The Pretty Things not on PA?
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Topic: The Pretty Things not on PA?
Posted By: himtroy
Subject: The Pretty Things not on PA?
Date Posted: August 16 2010 at 14:14
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I went to search for S.F. Sorry by the Pretty Things just assuming they were on PA. Apparently they aren't. I don't see how this makes sense, they're easily proto prog. They released one of the earliest rock opera's of all time, and worked with concept albums. They always sounded like a more progressive version of the Beatles to me, how are they not here? ------------- Which of you to gain me, tell, will risk uncertain pains of hell? I will not forgive you if you will not take the chance. |
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: August 16 2010 at 14:21
1) maybe they weren't suggested yet or 2) maybe they were rejected |
Posted By: himtroy
Date Posted: August 16 2010 at 14:28
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Well they should be suggested, what is done to achieve such a thing? And if they we're rejected that's ridiculous. They're a much greater example of proto-prog/prog related than many of the "classic rock" bands that are included in proto prog/prog related. Their album S.F. Sorrow being the main arguing point. ------------- Which of you to gain me, tell, will risk uncertain pains of hell? I will not forgive you if you will not take the chance. |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: August 16 2010 at 14:48
That would be the Suggest New Bands section. |
himtroy wrote:Posted By: himtroy
Date Posted: August 16 2010 at 14:52
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Well then this topic was pretty worthless huh? My bad. ------------- Which of you to gain me, tell, will risk uncertain pains of hell? I will not forgive you if you will not take the chance. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: August 16 2010 at 14:54
I'm sure that some kind passing Admin can move it to Suggest New Bands.  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: himtroy
Date Posted: August 16 2010 at 15:07
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That would be appreciated. Thanks ------------- Which of you to gain me, tell, will risk uncertain pains of hell? I will not forgive you if you will not take the chance. |
Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: August 16 2010 at 15:44
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While they have been discussed, they've never been formally proposed or rejected for Proto-prog as far as I can remember. Given the significance of PF sorrow, which is often cited as the first concept album, they would seem like a good addition to me (personal view, I think I'm allowed one!).
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Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: August 16 2010 at 15:51
| I don't know why everyone goes on exclusively about SF Sorrow. 1970's Parachute is arguably even stronger and also progressive. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: August 16 2010 at 18:20
Great stuff. |
Posted By: himtroy
Date Posted: August 16 2010 at 22:43
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Yeah, I agree that Parachute is a better album, but I was hoping the earliness of SF Sorrow would help get people behind this. It seems to me that they would fit in quite well. ------------- Which of you to gain me, tell, will risk uncertain pains of hell? I will not forgive you if you will not take the chance. |
Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: August 16 2010 at 22:52
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I support them fully for proto-prog. They were a huge part of the proto-prog movement IMO. ------------- http://blindpoetrecords.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow">  
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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: August 17 2010 at 02:40
| So does anyone want to volunteer to do the work to add them? If so, I'll ask the Admin team for a decision on their admittance. |
Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: August 17 2010 at 08:45
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Can member, or mere Collaborator, or Prog reviewer do it by himself, or does he has to cooperate with Special Collaborator in order to propose / succeed with Proto-Prog band Bob ? ------------- There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless," -Andyman1125 on Lulu  Even my |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: August 17 2010 at 12:17
------------- What? |
Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: August 17 2010 at 14:17
| I'll be happy to add if they are approved and someone offers to do the bio/photo/discography. |
Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: August 17 2010 at 14:53
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I can give them a listening (Parachute album), but let's give our FORUM SENION MEMBERS opportunity to earn their credit as well. Who of you guys wants to try doing biography, get photo somewhere through google.images.com and then seek info and add biography once they'll be added ? By the way, what subgenre ? ------------- There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless," -Andyman1125 on Lulu Even my |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: August 17 2010 at 14:54
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Do pay attention double-O Marty ------------- What? |
Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: August 17 2010 at 15:03
Thats 006.5 % Marty we are talking Prog Related but don't do any work until someone ( Sc) sends the application to Admin for approval. I do not know enough about these guys so will leave it up to another SC.
EDIT: PROTO PROG ------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: August 17 2010 at 16:28
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I myself found them today, so I'm not the one suitable to handle their addition, but if they'll be found worthy of some of our Prog (or almost Prog - PROTO/RELATED) categories, I wanted to give chance to members here to help. Outsource our work a little bit, give them a hint what's our daily bread (most of us does few biographies on weekly basis) etc. But what do you mean Dean by double O and what do you Chris mean by 006.5% ? Indeed, SC has to send application, as in case with Stewart Copeland and Ray Manzarek is currently going on. Who will it be, that's not so sure as of now. ------------- There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless," -Andyman1125 on Lulu Even my |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: August 17 2010 at 16:40
I was making a joke while making a point. Bob has already volunteered to be the SC proposing Pretty Things for Proto-Prog.
all Admins are SCs - in case you missed that too
 .SO, "Do pay attention Marty!"  ------------- What? |
Posted By: himtroy
Date Posted: August 18 2010 at 01:00
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Yeah unfortunately I don't think I can contribute much. I have two of their albums, but don't really know much about the band or anything. I just knew their sound and thought it belonged here. ------------- Which of you to gain me, tell, will risk uncertain pains of hell? I will not forgive you if you will not take the chance. |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: August 18 2010 at 01:53
 Agree -- just "discovered" the Prettys myself, a few months ago. I now have Emotions ('67) and Parachute ('70) -- great albums. (I want "Sorrow," but the original version is not on Itunes.)
