallica. Iron Maiden without excitate.
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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: December 04 2015 at 15:29
Not a fan of either band....but if I had to listen to one I would go with Maiden.
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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: December 04 2015 at 15:49
The Judas Kiss =
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Posted By: Metalmarsh89
Date Posted: December 04 2015 at 16:15
Iron Maiden. So many albums, and such a high density of quality material.
Metallica's not bad, but Iron Maiden is one of my favoritess.
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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: December 04 2015 at 16:22
Metallica. All hail Thrash. I just don't care for Iron Maiden's style at all. Not enough balls for my taste (which never comes out right).
By the way, I miss Gandalff.
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Posted By: TheLionOfPrague
Date Posted: December 05 2015 at 23:08
Iron Maiden.
For me they have a case for being the most consistent band in rock. And their best easily trumps Metallica's best if you ask me.
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