With concepts, psychedelia, strings, etc, a shoe-in for "proto" or "related," IMO.
I especially recommend Parachute to fans of classic rock (such as The Kinks) -- prog or otherwise.
 I missed them "back in the day" -- they were not at all well known this side of the pond. Pity. ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: August 18 2010 at 05:05
So that's it :-D I saw most of Bond movies when I was young, so with Czech dubbing (as our foolish TV's dub everything), so I know this line as "Dávej pozor agente 007". + I always confused characters 0 & O, as they look almost the same, so I thought that you said double OO. Smile used in this case would probably be (obvious) O_o Too overcombined Dean, like plot of very complex movie. OK, 5 stars equals 5 stars, they have the same adding privileges, but I forgot that admins add bands too, as it's not happening so often (except you, John Easy Money etc). I listened both mentioned albums, I thought and I'm unsure. Proto ? ------------- There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless," -Andyman1125 on Lulu Even my |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: August 18 2010 at 05:21
------------- What? |
Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: August 18 2010 at 05:43
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Not trying to put major events in motion, just adding my opinion in the bunch of those that are already here.
------------- There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless," -Andyman1125 on Lulu Even my |
Posted By: himtroy
Date Posted: August 19 2010 at 13:24
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How is this going? Do we think they'll end up on here? ------------- Which of you to gain me, tell, will risk uncertain pains of hell? I will not forgive you if you will not take the chance. |
Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: August 19 2010 at 13:32
| Currenly under consideration for proto prog, more news soon. |
Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: August 19 2010 at 13:46
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I heard the Pretty Things were good, but I didn't do my research and I ended up getting Savage Eye, since it was the only one the record store had. It's terrible. I want to check out S. F. Sorrow or Parachute, but I'm reluctant after my bad experience with Savage Eye.
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: August 19 2010 at 14:03
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^ Their first two albums are run-of-the-mill 1960s british R&B Beat combo stuff (two early singles were covered by Bowie on Pin-ups). The next 'Emotions' saw them go Psyche-pop like many of those 1960s R&B bands, SF Sorrow and Parachute are a culmination of that move towards psyche - personally I think SF Sorrow is over-acclaimed, it's okay, but not great. Anything after Parachutes is best avoided. ------------- What? |
Posted By: KCarao
Date Posted: August 27 2010 at 12:52
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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: August 27 2010 at 16:24
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SF Sorrow is a concept-album released in 1968. What is surprising is that it is not proto-prog but really prog !
------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: November 14 2011 at 09:25
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I happened to notice that their song Private Sorrow-Balloon Burning was on the Supernatural Fairy Tales compilation so for the heck of it I checked PA to see what category they were in and saw that they aren't included. Additional research found this thread from a year + ago. Just curious if anything further was decided regarding this band and whether proto-prog or psychedelic prog was an appropriate category for them. ------------- 
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: November 14 2011 at 11:30
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I'll look into it. ------------- What? |
Posted By: Windhawk
Date Posted: February 19 2012 at 06:31
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Bumping this one ever so slightly, as Fruits de Mer now have a tribute album out - SF Sorrow given a run through by 13 different contemporary bands, of which a few of the contributors are in the PA database.
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: February 19 2012 at 06:37
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I've re-bumped the thread in the AZ - we're waiting on one vote, but indications are they will get approved for PP. ------------- What? |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: February 19 2012 at 06:41
MMmmhh yes - that would indeed be great. Wonderful band that was every bit as charming as those boys from Liverpool. I loooooove Parachute
------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Windhawk
Date Posted: February 19 2012 at 06:47
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Now, if they get approved, whose the unlucky b*****d that gets to do the donkey work on that addition? A massive task ahead for someone by the looks of it.
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: February 19 2012 at 06:48
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Bob has already volunteered to do the add as long as someone prepares the Biography and Discography. ------------- What? |
Posted By: Windhawk
Date Posted: February 19 2012 at 06:51
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Hehe, it was the bio and disco I thought of as the massive task. The addition into the database itself is a 2 minute task at worst with a prepared bio at hand ;-)
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: February 19 2012 at 07:25
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^ Does Bob look daft to you? ------------- What? |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: February 19 2012 at 07:47
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okay - Pretty Things now approved for addition to Proto Prog.
Whoever writes the Bio can leave it here. Since anyone can add an album we'll leave that to whoever wants to do it, either in one go or piecemeal, however, I suggest we have all the details for SF Sorrow and Parachutes before the addition as they are the ones most people will want to review. ------------- What? |